Carl Saiyed

Thanks, Mike and SoK66. I'll step up to the RE5520. I'll also try to upgrade
to Rubicon Monotubes when I order the kit. I don't want to mix shackles, and
the RE5520 comes with new shackles.

Carl


"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:4288901B.949D120@sympatico.ca...
> Longer shackles can do nasty things. Besides tossing the steering
> angles off, they allow the springs to over flex. This allows the
> springs to 'say' flex out flat or even invert because the shackle will
> move 'out' making a longer anchor point as the spring compresses.
>
> The proper shackle for the spring controls this and stops moving when
> the spring still has an arch left so it can't over flex.
>
> Some springs apparently need longer shackles or they will bind up on a
> heavy flex or that is just a cheap way for them to sell an 'extreme' kit
> which is now getting into 'trailer queen' territory.
>
> I would be very careful about mixing and matching lifts....
>
> Mike
>
> Carl Saiyed wrote:
> >
> > http://www.rubiconexpress.com/dynami...p?folderid=186
> >
> > RE5515. Comes with shims, but no shackles. A friend told me something
about
> > possibly needing angle shackles because the springs are "full military
> > wrap"?
> >
> > Carl
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:4287DE27.38452CA2@sympatico.ca...
> > > I 'think' by some info in another thread that that lift comes with
> > > longer shackles and shims?
> > >
> > > If so, then if yours are the same length and 'better' quality I would
> > > just use them.
> > >
> > > I have YJ shackles in my CJ7 (1" longer only) with stock new Jeep
> > > springs arched 2.5" and the shackles affect the steering. It won't
self
> > > center well after a turn, you have to crank the wheel back to center
and
> > > I have a slight rear driveshaft vibe with no load on.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> > > Carl Saiyed wrote:
> > > >
> > > > So I need to get stock type shackles again? I'll put the 4" kit on
with
> > the
> > > > 33x 12.5's and if I rub I'll probably to a shackle reversal in the
front
> > > > maybe a 1" shackle in the rear? Then if I MUST, I'll go with a 1 or
2"
> > body
> > > > lift.
> > > >
> > > > Carl
> > > >
> > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > news:4287CFDA.C2916B35@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > You are going to have to be really careful with the alignment with
> > > > > longer shackles. Adding two aftermarket lifts together can be
> > trouble.
> > > > > You have to start messing with shims or try and find an alignment
shop
> > > > > with shim sets to get it back proper. Some combinations can turn
into
> > > > > real abortions with the steering control extremely compromised.
These
> > > > > usually turn into 'trailer queens' that have to be hauled to the
trail
> > > > > head because they aren't safe over 40 mph.
> > > > >
> > > > > Now as far as fitting tires, stock 31x10.5's will 'work' on the
street
> > > > > on some YJ's without too much rub.
> > > > >
> > > > > You are adding 4"!!!!
> > > > >
> > > > > I only had to add 3" to have tons of room for 33x9.5's's on my
CJ7,
> > but
> > > > > it can take 31's with no rub.
> > > > >
> > > > > I would sure try it without the body lift and see what happens.
If
> > you
> > > > > tag at full flex, you can always add a little to the bump stop
height
> > so
> > > > > it hits that before the tire tags.
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike
> > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > >
> > > > > Carl Saiyed wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I belive we did. My YJ now has 1" lift shackles on it.. Will
these
> > be
> > > > > > re-useable when I install the kit?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Carl
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Cherokee-Ltd" <nospam@home.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:LMednWK5H5lZWhrfRVn-2g@rogers.com...
> > > > > > > I can't see needing 4" + 2" to fit 33's on a YJ but anyway...
> > > > > > > Be careful messing around with shackles on replacement
springs. I
> > > > think
> > > > > > > we've had this conversation before regarding your XJ.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > -Brian
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > > news:4287be49$1_1@newsfeed.slurp.net...
> > > > > > > > The Rubicon Express site says that with thier standard 4"
spring
> > > > kit,
> > > > > > I'll
> > > > > > > > clear the 33x12.5's on my YJ no problem... A friend that
> > installed
> > > > the
> > > > > > > > same
> > > > > > > > kit said that he had to add a 2" body lift to clear. Who's
> > right?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > If indeed the 4" spring kit isn't tall enough, can I add a
1"
> > > > shackle
> > > > > > lift
> > > > > > > > and a 1" body lift to clear? I don't like body lifts and
want to
> > > > stay
> > > > > > away
> > > > > > > > from them as much as possible.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Carl
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >

Carl Saiyed

Thanks, Mike and SoK66. I'll step up to the RE5520. I'll also try to upgrade
to Rubicon Monotubes when I order the kit. I don't want to mix shackles, and
the RE5520 comes with new shackles.

Carl


"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:4288901B.949D120@sympatico.ca...
> Longer shackles can do nasty things. Besides tossing the steering
> angles off, they allow the springs to over flex. This allows the
> springs to 'say' flex out flat or even invert because the shackle will
> move 'out' making a longer anchor point as the spring compresses.
>
> The proper shackle for the spring controls this and stops moving when
> the spring still has an arch left so it can't over flex.
>
> Some springs apparently need longer shackles or they will bind up on a
> heavy flex or that is just a cheap way for them to sell an 'extreme' kit
> which is now getting into 'trailer queen' territory.
>
> I would be very careful about mixing and matching lifts....
>
> Mike
>
> Carl Saiyed wrote:
> >
> > http://www.rubiconexpress.com/dynami...p?folderid=186
> >
> > RE5515. Comes with shims, but no shackles. A friend told me something
about
> > possibly needing angle shackles because the springs are "full military
> > wrap"?
> >
> > Carl
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:4287DE27.38452CA2@sympatico.ca...
> > > I 'think' by some info in another thread that that lift comes with
> > > longer shackles and shims?
> > >
> > > If so, then if yours are the same length and 'better' quality I would
> > > just use them.
> > >
> > > I have YJ shackles in my CJ7 (1" longer only) with stock new Jeep
> > > springs arched 2.5" and the shackles affect the steering. It won't
self
> > > center well after a turn, you have to crank the wheel back to center
and
> > > I have a slight rear driveshaft vibe with no load on.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> > > Carl Saiyed wrote:
> > > >
> > > > So I need to get stock type shackles again? I'll put the 4" kit on
with
> > the
> > > > 33x 12.5's and if I rub I'll probably to a shackle reversal in the
front
> > > > maybe a 1" shackle in the rear? Then if I MUST, I'll go with a 1 or
2"
> > body
> > > > lift.
> > > >
> > > > Carl
> > > >
> > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > news:4287CFDA.C2916B35@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > You are going to have to be really careful with the alignment with
> > > > > longer shackles. Adding two aftermarket lifts together can be
> > trouble.
> > > > > You have to start messing with shims or try and find an alignment
shop
> > > > > with shim sets to get it back proper. Some combinations can turn
into
> > > > > real abortions with the steering control extremely compromised.
These
> > > > > usually turn into 'trailer queens' that have to be hauled to the
trail
> > > > > head because they aren't safe over 40 mph.
> > > > >
> > > > > Now as far as fitting tires, stock 31x10.5's will 'work' on the
street
> > > > > on some YJ's without too much rub.
> > > > >
> > > > > You are adding 4"!!!!
> > > > >
> > > > > I only had to add 3" to have tons of room for 33x9.5's's on my
CJ7,
> > but
> > > > > it can take 31's with no rub.
> > > > >
> > > > > I would sure try it without the body lift and see what happens.
If
> > you
> > > > > tag at full flex, you can always add a little to the bump stop
height
> > so
> > > > > it hits that before the tire tags.
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike
> > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > >
> > > > > Carl Saiyed wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I belive we did. My YJ now has 1" lift shackles on it.. Will
these
> > be
> > > > > > re-useable when I install the kit?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Carl
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Cherokee-Ltd" <nospam@home.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:LMednWK5H5lZWhrfRVn-2g@rogers.com...
> > > > > > > I can't see needing 4" + 2" to fit 33's on a YJ but anyway...
> > > > > > > Be careful messing around with shackles on replacement
springs. I
> > > > think
> > > > > > > we've had this conversation before regarding your XJ.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > -Brian
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > > news:4287be49$1_1@newsfeed.slurp.net...
> > > > > > > > The Rubicon Express site says that with thier standard 4"
spring
> > > > kit,
> > > > > > I'll
> > > > > > > > clear the 33x12.5's on my YJ no problem... A friend that
> > installed
> > > > the
> > > > > > > > same
> > > > > > > > kit said that he had to add a 2" body lift to clear. Who's
> > right?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > If indeed the 4" spring kit isn't tall enough, can I add a
1"
> > > > shackle
> > > > > > lift
> > > > > > > > and a 1" body lift to clear? I don't like body lifts and
want to
> > > > stay
> > > > > > away
> > > > > > > > from them as much as possible.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Carl
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >

Carl Saiyed

Thanks, Mike and SoK66. I'll step up to the RE5520. I'll also try to upgrade
to Rubicon Monotubes when I order the kit. I don't want to mix shackles, and
the RE5520 comes with new shackles.

Carl


"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:4288901B.949D120@sympatico.ca...
> Longer shackles can do nasty things. Besides tossing the steering
> angles off, they allow the springs to over flex. This allows the
> springs to 'say' flex out flat or even invert because the shackle will
> move 'out' making a longer anchor point as the spring compresses.
>
> The proper shackle for the spring controls this and stops moving when
> the spring still has an arch left so it can't over flex.
>
> Some springs apparently need longer shackles or they will bind up on a
> heavy flex or that is just a cheap way for them to sell an 'extreme' kit
> which is now getting into 'trailer queen' territory.
>
> I would be very careful about mixing and matching lifts....
>
> Mike
>
> Carl Saiyed wrote:
> >
> > http://www.rubiconexpress.com/dynami...p?folderid=186
> >
> > RE5515. Comes with shims, but no shackles. A friend told me something
about
> > possibly needing angle shackles because the springs are "full military
> > wrap"?
> >
> > Carl
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:4287DE27.38452CA2@sympatico.ca...
> > > I 'think' by some info in another thread that that lift comes with
> > > longer shackles and shims?
> > >
> > > If so, then if yours are the same length and 'better' quality I would
> > > just use them.
> > >
> > > I have YJ shackles in my CJ7 (1" longer only) with stock new Jeep
> > > springs arched 2.5" and the shackles affect the steering. It won't
self
> > > center well after a turn, you have to crank the wheel back to center
and
> > > I have a slight rear driveshaft vibe with no load on.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> > > Carl Saiyed wrote:
> > > >
> > > > So I need to get stock type shackles again? I'll put the 4" kit on
with
> > the
> > > > 33x 12.5's and if I rub I'll probably to a shackle reversal in the
front
> > > > maybe a 1" shackle in the rear? Then if I MUST, I'll go with a 1 or
2"
> > body
> > > > lift.
> > > >
> > > > Carl
> > > >
> > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > news:4287CFDA.C2916B35@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > You are going to have to be really careful with the alignment with
> > > > > longer shackles. Adding two aftermarket lifts together can be
> > trouble.
> > > > > You have to start messing with shims or try and find an alignment
shop
> > > > > with shim sets to get it back proper. Some combinations can turn
into
> > > > > real abortions with the steering control extremely compromised.
These
> > > > > usually turn into 'trailer queens' that have to be hauled to the
trail
> > > > > head because they aren't safe over 40 mph.
> > > > >
> > > > > Now as far as fitting tires, stock 31x10.5's will 'work' on the
street
> > > > > on some YJ's without too much rub.
> > > > >
> > > > > You are adding 4"!!!!
> > > > >
> > > > > I only had to add 3" to have tons of room for 33x9.5's's on my
CJ7,
> > but
> > > > > it can take 31's with no rub.
> > > > >
> > > > > I would sure try it without the body lift and see what happens.
If
> > you
> > > > > tag at full flex, you can always add a little to the bump stop
height
> > so
> > > > > it hits that before the tire tags.
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike
> > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > >
> > > > > Carl Saiyed wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I belive we did. My YJ now has 1" lift shackles on it.. Will
these
> > be
> > > > > > re-useable when I install the kit?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Carl
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Cherokee-Ltd" <nospam@home.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:LMednWK5H5lZWhrfRVn-2g@rogers.com...
> > > > > > > I can't see needing 4" + 2" to fit 33's on a YJ but anyway...
> > > > > > > Be careful messing around with shackles on replacement
springs. I
> > > > think
> > > > > > > we've had this conversation before regarding your XJ.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > -Brian
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > > news:4287be49$1_1@newsfeed.slurp.net...
> > > > > > > > The Rubicon Express site says that with thier standard 4"
spring
> > > > kit,
> > > > > > I'll
> > > > > > > > clear the 33x12.5's on my YJ no problem... A friend that
> > installed
> > > > the
> > > > > > > > same
> > > > > > > > kit said that he had to add a 2" body lift to clear. Who's
> > right?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > If indeed the 4" spring kit isn't tall enough, can I add a
1"
> > > > shackle
> > > > > > lift
> > > > > > > > and a 1" body lift to clear? I don't like body lifts and
want to
> > > > stay
> > > > > > away
> > > > > > > > from them as much as possible.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Carl
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >

Paul Keating

Mike, taller lift springs are longer, measured along the arch.
In order to have more lift, and attach to the same mounts, the leaf is a
little longer....when compressed, (flattened) they will be longer, and
without the longer shackles, the spring will not be able to
compress/extend as much as it needs to be.....the spring will compress
to the point where the shackle is horizontal and the suspension will
feel like it's bottomed out.

Paul

Mike Romain wrote:
>
> Some springs apparently need longer shackles or they will bind up on a
> heavy flex or that is just a cheap way for them to sell an 'extreme' kit
> which is now getting into 'trailer queen' territory.
>

Paul Keating

Mike, taller lift springs are longer, measured along the arch.
In order to have more lift, and attach to the same mounts, the leaf is a
little longer....when compressed, (flattened) they will be longer, and
without the longer shackles, the spring will not be able to
compress/extend as much as it needs to be.....the spring will compress
to the point where the shackle is horizontal and the suspension will
feel like it's bottomed out.

Paul

Mike Romain wrote:
>
> Some springs apparently need longer shackles or they will bind up on a
> heavy flex or that is just a cheap way for them to sell an 'extreme' kit
> which is now getting into 'trailer queen' territory.
>

Paul Keating

Mike, taller lift springs are longer, measured along the arch.
In order to have more lift, and attach to the same mounts, the leaf is a
little longer....when compressed, (flattened) they will be longer, and
without the longer shackles, the spring will not be able to
compress/extend as much as it needs to be.....the spring will compress
to the point where the shackle is horizontal and the suspension will
feel like it's bottomed out.

Paul

Mike Romain wrote:
>
> Some springs apparently need longer shackles or they will bind up on a
> heavy flex or that is just a cheap way for them to sell an 'extreme' kit
> which is now getting into 'trailer queen' territory.
>

Paul Keating

Mike, taller lift springs are longer, measured along the arch.
In order to have more lift, and attach to the same mounts, the leaf is a
little longer....when compressed, (flattened) they will be longer, and
without the longer shackles, the spring will not be able to
compress/extend as much as it needs to be.....the spring will compress
to the point where the shackle is horizontal and the suspension will
feel like it's bottomed out.

Paul

Mike Romain wrote:
>
> Some springs apparently need longer shackles or they will bind up on a
> heavy flex or that is just a cheap way for them to sell an 'extreme' kit
> which is now getting into 'trailer queen' territory.
>

Paul Keating

Rumour was, a few years ago, that the 5520 (and all the other "Extreme"
kits from RE) uses National Spring (thumbs up) leafs, while the 5515
uses Pro Comp (thumbs down) leafs.

Paul

Carl Saiyed wrote:
> Thanks, Mike and SoK66. I'll step up to the RE5520. I'll also try to upgrade
> to Rubicon Monotubes when I order the kit. I don't want to mix shackles, and
> the RE5520 comes with new shackles.
>

Paul Keating

Rumour was, a few years ago, that the 5520 (and all the other "Extreme"
kits from RE) uses National Spring (thumbs up) leafs, while the 5515
uses Pro Comp (thumbs down) leafs.

Paul

Carl Saiyed wrote:
> Thanks, Mike and SoK66. I'll step up to the RE5520. I'll also try to upgrade
> to Rubicon Monotubes when I order the kit. I don't want to mix shackles, and
> the RE5520 comes with new shackles.
>

Paul Keating

Rumour was, a few years ago, that the 5520 (and all the other "Extreme"
kits from RE) uses National Spring (thumbs up) leafs, while the 5515
uses Pro Comp (thumbs down) leafs.

Paul

Carl Saiyed wrote:
> Thanks, Mike and SoK66. I'll step up to the RE5520. I'll also try to upgrade
> to Rubicon Monotubes when I order the kit. I don't want to mix shackles, and
> the RE5520 comes with new shackles.
>