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The effect would be the same, if trying to see through the
windshield with that stuff.
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Joe wrote:
>
> he used rain-x on his eyes...
windshield with that stuff.
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Joe wrote:
>
> he used rain-x on his eyes...
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The effect would be the same, if trying to see through the
windshield with that stuff.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Joe wrote:
>
> he used rain-x on his eyes...
windshield with that stuff.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Joe wrote:
>
> he used rain-x on his eyes...
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The effect would be the same, if trying to see through the
windshield with that stuff.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Joe wrote:
>
> he used rain-x on his eyes...
windshield with that stuff.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Joe wrote:
>
> he used rain-x on his eyes...
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Hi Nicole,
The white line should only be in your peripheral vision, as is the
on coming headlights. You should look as far forward as you may possibly
see, and maybe a little to the right to avoid being blinded by the
light.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Nicole Mason wrote:
>
> if its just dark with no rain then im ok, the glare on the road in the rain
> makes it so i cant focus on the white line, and when my wipers go it ------s
> the water out, and creates one big glare. i think ill try to rain-x and new
> wiper blades and super clean washer fluid. i'll set up a dr's appt. and see
> what they say.. if i have night blindness at 18, i'll feel like im falling
> apart already like my jeep :) Thanks for all the input guys!
> Nicole
>
> "Valued User" <valued@user.com> wrote in message
> news:ET9Cb.29396$HH.27898@fe1.texas.rr.com...
> > What happens if its isn't raining? Can you see or no? Is it just because
> > there are a million bubbles on your windshield causing you to essentially
> > look at a very bright washed out windshield? I like rainx myself. It makes
> > my crappy wipers work a little better and throw the water off instead of
> > smearing it all over my windshield.
> >
> > If you're unsure about rainx (and this is the first time I've heard about
> > anyone complaining about it) then put it on the passenger's side of the
> > windshield and have a friend drive your jeep around at night when its
> > raining with you in the passenger seat and judge for yourself if it will
> > work.
> >
> > Take a multvitamin every day unless you have a medical reason not to.
> > Certain drugs will make you sensitive to light and decrease your night
> > vision in general. Talk to your doctor about 'em if you're taking any.
> >
> >
> > "Nicole Mason" <nicolemason@adelphia.net> wrote in message
> > news:248Cb.12417$uq1.1449365@news3.news.adelphia.n et...
> > > hey everyone,
> > > when im driving home at night, and its raining, i cant see after
> > another
> > > car has passed. i live out in the woods, but get on a route to get
> there,
> > so
> > > its a 50 mph speed limit, and some curvy roads. with all the rain theres
> a
> > > big glare on my windshield, and for a second or too after the other car
> > > passes, i cant see anything, which is scary. i slow down, but it doesnt
> > help
> > > much. Is it because my Tj's windshield doesnt have much slant, or
> > something
> > > else? how can i help this? rain-x, would fog lights help? thanks for any
> > > input!
> > > Nicole
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
The white line should only be in your peripheral vision, as is the
on coming headlights. You should look as far forward as you may possibly
see, and maybe a little to the right to avoid being blinded by the
light.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Nicole Mason wrote:
>
> if its just dark with no rain then im ok, the glare on the road in the rain
> makes it so i cant focus on the white line, and when my wipers go it ------s
> the water out, and creates one big glare. i think ill try to rain-x and new
> wiper blades and super clean washer fluid. i'll set up a dr's appt. and see
> what they say.. if i have night blindness at 18, i'll feel like im falling
> apart already like my jeep :) Thanks for all the input guys!
> Nicole
>
> "Valued User" <valued@user.com> wrote in message
> news:ET9Cb.29396$HH.27898@fe1.texas.rr.com...
> > What happens if its isn't raining? Can you see or no? Is it just because
> > there are a million bubbles on your windshield causing you to essentially
> > look at a very bright washed out windshield? I like rainx myself. It makes
> > my crappy wipers work a little better and throw the water off instead of
> > smearing it all over my windshield.
> >
> > If you're unsure about rainx (and this is the first time I've heard about
> > anyone complaining about it) then put it on the passenger's side of the
> > windshield and have a friend drive your jeep around at night when its
> > raining with you in the passenger seat and judge for yourself if it will
> > work.
> >
> > Take a multvitamin every day unless you have a medical reason not to.
> > Certain drugs will make you sensitive to light and decrease your night
> > vision in general. Talk to your doctor about 'em if you're taking any.
> >
> >
> > "Nicole Mason" <nicolemason@adelphia.net> wrote in message
> > news:248Cb.12417$uq1.1449365@news3.news.adelphia.n et...
> > > hey everyone,
> > > when im driving home at night, and its raining, i cant see after
> > another
> > > car has passed. i live out in the woods, but get on a route to get
> there,
> > so
> > > its a 50 mph speed limit, and some curvy roads. with all the rain theres
> a
> > > big glare on my windshield, and for a second or too after the other car
> > > passes, i cant see anything, which is scary. i slow down, but it doesnt
> > help
> > > much. Is it because my Tj's windshield doesnt have much slant, or
> > something
> > > else? how can i help this? rain-x, would fog lights help? thanks for any
> > > input!
> > > Nicole
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
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Hi Nicole,
The white line should only be in your peripheral vision, as is the
on coming headlights. You should look as far forward as you may possibly
see, and maybe a little to the right to avoid being blinded by the
light.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Nicole Mason wrote:
>
> if its just dark with no rain then im ok, the glare on the road in the rain
> makes it so i cant focus on the white line, and when my wipers go it ------s
> the water out, and creates one big glare. i think ill try to rain-x and new
> wiper blades and super clean washer fluid. i'll set up a dr's appt. and see
> what they say.. if i have night blindness at 18, i'll feel like im falling
> apart already like my jeep :) Thanks for all the input guys!
> Nicole
>
> "Valued User" <valued@user.com> wrote in message
> news:ET9Cb.29396$HH.27898@fe1.texas.rr.com...
> > What happens if its isn't raining? Can you see or no? Is it just because
> > there are a million bubbles on your windshield causing you to essentially
> > look at a very bright washed out windshield? I like rainx myself. It makes
> > my crappy wipers work a little better and throw the water off instead of
> > smearing it all over my windshield.
> >
> > If you're unsure about rainx (and this is the first time I've heard about
> > anyone complaining about it) then put it on the passenger's side of the
> > windshield and have a friend drive your jeep around at night when its
> > raining with you in the passenger seat and judge for yourself if it will
> > work.
> >
> > Take a multvitamin every day unless you have a medical reason not to.
> > Certain drugs will make you sensitive to light and decrease your night
> > vision in general. Talk to your doctor about 'em if you're taking any.
> >
> >
> > "Nicole Mason" <nicolemason@adelphia.net> wrote in message
> > news:248Cb.12417$uq1.1449365@news3.news.adelphia.n et...
> > > hey everyone,
> > > when im driving home at night, and its raining, i cant see after
> > another
> > > car has passed. i live out in the woods, but get on a route to get
> there,
> > so
> > > its a 50 mph speed limit, and some curvy roads. with all the rain theres
> a
> > > big glare on my windshield, and for a second or too after the other car
> > > passes, i cant see anything, which is scary. i slow down, but it doesnt
> > help
> > > much. Is it because my Tj's windshield doesnt have much slant, or
> > something
> > > else? how can i help this? rain-x, would fog lights help? thanks for any
> > > input!
> > > Nicole
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
The white line should only be in your peripheral vision, as is the
on coming headlights. You should look as far forward as you may possibly
see, and maybe a little to the right to avoid being blinded by the
light.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Nicole Mason wrote:
>
> if its just dark with no rain then im ok, the glare on the road in the rain
> makes it so i cant focus on the white line, and when my wipers go it ------s
> the water out, and creates one big glare. i think ill try to rain-x and new
> wiper blades and super clean washer fluid. i'll set up a dr's appt. and see
> what they say.. if i have night blindness at 18, i'll feel like im falling
> apart already like my jeep :) Thanks for all the input guys!
> Nicole
>
> "Valued User" <valued@user.com> wrote in message
> news:ET9Cb.29396$HH.27898@fe1.texas.rr.com...
> > What happens if its isn't raining? Can you see or no? Is it just because
> > there are a million bubbles on your windshield causing you to essentially
> > look at a very bright washed out windshield? I like rainx myself. It makes
> > my crappy wipers work a little better and throw the water off instead of
> > smearing it all over my windshield.
> >
> > If you're unsure about rainx (and this is the first time I've heard about
> > anyone complaining about it) then put it on the passenger's side of the
> > windshield and have a friend drive your jeep around at night when its
> > raining with you in the passenger seat and judge for yourself if it will
> > work.
> >
> > Take a multvitamin every day unless you have a medical reason not to.
> > Certain drugs will make you sensitive to light and decrease your night
> > vision in general. Talk to your doctor about 'em if you're taking any.
> >
> >
> > "Nicole Mason" <nicolemason@adelphia.net> wrote in message
> > news:248Cb.12417$uq1.1449365@news3.news.adelphia.n et...
> > > hey everyone,
> > > when im driving home at night, and its raining, i cant see after
> > another
> > > car has passed. i live out in the woods, but get on a route to get
> there,
> > so
> > > its a 50 mph speed limit, and some curvy roads. with all the rain theres
> a
> > > big glare on my windshield, and for a second or too after the other car
> > > passes, i cant see anything, which is scary. i slow down, but it doesnt
> > help
> > > much. Is it because my Tj's windshield doesnt have much slant, or
> > something
> > > else? how can i help this? rain-x, would fog lights help? thanks for any
> > > input!
> > > Nicole
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
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Hi Nicole,
The white line should only be in your peripheral vision, as is the
on coming headlights. You should look as far forward as you may possibly
see, and maybe a little to the right to avoid being blinded by the
light.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Nicole Mason wrote:
>
> if its just dark with no rain then im ok, the glare on the road in the rain
> makes it so i cant focus on the white line, and when my wipers go it ------s
> the water out, and creates one big glare. i think ill try to rain-x and new
> wiper blades and super clean washer fluid. i'll set up a dr's appt. and see
> what they say.. if i have night blindness at 18, i'll feel like im falling
> apart already like my jeep :) Thanks for all the input guys!
> Nicole
>
> "Valued User" <valued@user.com> wrote in message
> news:ET9Cb.29396$HH.27898@fe1.texas.rr.com...
> > What happens if its isn't raining? Can you see or no? Is it just because
> > there are a million bubbles on your windshield causing you to essentially
> > look at a very bright washed out windshield? I like rainx myself. It makes
> > my crappy wipers work a little better and throw the water off instead of
> > smearing it all over my windshield.
> >
> > If you're unsure about rainx (and this is the first time I've heard about
> > anyone complaining about it) then put it on the passenger's side of the
> > windshield and have a friend drive your jeep around at night when its
> > raining with you in the passenger seat and judge for yourself if it will
> > work.
> >
> > Take a multvitamin every day unless you have a medical reason not to.
> > Certain drugs will make you sensitive to light and decrease your night
> > vision in general. Talk to your doctor about 'em if you're taking any.
> >
> >
> > "Nicole Mason" <nicolemason@adelphia.net> wrote in message
> > news:248Cb.12417$uq1.1449365@news3.news.adelphia.n et...
> > > hey everyone,
> > > when im driving home at night, and its raining, i cant see after
> > another
> > > car has passed. i live out in the woods, but get on a route to get
> there,
> > so
> > > its a 50 mph speed limit, and some curvy roads. with all the rain theres
> a
> > > big glare on my windshield, and for a second or too after the other car
> > > passes, i cant see anything, which is scary. i slow down, but it doesnt
> > help
> > > much. Is it because my Tj's windshield doesnt have much slant, or
> > something
> > > else? how can i help this? rain-x, would fog lights help? thanks for any
> > > input!
> > > Nicole
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
The white line should only be in your peripheral vision, as is the
on coming headlights. You should look as far forward as you may possibly
see, and maybe a little to the right to avoid being blinded by the
light.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Nicole Mason wrote:
>
> if its just dark with no rain then im ok, the glare on the road in the rain
> makes it so i cant focus on the white line, and when my wipers go it ------s
> the water out, and creates one big glare. i think ill try to rain-x and new
> wiper blades and super clean washer fluid. i'll set up a dr's appt. and see
> what they say.. if i have night blindness at 18, i'll feel like im falling
> apart already like my jeep :) Thanks for all the input guys!
> Nicole
>
> "Valued User" <valued@user.com> wrote in message
> news:ET9Cb.29396$HH.27898@fe1.texas.rr.com...
> > What happens if its isn't raining? Can you see or no? Is it just because
> > there are a million bubbles on your windshield causing you to essentially
> > look at a very bright washed out windshield? I like rainx myself. It makes
> > my crappy wipers work a little better and throw the water off instead of
> > smearing it all over my windshield.
> >
> > If you're unsure about rainx (and this is the first time I've heard about
> > anyone complaining about it) then put it on the passenger's side of the
> > windshield and have a friend drive your jeep around at night when its
> > raining with you in the passenger seat and judge for yourself if it will
> > work.
> >
> > Take a multvitamin every day unless you have a medical reason not to.
> > Certain drugs will make you sensitive to light and decrease your night
> > vision in general. Talk to your doctor about 'em if you're taking any.
> >
> >
> > "Nicole Mason" <nicolemason@adelphia.net> wrote in message
> > news:248Cb.12417$uq1.1449365@news3.news.adelphia.n et...
> > > hey everyone,
> > > when im driving home at night, and its raining, i cant see after
> > another
> > > car has passed. i live out in the woods, but get on a route to get
> there,
> > so
> > > its a 50 mph speed limit, and some curvy roads. with all the rain theres
> a
> > > big glare on my windshield, and for a second or too after the other car
> > > passes, i cant see anything, which is scary. i slow down, but it doesnt
> > help
> > > much. Is it because my Tj's windshield doesnt have much slant, or
> > something
> > > else? how can i help this? rain-x, would fog lights help? thanks for any
> > > input!
> > > Nicole
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
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On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 21:07:11 -0600, "DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote:
>>Nicole Mason did pass the time by typing:
>>> if its just dark with no rain then im ok, the glare on the road in the rain
>>> makes it so i cant focus on the white line, and when my wipers go it ------s
>>> the water out, and creates one big glare. i think ill try to rain-x and new
>>> wiper blades and super clean washer fluid. i'll set up a dr's appt. and see
>>> what they say.. if i have night blindness at 18, i'll feel like im falling
>>> apart already like my jeep :) Thanks for all the input guys!
>>
>>Good wipers shouldn't ------ the water at all except maby round the edges
>>a bit. Your wipers are hard/old.
>>
>>If you had night blindness ordinary night driving would affect you.
>>
>>One thing that can help is clear polarized driving glasses. They eliminate
>>oncomming glare and make it easier to see for some.
Orange (Amber) lenses will also help with the glare in rain, ice, and snow. I always
carry mine in the Jeep for just that reason. I have problems seeing if its really
wet and there is a lot of traffic - its the glare from the lights that is the
problem. Deffinitely try new wiper blades.
>>Nicole Mason did pass the time by typing:
>>> if its just dark with no rain then im ok, the glare on the road in the rain
>>> makes it so i cant focus on the white line, and when my wipers go it ------s
>>> the water out, and creates one big glare. i think ill try to rain-x and new
>>> wiper blades and super clean washer fluid. i'll set up a dr's appt. and see
>>> what they say.. if i have night blindness at 18, i'll feel like im falling
>>> apart already like my jeep :) Thanks for all the input guys!
>>
>>Good wipers shouldn't ------ the water at all except maby round the edges
>>a bit. Your wipers are hard/old.
>>
>>If you had night blindness ordinary night driving would affect you.
>>
>>One thing that can help is clear polarized driving glasses. They eliminate
>>oncomming glare and make it easier to see for some.
Orange (Amber) lenses will also help with the glare in rain, ice, and snow. I always
carry mine in the Jeep for just that reason. I have problems seeing if its really
wet and there is a lot of traffic - its the glare from the lights that is the
problem. Deffinitely try new wiper blades.
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On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 21:07:11 -0600, "DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote:
>>Nicole Mason did pass the time by typing:
>>> if its just dark with no rain then im ok, the glare on the road in the rain
>>> makes it so i cant focus on the white line, and when my wipers go it ------s
>>> the water out, and creates one big glare. i think ill try to rain-x and new
>>> wiper blades and super clean washer fluid. i'll set up a dr's appt. and see
>>> what they say.. if i have night blindness at 18, i'll feel like im falling
>>> apart already like my jeep :) Thanks for all the input guys!
>>
>>Good wipers shouldn't ------ the water at all except maby round the edges
>>a bit. Your wipers are hard/old.
>>
>>If you had night blindness ordinary night driving would affect you.
>>
>>One thing that can help is clear polarized driving glasses. They eliminate
>>oncomming glare and make it easier to see for some.
Orange (Amber) lenses will also help with the glare in rain, ice, and snow. I always
carry mine in the Jeep for just that reason. I have problems seeing if its really
wet and there is a lot of traffic - its the glare from the lights that is the
problem. Deffinitely try new wiper blades.
>>Nicole Mason did pass the time by typing:
>>> if its just dark with no rain then im ok, the glare on the road in the rain
>>> makes it so i cant focus on the white line, and when my wipers go it ------s
>>> the water out, and creates one big glare. i think ill try to rain-x and new
>>> wiper blades and super clean washer fluid. i'll set up a dr's appt. and see
>>> what they say.. if i have night blindness at 18, i'll feel like im falling
>>> apart already like my jeep :) Thanks for all the input guys!
>>
>>Good wipers shouldn't ------ the water at all except maby round the edges
>>a bit. Your wipers are hard/old.
>>
>>If you had night blindness ordinary night driving would affect you.
>>
>>One thing that can help is clear polarized driving glasses. They eliminate
>>oncomming glare and make it easier to see for some.
Orange (Amber) lenses will also help with the glare in rain, ice, and snow. I always
carry mine in the Jeep for just that reason. I have problems seeing if its really
wet and there is a lot of traffic - its the glare from the lights that is the
problem. Deffinitely try new wiper blades.
Guest
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On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 21:07:11 -0600, "DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote:
>>Nicole Mason did pass the time by typing:
>>> if its just dark with no rain then im ok, the glare on the road in the rain
>>> makes it so i cant focus on the white line, and when my wipers go it ------s
>>> the water out, and creates one big glare. i think ill try to rain-x and new
>>> wiper blades and super clean washer fluid. i'll set up a dr's appt. and see
>>> what they say.. if i have night blindness at 18, i'll feel like im falling
>>> apart already like my jeep :) Thanks for all the input guys!
>>
>>Good wipers shouldn't ------ the water at all except maby round the edges
>>a bit. Your wipers are hard/old.
>>
>>If you had night blindness ordinary night driving would affect you.
>>
>>One thing that can help is clear polarized driving glasses. They eliminate
>>oncomming glare and make it easier to see for some.
Orange (Amber) lenses will also help with the glare in rain, ice, and snow. I always
carry mine in the Jeep for just that reason. I have problems seeing if its really
wet and there is a lot of traffic - its the glare from the lights that is the
problem. Deffinitely try new wiper blades.
>>Nicole Mason did pass the time by typing:
>>> if its just dark with no rain then im ok, the glare on the road in the rain
>>> makes it so i cant focus on the white line, and when my wipers go it ------s
>>> the water out, and creates one big glare. i think ill try to rain-x and new
>>> wiper blades and super clean washer fluid. i'll set up a dr's appt. and see
>>> what they say.. if i have night blindness at 18, i'll feel like im falling
>>> apart already like my jeep :) Thanks for all the input guys!
>>
>>Good wipers shouldn't ------ the water at all except maby round the edges
>>a bit. Your wipers are hard/old.
>>
>>If you had night blindness ordinary night driving would affect you.
>>
>>One thing that can help is clear polarized driving glasses. They eliminate
>>oncomming glare and make it easier to see for some.
Orange (Amber) lenses will also help with the glare in rain, ice, and snow. I always
carry mine in the Jeep for just that reason. I have problems seeing if its really
wet and there is a lot of traffic - its the glare from the lights that is the
problem. Deffinitely try new wiper blades.
Guest
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On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 01:07:25 GMT, "Nathan Collier"
<JeepMail@7SlotGrille.com> wrote:
>"Nicole Mason" <nicolemason@adelphia.net> wrote in message
>news:248Cb.12417$uq1.1449365@news3.news.adelphia. net...
>> for a second or too after the other car
>> passes, i cant see anything, which is scary. i slow down, but it doesnt
>help
>
>hi nicole,
>i have the same problem, and always associated it with a mild form of night
>blindness. that may not be the case at all, but when an oncoming car gets
>on me the reflection of the lights on my wet windshield totally blinds me
>for a second. the only thing ive found that helps is to stay at home when
>its raining, which isnt a real option. if you do find a solution that
>actually works, please share it.
LOL Nathan, too funny.... my night vision is lacking, too. And can't
see ---- in the Jeep sometimes (like Nicole mentions) in heavy rains,
no matter how new my wipers are (although I'm fine in the wife's Neon,
so there really *IS* something specific to the Jeep in this I think).
Just reminded me of one of the reasons I ended up being a 60-gunner at
Bragg... they started me as a driver (we had Jeeps still at this time,
switched to Hummers half way thru my enlistment), and I was driving
using blackouts (no goggles). Drove the Jeep right into a ditch, and
pretty much threw the guy currently manning the 60 out of the vehicle.
We got out OK, but as I was climbing back into the driver's seat,
Sergeant said, 'Moller, get on the 60'. Match made in heaven after
that hehehehe.
Anyway, back to the original post... one thing I have noticed is that
the stock headlights are very weak IMO. Maybe try some type of Halogen
replacement?
Dave
http://mysite.verizon.net/res0p2es/david/index.htm
<JeepMail@7SlotGrille.com> wrote:
>"Nicole Mason" <nicolemason@adelphia.net> wrote in message
>news:248Cb.12417$uq1.1449365@news3.news.adelphia. net...
>> for a second or too after the other car
>> passes, i cant see anything, which is scary. i slow down, but it doesnt
>help
>
>hi nicole,
>i have the same problem, and always associated it with a mild form of night
>blindness. that may not be the case at all, but when an oncoming car gets
>on me the reflection of the lights on my wet windshield totally blinds me
>for a second. the only thing ive found that helps is to stay at home when
>its raining, which isnt a real option. if you do find a solution that
>actually works, please share it.
LOL Nathan, too funny.... my night vision is lacking, too. And can't
see ---- in the Jeep sometimes (like Nicole mentions) in heavy rains,
no matter how new my wipers are (although I'm fine in the wife's Neon,
so there really *IS* something specific to the Jeep in this I think).
Just reminded me of one of the reasons I ended up being a 60-gunner at
Bragg... they started me as a driver (we had Jeeps still at this time,
switched to Hummers half way thru my enlistment), and I was driving
using blackouts (no goggles). Drove the Jeep right into a ditch, and
pretty much threw the guy currently manning the 60 out of the vehicle.
We got out OK, but as I was climbing back into the driver's seat,
Sergeant said, 'Moller, get on the 60'. Match made in heaven after
that hehehehe.
Anyway, back to the original post... one thing I have noticed is that
the stock headlights are very weak IMO. Maybe try some type of Halogen
replacement?
Dave
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