Newbie Questions
01-06-2004, 03:29 PM
#41
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Re: Newbie Questions (going OT)
"JimG" <jimg@cj7_2muchspam.com> wrote in message
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> CRWLR wrote:
>
> > 25:1 is a richer mixture than 50:1
>
> richer in oil? yes
>
Yes. 25 parts of gas per each part of oil as opposed to 50 parts of gas per
each part of oil.
> > If you have a 25:1 fuel ratio, then you
> > have twice as much gas as compared to the 50:1 ratio that you suggested.
>
> Using the following formula: X oz gas. / ratio = Y oz. oil
> Based on:
> http://www.csgnetwork.com/oilfuelcalc.html
>
> If I want a 50:1 mixture, then I add 125.5 ounces of gas and 2.5 ounces of
> oil.
Actually, the number is 125, not 125.5
> If I want a 25:1 mixture, then I add 123.0 ounces of gas and 5.0 ounces of
> oil.
This is 62.5 ounces of gas to the same 2.5 ounces of oil, or 123 to 5 would
be the same.
> (numbers rounded for simplicity)
>
> Total = 128 oz. or 1 gal.
>
> Which mixture has a higher ratio of gas?
>
The 50:1 has more gas by double.
You can make this easier ...
Add 25 quarts of gas to 1 quart of oil to have a 25:1 ratio, or add 50
quarts of gas to 1 quart of oil to have a 50:1 ratio.
01-06-2004, 03:29 PM
#42
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Re: Newbie Questions (going OT)
"JimG" <jimg@cj7_2muchspam.com> wrote in message
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> CRWLR wrote:
>
> > 25:1 is a richer mixture than 50:1
>
> richer in oil? yes
>
Yes. 25 parts of gas per each part of oil as opposed to 50 parts of gas per
each part of oil.
> > If you have a 25:1 fuel ratio, then you
> > have twice as much gas as compared to the 50:1 ratio that you suggested.
>
> Using the following formula: X oz gas. / ratio = Y oz. oil
> Based on:
> http://www.csgnetwork.com/oilfuelcalc.html
>
> If I want a 50:1 mixture, then I add 125.5 ounces of gas and 2.5 ounces of
> oil.
Actually, the number is 125, not 125.5
> If I want a 25:1 mixture, then I add 123.0 ounces of gas and 5.0 ounces of
> oil.
This is 62.5 ounces of gas to the same 2.5 ounces of oil, or 123 to 5 would
be the same.
> (numbers rounded for simplicity)
>
> Total = 128 oz. or 1 gal.
>
> Which mixture has a higher ratio of gas?
>
The 50:1 has more gas by double.
You can make this easier ...
Add 25 quarts of gas to 1 quart of oil to have a 25:1 ratio, or add 50
quarts of gas to 1 quart of oil to have a 50:1 ratio.
01-06-2004, 03:29 PM
#43
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Re: Newbie Questions (going OT)
"JimG" <jimg@cj7_2muchspam.com> wrote in message
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> CRWLR wrote:
>
> > 25:1 is a richer mixture than 50:1
>
> richer in oil? yes
>
Yes. 25 parts of gas per each part of oil as opposed to 50 parts of gas per
each part of oil.
> > If you have a 25:1 fuel ratio, then you
> > have twice as much gas as compared to the 50:1 ratio that you suggested.
>
> Using the following formula: X oz gas. / ratio = Y oz. oil
> Based on:
> http://www.csgnetwork.com/oilfuelcalc.html
>
> If I want a 50:1 mixture, then I add 125.5 ounces of gas and 2.5 ounces of
> oil.
Actually, the number is 125, not 125.5
> If I want a 25:1 mixture, then I add 123.0 ounces of gas and 5.0 ounces of
> oil.
This is 62.5 ounces of gas to the same 2.5 ounces of oil, or 123 to 5 would
be the same.
> (numbers rounded for simplicity)
>
> Total = 128 oz. or 1 gal.
>
> Which mixture has a higher ratio of gas?
>
The 50:1 has more gas by double.
You can make this easier ...
Add 25 quarts of gas to 1 quart of oil to have a 25:1 ratio, or add 50
quarts of gas to 1 quart of oil to have a 50:1 ratio.
01-06-2004, 03:36 PM
#44
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Re: Newbie Questions
A 50:1 mixture is 50 parts of gas for each part of oil. A 25:1 mixture is 25
parts of gas for each part of oil. Given the same amount of oil, there is
twice as much gas in the 50:1 mixture. Or, given the same amount of gas,
there is less oil in the 50:1 mixture.
The discussion is about gear ratios, and the gas mixture was thrown in to
illustrate gearing questions. I only pointed out that the fuel mixture
analogy is flawed when used to illustrate gearing issues.
Gears are a lower when the numbers used to express them are numerically
higher, gas is "thinner" when the oil/fuel mixture numbers go up.
"-jc" <SpamFree@DieSpammers.com> wrote in message
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> "CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote
> >
> > Your fuel analogy is flawed. 25:1 is a richer mixture than 50:1, but
50:1
> > gears are easier to turn than 25:1. (not that this would be a very
useful
> > gear ratio for an automobile).
> >
> > In the fuel ratio, you are using 25 parts of gas for each part of oil,
or
> 50
> > parts of gas for each part of oil. If you have a 25:1 fuel ratio, then
you
> > have twice as much gas as compared to the 50:1 ratio that you suggested.
>
> Bzzzzt ... wrong answer. 50:1 is a richer mixture. Think of what burns
in
> the combustion chamber ... fuel and air. The oil is for lubrication and
> cooling and doesn't burn. 50 parts fuel to 1 part oil results in more
fuel
> being delivered when compared to 25:1. You will have to lean out your
> jetting to accommodate running at 50:1.
>
>
> --
> - Jeff
> - ........................ then again, what do I know.
>
>
parts of gas for each part of oil. Given the same amount of oil, there is
twice as much gas in the 50:1 mixture. Or, given the same amount of gas,
there is less oil in the 50:1 mixture.
The discussion is about gear ratios, and the gas mixture was thrown in to
illustrate gearing questions. I only pointed out that the fuel mixture
analogy is flawed when used to illustrate gearing issues.
Gears are a lower when the numbers used to express them are numerically
higher, gas is "thinner" when the oil/fuel mixture numbers go up.
"-jc" <SpamFree@DieSpammers.com> wrote in message
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> "CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote
> >
> > Your fuel analogy is flawed. 25:1 is a richer mixture than 50:1, but
50:1
> > gears are easier to turn than 25:1. (not that this would be a very
useful
> > gear ratio for an automobile).
> >
> > In the fuel ratio, you are using 25 parts of gas for each part of oil,
or
> 50
> > parts of gas for each part of oil. If you have a 25:1 fuel ratio, then
you
> > have twice as much gas as compared to the 50:1 ratio that you suggested.
>
> Bzzzzt ... wrong answer. 50:1 is a richer mixture. Think of what burns
in
> the combustion chamber ... fuel and air. The oil is for lubrication and
> cooling and doesn't burn. 50 parts fuel to 1 part oil results in more
fuel
> being delivered when compared to 25:1. You will have to lean out your
> jetting to accommodate running at 50:1.
>
>
> --
> - Jeff
> - ........................ then again, what do I know.
>
>
01-06-2004, 03:36 PM
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Re: Newbie Questions
A 50:1 mixture is 50 parts of gas for each part of oil. A 25:1 mixture is 25
parts of gas for each part of oil. Given the same amount of oil, there is
twice as much gas in the 50:1 mixture. Or, given the same amount of gas,
there is less oil in the 50:1 mixture.
The discussion is about gear ratios, and the gas mixture was thrown in to
illustrate gearing questions. I only pointed out that the fuel mixture
analogy is flawed when used to illustrate gearing issues.
Gears are a lower when the numbers used to express them are numerically
higher, gas is "thinner" when the oil/fuel mixture numbers go up.
"-jc" <SpamFree@DieSpammers.com> wrote in message
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> "CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote
> >
> > Your fuel analogy is flawed. 25:1 is a richer mixture than 50:1, but
50:1
> > gears are easier to turn than 25:1. (not that this would be a very
useful
> > gear ratio for an automobile).
> >
> > In the fuel ratio, you are using 25 parts of gas for each part of oil,
or
> 50
> > parts of gas for each part of oil. If you have a 25:1 fuel ratio, then
you
> > have twice as much gas as compared to the 50:1 ratio that you suggested.
>
> Bzzzzt ... wrong answer. 50:1 is a richer mixture. Think of what burns
in
> the combustion chamber ... fuel and air. The oil is for lubrication and
> cooling and doesn't burn. 50 parts fuel to 1 part oil results in more
fuel
> being delivered when compared to 25:1. You will have to lean out your
> jetting to accommodate running at 50:1.
>
>
> --
> - Jeff
> - ........................ then again, what do I know.
>
>
parts of gas for each part of oil. Given the same amount of oil, there is
twice as much gas in the 50:1 mixture. Or, given the same amount of gas,
there is less oil in the 50:1 mixture.
The discussion is about gear ratios, and the gas mixture was thrown in to
illustrate gearing questions. I only pointed out that the fuel mixture
analogy is flawed when used to illustrate gearing issues.
Gears are a lower when the numbers used to express them are numerically
higher, gas is "thinner" when the oil/fuel mixture numbers go up.
"-jc" <SpamFree@DieSpammers.com> wrote in message
news:btcut2$7qh$1@heap.juniper.net...
> "CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote
> >
> > Your fuel analogy is flawed. 25:1 is a richer mixture than 50:1, but
50:1
> > gears are easier to turn than 25:1. (not that this would be a very
useful
> > gear ratio for an automobile).
> >
> > In the fuel ratio, you are using 25 parts of gas for each part of oil,
or
> 50
> > parts of gas for each part of oil. If you have a 25:1 fuel ratio, then
you
> > have twice as much gas as compared to the 50:1 ratio that you suggested.
>
> Bzzzzt ... wrong answer. 50:1 is a richer mixture. Think of what burns
in
> the combustion chamber ... fuel and air. The oil is for lubrication and
> cooling and doesn't burn. 50 parts fuel to 1 part oil results in more
fuel
> being delivered when compared to 25:1. You will have to lean out your
> jetting to accommodate running at 50:1.
>
>
> --
> - Jeff
> - ........................ then again, what do I know.
>
>
01-06-2004, 03:36 PM
#46
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Re: Newbie Questions
A 50:1 mixture is 50 parts of gas for each part of oil. A 25:1 mixture is 25
parts of gas for each part of oil. Given the same amount of oil, there is
twice as much gas in the 50:1 mixture. Or, given the same amount of gas,
there is less oil in the 50:1 mixture.
The discussion is about gear ratios, and the gas mixture was thrown in to
illustrate gearing questions. I only pointed out that the fuel mixture
analogy is flawed when used to illustrate gearing issues.
Gears are a lower when the numbers used to express them are numerically
higher, gas is "thinner" when the oil/fuel mixture numbers go up.
"-jc" <SpamFree@DieSpammers.com> wrote in message
news:btcut2$7qh$1@heap.juniper.net...
> "CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote
> >
> > Your fuel analogy is flawed. 25:1 is a richer mixture than 50:1, but
50:1
> > gears are easier to turn than 25:1. (not that this would be a very
useful
> > gear ratio for an automobile).
> >
> > In the fuel ratio, you are using 25 parts of gas for each part of oil,
or
> 50
> > parts of gas for each part of oil. If you have a 25:1 fuel ratio, then
you
> > have twice as much gas as compared to the 50:1 ratio that you suggested.
>
> Bzzzzt ... wrong answer. 50:1 is a richer mixture. Think of what burns
in
> the combustion chamber ... fuel and air. The oil is for lubrication and
> cooling and doesn't burn. 50 parts fuel to 1 part oil results in more
fuel
> being delivered when compared to 25:1. You will have to lean out your
> jetting to accommodate running at 50:1.
>
>
> --
> - Jeff
> - ........................ then again, what do I know.
>
>
parts of gas for each part of oil. Given the same amount of oil, there is
twice as much gas in the 50:1 mixture. Or, given the same amount of gas,
there is less oil in the 50:1 mixture.
The discussion is about gear ratios, and the gas mixture was thrown in to
illustrate gearing questions. I only pointed out that the fuel mixture
analogy is flawed when used to illustrate gearing issues.
Gears are a lower when the numbers used to express them are numerically
higher, gas is "thinner" when the oil/fuel mixture numbers go up.
"-jc" <SpamFree@DieSpammers.com> wrote in message
news:btcut2$7qh$1@heap.juniper.net...
> "CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote
> >
> > Your fuel analogy is flawed. 25:1 is a richer mixture than 50:1, but
50:1
> > gears are easier to turn than 25:1. (not that this would be a very
useful
> > gear ratio for an automobile).
> >
> > In the fuel ratio, you are using 25 parts of gas for each part of oil,
or
> 50
> > parts of gas for each part of oil. If you have a 25:1 fuel ratio, then
you
> > have twice as much gas as compared to the 50:1 ratio that you suggested.
>
> Bzzzzt ... wrong answer. 50:1 is a richer mixture. Think of what burns
in
> the combustion chamber ... fuel and air. The oil is for lubrication and
> cooling and doesn't burn. 50 parts fuel to 1 part oil results in more
fuel
> being delivered when compared to 25:1. You will have to lean out your
> jetting to accommodate running at 50:1.
>
>
> --
> - Jeff
> - ........................ then again, what do I know.
>
>
01-06-2004, 04:12 PM
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Re: Newbie Questions
"CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote
> "-jc" wrote
> > "CRWLR" wrote
> > >
> > > Your fuel analogy is flawed. 25:1 is a richer mixture than 50:1,
>
> > Bzzzzt ... wrong answer. 50:1 is a richer mixture. Think of what burns
> in
> > the combustion chamber ... fuel and air. The oil is for lubrication and
> > cooling and doesn't burn. 50 parts fuel to 1 part oil results in more
> fuel
> > being delivered when compared to 25:1. You will have to lean out your
> > jetting to accommodate running at 50:1.
>
> The discussion is about gear ratios, and the gas mixture was thrown in to
> illustrate gearing questions. I only pointed out that the fuel mixture
> analogy is flawed when used to illustrate gearing issues.
And I only pointed out your misstatement. Regardless of the earlier
discussion, 50:1 is richer than 25:1.
--
- Jeff
- ........................ then again, what do I know.
> "-jc" wrote
> > "CRWLR" wrote
> > >
> > > Your fuel analogy is flawed. 25:1 is a richer mixture than 50:1,
>
> > Bzzzzt ... wrong answer. 50:1 is a richer mixture. Think of what burns
> in
> > the combustion chamber ... fuel and air. The oil is for lubrication and
> > cooling and doesn't burn. 50 parts fuel to 1 part oil results in more
> fuel
> > being delivered when compared to 25:1. You will have to lean out your
> > jetting to accommodate running at 50:1.
>
> The discussion is about gear ratios, and the gas mixture was thrown in to
> illustrate gearing questions. I only pointed out that the fuel mixture
> analogy is flawed when used to illustrate gearing issues.
And I only pointed out your misstatement. Regardless of the earlier
discussion, 50:1 is richer than 25:1.
--
- Jeff
- ........................ then again, what do I know.
01-06-2004, 04:12 PM
#48
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Re: Newbie Questions
"CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote
> "-jc" wrote
> > "CRWLR" wrote
> > >
> > > Your fuel analogy is flawed. 25:1 is a richer mixture than 50:1,
>
> > Bzzzzt ... wrong answer. 50:1 is a richer mixture. Think of what burns
> in
> > the combustion chamber ... fuel and air. The oil is for lubrication and
> > cooling and doesn't burn. 50 parts fuel to 1 part oil results in more
> fuel
> > being delivered when compared to 25:1. You will have to lean out your
> > jetting to accommodate running at 50:1.
>
> The discussion is about gear ratios, and the gas mixture was thrown in to
> illustrate gearing questions. I only pointed out that the fuel mixture
> analogy is flawed when used to illustrate gearing issues.
And I only pointed out your misstatement. Regardless of the earlier
discussion, 50:1 is richer than 25:1.
--
- Jeff
- ........................ then again, what do I know.
> "-jc" wrote
> > "CRWLR" wrote
> > >
> > > Your fuel analogy is flawed. 25:1 is a richer mixture than 50:1,
>
> > Bzzzzt ... wrong answer. 50:1 is a richer mixture. Think of what burns
> in
> > the combustion chamber ... fuel and air. The oil is for lubrication and
> > cooling and doesn't burn. 50 parts fuel to 1 part oil results in more
> fuel
> > being delivered when compared to 25:1. You will have to lean out your
> > jetting to accommodate running at 50:1.
>
> The discussion is about gear ratios, and the gas mixture was thrown in to
> illustrate gearing questions. I only pointed out that the fuel mixture
> analogy is flawed when used to illustrate gearing issues.
And I only pointed out your misstatement. Regardless of the earlier
discussion, 50:1 is richer than 25:1.
--
- Jeff
- ........................ then again, what do I know.
01-06-2004, 04:12 PM
#49
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Re: Newbie Questions
"CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote
> "-jc" wrote
> > "CRWLR" wrote
> > >
> > > Your fuel analogy is flawed. 25:1 is a richer mixture than 50:1,
>
> > Bzzzzt ... wrong answer. 50:1 is a richer mixture. Think of what burns
> in
> > the combustion chamber ... fuel and air. The oil is for lubrication and
> > cooling and doesn't burn. 50 parts fuel to 1 part oil results in more
> fuel
> > being delivered when compared to 25:1. You will have to lean out your
> > jetting to accommodate running at 50:1.
>
> The discussion is about gear ratios, and the gas mixture was thrown in to
> illustrate gearing questions. I only pointed out that the fuel mixture
> analogy is flawed when used to illustrate gearing issues.
And I only pointed out your misstatement. Regardless of the earlier
discussion, 50:1 is richer than 25:1.
--
- Jeff
- ........................ then again, what do I know.
> "-jc" wrote
> > "CRWLR" wrote
> > >
> > > Your fuel analogy is flawed. 25:1 is a richer mixture than 50:1,
>
> > Bzzzzt ... wrong answer. 50:1 is a richer mixture. Think of what burns
> in
> > the combustion chamber ... fuel and air. The oil is for lubrication and
> > cooling and doesn't burn. 50 parts fuel to 1 part oil results in more
> fuel
> > being delivered when compared to 25:1. You will have to lean out your
> > jetting to accommodate running at 50:1.
>
> The discussion is about gear ratios, and the gas mixture was thrown in to
> illustrate gearing questions. I only pointed out that the fuel mixture
> analogy is flawed when used to illustrate gearing issues.
And I only pointed out your misstatement. Regardless of the earlier
discussion, 50:1 is richer than 25:1.
--
- Jeff
- ........................ then again, what do I know.
01-06-2004, 04:16 PM
#50
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Re: Newbie Questions (going OT)
I think we all know how to mix fuel for our chain saw now. I probably used
a bad analogy. Back to the original point...
The higher the ratio (between ring gear and pinion teeth), the lower the
gear.
Or:
http://www.csgnetwork.com/rnggrpinioncalc.html
"The higher the ratio, the greater the pulling power but lower speed for the
same number of engine revolutions."
We can move on and agree, or agree to disagree. :-)
JimG
"CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> "JimG" <jimg@cj7_2muchspam.com> wrote in message
> news:aIoKb.35063$NA3.27294@news01.roc.ny...
> > CRWLR wrote:
> >
> > > 25:1 is a richer mixture than 50:1
> >
> > richer in oil? yes
> >
> Yes. 25 parts of gas per each part of oil as opposed to 50 parts of gas
per
> each part of oil.
>
>
>
>
> > > If you have a 25:1 fuel ratio, then you
> > > have twice as much gas as compared to the 50:1 ratio that you
suggested.
> >
> > Using the following formula: X oz gas. / ratio = Y oz. oil
> > Based on:
> > http://www.csgnetwork.com/oilfuelcalc.html
> >
> > If I want a 50:1 mixture, then I add 125.5 ounces of gas and 2.5 ounces
of
> > oil.
> Actually, the number is 125, not 125.5
>
my numbers were adding up to equal mixtures of ~128 oz
>
> > If I want a 25:1 mixture, then I add 123.0 ounces of gas and 5.0 ounces
of
> > oil.
>
> This is 62.5 ounces of gas to the same 2.5 ounces of oil, or 123 to 5
would
> be the same.
>
my numbers were adding up to equal mixtures of ~128 oz
>
> > (numbers rounded for simplicity)
> >
> > Total = 128 oz. or 1 gal.
> >
> > Which mixture has a higher ratio of gas?
> >
>
> The 50:1 has more gas by double.
>
>
>
> You can make this easier ...
>
> Add 25 quarts of gas to 1 quart of oil to have a 25:1 ratio, or add 50
> quarts of gas to 1 quart of oil to have a 50:1 ratio.
my numbers were adding up to equal mixtures of ~128 oz
a bad analogy. Back to the original point...
The higher the ratio (between ring gear and pinion teeth), the lower the
gear.
Or:
http://www.csgnetwork.com/rnggrpinioncalc.html
"The higher the ratio, the greater the pulling power but lower speed for the
same number of engine revolutions."
We can move on and agree, or agree to disagree. :-)
JimG
"CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> "JimG" <jimg@cj7_2muchspam.com> wrote in message
> news:aIoKb.35063$NA3.27294@news01.roc.ny...
> > CRWLR wrote:
> >
> > > 25:1 is a richer mixture than 50:1
> >
> > richer in oil? yes
> >
> Yes. 25 parts of gas per each part of oil as opposed to 50 parts of gas
per
> each part of oil.
>
>
>
>
> > > If you have a 25:1 fuel ratio, then you
> > > have twice as much gas as compared to the 50:1 ratio that you
suggested.
> >
> > Using the following formula: X oz gas. / ratio = Y oz. oil
> > Based on:
> > http://www.csgnetwork.com/oilfuelcalc.html
> >
> > If I want a 50:1 mixture, then I add 125.5 ounces of gas and 2.5 ounces
of
> > oil.
> Actually, the number is 125, not 125.5
>
my numbers were adding up to equal mixtures of ~128 oz
>
> > If I want a 25:1 mixture, then I add 123.0 ounces of gas and 5.0 ounces
of
> > oil.
>
> This is 62.5 ounces of gas to the same 2.5 ounces of oil, or 123 to 5
would
> be the same.
>
my numbers were adding up to equal mixtures of ~128 oz
>
> > (numbers rounded for simplicity)
> >
> > Total = 128 oz. or 1 gal.
> >
> > Which mixture has a higher ratio of gas?
> >
>
> The 50:1 has more gas by double.
>
>
>
> You can make this easier ...
>
> Add 25 quarts of gas to 1 quart of oil to have a 25:1 ratio, or add 50
> quarts of gas to 1 quart of oil to have a 50:1 ratio.
my numbers were adding up to equal mixtures of ~128 oz