Re: no more trails say its not so
 

Around here the buggers use a chopper And they drive Jeeps!!!....

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Joshua Nelson wrote:
>
> i would like to see any police or national park service vehicle
> attempt to get near me, much less pull me over off-road in my lifted
> jeep - they'd be stuck in the first mud puddle or pile of pebbles
> while i leave them in the dust
>
> stupid cops

Re: no more trails say its not so
 

Around here the buggers use a chopper And they drive Jeeps!!!....

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Joshua Nelson wrote:
>
> i would like to see any police or national park service vehicle
> attempt to get near me, much less pull me over off-road in my lifted
> jeep - they'd be stuck in the first mud puddle or pile of pebbles
> while i leave them in the dust
>
> stupid cops

Re: no more trails say its not so
 

Around here the buggers use a chopper And they drive Jeeps!!!....

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Joshua Nelson wrote:
>
> i would like to see any police or national park service vehicle
> attempt to get near me, much less pull me over off-road in my lifted
> jeep - they'd be stuck in the first mud puddle or pile of pebbles
> while i leave them in the dust
>
> stupid cops

Re: no more trails say its not so
 

In Moab they are buzzing around on dirt bikes. They can cover a trail much
faster than any of the jeeps.


"Joshua Nelson" <spam_box@ev1.net> wrote in message
news:b102b6e4.0407081223.2f35614c@posting.google.c om...
> i would like to see any police or national park service vehicle
> attempt to get near me, much less pull me over off-road in my lifted
> jeep - they'd be stuck in the first mud puddle or pile of pebbles
> while i leave them in the dust
>
>
> stupid cops

Re: no more trails say its not so
 

In Moab they are buzzing around on dirt bikes. They can cover a trail much
faster than any of the jeeps.


"Joshua Nelson" <spam_box@ev1.net> wrote in message
news:b102b6e4.0407081223.2f35614c@posting.google.c om...
> i would like to see any police or national park service vehicle
> attempt to get near me, much less pull me over off-road in my lifted
> jeep - they'd be stuck in the first mud puddle or pile of pebbles
> while i leave them in the dust
>
>
> stupid cops

Re: no more trails say its not so
 

In Moab they are buzzing around on dirt bikes. They can cover a trail much
faster than any of the jeeps.


"Joshua Nelson" <spam_box@ev1.net> wrote in message
news:b102b6e4.0407081223.2f35614c@posting.google.c om...
> i would like to see any police or national park service vehicle
> attempt to get near me, much less pull me over off-road in my lifted
> jeep - they'd be stuck in the first mud puddle or pile of pebbles
> while i leave them in the dust
>
>
> stupid cops

Re: no more trails say its not so
 

In Moab they are buzzing around on dirt bikes. They can cover a trail much
faster than any of the jeeps.


"Joshua Nelson" <spam_box@ev1.net> wrote in message
news:b102b6e4.0407081223.2f35614c@posting.google.c om...
> i would like to see any police or national park service vehicle
> attempt to get near me, much less pull me over off-road in my lifted
> jeep - they'd be stuck in the first mud puddle or pile of pebbles
> while i leave them in the dust
>
>
> stupid cops

Re: no more trails say its not so
 

Sounds like the tree Nazis have struck again.

--
HarryS
JAFGBR
JAFTJO
"KC" <kcmidget@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
news:ZjcHc.17138$Bv.1740775@twister.tampabay.rr.co m...
> Off-roaders may be tied to trails
> Forest riders who go cross-country would be outlaws
>
>
> Published July 08. 2004 7:30AM
>
> BY BILL THOMPSON
> STAFF WRITER
>
>
> OCALA - Federal foresters proposed a new regulation on Wednesday for
> off-highway vehicles in national forests and grasslands in an effort to
cut
> down on habitat destruction caused by outlaw trail riders.
>
> The proposed regulation will force 176 federal recreation areas around the
> country to identify individual systems of designated trails, roads and
areas
> where motor vehicles will be allowed to travel.
>
> The bottom line for off-highway vehicle enthusiasts is that "cross country
> travel won't be allowed once this rule becomes final," said Jack Troyer,
> regional forester for the U.S. Forest Service's Intermountain Region and
> leader of the agency team that developed the new rule.
>
> Troyer and other officials who participated in a nationwide conference
call
> announcing the rule on Wednesday acknowledged that the agency's attempt to
> establish something that now doesn't exist - a consistent policy regarding
> off-highway vehicles, or OHVs, that puts the Forest Service on the same
page
> across the country - might create a ruckus in some areas where OHVs can
> travel cross-country unfettered.
>
> But the announcement seems to hold little impact on Florida, home to three
> national forests, including the nearly 400,000-acre Ocala National Forest.
>
> That's because OHV trail networks were already in the works for them.
> Roberta Moltzen, deputy regional forester for 13 states across the South,
> said agency staff in Florida will simply "keep on with what they've been
> doing" in defining those areas.
>
> Denise Raines, Forest Service spokeswoman in Tallahassee, said
> environmental-impact guidelines, including for OHV use, have already been
> set for the Osceola National Forest near Lake City.
>
> A similar document for the Ocala National Forest is expected to be
completed
> next month, although it will cover only about half of the forest. The
review
> of the rest of the forest should be finished next year.
>
> The Forest Service has already banned some OHV activity in the Ocala
> National Forest. In January, a rule went into effect limiting unlicensed
> OHVs to daylight use only, defined as 90 minutes or less before sunrise
and
> not later than 90 minutes after sunset.
>
> Overall, the 155 national forests and 21 federal grasslands already have
> guidelines pertaining to OHV use, officials said. But those rules vary as
> widely as the areas they serve.
>
> The purpose of the new proposal is to protect federal lands by preventing
> the proliferation of impromptu "user-created" roads and trails left by the
> small percentage of outlaw visitors taking part in the explosion of OHV
use
> on federal lands, Troyer said.
>
> While OHV users made up only 5 percent of the total number of visitors to
> national forests and grasslands in 2002, their overall numbers had swollen
> from 5 million in 1972 to 36 million in 2000.
>
> OHVs include motor vehicles designed or retrofitted primarily for
> recreational use off road, such as minibikes, amphibious vehicles,
> snowmobiles, motorcycles, go-carts, motorized trail bikes and dune
buggies.
> It also includes sport utility vehicles and all-terrain vehicles.
>
> Troyer acknowledged that enforcement will be a problem, largely because of
> constraints on the agency's $4 billion annual budget. But the Forest
Service
> will rely on volunteers and other users to help report violators.
>
> Raines said the current "spaghetti system of trails" in the Ocala National
> Forest needs to be straightened out and structured to protect animal
habitat
> and environmentally sensitive areas and to help other visitors who seek
> tranquility to enjoy the forest.
>
> The public has 60 days to comment on the proposed rule. Such comments may
be
> sent to: Proposed Rule for Designated Routes and Areas for Motor Vehicle
> Use, Content Analysis Team, P.O. Box 221150, Salt Lake City, UT
84122-1150.
> Remarks will be accepted by e-mail to or by fax to (801) 517-1014.
>
> Troyer said the individual forests and grasslands will each develop a
"user
> map," which will become the governing document of OHV use in those areas.
> While some may finish defining their OHV areas in as little as a year,
> others could take up to four years. And the public will be allowed to make
> its input known for each one.
>
> "Designated routes, local decision-making is really at the heart of what
> we're trying to do," Troyer said.
>
> Bill Thompson covers county government and can be reached at 867-4117
>
> The purpose of
> the new proposal
> is to protect federal lands by preventing the proliferation
>
> of "user-created" roads and trails left by outlaw visitors taking part in
> the explosion of OHV use on federal lands.
>
>
>

Re: no more trails say its not so
 

Sounds like the tree Nazis have struck again.

--
HarryS
JAFGBR
JAFTJO
"KC" <kcmidget@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
news:ZjcHc.17138$Bv.1740775@twister.tampabay.rr.co m...
> Off-roaders may be tied to trails
> Forest riders who go cross-country would be outlaws
>
>
> Published July 08. 2004 7:30AM
>
> BY BILL THOMPSON
> STAFF WRITER
>
>
> OCALA - Federal foresters proposed a new regulation on Wednesday for
> off-highway vehicles in national forests and grasslands in an effort to
cut
> down on habitat destruction caused by outlaw trail riders.
>
> The proposed regulation will force 176 federal recreation areas around the
> country to identify individual systems of designated trails, roads and
areas
> where motor vehicles will be allowed to travel.
>
> The bottom line for off-highway vehicle enthusiasts is that "cross country
> travel won't be allowed once this rule becomes final," said Jack Troyer,
> regional forester for the U.S. Forest Service's Intermountain Region and
> leader of the agency team that developed the new rule.
>
> Troyer and other officials who participated in a nationwide conference
call
> announcing the rule on Wednesday acknowledged that the agency's attempt to
> establish something that now doesn't exist - a consistent policy regarding
> off-highway vehicles, or OHVs, that puts the Forest Service on the same
page
> across the country - might create a ruckus in some areas where OHVs can
> travel cross-country unfettered.
>
> But the announcement seems to hold little impact on Florida, home to three
> national forests, including the nearly 400,000-acre Ocala National Forest.
>
> That's because OHV trail networks were already in the works for them.
> Roberta Moltzen, deputy regional forester for 13 states across the South,
> said agency staff in Florida will simply "keep on with what they've been
> doing" in defining those areas.
>
> Denise Raines, Forest Service spokeswoman in Tallahassee, said
> environmental-impact guidelines, including for OHV use, have already been
> set for the Osceola National Forest near Lake City.
>
> A similar document for the Ocala National Forest is expected to be
completed
> next month, although it will cover only about half of the forest. The
review
> of the rest of the forest should be finished next year.
>
> The Forest Service has already banned some OHV activity in the Ocala
> National Forest. In January, a rule went into effect limiting unlicensed
> OHVs to daylight use only, defined as 90 minutes or less before sunrise
and
> not later than 90 minutes after sunset.
>
> Overall, the 155 national forests and 21 federal grasslands already have
> guidelines pertaining to OHV use, officials said. But those rules vary as
> widely as the areas they serve.
>
> The purpose of the new proposal is to protect federal lands by preventing
> the proliferation of impromptu "user-created" roads and trails left by the
> small percentage of outlaw visitors taking part in the explosion of OHV
use
> on federal lands, Troyer said.
>
> While OHV users made up only 5 percent of the total number of visitors to
> national forests and grasslands in 2002, their overall numbers had swollen
> from 5 million in 1972 to 36 million in 2000.
>
> OHVs include motor vehicles designed or retrofitted primarily for
> recreational use off road, such as minibikes, amphibious vehicles,
> snowmobiles, motorcycles, go-carts, motorized trail bikes and dune
buggies.
> It also includes sport utility vehicles and all-terrain vehicles.
>
> Troyer acknowledged that enforcement will be a problem, largely because of
> constraints on the agency's $4 billion annual budget. But the Forest
Service
> will rely on volunteers and other users to help report violators.
>
> Raines said the current "spaghetti system of trails" in the Ocala National
> Forest needs to be straightened out and structured to protect animal
habitat
> and environmentally sensitive areas and to help other visitors who seek
> tranquility to enjoy the forest.
>
> The public has 60 days to comment on the proposed rule. Such comments may
be
> sent to: Proposed Rule for Designated Routes and Areas for Motor Vehicle
> Use, Content Analysis Team, P.O. Box 221150, Salt Lake City, UT
84122-1150.
> Remarks will be accepted by e-mail to or by fax to (801) 517-1014.
>
> Troyer said the individual forests and grasslands will each develop a
"user
> map," which will become the governing document of OHV use in those areas.
> While some may finish defining their OHV areas in as little as a year,
> others could take up to four years. And the public will be allowed to make
> its input known for each one.
>
> "Designated routes, local decision-making is really at the heart of what
> we're trying to do," Troyer said.
>
> Bill Thompson covers county government and can be reached at 867-4117
>
> The purpose of
> the new proposal
> is to protect federal lands by preventing the proliferation
>
> of "user-created" roads and trails left by outlaw visitors taking part in
> the explosion of OHV use on federal lands.
>
>
>

Re: no more trails say its not so
 

Sounds like the tree Nazis have struck again.

--
HarryS
JAFGBR
JAFTJO
"KC" <kcmidget@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
news:ZjcHc.17138$Bv.1740775@twister.tampabay.rr.co m...
> Off-roaders may be tied to trails
> Forest riders who go cross-country would be outlaws
>
>
> Published July 08. 2004 7:30AM
>
> BY BILL THOMPSON
> STAFF WRITER
>
>
> OCALA - Federal foresters proposed a new regulation on Wednesday for
> off-highway vehicles in national forests and grasslands in an effort to
cut
> down on habitat destruction caused by outlaw trail riders.
>
> The proposed regulation will force 176 federal recreation areas around the
> country to identify individual systems of designated trails, roads and
areas
> where motor vehicles will be allowed to travel.
>
> The bottom line for off-highway vehicle enthusiasts is that "cross country
> travel won't be allowed once this rule becomes final," said Jack Troyer,
> regional forester for the U.S. Forest Service's Intermountain Region and
> leader of the agency team that developed the new rule.
>
> Troyer and other officials who participated in a nationwide conference
call
> announcing the rule on Wednesday acknowledged that the agency's attempt to
> establish something that now doesn't exist - a consistent policy regarding
> off-highway vehicles, or OHVs, that puts the Forest Service on the same
page
> across the country - might create a ruckus in some areas where OHVs can
> travel cross-country unfettered.
>
> But the announcement seems to hold little impact on Florida, home to three
> national forests, including the nearly 400,000-acre Ocala National Forest.
>
> That's because OHV trail networks were already in the works for them.
> Roberta Moltzen, deputy regional forester for 13 states across the South,
> said agency staff in Florida will simply "keep on with what they've been
> doing" in defining those areas.
>
> Denise Raines, Forest Service spokeswoman in Tallahassee, said
> environmental-impact guidelines, including for OHV use, have already been
> set for the Osceola National Forest near Lake City.
>
> A similar document for the Ocala National Forest is expected to be
completed
> next month, although it will cover only about half of the forest. The
review
> of the rest of the forest should be finished next year.
>
> The Forest Service has already banned some OHV activity in the Ocala
> National Forest. In January, a rule went into effect limiting unlicensed
> OHVs to daylight use only, defined as 90 minutes or less before sunrise
and
> not later than 90 minutes after sunset.
>
> Overall, the 155 national forests and 21 federal grasslands already have
> guidelines pertaining to OHV use, officials said. But those rules vary as
> widely as the areas they serve.
>
> The purpose of the new proposal is to protect federal lands by preventing
> the proliferation of impromptu "user-created" roads and trails left by the
> small percentage of outlaw visitors taking part in the explosion of OHV
use
> on federal lands, Troyer said.
>
> While OHV users made up only 5 percent of the total number of visitors to
> national forests and grasslands in 2002, their overall numbers had swollen
> from 5 million in 1972 to 36 million in 2000.
>
> OHVs include motor vehicles designed or retrofitted primarily for
> recreational use off road, such as minibikes, amphibious vehicles,
> snowmobiles, motorcycles, go-carts, motorized trail bikes and dune
buggies.
> It also includes sport utility vehicles and all-terrain vehicles.
>
> Troyer acknowledged that enforcement will be a problem, largely because of
> constraints on the agency's $4 billion annual budget. But the Forest
Service
> will rely on volunteers and other users to help report violators.
>
> Raines said the current "spaghetti system of trails" in the Ocala National
> Forest needs to be straightened out and structured to protect animal
habitat
> and environmentally sensitive areas and to help other visitors who seek
> tranquility to enjoy the forest.
>
> The public has 60 days to comment on the proposed rule. Such comments may
be
> sent to: Proposed Rule for Designated Routes and Areas for Motor Vehicle
> Use, Content Analysis Team, P.O. Box 221150, Salt Lake City, UT
84122-1150.
> Remarks will be accepted by e-mail to or by fax to (801) 517-1014.
>
> Troyer said the individual forests and grasslands will each develop a
"user
> map," which will become the governing document of OHV use in those areas.
> While some may finish defining their OHV areas in as little as a year,
> others could take up to four years. And the public will be allowed to make
> its input known for each one.
>
> "Designated routes, local decision-making is really at the heart of what
> we're trying to do," Troyer said.
>
> Bill Thompson covers county government and can be reached at 867-4117
>
> The purpose of
> the new proposal
> is to protect federal lands by preventing the proliferation
>
> of "user-created" roads and trails left by outlaw visitors taking part in
> the explosion of OHV use on federal lands.
>
>
>