newbie question
#32
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Re: newbie question
Hi Steve,
Look again, the Libby has independent front suspension:
http://www.----------.com/XJversusKJ.jpg Of which their wheels regularly
fall off:
http://www.detnews.com/2003/autosins...tos-319372.htm
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Steve wrote:
>
> The Liberty suspension is much more heavy duty than the Highlander.
> Think truck vs car. If you really want to compare apples to apples, look
> at the Toyota 4Runner.
>
> The Highlander has independent MacPherson strut suspension front and
> rear. Pretty much the same suspension and drive train as in the Toyota
> Camry. In many ways, the Highlander is just a Camry with extra ground
> clearance and all-wheel drive.
>
> Vehicle specs:
>
> http://www.toyota-hawaii.com/vehicle...der/specs.html
> http://www.allpar.com/model/jeep/liberty-2005.html
>
> The Liberty has a solid (live) rear axle with a coil-link suspension
> much like the Jeep Grand Cherokee or Wrangler. Liberty has a 5000 lb
> towing capacity vs 3500 for the Highlander.
>
> Around here we like to crap on the Liberty's independent front
> suspension for it's compromised off-road performance (as opposed to a
> solid live axle), but it still has a respectable 8" of wheel travel and
> a much beefier design than the car-like strut suspension of the Highlander.
>
> On the flat stuff, the Highlander with it's stiffer spring rates likely
> has better handling, stability, and a more even ride, but the Liberty
> should stand up to much more pothole abuse and be more comfortable on
> really rough roads. As for general reliability and safety ratings, the
> Liberty is consistently near the top it's class and beats out all other
> Jeeps in every listing I've seen.
>
> If you go for the Liberty, choose the 'SelecTrac' full time 4WD option
> over the standard 'CommandTrac' part time 4WD. It's easier to use when
> slippery conditions are intermittent and still gives you the option of
> locking the center differential for 'true' 4WD. Also consider the
> 'TracLoc' rear differential limited slip option for improved traction.
> Another interesting option available this year on Liberty is the 2.8L
> Common Rail Diesel:
>
> http://www.aicautosite.com/Reviews/2...rty-diesel.asp
> http://www.allpar.com/model/jeep/liberty-review.html
>
> Steve
> http://xjeep.dyndns.org
Look again, the Libby has independent front suspension:
http://www.----------.com/XJversusKJ.jpg Of which their wheels regularly
fall off:
http://www.detnews.com/2003/autosins...tos-319372.htm
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Steve wrote:
>
> The Liberty suspension is much more heavy duty than the Highlander.
> Think truck vs car. If you really want to compare apples to apples, look
> at the Toyota 4Runner.
>
> The Highlander has independent MacPherson strut suspension front and
> rear. Pretty much the same suspension and drive train as in the Toyota
> Camry. In many ways, the Highlander is just a Camry with extra ground
> clearance and all-wheel drive.
>
> Vehicle specs:
>
> http://www.toyota-hawaii.com/vehicle...der/specs.html
> http://www.allpar.com/model/jeep/liberty-2005.html
>
> The Liberty has a solid (live) rear axle with a coil-link suspension
> much like the Jeep Grand Cherokee or Wrangler. Liberty has a 5000 lb
> towing capacity vs 3500 for the Highlander.
>
> Around here we like to crap on the Liberty's independent front
> suspension for it's compromised off-road performance (as opposed to a
> solid live axle), but it still has a respectable 8" of wheel travel and
> a much beefier design than the car-like strut suspension of the Highlander.
>
> On the flat stuff, the Highlander with it's stiffer spring rates likely
> has better handling, stability, and a more even ride, but the Liberty
> should stand up to much more pothole abuse and be more comfortable on
> really rough roads. As for general reliability and safety ratings, the
> Liberty is consistently near the top it's class and beats out all other
> Jeeps in every listing I've seen.
>
> If you go for the Liberty, choose the 'SelecTrac' full time 4WD option
> over the standard 'CommandTrac' part time 4WD. It's easier to use when
> slippery conditions are intermittent and still gives you the option of
> locking the center differential for 'true' 4WD. Also consider the
> 'TracLoc' rear differential limited slip option for improved traction.
> Another interesting option available this year on Liberty is the 2.8L
> Common Rail Diesel:
>
> http://www.aicautosite.com/Reviews/2...rty-diesel.asp
> http://www.allpar.com/model/jeep/liberty-review.html
>
> Steve
> http://xjeep.dyndns.org
#33
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: newbie question
Hi Steve,
Look again, the Libby has independent front suspension:
http://www.----------.com/XJversusKJ.jpg Of which their wheels regularly
fall off:
http://www.detnews.com/2003/autosins...tos-319372.htm
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Steve wrote:
>
> The Liberty suspension is much more heavy duty than the Highlander.
> Think truck vs car. If you really want to compare apples to apples, look
> at the Toyota 4Runner.
>
> The Highlander has independent MacPherson strut suspension front and
> rear. Pretty much the same suspension and drive train as in the Toyota
> Camry. In many ways, the Highlander is just a Camry with extra ground
> clearance and all-wheel drive.
>
> Vehicle specs:
>
> http://www.toyota-hawaii.com/vehicle...der/specs.html
> http://www.allpar.com/model/jeep/liberty-2005.html
>
> The Liberty has a solid (live) rear axle with a coil-link suspension
> much like the Jeep Grand Cherokee or Wrangler. Liberty has a 5000 lb
> towing capacity vs 3500 for the Highlander.
>
> Around here we like to crap on the Liberty's independent front
> suspension for it's compromised off-road performance (as opposed to a
> solid live axle), but it still has a respectable 8" of wheel travel and
> a much beefier design than the car-like strut suspension of the Highlander.
>
> On the flat stuff, the Highlander with it's stiffer spring rates likely
> has better handling, stability, and a more even ride, but the Liberty
> should stand up to much more pothole abuse and be more comfortable on
> really rough roads. As for general reliability and safety ratings, the
> Liberty is consistently near the top it's class and beats out all other
> Jeeps in every listing I've seen.
>
> If you go for the Liberty, choose the 'SelecTrac' full time 4WD option
> over the standard 'CommandTrac' part time 4WD. It's easier to use when
> slippery conditions are intermittent and still gives you the option of
> locking the center differential for 'true' 4WD. Also consider the
> 'TracLoc' rear differential limited slip option for improved traction.
> Another interesting option available this year on Liberty is the 2.8L
> Common Rail Diesel:
>
> http://www.aicautosite.com/Reviews/2...rty-diesel.asp
> http://www.allpar.com/model/jeep/liberty-review.html
>
> Steve
> http://xjeep.dyndns.org
Look again, the Libby has independent front suspension:
http://www.----------.com/XJversusKJ.jpg Of which their wheels regularly
fall off:
http://www.detnews.com/2003/autosins...tos-319372.htm
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Steve wrote:
>
> The Liberty suspension is much more heavy duty than the Highlander.
> Think truck vs car. If you really want to compare apples to apples, look
> at the Toyota 4Runner.
>
> The Highlander has independent MacPherson strut suspension front and
> rear. Pretty much the same suspension and drive train as in the Toyota
> Camry. In many ways, the Highlander is just a Camry with extra ground
> clearance and all-wheel drive.
>
> Vehicle specs:
>
> http://www.toyota-hawaii.com/vehicle...der/specs.html
> http://www.allpar.com/model/jeep/liberty-2005.html
>
> The Liberty has a solid (live) rear axle with a coil-link suspension
> much like the Jeep Grand Cherokee or Wrangler. Liberty has a 5000 lb
> towing capacity vs 3500 for the Highlander.
>
> Around here we like to crap on the Liberty's independent front
> suspension for it's compromised off-road performance (as opposed to a
> solid live axle), but it still has a respectable 8" of wheel travel and
> a much beefier design than the car-like strut suspension of the Highlander.
>
> On the flat stuff, the Highlander with it's stiffer spring rates likely
> has better handling, stability, and a more even ride, but the Liberty
> should stand up to much more pothole abuse and be more comfortable on
> really rough roads. As for general reliability and safety ratings, the
> Liberty is consistently near the top it's class and beats out all other
> Jeeps in every listing I've seen.
>
> If you go for the Liberty, choose the 'SelecTrac' full time 4WD option
> over the standard 'CommandTrac' part time 4WD. It's easier to use when
> slippery conditions are intermittent and still gives you the option of
> locking the center differential for 'true' 4WD. Also consider the
> 'TracLoc' rear differential limited slip option for improved traction.
> Another interesting option available this year on Liberty is the 2.8L
> Common Rail Diesel:
>
> http://www.aicautosite.com/Reviews/2...rty-diesel.asp
> http://www.allpar.com/model/jeep/liberty-review.html
>
> Steve
> http://xjeep.dyndns.org
#34
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: newbie question
Hi Steve,
Look again, the Libby has independent front suspension:
http://www.----------.com/XJversusKJ.jpg Of which their wheels regularly
fall off:
http://www.detnews.com/2003/autosins...tos-319372.htm
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Steve wrote:
>
> The Liberty suspension is much more heavy duty than the Highlander.
> Think truck vs car. If you really want to compare apples to apples, look
> at the Toyota 4Runner.
>
> The Highlander has independent MacPherson strut suspension front and
> rear. Pretty much the same suspension and drive train as in the Toyota
> Camry. In many ways, the Highlander is just a Camry with extra ground
> clearance and all-wheel drive.
>
> Vehicle specs:
>
> http://www.toyota-hawaii.com/vehicle...der/specs.html
> http://www.allpar.com/model/jeep/liberty-2005.html
>
> The Liberty has a solid (live) rear axle with a coil-link suspension
> much like the Jeep Grand Cherokee or Wrangler. Liberty has a 5000 lb
> towing capacity vs 3500 for the Highlander.
>
> Around here we like to crap on the Liberty's independent front
> suspension for it's compromised off-road performance (as opposed to a
> solid live axle), but it still has a respectable 8" of wheel travel and
> a much beefier design than the car-like strut suspension of the Highlander.
>
> On the flat stuff, the Highlander with it's stiffer spring rates likely
> has better handling, stability, and a more even ride, but the Liberty
> should stand up to much more pothole abuse and be more comfortable on
> really rough roads. As for general reliability and safety ratings, the
> Liberty is consistently near the top it's class and beats out all other
> Jeeps in every listing I've seen.
>
> If you go for the Liberty, choose the 'SelecTrac' full time 4WD option
> over the standard 'CommandTrac' part time 4WD. It's easier to use when
> slippery conditions are intermittent and still gives you the option of
> locking the center differential for 'true' 4WD. Also consider the
> 'TracLoc' rear differential limited slip option for improved traction.
> Another interesting option available this year on Liberty is the 2.8L
> Common Rail Diesel:
>
> http://www.aicautosite.com/Reviews/2...rty-diesel.asp
> http://www.allpar.com/model/jeep/liberty-review.html
>
> Steve
> http://xjeep.dyndns.org
Look again, the Libby has independent front suspension:
http://www.----------.com/XJversusKJ.jpg Of which their wheels regularly
fall off:
http://www.detnews.com/2003/autosins...tos-319372.htm
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Steve wrote:
>
> The Liberty suspension is much more heavy duty than the Highlander.
> Think truck vs car. If you really want to compare apples to apples, look
> at the Toyota 4Runner.
>
> The Highlander has independent MacPherson strut suspension front and
> rear. Pretty much the same suspension and drive train as in the Toyota
> Camry. In many ways, the Highlander is just a Camry with extra ground
> clearance and all-wheel drive.
>
> Vehicle specs:
>
> http://www.toyota-hawaii.com/vehicle...der/specs.html
> http://www.allpar.com/model/jeep/liberty-2005.html
>
> The Liberty has a solid (live) rear axle with a coil-link suspension
> much like the Jeep Grand Cherokee or Wrangler. Liberty has a 5000 lb
> towing capacity vs 3500 for the Highlander.
>
> Around here we like to crap on the Liberty's independent front
> suspension for it's compromised off-road performance (as opposed to a
> solid live axle), but it still has a respectable 8" of wheel travel and
> a much beefier design than the car-like strut suspension of the Highlander.
>
> On the flat stuff, the Highlander with it's stiffer spring rates likely
> has better handling, stability, and a more even ride, but the Liberty
> should stand up to much more pothole abuse and be more comfortable on
> really rough roads. As for general reliability and safety ratings, the
> Liberty is consistently near the top it's class and beats out all other
> Jeeps in every listing I've seen.
>
> If you go for the Liberty, choose the 'SelecTrac' full time 4WD option
> over the standard 'CommandTrac' part time 4WD. It's easier to use when
> slippery conditions are intermittent and still gives you the option of
> locking the center differential for 'true' 4WD. Also consider the
> 'TracLoc' rear differential limited slip option for improved traction.
> Another interesting option available this year on Liberty is the 2.8L
> Common Rail Diesel:
>
> http://www.aicautosite.com/Reviews/2...rty-diesel.asp
> http://www.allpar.com/model/jeep/liberty-review.html
>
> Steve
> http://xjeep.dyndns.org
#35
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Re: newbie question
mhammer8@nospamyahoo.com wrote:
> Ont hat subject, anyone else's TJ have substantially less legroom on
> the psgr side?
Don't know for sure? My wife is short and that's where she's
riding in my TJ. My seat is behind the steering wheel..ha..ha.
Tom T
#36
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Re: newbie question
mhammer8@nospamyahoo.com wrote:
> Ont hat subject, anyone else's TJ have substantially less legroom on
> the psgr side?
Don't know for sure? My wife is short and that's where she's
riding in my TJ. My seat is behind the steering wheel..ha..ha.
Tom T
#37
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Re: newbie question
mhammer8@nospamyahoo.com wrote:
> Ont hat subject, anyone else's TJ have substantially less legroom on
> the psgr side?
Don't know for sure? My wife is short and that's where she's
riding in my TJ. My seat is behind the steering wheel..ha..ha.
Tom T
#38
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Re: newbie question
L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
> Hi Steve,
> Look again, the Libby has independent front suspension:
> http://www.----------.com/XJversusKJ.jpg
I love that picture.
> Of which their wheels regularly fall off:
> http://www.detnews.com/2003/autosins...tos-319372.htm
The recall only applies to vehicles produced through March 2003. The OP
is interested in a new one.
Steve
http://xjeep.dyndns.org
> Steve wrote:
>
>>The Liberty suspension is much more heavy duty than the Highlander.
> Hi Steve,
> Look again, the Libby has independent front suspension:
> http://www.----------.com/XJversusKJ.jpg
I love that picture.
> Of which their wheels regularly fall off:
> http://www.detnews.com/2003/autosins...tos-319372.htm
The recall only applies to vehicles produced through March 2003. The OP
is interested in a new one.
Steve
http://xjeep.dyndns.org
> Steve wrote:
>
>>The Liberty suspension is much more heavy duty than the Highlander.
#39
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: newbie question
L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
> Hi Steve,
> Look again, the Libby has independent front suspension:
> http://www.----------.com/XJversusKJ.jpg
I love that picture.
> Of which their wheels regularly fall off:
> http://www.detnews.com/2003/autosins...tos-319372.htm
The recall only applies to vehicles produced through March 2003. The OP
is interested in a new one.
Steve
http://xjeep.dyndns.org
> Steve wrote:
>
>>The Liberty suspension is much more heavy duty than the Highlander.
> Hi Steve,
> Look again, the Libby has independent front suspension:
> http://www.----------.com/XJversusKJ.jpg
I love that picture.
> Of which their wheels regularly fall off:
> http://www.detnews.com/2003/autosins...tos-319372.htm
The recall only applies to vehicles produced through March 2003. The OP
is interested in a new one.
Steve
http://xjeep.dyndns.org
> Steve wrote:
>
>>The Liberty suspension is much more heavy duty than the Highlander.
#40
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: newbie question
L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
> Hi Steve,
> Look again, the Libby has independent front suspension:
> http://www.----------.com/XJversusKJ.jpg
I love that picture.
> Of which their wheels regularly fall off:
> http://www.detnews.com/2003/autosins...tos-319372.htm
The recall only applies to vehicles produced through March 2003. The OP
is interested in a new one.
Steve
http://xjeep.dyndns.org
> Steve wrote:
>
>>The Liberty suspension is much more heavy duty than the Highlander.
> Hi Steve,
> Look again, the Libby has independent front suspension:
> http://www.----------.com/XJversusKJ.jpg
I love that picture.
> Of which their wheels regularly fall off:
> http://www.detnews.com/2003/autosins...tos-319372.htm
The recall only applies to vehicles produced through March 2003. The OP
is interested in a new one.
Steve
http://xjeep.dyndns.org
> Steve wrote:
>
>>The Liberty suspension is much more heavy duty than the Highlander.