O.T. An interesting demonstration on gun safety?
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Re: O.T. An interesting demonstration on gun safety?
Yep my 1943 GI issue 45 APC is still the weapon to have I will put it up
against any of those sissy guns. SpecOppc is now switching back to the 45
APC round and when it hits something it stays down. When I lived in
Louisiana we went to a local silhouette range and they eventually made me
stop, the wad cutters were hot loaded and it raises hell on 1/4 " plate.
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HarryS My 2¢
"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:423FB75B.45AC0153@***.net...
| There really isn't much recoil on 40 caliber semi automatic, most
| of it blows back to eject and reload. It's designed like the 9 mm not to
| go through a flak jacket, like it's not a Real pistol like my 45:
| http://www.----------.com/browning.jpg or my 44 Magnum:
| http://www.----------.com/44_22.jpg
| "I have been to there has been a rule about no ammo allowed in the
| same room as the firearms." What plant are you on? All weapons are
| loaded. Period!
| God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
| mailto:--------------------
|
| Rusted wrote:
| >
| > There are too many fishy things wrong with that video. Getting shot
and
| > continuing? No aid check you out? Wrong trajectory (good point there),
no
| > recoil?? Also the timing of the shot seemed to flow very well with his
| > presentation. Also Bill if you pull a slide of a Glock back far enough
to
| > lock it open it will eject the chambered round.
| > Also any of the firearm training classes that I have been to there has
been
| > a rule about no ammo allowed in the same room as the firearms. Nothing
that
| > I know of requires that to be a rule, but it makes good sense.
Accidents do
| > happen all of the time with about every items we own, I just don't think
| > that we witnessed an accident here.
against any of those sissy guns. SpecOppc is now switching back to the 45
APC round and when it hits something it stays down. When I lived in
Louisiana we went to a local silhouette range and they eventually made me
stop, the wad cutters were hot loaded and it raises hell on 1/4 " plate.
--
HarryS My 2¢
"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:423FB75B.45AC0153@***.net...
| There really isn't much recoil on 40 caliber semi automatic, most
| of it blows back to eject and reload. It's designed like the 9 mm not to
| go through a flak jacket, like it's not a Real pistol like my 45:
| http://www.----------.com/browning.jpg or my 44 Magnum:
| http://www.----------.com/44_22.jpg
| "I have been to there has been a rule about no ammo allowed in the
| same room as the firearms." What plant are you on? All weapons are
| loaded. Period!
| God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
| mailto:--------------------
|
| Rusted wrote:
| >
| > There are too many fishy things wrong with that video. Getting shot
and
| > continuing? No aid check you out? Wrong trajectory (good point there),
no
| > recoil?? Also the timing of the shot seemed to flow very well with his
| > presentation. Also Bill if you pull a slide of a Glock back far enough
to
| > lock it open it will eject the chambered round.
| > Also any of the firearm training classes that I have been to there has
been
| > a rule about no ammo allowed in the same room as the firearms. Nothing
that
| > I know of requires that to be a rule, but it makes good sense.
Accidents do
| > happen all of the time with about every items we own, I just don't think
| > that we witnessed an accident here.
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Re: O.T. An interesting demonstration on gun safety?
Yep my 1943 GI issue 45 APC is still the weapon to have I will put it up
against any of those sissy guns. SpecOppc is now switching back to the 45
APC round and when it hits something it stays down. When I lived in
Louisiana we went to a local silhouette range and they eventually made me
stop, the wad cutters were hot loaded and it raises hell on 1/4 " plate.
--
HarryS My 2¢
"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:423FB75B.45AC0153@***.net...
| There really isn't much recoil on 40 caliber semi automatic, most
| of it blows back to eject and reload. It's designed like the 9 mm not to
| go through a flak jacket, like it's not a Real pistol like my 45:
| http://www.----------.com/browning.jpg or my 44 Magnum:
| http://www.----------.com/44_22.jpg
| "I have been to there has been a rule about no ammo allowed in the
| same room as the firearms." What plant are you on? All weapons are
| loaded. Period!
| God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
| mailto:--------------------
|
| Rusted wrote:
| >
| > There are too many fishy things wrong with that video. Getting shot
and
| > continuing? No aid check you out? Wrong trajectory (good point there),
no
| > recoil?? Also the timing of the shot seemed to flow very well with his
| > presentation. Also Bill if you pull a slide of a Glock back far enough
to
| > lock it open it will eject the chambered round.
| > Also any of the firearm training classes that I have been to there has
been
| > a rule about no ammo allowed in the same room as the firearms. Nothing
that
| > I know of requires that to be a rule, but it makes good sense.
Accidents do
| > happen all of the time with about every items we own, I just don't think
| > that we witnessed an accident here.
against any of those sissy guns. SpecOppc is now switching back to the 45
APC round and when it hits something it stays down. When I lived in
Louisiana we went to a local silhouette range and they eventually made me
stop, the wad cutters were hot loaded and it raises hell on 1/4 " plate.
--
HarryS My 2¢
"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:423FB75B.45AC0153@***.net...
| There really isn't much recoil on 40 caliber semi automatic, most
| of it blows back to eject and reload. It's designed like the 9 mm not to
| go through a flak jacket, like it's not a Real pistol like my 45:
| http://www.----------.com/browning.jpg or my 44 Magnum:
| http://www.----------.com/44_22.jpg
| "I have been to there has been a rule about no ammo allowed in the
| same room as the firearms." What plant are you on? All weapons are
| loaded. Period!
| God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
| mailto:--------------------
|
| Rusted wrote:
| >
| > There are too many fishy things wrong with that video. Getting shot
and
| > continuing? No aid check you out? Wrong trajectory (good point there),
no
| > recoil?? Also the timing of the shot seemed to flow very well with his
| > presentation. Also Bill if you pull a slide of a Glock back far enough
to
| > lock it open it will eject the chambered round.
| > Also any of the firearm training classes that I have been to there has
been
| > a rule about no ammo allowed in the same room as the firearms. Nothing
that
| > I know of requires that to be a rule, but it makes good sense.
Accidents do
| > happen all of the time with about every items we own, I just don't think
| > that we witnessed an accident here.
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Re: O.T. An interesting demonstration on gun safety?
Yep my 1943 GI issue 45 APC is still the weapon to have I will put it up
against any of those sissy guns. SpecOppc is now switching back to the 45
APC round and when it hits something it stays down. When I lived in
Louisiana we went to a local silhouette range and they eventually made me
stop, the wad cutters were hot loaded and it raises hell on 1/4 " plate.
--
HarryS My 2¢
"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:423FB75B.45AC0153@***.net...
| There really isn't much recoil on 40 caliber semi automatic, most
| of it blows back to eject and reload. It's designed like the 9 mm not to
| go through a flak jacket, like it's not a Real pistol like my 45:
| http://www.----------.com/browning.jpg or my 44 Magnum:
| http://www.----------.com/44_22.jpg
| "I have been to there has been a rule about no ammo allowed in the
| same room as the firearms." What plant are you on? All weapons are
| loaded. Period!
| God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
| mailto:--------------------
|
| Rusted wrote:
| >
| > There are too many fishy things wrong with that video. Getting shot
and
| > continuing? No aid check you out? Wrong trajectory (good point there),
no
| > recoil?? Also the timing of the shot seemed to flow very well with his
| > presentation. Also Bill if you pull a slide of a Glock back far enough
to
| > lock it open it will eject the chambered round.
| > Also any of the firearm training classes that I have been to there has
been
| > a rule about no ammo allowed in the same room as the firearms. Nothing
that
| > I know of requires that to be a rule, but it makes good sense.
Accidents do
| > happen all of the time with about every items we own, I just don't think
| > that we witnessed an accident here.
against any of those sissy guns. SpecOppc is now switching back to the 45
APC round and when it hits something it stays down. When I lived in
Louisiana we went to a local silhouette range and they eventually made me
stop, the wad cutters were hot loaded and it raises hell on 1/4 " plate.
--
HarryS My 2¢
"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:423FB75B.45AC0153@***.net...
| There really isn't much recoil on 40 caliber semi automatic, most
| of it blows back to eject and reload. It's designed like the 9 mm not to
| go through a flak jacket, like it's not a Real pistol like my 45:
| http://www.----------.com/browning.jpg or my 44 Magnum:
| http://www.----------.com/44_22.jpg
| "I have been to there has been a rule about no ammo allowed in the
| same room as the firearms." What plant are you on? All weapons are
| loaded. Period!
| God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
| mailto:--------------------
|
| Rusted wrote:
| >
| > There are too many fishy things wrong with that video. Getting shot
and
| > continuing? No aid check you out? Wrong trajectory (good point there),
no
| > recoil?? Also the timing of the shot seemed to flow very well with his
| > presentation. Also Bill if you pull a slide of a Glock back far enough
to
| > lock it open it will eject the chambered round.
| > Also any of the firearm training classes that I have been to there has
been
| > a rule about no ammo allowed in the same room as the firearms. Nothing
that
| > I know of requires that to be a rule, but it makes good sense.
Accidents do
| > happen all of the time with about every items we own, I just don't think
| > that we witnessed an accident here.
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Re: O.T. An interesting demonstration on gun safety?
Follow the news link it happened.
http://www.local6.com/news/4299670/detail.html
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HarryS My 2¢
"Rusted" <noEmail@please.com> wrote in message
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| He is a big guy, a 40 doesn't have a lot of recoil, but it should have
| some.... Can you see any recoil? even a little?? You don't think the
guy
| would put a blank in there to give the kids something to think about? Or
| what a good stage for an anti-gun activist. After all after he was shot
| he did continue with his presentation, seems like it would be a good time
to
| sit down and lick your wounds. Video seems fishy to me.
|
|
| "FrankW" <fworm@mxznorpak.ca> wrote in message
| news:24idndN32ZaqeqPfRVn-tg@magma.ca...
| > More scary than funny
| >
| >
http://mmslb.eonstreams.com/b/ccri/t...u/deaclass.wmv
| >
|
|
|
http://www.local6.com/news/4299670/detail.html
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HarryS My 2¢
"Rusted" <noEmail@please.com> wrote in message
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| He is a big guy, a 40 doesn't have a lot of recoil, but it should have
| some.... Can you see any recoil? even a little?? You don't think the
guy
| would put a blank in there to give the kids something to think about? Or
| what a good stage for an anti-gun activist. After all after he was shot
| he did continue with his presentation, seems like it would be a good time
to
| sit down and lick your wounds. Video seems fishy to me.
|
|
| "FrankW" <fworm@mxznorpak.ca> wrote in message
| news:24idndN32ZaqeqPfRVn-tg@magma.ca...
| > More scary than funny
| >
| >
http://mmslb.eonstreams.com/b/ccri/t...u/deaclass.wmv
| >
|
|
|
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Re: O.T. An interesting demonstration on gun safety?
Follow the news link it happened.
http://www.local6.com/news/4299670/detail.html
--
HarryS My 2¢
"Rusted" <noEmail@please.com> wrote in message
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| He is a big guy, a 40 doesn't have a lot of recoil, but it should have
| some.... Can you see any recoil? even a little?? You don't think the
guy
| would put a blank in there to give the kids something to think about? Or
| what a good stage for an anti-gun activist. After all after he was shot
| he did continue with his presentation, seems like it would be a good time
to
| sit down and lick your wounds. Video seems fishy to me.
|
|
| "FrankW" <fworm@mxznorpak.ca> wrote in message
| news:24idndN32ZaqeqPfRVn-tg@magma.ca...
| > More scary than funny
| >
| >
http://mmslb.eonstreams.com/b/ccri/t...u/deaclass.wmv
| >
|
|
|
http://www.local6.com/news/4299670/detail.html
--
HarryS My 2¢
"Rusted" <noEmail@please.com> wrote in message
news:QeJ%d.1548$2K.495@fe50.usenetserver.com...
| He is a big guy, a 40 doesn't have a lot of recoil, but it should have
| some.... Can you see any recoil? even a little?? You don't think the
guy
| would put a blank in there to give the kids something to think about? Or
| what a good stage for an anti-gun activist. After all after he was shot
| he did continue with his presentation, seems like it would be a good time
to
| sit down and lick your wounds. Video seems fishy to me.
|
|
| "FrankW" <fworm@mxznorpak.ca> wrote in message
| news:24idndN32ZaqeqPfRVn-tg@magma.ca...
| > More scary than funny
| >
| >
http://mmslb.eonstreams.com/b/ccri/t...u/deaclass.wmv
| >
|
|
|
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Re: O.T. An interesting demonstration on gun safety?
Follow the news link it happened.
http://www.local6.com/news/4299670/detail.html
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HarryS My 2¢
"Rusted" <noEmail@please.com> wrote in message
news:QeJ%d.1548$2K.495@fe50.usenetserver.com...
| He is a big guy, a 40 doesn't have a lot of recoil, but it should have
| some.... Can you see any recoil? even a little?? You don't think the
guy
| would put a blank in there to give the kids something to think about? Or
| what a good stage for an anti-gun activist. After all after he was shot
| he did continue with his presentation, seems like it would be a good time
to
| sit down and lick your wounds. Video seems fishy to me.
|
|
| "FrankW" <fworm@mxznorpak.ca> wrote in message
| news:24idndN32ZaqeqPfRVn-tg@magma.ca...
| > More scary than funny
| >
| >
http://mmslb.eonstreams.com/b/ccri/t...u/deaclass.wmv
| >
|
|
|
http://www.local6.com/news/4299670/detail.html
--
HarryS My 2¢
"Rusted" <noEmail@please.com> wrote in message
news:QeJ%d.1548$2K.495@fe50.usenetserver.com...
| He is a big guy, a 40 doesn't have a lot of recoil, but it should have
| some.... Can you see any recoil? even a little?? You don't think the
guy
| would put a blank in there to give the kids something to think about? Or
| what a good stage for an anti-gun activist. After all after he was shot
| he did continue with his presentation, seems like it would be a good time
to
| sit down and lick your wounds. Video seems fishy to me.
|
|
| "FrankW" <fworm@mxznorpak.ca> wrote in message
| news:24idndN32ZaqeqPfRVn-tg@magma.ca...
| > More scary than funny
| >
| >
http://mmslb.eonstreams.com/b/ccri/t...u/deaclass.wmv
| >
|
|
|
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Re: O.T. An interesting demonstration on gun safety?
Follow the link it happened.
http://www.local6.com/news/4299670/detail.html
--
HarryS My 2¢
"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:u42dncbc58WQs93fRVn-1Q@comcast.com...
| The sound and the picture on that video are offset, the sound is slightly
| before the picture...First you hear the shot, then you see the recoil. I
| don't think he shot himself, but I can see the recoil...it happens right
| when the camera zooms after you hear it. I think the first thing he
thought
| of was "F%$#!" and perhaps part of the floor hit him in the leg. The
second
| thing he probably thought of was applying for a new job.
|
| "Rusted" <noEmail@please.com> wrote in message
| news:QeJ%d.1548$2K.495@fe50.usenetserver.com...
| > He is a big guy, a 40 doesn't have a lot of recoil, but it should have
| > some.... Can you see any recoil? even a little?? You don't think the
| > guy would put a blank in there to give the kids something to think
about?
| > Or what a good stage for an anti-gun activist. After all after he was
| > shot he did continue with his presentation, seems like it would be a
good
| > time to sit down and lick your wounds. Video seems fishy to me.
| >
| >
| > "FrankW" <fworm@mxznorpak.ca> wrote in message
| > news:24idndN32ZaqeqPfRVn-tg@magma.ca...
| >> More scary than funny
| >>
| >>
http://mmslb.eonstreams.com/b/ccri/t...u/deaclass.wmv
| >>
| >
| >
| >
|
|
http://www.local6.com/news/4299670/detail.html
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HarryS My 2¢
"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:u42dncbc58WQs93fRVn-1Q@comcast.com...
| The sound and the picture on that video are offset, the sound is slightly
| before the picture...First you hear the shot, then you see the recoil. I
| don't think he shot himself, but I can see the recoil...it happens right
| when the camera zooms after you hear it. I think the first thing he
thought
| of was "F%$#!" and perhaps part of the floor hit him in the leg. The
second
| thing he probably thought of was applying for a new job.
|
| "Rusted" <noEmail@please.com> wrote in message
| news:QeJ%d.1548$2K.495@fe50.usenetserver.com...
| > He is a big guy, a 40 doesn't have a lot of recoil, but it should have
| > some.... Can you see any recoil? even a little?? You don't think the
| > guy would put a blank in there to give the kids something to think
about?
| > Or what a good stage for an anti-gun activist. After all after he was
| > shot he did continue with his presentation, seems like it would be a
good
| > time to sit down and lick your wounds. Video seems fishy to me.
| >
| >
| > "FrankW" <fworm@mxznorpak.ca> wrote in message
| > news:24idndN32ZaqeqPfRVn-tg@magma.ca...
| >> More scary than funny
| >>
| >>
http://mmslb.eonstreams.com/b/ccri/t...u/deaclass.wmv
| >>
| >
| >
| >
|
|
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Re: O.T. An interesting demonstration on gun safety?
Follow the link it happened.
http://www.local6.com/news/4299670/detail.html
--
HarryS My 2¢
"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:u42dncbc58WQs93fRVn-1Q@comcast.com...
| The sound and the picture on that video are offset, the sound is slightly
| before the picture...First you hear the shot, then you see the recoil. I
| don't think he shot himself, but I can see the recoil...it happens right
| when the camera zooms after you hear it. I think the first thing he
thought
| of was "F%$#!" and perhaps part of the floor hit him in the leg. The
second
| thing he probably thought of was applying for a new job.
|
| "Rusted" <noEmail@please.com> wrote in message
| news:QeJ%d.1548$2K.495@fe50.usenetserver.com...
| > He is a big guy, a 40 doesn't have a lot of recoil, but it should have
| > some.... Can you see any recoil? even a little?? You don't think the
| > guy would put a blank in there to give the kids something to think
about?
| > Or what a good stage for an anti-gun activist. After all after he was
| > shot he did continue with his presentation, seems like it would be a
good
| > time to sit down and lick your wounds. Video seems fishy to me.
| >
| >
| > "FrankW" <fworm@mxznorpak.ca> wrote in message
| > news:24idndN32ZaqeqPfRVn-tg@magma.ca...
| >> More scary than funny
| >>
| >>
http://mmslb.eonstreams.com/b/ccri/t...u/deaclass.wmv
| >>
| >
| >
| >
|
|
http://www.local6.com/news/4299670/detail.html
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HarryS My 2¢
"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:u42dncbc58WQs93fRVn-1Q@comcast.com...
| The sound and the picture on that video are offset, the sound is slightly
| before the picture...First you hear the shot, then you see the recoil. I
| don't think he shot himself, but I can see the recoil...it happens right
| when the camera zooms after you hear it. I think the first thing he
thought
| of was "F%$#!" and perhaps part of the floor hit him in the leg. The
second
| thing he probably thought of was applying for a new job.
|
| "Rusted" <noEmail@please.com> wrote in message
| news:QeJ%d.1548$2K.495@fe50.usenetserver.com...
| > He is a big guy, a 40 doesn't have a lot of recoil, but it should have
| > some.... Can you see any recoil? even a little?? You don't think the
| > guy would put a blank in there to give the kids something to think
about?
| > Or what a good stage for an anti-gun activist. After all after he was
| > shot he did continue with his presentation, seems like it would be a
good
| > time to sit down and lick your wounds. Video seems fishy to me.
| >
| >
| > "FrankW" <fworm@mxznorpak.ca> wrote in message
| > news:24idndN32ZaqeqPfRVn-tg@magma.ca...
| >> More scary than funny
| >>
| >>
http://mmslb.eonstreams.com/b/ccri/t...u/deaclass.wmv
| >>
| >
| >
| >
|
|
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Re: O.T. An interesting demonstration on gun safety?
Follow the link it happened.
http://www.local6.com/news/4299670/detail.html
--
HarryS My 2¢
"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:u42dncbc58WQs93fRVn-1Q@comcast.com...
| The sound and the picture on that video are offset, the sound is slightly
| before the picture...First you hear the shot, then you see the recoil. I
| don't think he shot himself, but I can see the recoil...it happens right
| when the camera zooms after you hear it. I think the first thing he
thought
| of was "F%$#!" and perhaps part of the floor hit him in the leg. The
second
| thing he probably thought of was applying for a new job.
|
| "Rusted" <noEmail@please.com> wrote in message
| news:QeJ%d.1548$2K.495@fe50.usenetserver.com...
| > He is a big guy, a 40 doesn't have a lot of recoil, but it should have
| > some.... Can you see any recoil? even a little?? You don't think the
| > guy would put a blank in there to give the kids something to think
about?
| > Or what a good stage for an anti-gun activist. After all after he was
| > shot he did continue with his presentation, seems like it would be a
good
| > time to sit down and lick your wounds. Video seems fishy to me.
| >
| >
| > "FrankW" <fworm@mxznorpak.ca> wrote in message
| > news:24idndN32ZaqeqPfRVn-tg@magma.ca...
| >> More scary than funny
| >>
| >>
http://mmslb.eonstreams.com/b/ccri/t...u/deaclass.wmv
| >>
| >
| >
| >
|
|
http://www.local6.com/news/4299670/detail.html
--
HarryS My 2¢
"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:u42dncbc58WQs93fRVn-1Q@comcast.com...
| The sound and the picture on that video are offset, the sound is slightly
| before the picture...First you hear the shot, then you see the recoil. I
| don't think he shot himself, but I can see the recoil...it happens right
| when the camera zooms after you hear it. I think the first thing he
thought
| of was "F%$#!" and perhaps part of the floor hit him in the leg. The
second
| thing he probably thought of was applying for a new job.
|
| "Rusted" <noEmail@please.com> wrote in message
| news:QeJ%d.1548$2K.495@fe50.usenetserver.com...
| > He is a big guy, a 40 doesn't have a lot of recoil, but it should have
| > some.... Can you see any recoil? even a little?? You don't think the
| > guy would put a blank in there to give the kids something to think
about?
| > Or what a good stage for an anti-gun activist. After all after he was
| > shot he did continue with his presentation, seems like it would be a
good
| > time to sit down and lick your wounds. Video seems fishy to me.
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| > "FrankW" <fworm@mxznorpak.ca> wrote in message
| > news:24idndN32ZaqeqPfRVn-tg@magma.ca...
| >> More scary than funny
| >>
| >>
http://mmslb.eonstreams.com/b/ccri/t...u/deaclass.wmv
| >>
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Re: O.T. An interesting demonstration on gun safety?
LOL :-)
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
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HarryS wrote:
>
> Yep my 1943 GI issue 45 APC is still the weapon to have I will put it up
> against any of those sissy guns. SpecOppc is now switching back to the 45
> APC round and when it hits something it stays down. When I lived in
> Louisiana we went to a local silhouette range and they eventually made me
> stop, the wad cutters were hot loaded and it raises hell on 1/4 " plate.
>
> --
> HarryS My 2¢
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
HarryS wrote:
>
> Yep my 1943 GI issue 45 APC is still the weapon to have I will put it up
> against any of those sissy guns. SpecOppc is now switching back to the 45
> APC round and when it hits something it stays down. When I lived in
> Louisiana we went to a local silhouette range and they eventually made me
> stop, the wad cutters were hot loaded and it raises hell on 1/4 " plate.
>
> --
> HarryS My 2¢
