Re: no more trails say its not so
 

Quit sniveling and do something.
Join a group dedicated to responsible off-road use.

--
Paul Calman, Hathaway Pines, California

Re: no more trails say its not so
 

Quit sniveling and do something.
Join a group dedicated to responsible off-road use.

--
Paul Calman, Hathaway Pines, California

Re: no more trails say its not so
 

Quit sniveling and do something.
Join a group dedicated to responsible off-road use.

--
Paul Calman, Hathaway Pines, California

Re: no more trails say its not so
 

Was that place privately owned Mike?
what was done to "close" the area?


"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:40EDC3F8.B3D5B12@sympatico.ca...
> I agree with them though....
>
> There are enough old trails that making new ones to just tear up the
> place is BS.
>
> We call it 'Tread Lightly'.
>
> Areas up here in southern Canada are getting closed totally because of
> Yahoos tearing it up and littering. Way too many areas to!!!!
>
> A bunch of us from this newsgroup got together for a big clean up of one
> local area and it got messed back up so fast it is now closed. Bummer,
> it was our 'day trip' area.
>
> http://www.imagestation.com/album/?id=4291902217
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> HarryS wrote:
> >
> > Sounds like the tree Nazis have struck again.
> >
> > --
> > HarryS
> > JAFGBR
> > JAFTJO
> > "KC" <kcmidget@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
> > news:ZjcHc.17138$Bv.1740775@twister.tampabay.rr.co m...
> > > Off-roaders may be tied to trails
> > > Forest riders who go cross-country would be outlaws
> > >
> > >
> > > Published July 08. 2004 7:30AM
> > >
> > > BY BILL THOMPSON
> > > STAFF WRITER
> > >
> > >
> > > OCALA - Federal foresters proposed a new regulation on Wednesday for
> > > off-highway vehicles in national forests and grasslands in an effort
to
> > cut
> > > down on habitat destruction caused by outlaw trail riders.
> > >
> > > The proposed regulation will force 176 federal recreation areas around
the
> > > country to identify individual systems of designated trails, roads and
> > areas
> > > where motor vehicles will be allowed to travel.
> > >
> > > The bottom line for off-highway vehicle enthusiasts is that "cross
country
> > > travel won't be allowed once this rule becomes final," said Jack
Troyer,
> > > regional forester for the U.S. Forest Service's Intermountain Region
and
> > > leader of the agency team that developed the new rule.
> > >
> > > Troyer and other officials who participated in a nationwide conference
> > call
> > > announcing the rule on Wednesday acknowledged that the agency's
attempt to
> > > establish something that now doesn't exist - a consistent policy
regarding
> > > off-highway vehicles, or OHVs, that puts the Forest Service on the
same
> > page
> > > across the country - might create a ruckus in some areas where OHVs
can
> > > travel cross-country unfettered.
> > >
> > > But the announcement seems to hold little impact on Florida, home to
three
> > > national forests, including the nearly 400,000-acre Ocala National
Forest.
> > >
> > > That's because OHV trail networks were already in the works for them.
> > > Roberta Moltzen, deputy regional forester for 13 states across the
South,
> > > said agency staff in Florida will simply "keep on with what they've
been
> > > doing" in defining those areas.
> > >
> > > Denise Raines, Forest Service spokeswoman in Tallahassee, said
> > > environmental-impact guidelines, including for OHV use, have already
been
> > > set for the Osceola National Forest near Lake City.
> > >
> > > A similar document for the Ocala National Forest is expected to be
> > completed
> > > next month, although it will cover only about half of the forest. The
> > review
> > > of the rest of the forest should be finished next year.
> > >
> > > The Forest Service has already banned some OHV activity in the Ocala
> > > National Forest. In January, a rule went into effect limiting
unlicensed
> > > OHVs to daylight use only, defined as 90 minutes or less before
sunrise
> > and
> > > not later than 90 minutes after sunset.
> > >
> > > Overall, the 155 national forests and 21 federal grasslands already
have
> > > guidelines pertaining to OHV use, officials said. But those rules vary
as
> > > widely as the areas they serve.
> > >
> > > The purpose of the new proposal is to protect federal lands by
preventing
> > > the proliferation of impromptu "user-created" roads and trails left by
the
> > > small percentage of outlaw visitors taking part in the explosion of
OHV
> > use
> > > on federal lands, Troyer said.
> > >
> > > While OHV users made up only 5 percent of the total number of visitors
to
> > > national forests and grasslands in 2002, their overall numbers had
swollen
> > > from 5 million in 1972 to 36 million in 2000.
> > >
> > > OHVs include motor vehicles designed or retrofitted primarily for
> > > recreational use off road, such as minibikes, amphibious vehicles,
> > > snowmobiles, motorcycles, go-carts, motorized trail bikes and dune
> > buggies.
> > > It also includes sport utility vehicles and all-terrain vehicles.
> > >
> > > Troyer acknowledged that enforcement will be a problem, largely
because of
> > > constraints on the agency's $4 billion annual budget. But the Forest
> > Service
> > > will rely on volunteers and other users to help report violators.
> > >
> > > Raines said the current "spaghetti system of trails" in the Ocala
National
> > > Forest needs to be straightened out and structured to protect animal
> > habitat
> > > and environmentally sensitive areas and to help other visitors who
seek
> > > tranquility to enjoy the forest.
> > >
> > > The public has 60 days to comment on the proposed rule. Such comments
may
> > be
> > > sent to: Proposed Rule for Designated Routes and Areas for Motor
Vehicle
> > > Use, Content Analysis Team, P.O. Box 221150, Salt Lake City, UT
> > 84122-1150.
> > > Remarks will be accepted by e-mail to or by fax to (801) 517-1014.
> > >
> > > Troyer said the individual forests and grasslands will each develop a
> > "user
> > > map," which will become the governing document of OHV use in those
areas.
> > > While some may finish defining their OHV areas in as little as a year,
> > > others could take up to four years. And the public will be allowed to
make
> > > its input known for each one.
> > >
> > > "Designated routes, local decision-making is really at the heart of
what
> > > we're trying to do," Troyer said.
> > >
> > > Bill Thompson covers county government and can be reached at 867-4117
> > >
> > > The purpose of
> > > the new proposal
> > > is to protect federal lands by preventing the proliferation
> > >
> > > of "user-created" roads and trails left by outlaw visitors taking part
in
> > > the explosion of OHV use on federal lands.
> > >
> > >
> > >

Re: no more trails say its not so
 

Was that place privately owned Mike?
what was done to "close" the area?


"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:40EDC3F8.B3D5B12@sympatico.ca...
> I agree with them though....
>
> There are enough old trails that making new ones to just tear up the
> place is BS.
>
> We call it 'Tread Lightly'.
>
> Areas up here in southern Canada are getting closed totally because of
> Yahoos tearing it up and littering. Way too many areas to!!!!
>
> A bunch of us from this newsgroup got together for a big clean up of one
> local area and it got messed back up so fast it is now closed. Bummer,
> it was our 'day trip' area.
>
> http://www.imagestation.com/album/?id=4291902217
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> HarryS wrote:
> >
> > Sounds like the tree Nazis have struck again.
> >
> > --
> > HarryS
> > JAFGBR
> > JAFTJO
> > "KC" <kcmidget@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
> > news:ZjcHc.17138$Bv.1740775@twister.tampabay.rr.co m...
> > > Off-roaders may be tied to trails
> > > Forest riders who go cross-country would be outlaws
> > >
> > >
> > > Published July 08. 2004 7:30AM
> > >
> > > BY BILL THOMPSON
> > > STAFF WRITER
> > >
> > >
> > > OCALA - Federal foresters proposed a new regulation on Wednesday for
> > > off-highway vehicles in national forests and grasslands in an effort
to
> > cut
> > > down on habitat destruction caused by outlaw trail riders.
> > >
> > > The proposed regulation will force 176 federal recreation areas around
the
> > > country to identify individual systems of designated trails, roads and
> > areas
> > > where motor vehicles will be allowed to travel.
> > >
> > > The bottom line for off-highway vehicle enthusiasts is that "cross
country
> > > travel won't be allowed once this rule becomes final," said Jack
Troyer,
> > > regional forester for the U.S. Forest Service's Intermountain Region
and
> > > leader of the agency team that developed the new rule.
> > >
> > > Troyer and other officials who participated in a nationwide conference
> > call
> > > announcing the rule on Wednesday acknowledged that the agency's
attempt to
> > > establish something that now doesn't exist - a consistent policy
regarding
> > > off-highway vehicles, or OHVs, that puts the Forest Service on the
same
> > page
> > > across the country - might create a ruckus in some areas where OHVs
can
> > > travel cross-country unfettered.
> > >
> > > But the announcement seems to hold little impact on Florida, home to
three
> > > national forests, including the nearly 400,000-acre Ocala National
Forest.
> > >
> > > That's because OHV trail networks were already in the works for them.
> > > Roberta Moltzen, deputy regional forester for 13 states across the
South,
> > > said agency staff in Florida will simply "keep on with what they've
been
> > > doing" in defining those areas.
> > >
> > > Denise Raines, Forest Service spokeswoman in Tallahassee, said
> > > environmental-impact guidelines, including for OHV use, have already
been
> > > set for the Osceola National Forest near Lake City.
> > >
> > > A similar document for the Ocala National Forest is expected to be
> > completed
> > > next month, although it will cover only about half of the forest. The
> > review
> > > of the rest of the forest should be finished next year.
> > >
> > > The Forest Service has already banned some OHV activity in the Ocala
> > > National Forest. In January, a rule went into effect limiting
unlicensed
> > > OHVs to daylight use only, defined as 90 minutes or less before
sunrise
> > and
> > > not later than 90 minutes after sunset.
> > >
> > > Overall, the 155 national forests and 21 federal grasslands already
have
> > > guidelines pertaining to OHV use, officials said. But those rules vary
as
> > > widely as the areas they serve.
> > >
> > > The purpose of the new proposal is to protect federal lands by
preventing
> > > the proliferation of impromptu "user-created" roads and trails left by
the
> > > small percentage of outlaw visitors taking part in the explosion of
OHV
> > use
> > > on federal lands, Troyer said.
> > >
> > > While OHV users made up only 5 percent of the total number of visitors
to
> > > national forests and grasslands in 2002, their overall numbers had
swollen
> > > from 5 million in 1972 to 36 million in 2000.
> > >
> > > OHVs include motor vehicles designed or retrofitted primarily for
> > > recreational use off road, such as minibikes, amphibious vehicles,
> > > snowmobiles, motorcycles, go-carts, motorized trail bikes and dune
> > buggies.
> > > It also includes sport utility vehicles and all-terrain vehicles.
> > >
> > > Troyer acknowledged that enforcement will be a problem, largely
because of
> > > constraints on the agency's $4 billion annual budget. But the Forest
> > Service
> > > will rely on volunteers and other users to help report violators.
> > >
> > > Raines said the current "spaghetti system of trails" in the Ocala
National
> > > Forest needs to be straightened out and structured to protect animal
> > habitat
> > > and environmentally sensitive areas and to help other visitors who
seek
> > > tranquility to enjoy the forest.
> > >
> > > The public has 60 days to comment on the proposed rule. Such comments
may
> > be
> > > sent to: Proposed Rule for Designated Routes and Areas for Motor
Vehicle
> > > Use, Content Analysis Team, P.O. Box 221150, Salt Lake City, UT
> > 84122-1150.
> > > Remarks will be accepted by e-mail to or by fax to (801) 517-1014.
> > >
> > > Troyer said the individual forests and grasslands will each develop a
> > "user
> > > map," which will become the governing document of OHV use in those
areas.
> > > While some may finish defining their OHV areas in as little as a year,
> > > others could take up to four years. And the public will be allowed to
make
> > > its input known for each one.
> > >
> > > "Designated routes, local decision-making is really at the heart of
what
> > > we're trying to do," Troyer said.
> > >
> > > Bill Thompson covers county government and can be reached at 867-4117
> > >
> > > The purpose of
> > > the new proposal
> > > is to protect federal lands by preventing the proliferation
> > >
> > > of "user-created" roads and trails left by outlaw visitors taking part
in
> > > the explosion of OHV use on federal lands.
> > >
> > >
> > >

Re: no more trails say its not so
 

Was that place privately owned Mike?
what was done to "close" the area?


"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:40EDC3F8.B3D5B12@sympatico.ca...
> I agree with them though....
>
> There are enough old trails that making new ones to just tear up the
> place is BS.
>
> We call it 'Tread Lightly'.
>
> Areas up here in southern Canada are getting closed totally because of
> Yahoos tearing it up and littering. Way too many areas to!!!!
>
> A bunch of us from this newsgroup got together for a big clean up of one
> local area and it got messed back up so fast it is now closed. Bummer,
> it was our 'day trip' area.
>
> http://www.imagestation.com/album/?id=4291902217
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> HarryS wrote:
> >
> > Sounds like the tree Nazis have struck again.
> >
> > --
> > HarryS
> > JAFGBR
> > JAFTJO
> > "KC" <kcmidget@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
> > news:ZjcHc.17138$Bv.1740775@twister.tampabay.rr.co m...
> > > Off-roaders may be tied to trails
> > > Forest riders who go cross-country would be outlaws
> > >
> > >
> > > Published July 08. 2004 7:30AM
> > >
> > > BY BILL THOMPSON
> > > STAFF WRITER
> > >
> > >
> > > OCALA - Federal foresters proposed a new regulation on Wednesday for
> > > off-highway vehicles in national forests and grasslands in an effort
to
> > cut
> > > down on habitat destruction caused by outlaw trail riders.
> > >
> > > The proposed regulation will force 176 federal recreation areas around
the
> > > country to identify individual systems of designated trails, roads and
> > areas
> > > where motor vehicles will be allowed to travel.
> > >
> > > The bottom line for off-highway vehicle enthusiasts is that "cross
country
> > > travel won't be allowed once this rule becomes final," said Jack
Troyer,
> > > regional forester for the U.S. Forest Service's Intermountain Region
and
> > > leader of the agency team that developed the new rule.
> > >
> > > Troyer and other officials who participated in a nationwide conference
> > call
> > > announcing the rule on Wednesday acknowledged that the agency's
attempt to
> > > establish something that now doesn't exist - a consistent policy
regarding
> > > off-highway vehicles, or OHVs, that puts the Forest Service on the
same
> > page
> > > across the country - might create a ruckus in some areas where OHVs
can
> > > travel cross-country unfettered.
> > >
> > > But the announcement seems to hold little impact on Florida, home to
three
> > > national forests, including the nearly 400,000-acre Ocala National
Forest.
> > >
> > > That's because OHV trail networks were already in the works for them.
> > > Roberta Moltzen, deputy regional forester for 13 states across the
South,
> > > said agency staff in Florida will simply "keep on with what they've
been
> > > doing" in defining those areas.
> > >
> > > Denise Raines, Forest Service spokeswoman in Tallahassee, said
> > > environmental-impact guidelines, including for OHV use, have already
been
> > > set for the Osceola National Forest near Lake City.
> > >
> > > A similar document for the Ocala National Forest is expected to be
> > completed
> > > next month, although it will cover only about half of the forest. The
> > review
> > > of the rest of the forest should be finished next year.
> > >
> > > The Forest Service has already banned some OHV activity in the Ocala
> > > National Forest. In January, a rule went into effect limiting
unlicensed
> > > OHVs to daylight use only, defined as 90 minutes or less before
sunrise
> > and
> > > not later than 90 minutes after sunset.
> > >
> > > Overall, the 155 national forests and 21 federal grasslands already
have
> > > guidelines pertaining to OHV use, officials said. But those rules vary
as
> > > widely as the areas they serve.
> > >
> > > The purpose of the new proposal is to protect federal lands by
preventing
> > > the proliferation of impromptu "user-created" roads and trails left by
the
> > > small percentage of outlaw visitors taking part in the explosion of
OHV
> > use
> > > on federal lands, Troyer said.
> > >
> > > While OHV users made up only 5 percent of the total number of visitors
to
> > > national forests and grasslands in 2002, their overall numbers had
swollen
> > > from 5 million in 1972 to 36 million in 2000.
> > >
> > > OHVs include motor vehicles designed or retrofitted primarily for
> > > recreational use off road, such as minibikes, amphibious vehicles,
> > > snowmobiles, motorcycles, go-carts, motorized trail bikes and dune
> > buggies.
> > > It also includes sport utility vehicles and all-terrain vehicles.
> > >
> > > Troyer acknowledged that enforcement will be a problem, largely
because of
> > > constraints on the agency's $4 billion annual budget. But the Forest
> > Service
> > > will rely on volunteers and other users to help report violators.
> > >
> > > Raines said the current "spaghetti system of trails" in the Ocala
National
> > > Forest needs to be straightened out and structured to protect animal
> > habitat
> > > and environmentally sensitive areas and to help other visitors who
seek
> > > tranquility to enjoy the forest.
> > >
> > > The public has 60 days to comment on the proposed rule. Such comments
may
> > be
> > > sent to: Proposed Rule for Designated Routes and Areas for Motor
Vehicle
> > > Use, Content Analysis Team, P.O. Box 221150, Salt Lake City, UT
> > 84122-1150.
> > > Remarks will be accepted by e-mail to or by fax to (801) 517-1014.
> > >
> > > Troyer said the individual forests and grasslands will each develop a
> > "user
> > > map," which will become the governing document of OHV use in those
areas.
> > > While some may finish defining their OHV areas in as little as a year,
> > > others could take up to four years. And the public will be allowed to
make
> > > its input known for each one.
> > >
> > > "Designated routes, local decision-making is really at the heart of
what
> > > we're trying to do," Troyer said.
> > >
> > > Bill Thompson covers county government and can be reached at 867-4117
> > >
> > > The purpose of
> > > the new proposal
> > > is to protect federal lands by preventing the proliferation
> > >
> > > of "user-created" roads and trails left by outlaw visitors taking part
in
> > > the explosion of OHV use on federal lands.
> > >
> > >
> > >

Re: no more trails say its not so
 

Was that place privately owned Mike?
what was done to "close" the area?


"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:40EDC3F8.B3D5B12@sympatico.ca...
> I agree with them though....
>
> There are enough old trails that making new ones to just tear up the
> place is BS.
>
> We call it 'Tread Lightly'.
>
> Areas up here in southern Canada are getting closed totally because of
> Yahoos tearing it up and littering. Way too many areas to!!!!
>
> A bunch of us from this newsgroup got together for a big clean up of one
> local area and it got messed back up so fast it is now closed. Bummer,
> it was our 'day trip' area.
>
> http://www.imagestation.com/album/?id=4291902217
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> HarryS wrote:
> >
> > Sounds like the tree Nazis have struck again.
> >
> > --
> > HarryS
> > JAFGBR
> > JAFTJO
> > "KC" <kcmidget@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
> > news:ZjcHc.17138$Bv.1740775@twister.tampabay.rr.co m...
> > > Off-roaders may be tied to trails
> > > Forest riders who go cross-country would be outlaws
> > >
> > >
> > > Published July 08. 2004 7:30AM
> > >
> > > BY BILL THOMPSON
> > > STAFF WRITER
> > >
> > >
> > > OCALA - Federal foresters proposed a new regulation on Wednesday for
> > > off-highway vehicles in national forests and grasslands in an effort
to
> > cut
> > > down on habitat destruction caused by outlaw trail riders.
> > >
> > > The proposed regulation will force 176 federal recreation areas around
the
> > > country to identify individual systems of designated trails, roads and
> > areas
> > > where motor vehicles will be allowed to travel.
> > >
> > > The bottom line for off-highway vehicle enthusiasts is that "cross
country
> > > travel won't be allowed once this rule becomes final," said Jack
Troyer,
> > > regional forester for the U.S. Forest Service's Intermountain Region
and
> > > leader of the agency team that developed the new rule.
> > >
> > > Troyer and other officials who participated in a nationwide conference
> > call
> > > announcing the rule on Wednesday acknowledged that the agency's
attempt to
> > > establish something that now doesn't exist - a consistent policy
regarding
> > > off-highway vehicles, or OHVs, that puts the Forest Service on the
same
> > page
> > > across the country - might create a ruckus in some areas where OHVs
can
> > > travel cross-country unfettered.
> > >
> > > But the announcement seems to hold little impact on Florida, home to
three
> > > national forests, including the nearly 400,000-acre Ocala National
Forest.
> > >
> > > That's because OHV trail networks were already in the works for them.
> > > Roberta Moltzen, deputy regional forester for 13 states across the
South,
> > > said agency staff in Florida will simply "keep on with what they've
been
> > > doing" in defining those areas.
> > >
> > > Denise Raines, Forest Service spokeswoman in Tallahassee, said
> > > environmental-impact guidelines, including for OHV use, have already
been
> > > set for the Osceola National Forest near Lake City.
> > >
> > > A similar document for the Ocala National Forest is expected to be
> > completed
> > > next month, although it will cover only about half of the forest. The
> > review
> > > of the rest of the forest should be finished next year.
> > >
> > > The Forest Service has already banned some OHV activity in the Ocala
> > > National Forest. In January, a rule went into effect limiting
unlicensed
> > > OHVs to daylight use only, defined as 90 minutes or less before
sunrise
> > and
> > > not later than 90 minutes after sunset.
> > >
> > > Overall, the 155 national forests and 21 federal grasslands already
have
> > > guidelines pertaining to OHV use, officials said. But those rules vary
as
> > > widely as the areas they serve.
> > >
> > > The purpose of the new proposal is to protect federal lands by
preventing
> > > the proliferation of impromptu "user-created" roads and trails left by
the
> > > small percentage of outlaw visitors taking part in the explosion of
OHV
> > use
> > > on federal lands, Troyer said.
> > >
> > > While OHV users made up only 5 percent of the total number of visitors
to
> > > national forests and grasslands in 2002, their overall numbers had
swollen
> > > from 5 million in 1972 to 36 million in 2000.
> > >
> > > OHVs include motor vehicles designed or retrofitted primarily for
> > > recreational use off road, such as minibikes, amphibious vehicles,
> > > snowmobiles, motorcycles, go-carts, motorized trail bikes and dune
> > buggies.
> > > It also includes sport utility vehicles and all-terrain vehicles.
> > >
> > > Troyer acknowledged that enforcement will be a problem, largely
because of
> > > constraints on the agency's $4 billion annual budget. But the Forest
> > Service
> > > will rely on volunteers and other users to help report violators.
> > >
> > > Raines said the current "spaghetti system of trails" in the Ocala
National
> > > Forest needs to be straightened out and structured to protect animal
> > habitat
> > > and environmentally sensitive areas and to help other visitors who
seek
> > > tranquility to enjoy the forest.
> > >
> > > The public has 60 days to comment on the proposed rule. Such comments
may
> > be
> > > sent to: Proposed Rule for Designated Routes and Areas for Motor
Vehicle
> > > Use, Content Analysis Team, P.O. Box 221150, Salt Lake City, UT
> > 84122-1150.
> > > Remarks will be accepted by e-mail to or by fax to (801) 517-1014.
> > >
> > > Troyer said the individual forests and grasslands will each develop a
> > "user
> > > map," which will become the governing document of OHV use in those
areas.
> > > While some may finish defining their OHV areas in as little as a year,
> > > others could take up to four years. And the public will be allowed to
make
> > > its input known for each one.
> > >
> > > "Designated routes, local decision-making is really at the heart of
what
> > > we're trying to do," Troyer said.
> > >
> > > Bill Thompson covers county government and can be reached at 867-4117
> > >
> > > The purpose of
> > > the new proposal
> > > is to protect federal lands by preventing the proliferation
> > >
> > > of "user-created" roads and trails left by outlaw visitors taking part
in
> > > the explosion of OHV use on federal lands.
> > >
> > >
> > >

Re: no more trails say its not so
 

The actions of the few should not punish the many.

--
HarryS
JAFGBR
JAFTJO
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:40EDC3F8.B3D5B12@sympatico.ca...
> I agree with them though....
>
> There are enough old trails that making new ones to just tear up the
> place is BS.
>
> We call it 'Tread Lightly'.
>
> Areas up here in southern Canada are getting closed totally because of
> Yahoos tearing it up and littering. Way too many areas to!!!!
>
> A bunch of us from this newsgroup got together for a big clean up of one
> local area and it got messed back up so fast it is now closed. Bummer,
> it was our 'day trip' area.
>
> http://www.imagestation.com/album/?id=4291902217
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> HarryS wrote:
> >
> > Sounds like the tree Nazis have struck again.
> >
> > --
> > HarryS
> > JAFGBR
> > JAFTJO
> > "KC" <kcmidget@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
> > news:ZjcHc.17138$Bv.1740775@twister.tampabay.rr.co m...
> > > Off-roaders may be tied to trails
> > > Forest riders who go cross-country would be outlaws
> > >
> > >
> > > Published July 08. 2004 7:30AM
> > >
> > > BY BILL THOMPSON
> > > STAFF WRITER
> > >
> > >
> > > OCALA - Federal foresters proposed a new regulation on Wednesday for
> > > off-highway vehicles in national forests and grasslands in an effort
to
> > cut
> > > down on habitat destruction caused by outlaw trail riders.
> > >
> > > The proposed regulation will force 176 federal recreation areas around
the
> > > country to identify individual systems of designated trails, roads and
> > areas
> > > where motor vehicles will be allowed to travel.
> > >
> > > The bottom line for off-highway vehicle enthusiasts is that "cross
country
> > > travel won't be allowed once this rule becomes final," said Jack
Troyer,
> > > regional forester for the U.S. Forest Service's Intermountain Region
and
> > > leader of the agency team that developed the new rule.
> > >
> > > Troyer and other officials who participated in a nationwide conference
> > call
> > > announcing the rule on Wednesday acknowledged that the agency's
attempt to
> > > establish something that now doesn't exist - a consistent policy
regarding
> > > off-highway vehicles, or OHVs, that puts the Forest Service on the
same
> > page
> > > across the country - might create a ruckus in some areas where OHVs
can
> > > travel cross-country unfettered.
> > >
> > > But the announcement seems to hold little impact on Florida, home to
three
> > > national forests, including the nearly 400,000-acre Ocala National
Forest.
> > >
> > > That's because OHV trail networks were already in the works for them.
> > > Roberta Moltzen, deputy regional forester for 13 states across the
South,
> > > said agency staff in Florida will simply "keep on with what they've
been
> > > doing" in defining those areas.
> > >
> > > Denise Raines, Forest Service spokeswoman in Tallahassee, said
> > > environmental-impact guidelines, including for OHV use, have already
been
> > > set for the Osceola National Forest near Lake City.
> > >
> > > A similar document for the Ocala National Forest is expected to be
> > completed
> > > next month, although it will cover only about half of the forest. The
> > review
> > > of the rest of the forest should be finished next year.
> > >
> > > The Forest Service has already banned some OHV activity in the Ocala
> > > National Forest. In January, a rule went into effect limiting
unlicensed
> > > OHVs to daylight use only, defined as 90 minutes or less before
sunrise
> > and
> > > not later than 90 minutes after sunset.
> > >
> > > Overall, the 155 national forests and 21 federal grasslands already
have
> > > guidelines pertaining to OHV use, officials said. But those rules vary
as
> > > widely as the areas they serve.
> > >
> > > The purpose of the new proposal is to protect federal lands by
preventing
> > > the proliferation of impromptu "user-created" roads and trails left by
the
> > > small percentage of outlaw visitors taking part in the explosion of
OHV
> > use
> > > on federal lands, Troyer said.
> > >
> > > While OHV users made up only 5 percent of the total number of visitors
to
> > > national forests and grasslands in 2002, their overall numbers had
swollen
> > > from 5 million in 1972 to 36 million in 2000.
> > >
> > > OHVs include motor vehicles designed or retrofitted primarily for
> > > recreational use off road, such as minibikes, amphibious vehicles,
> > > snowmobiles, motorcycles, go-carts, motorized trail bikes and dune
> > buggies.
> > > It also includes sport utility vehicles and all-terrain vehicles.
> > >
> > > Troyer acknowledged that enforcement will be a problem, largely
because of
> > > constraints on the agency's $4 billion annual budget. But the Forest
> > Service
> > > will rely on volunteers and other users to help report violators.
> > >
> > > Raines said the current "spaghetti system of trails" in the Ocala
National
> > > Forest needs to be straightened out and structured to protect animal
> > habitat
> > > and environmentally sensitive areas and to help other visitors who
seek
> > > tranquility to enjoy the forest.
> > >
> > > The public has 60 days to comment on the proposed rule. Such comments
may
> > be
> > > sent to: Proposed Rule for Designated Routes and Areas for Motor
Vehicle
> > > Use, Content Analysis Team, P.O. Box 221150, Salt Lake City, UT
> > 84122-1150.
> > > Remarks will be accepted by e-mail to or by fax to (801) 517-1014.
> > >
> > > Troyer said the individual forests and grasslands will each develop a
> > "user
> > > map," which will become the governing document of OHV use in those
areas.
> > > While some may finish defining their OHV areas in as little as a year,
> > > others could take up to four years. And the public will be allowed to
make
> > > its input known for each one.
> > >
> > > "Designated routes, local decision-making is really at the heart of
what
> > > we're trying to do," Troyer said.
> > >
> > > Bill Thompson covers county government and can be reached at 867-4117
> > >
> > > The purpose of
> > > the new proposal
> > > is to protect federal lands by preventing the proliferation
> > >
> > > of "user-created" roads and trails left by outlaw visitors taking part
in
> > > the explosion of OHV use on federal lands.
> > >
> > >
> > >

Re: no more trails say its not so
 

The actions of the few should not punish the many.

--
HarryS
JAFGBR
JAFTJO
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:40EDC3F8.B3D5B12@sympatico.ca...
> I agree with them though....
>
> There are enough old trails that making new ones to just tear up the
> place is BS.
>
> We call it 'Tread Lightly'.
>
> Areas up here in southern Canada are getting closed totally because of
> Yahoos tearing it up and littering. Way too many areas to!!!!
>
> A bunch of us from this newsgroup got together for a big clean up of one
> local area and it got messed back up so fast it is now closed. Bummer,
> it was our 'day trip' area.
>
> http://www.imagestation.com/album/?id=4291902217
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> HarryS wrote:
> >
> > Sounds like the tree Nazis have struck again.
> >
> > --
> > HarryS
> > JAFGBR
> > JAFTJO
> > "KC" <kcmidget@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
> > news:ZjcHc.17138$Bv.1740775@twister.tampabay.rr.co m...
> > > Off-roaders may be tied to trails
> > > Forest riders who go cross-country would be outlaws
> > >
> > >
> > > Published July 08. 2004 7:30AM
> > >
> > > BY BILL THOMPSON
> > > STAFF WRITER
> > >
> > >
> > > OCALA - Federal foresters proposed a new regulation on Wednesday for
> > > off-highway vehicles in national forests and grasslands in an effort
to
> > cut
> > > down on habitat destruction caused by outlaw trail riders.
> > >
> > > The proposed regulation will force 176 federal recreation areas around
the
> > > country to identify individual systems of designated trails, roads and
> > areas
> > > where motor vehicles will be allowed to travel.
> > >
> > > The bottom line for off-highway vehicle enthusiasts is that "cross
country
> > > travel won't be allowed once this rule becomes final," said Jack
Troyer,
> > > regional forester for the U.S. Forest Service's Intermountain Region
and
> > > leader of the agency team that developed the new rule.
> > >
> > > Troyer and other officials who participated in a nationwide conference
> > call
> > > announcing the rule on Wednesday acknowledged that the agency's
attempt to
> > > establish something that now doesn't exist - a consistent policy
regarding
> > > off-highway vehicles, or OHVs, that puts the Forest Service on the
same
> > page
> > > across the country - might create a ruckus in some areas where OHVs
can
> > > travel cross-country unfettered.
> > >
> > > But the announcement seems to hold little impact on Florida, home to
three
> > > national forests, including the nearly 400,000-acre Ocala National
Forest.
> > >
> > > That's because OHV trail networks were already in the works for them.
> > > Roberta Moltzen, deputy regional forester for 13 states across the
South,
> > > said agency staff in Florida will simply "keep on with what they've
been
> > > doing" in defining those areas.
> > >
> > > Denise Raines, Forest Service spokeswoman in Tallahassee, said
> > > environmental-impact guidelines, including for OHV use, have already
been
> > > set for the Osceola National Forest near Lake City.
> > >
> > > A similar document for the Ocala National Forest is expected to be
> > completed
> > > next month, although it will cover only about half of the forest. The
> > review
> > > of the rest of the forest should be finished next year.
> > >
> > > The Forest Service has already banned some OHV activity in the Ocala
> > > National Forest. In January, a rule went into effect limiting
unlicensed
> > > OHVs to daylight use only, defined as 90 minutes or less before
sunrise
> > and
> > > not later than 90 minutes after sunset.
> > >
> > > Overall, the 155 national forests and 21 federal grasslands already
have
> > > guidelines pertaining to OHV use, officials said. But those rules vary
as
> > > widely as the areas they serve.
> > >
> > > The purpose of the new proposal is to protect federal lands by
preventing
> > > the proliferation of impromptu "user-created" roads and trails left by
the
> > > small percentage of outlaw visitors taking part in the explosion of
OHV
> > use
> > > on federal lands, Troyer said.
> > >
> > > While OHV users made up only 5 percent of the total number of visitors
to
> > > national forests and grasslands in 2002, their overall numbers had
swollen
> > > from 5 million in 1972 to 36 million in 2000.
> > >
> > > OHVs include motor vehicles designed or retrofitted primarily for
> > > recreational use off road, such as minibikes, amphibious vehicles,
> > > snowmobiles, motorcycles, go-carts, motorized trail bikes and dune
> > buggies.
> > > It also includes sport utility vehicles and all-terrain vehicles.
> > >
> > > Troyer acknowledged that enforcement will be a problem, largely
because of
> > > constraints on the agency's $4 billion annual budget. But the Forest
> > Service
> > > will rely on volunteers and other users to help report violators.
> > >
> > > Raines said the current "spaghetti system of trails" in the Ocala
National
> > > Forest needs to be straightened out and structured to protect animal
> > habitat
> > > and environmentally sensitive areas and to help other visitors who
seek
> > > tranquility to enjoy the forest.
> > >
> > > The public has 60 days to comment on the proposed rule. Such comments
may
> > be
> > > sent to: Proposed Rule for Designated Routes and Areas for Motor
Vehicle
> > > Use, Content Analysis Team, P.O. Box 221150, Salt Lake City, UT
> > 84122-1150.
> > > Remarks will be accepted by e-mail to or by fax to (801) 517-1014.
> > >
> > > Troyer said the individual forests and grasslands will each develop a
> > "user
> > > map," which will become the governing document of OHV use in those
areas.
> > > While some may finish defining their OHV areas in as little as a year,
> > > others could take up to four years. And the public will be allowed to
make
> > > its input known for each one.
> > >
> > > "Designated routes, local decision-making is really at the heart of
what
> > > we're trying to do," Troyer said.
> > >
> > > Bill Thompson covers county government and can be reached at 867-4117
> > >
> > > The purpose of
> > > the new proposal
> > > is to protect federal lands by preventing the proliferation
> > >
> > > of "user-created" roads and trails left by outlaw visitors taking part
in
> > > the explosion of OHV use on federal lands.
> > >
> > >
> > >

Re: no more trails say its not so
 

The actions of the few should not punish the many.

--
HarryS
JAFGBR
JAFTJO
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:40EDC3F8.B3D5B12@sympatico.ca...
> I agree with them though....
>
> There are enough old trails that making new ones to just tear up the
> place is BS.
>
> We call it 'Tread Lightly'.
>
> Areas up here in southern Canada are getting closed totally because of
> Yahoos tearing it up and littering. Way too many areas to!!!!
>
> A bunch of us from this newsgroup got together for a big clean up of one
> local area and it got messed back up so fast it is now closed. Bummer,
> it was our 'day trip' area.
>
> http://www.imagestation.com/album/?id=4291902217
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> HarryS wrote:
> >
> > Sounds like the tree Nazis have struck again.
> >
> > --
> > HarryS
> > JAFGBR
> > JAFTJO
> > "KC" <kcmidget@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
> > news:ZjcHc.17138$Bv.1740775@twister.tampabay.rr.co m...
> > > Off-roaders may be tied to trails
> > > Forest riders who go cross-country would be outlaws
> > >
> > >
> > > Published July 08. 2004 7:30AM
> > >
> > > BY BILL THOMPSON
> > > STAFF WRITER
> > >
> > >
> > > OCALA - Federal foresters proposed a new regulation on Wednesday for
> > > off-highway vehicles in national forests and grasslands in an effort
to
> > cut
> > > down on habitat destruction caused by outlaw trail riders.
> > >
> > > The proposed regulation will force 176 federal recreation areas around
the
> > > country to identify individual systems of designated trails, roads and
> > areas
> > > where motor vehicles will be allowed to travel.
> > >
> > > The bottom line for off-highway vehicle enthusiasts is that "cross
country
> > > travel won't be allowed once this rule becomes final," said Jack
Troyer,
> > > regional forester for the U.S. Forest Service's Intermountain Region
and
> > > leader of the agency team that developed the new rule.
> > >
> > > Troyer and other officials who participated in a nationwide conference
> > call
> > > announcing the rule on Wednesday acknowledged that the agency's
attempt to
> > > establish something that now doesn't exist - a consistent policy
regarding
> > > off-highway vehicles, or OHVs, that puts the Forest Service on the
same
> > page
> > > across the country - might create a ruckus in some areas where OHVs
can
> > > travel cross-country unfettered.
> > >
> > > But the announcement seems to hold little impact on Florida, home to
three
> > > national forests, including the nearly 400,000-acre Ocala National
Forest.
> > >
> > > That's because OHV trail networks were already in the works for them.
> > > Roberta Moltzen, deputy regional forester for 13 states across the
South,
> > > said agency staff in Florida will simply "keep on with what they've
been
> > > doing" in defining those areas.
> > >
> > > Denise Raines, Forest Service spokeswoman in Tallahassee, said
> > > environmental-impact guidelines, including for OHV use, have already
been
> > > set for the Osceola National Forest near Lake City.
> > >
> > > A similar document for the Ocala National Forest is expected to be
> > completed
> > > next month, although it will cover only about half of the forest. The
> > review
> > > of the rest of the forest should be finished next year.
> > >
> > > The Forest Service has already banned some OHV activity in the Ocala
> > > National Forest. In January, a rule went into effect limiting
unlicensed
> > > OHVs to daylight use only, defined as 90 minutes or less before
sunrise
> > and
> > > not later than 90 minutes after sunset.
> > >
> > > Overall, the 155 national forests and 21 federal grasslands already
have
> > > guidelines pertaining to OHV use, officials said. But those rules vary
as
> > > widely as the areas they serve.
> > >
> > > The purpose of the new proposal is to protect federal lands by
preventing
> > > the proliferation of impromptu "user-created" roads and trails left by
the
> > > small percentage of outlaw visitors taking part in the explosion of
OHV
> > use
> > > on federal lands, Troyer said.
> > >
> > > While OHV users made up only 5 percent of the total number of visitors
to
> > > national forests and grasslands in 2002, their overall numbers had
swollen
> > > from 5 million in 1972 to 36 million in 2000.
> > >
> > > OHVs include motor vehicles designed or retrofitted primarily for
> > > recreational use off road, such as minibikes, amphibious vehicles,
> > > snowmobiles, motorcycles, go-carts, motorized trail bikes and dune
> > buggies.
> > > It also includes sport utility vehicles and all-terrain vehicles.
> > >
> > > Troyer acknowledged that enforcement will be a problem, largely
because of
> > > constraints on the agency's $4 billion annual budget. But the Forest
> > Service
> > > will rely on volunteers and other users to help report violators.
> > >
> > > Raines said the current "spaghetti system of trails" in the Ocala
National
> > > Forest needs to be straightened out and structured to protect animal
> > habitat
> > > and environmentally sensitive areas and to help other visitors who
seek
> > > tranquility to enjoy the forest.
> > >
> > > The public has 60 days to comment on the proposed rule. Such comments
may
> > be
> > > sent to: Proposed Rule for Designated Routes and Areas for Motor
Vehicle
> > > Use, Content Analysis Team, P.O. Box 221150, Salt Lake City, UT
> > 84122-1150.
> > > Remarks will be accepted by e-mail to or by fax to (801) 517-1014.
> > >
> > > Troyer said the individual forests and grasslands will each develop a
> > "user
> > > map," which will become the governing document of OHV use in those
areas.
> > > While some may finish defining their OHV areas in as little as a year,
> > > others could take up to four years. And the public will be allowed to
make
> > > its input known for each one.
> > >
> > > "Designated routes, local decision-making is really at the heart of
what
> > > we're trying to do," Troyer said.
> > >
> > > Bill Thompson covers county government and can be reached at 867-4117
> > >
> > > The purpose of
> > > the new proposal
> > > is to protect federal lands by preventing the proliferation
> > >
> > > of "user-created" roads and trails left by outlaw visitors taking part
in
> > > the explosion of OHV use on federal lands.
> > >
> > >
> > >