new wrangler - ug
08-23-2006, 11:59 PM
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Re: new wrangler - ug
"L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
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> Not many know the first Land Rover was built on a Jeep chassis and
> running gear.
i have video from the history channel ripped into .wmv downloadable format
that shows it if youre interested.
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> Not many know the first Land Rover was built on a Jeep chassis and
> running gear.
i have video from the history channel ripped into .wmv downloadable format
that shows it if youre interested.
--
Nathan in Montana
http://ConcealedCarryForum.com
http://1911Carry.com
http://GlockCarry.com
http://hkusp.info
08-24-2006, 12:10 AM
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Re: new wrangler - ug
Please see the section "What the Liberty could have been (Bob Sheaves)"
http://www.allpar.com/model/jeep/liberty.html
"L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:44ED216D.7A2D1AAB@***.net...
> First off with Independent Front Suspension we loose about ten
> inches of ground clearance, look way up in there and you will see axle
> boot or the height of a regular live axle:
> http://www.----------.com/05cherokee...okee2front.jpg Plus look at
> how it's bottomed out just getting on the car trailer. Then actually
> look at the suspension and note the space between the bump stops the
> open areas are the four inches of articulation, making it possible to
> get stuck on a road:
> http://www.----------.com/temp/LibertyAndTraction.mpeg Comparison:
> http://www.----------.com/XJversusKJ.jpg
> The rear end of my thunderbird is perfect for a run to Lost Wages,
> It's Independent Suspension like the Ferrari or Corvette hugs the road
> at high speed, but like the Libby and '05 Cherokee, it's put together
> with puny stamped steel and rubber grommets:
> 89thunderbirdRearIndependentSuspension.jpg Just imagine pulling a
> trailer, which way the tires would be pointing while trying to recover
> from an emergency lane change and fishtail. Leave that for Real Trucks
> with Real leaf springs.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
>
> QX wrote:
>>
>> Please excuse my questions, but I am new to the Jeep world.
>> I am pretty sure IFS means Independent Front Suspension, but I don't
>> understand how it compares with a solid axle, and why one is better
>> than the other.
>> Also, is SWB, Short Wheel Base? As in Wrangler? as opposed to the
>> Grand Cherokee?
>>
>> I'd also like to know how an IRS (Independent Rear Suspension) affects
>> towing capacity. Something I read on a jeep related forum. The tone of
>> the thread was that in most cases IRS reduces towing capacity
>> dramatically, but there are ways to maintain 5K capacity if it is done
>> right?
>>
>> Just trying to learn more and more.
>> Thanks
http://www.allpar.com/model/jeep/liberty.html
"L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:44ED216D.7A2D1AAB@***.net...
> First off with Independent Front Suspension we loose about ten
> inches of ground clearance, look way up in there and you will see axle
> boot or the height of a regular live axle:
> http://www.----------.com/05cherokee...okee2front.jpg Plus look at
> how it's bottomed out just getting on the car trailer. Then actually
> look at the suspension and note the space between the bump stops the
> open areas are the four inches of articulation, making it possible to
> get stuck on a road:
> http://www.----------.com/temp/LibertyAndTraction.mpeg Comparison:
> http://www.----------.com/XJversusKJ.jpg
> The rear end of my thunderbird is perfect for a run to Lost Wages,
> It's Independent Suspension like the Ferrari or Corvette hugs the road
> at high speed, but like the Libby and '05 Cherokee, it's put together
> with puny stamped steel and rubber grommets:
> 89thunderbirdRearIndependentSuspension.jpg Just imagine pulling a
> trailer, which way the tires would be pointing while trying to recover
> from an emergency lane change and fishtail. Leave that for Real Trucks
> with Real leaf springs.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
>
> QX wrote:
>>
>> Please excuse my questions, but I am new to the Jeep world.
>> I am pretty sure IFS means Independent Front Suspension, but I don't
>> understand how it compares with a solid axle, and why one is better
>> than the other.
>> Also, is SWB, Short Wheel Base? As in Wrangler? as opposed to the
>> Grand Cherokee?
>>
>> I'd also like to know how an IRS (Independent Rear Suspension) affects
>> towing capacity. Something I read on a jeep related forum. The tone of
>> the thread was that in most cases IRS reduces towing capacity
>> dramatically, but there are ways to maintain 5K capacity if it is done
>> right?
>>
>> Just trying to learn more and more.
>> Thanks
08-24-2006, 12:10 AM
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Re: new wrangler - ug
Please see the section "What the Liberty could have been (Bob Sheaves)"
http://www.allpar.com/model/jeep/liberty.html
"L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:44ED216D.7A2D1AAB@***.net...
> First off with Independent Front Suspension we loose about ten
> inches of ground clearance, look way up in there and you will see axle
> boot or the height of a regular live axle:
> http://www.----------.com/05cherokee...okee2front.jpg Plus look at
> how it's bottomed out just getting on the car trailer. Then actually
> look at the suspension and note the space between the bump stops the
> open areas are the four inches of articulation, making it possible to
> get stuck on a road:
> http://www.----------.com/temp/LibertyAndTraction.mpeg Comparison:
> http://www.----------.com/XJversusKJ.jpg
> The rear end of my thunderbird is perfect for a run to Lost Wages,
> It's Independent Suspension like the Ferrari or Corvette hugs the road
> at high speed, but like the Libby and '05 Cherokee, it's put together
> with puny stamped steel and rubber grommets:
> 89thunderbirdRearIndependentSuspension.jpg Just imagine pulling a
> trailer, which way the tires would be pointing while trying to recover
> from an emergency lane change and fishtail. Leave that for Real Trucks
> with Real leaf springs.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
>
> QX wrote:
>>
>> Please excuse my questions, but I am new to the Jeep world.
>> I am pretty sure IFS means Independent Front Suspension, but I don't
>> understand how it compares with a solid axle, and why one is better
>> than the other.
>> Also, is SWB, Short Wheel Base? As in Wrangler? as opposed to the
>> Grand Cherokee?
>>
>> I'd also like to know how an IRS (Independent Rear Suspension) affects
>> towing capacity. Something I read on a jeep related forum. The tone of
>> the thread was that in most cases IRS reduces towing capacity
>> dramatically, but there are ways to maintain 5K capacity if it is done
>> right?
>>
>> Just trying to learn more and more.
>> Thanks
http://www.allpar.com/model/jeep/liberty.html
"L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:44ED216D.7A2D1AAB@***.net...
> First off with Independent Front Suspension we loose about ten
> inches of ground clearance, look way up in there and you will see axle
> boot or the height of a regular live axle:
> http://www.----------.com/05cherokee...okee2front.jpg Plus look at
> how it's bottomed out just getting on the car trailer. Then actually
> look at the suspension and note the space between the bump stops the
> open areas are the four inches of articulation, making it possible to
> get stuck on a road:
> http://www.----------.com/temp/LibertyAndTraction.mpeg Comparison:
> http://www.----------.com/XJversusKJ.jpg
> The rear end of my thunderbird is perfect for a run to Lost Wages,
> It's Independent Suspension like the Ferrari or Corvette hugs the road
> at high speed, but like the Libby and '05 Cherokee, it's put together
> with puny stamped steel and rubber grommets:
> 89thunderbirdRearIndependentSuspension.jpg Just imagine pulling a
> trailer, which way the tires would be pointing while trying to recover
> from an emergency lane change and fishtail. Leave that for Real Trucks
> with Real leaf springs.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
>
> QX wrote:
>>
>> Please excuse my questions, but I am new to the Jeep world.
>> I am pretty sure IFS means Independent Front Suspension, but I don't
>> understand how it compares with a solid axle, and why one is better
>> than the other.
>> Also, is SWB, Short Wheel Base? As in Wrangler? as opposed to the
>> Grand Cherokee?
>>
>> I'd also like to know how an IRS (Independent Rear Suspension) affects
>> towing capacity. Something I read on a jeep related forum. The tone of
>> the thread was that in most cases IRS reduces towing capacity
>> dramatically, but there are ways to maintain 5K capacity if it is done
>> right?
>>
>> Just trying to learn more and more.
>> Thanks
08-24-2006, 12:10 AM
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Re: new wrangler - ug
Please see the section "What the Liberty could have been (Bob Sheaves)"
http://www.allpar.com/model/jeep/liberty.html
"L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:44ED216D.7A2D1AAB@***.net...
> First off with Independent Front Suspension we loose about ten
> inches of ground clearance, look way up in there and you will see axle
> boot or the height of a regular live axle:
> http://www.----------.com/05cherokee...okee2front.jpg Plus look at
> how it's bottomed out just getting on the car trailer. Then actually
> look at the suspension and note the space between the bump stops the
> open areas are the four inches of articulation, making it possible to
> get stuck on a road:
> http://www.----------.com/temp/LibertyAndTraction.mpeg Comparison:
> http://www.----------.com/XJversusKJ.jpg
> The rear end of my thunderbird is perfect for a run to Lost Wages,
> It's Independent Suspension like the Ferrari or Corvette hugs the road
> at high speed, but like the Libby and '05 Cherokee, it's put together
> with puny stamped steel and rubber grommets:
> 89thunderbirdRearIndependentSuspension.jpg Just imagine pulling a
> trailer, which way the tires would be pointing while trying to recover
> from an emergency lane change and fishtail. Leave that for Real Trucks
> with Real leaf springs.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
>
> QX wrote:
>>
>> Please excuse my questions, but I am new to the Jeep world.
>> I am pretty sure IFS means Independent Front Suspension, but I don't
>> understand how it compares with a solid axle, and why one is better
>> than the other.
>> Also, is SWB, Short Wheel Base? As in Wrangler? as opposed to the
>> Grand Cherokee?
>>
>> I'd also like to know how an IRS (Independent Rear Suspension) affects
>> towing capacity. Something I read on a jeep related forum. The tone of
>> the thread was that in most cases IRS reduces towing capacity
>> dramatically, but there are ways to maintain 5K capacity if it is done
>> right?
>>
>> Just trying to learn more and more.
>> Thanks
http://www.allpar.com/model/jeep/liberty.html
"L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:44ED216D.7A2D1AAB@***.net...
> First off with Independent Front Suspension we loose about ten
> inches of ground clearance, look way up in there and you will see axle
> boot or the height of a regular live axle:
> http://www.----------.com/05cherokee...okee2front.jpg Plus look at
> how it's bottomed out just getting on the car trailer. Then actually
> look at the suspension and note the space between the bump stops the
> open areas are the four inches of articulation, making it possible to
> get stuck on a road:
> http://www.----------.com/temp/LibertyAndTraction.mpeg Comparison:
> http://www.----------.com/XJversusKJ.jpg
> The rear end of my thunderbird is perfect for a run to Lost Wages,
> It's Independent Suspension like the Ferrari or Corvette hugs the road
> at high speed, but like the Libby and '05 Cherokee, it's put together
> with puny stamped steel and rubber grommets:
> 89thunderbirdRearIndependentSuspension.jpg Just imagine pulling a
> trailer, which way the tires would be pointing while trying to recover
> from an emergency lane change and fishtail. Leave that for Real Trucks
> with Real leaf springs.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
>
> QX wrote:
>>
>> Please excuse my questions, but I am new to the Jeep world.
>> I am pretty sure IFS means Independent Front Suspension, but I don't
>> understand how it compares with a solid axle, and why one is better
>> than the other.
>> Also, is SWB, Short Wheel Base? As in Wrangler? as opposed to the
>> Grand Cherokee?
>>
>> I'd also like to know how an IRS (Independent Rear Suspension) affects
>> towing capacity. Something I read on a jeep related forum. The tone of
>> the thread was that in most cases IRS reduces towing capacity
>> dramatically, but there are ways to maintain 5K capacity if it is done
>> right?
>>
>> Just trying to learn more and more.
>> Thanks
08-24-2006, 12:10 AM
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Re: new wrangler - ug
Please see the section "What the Liberty could have been (Bob Sheaves)"
http://www.allpar.com/model/jeep/liberty.html
"L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:44ED216D.7A2D1AAB@***.net...
> First off with Independent Front Suspension we loose about ten
> inches of ground clearance, look way up in there and you will see axle
> boot or the height of a regular live axle:
> http://www.----------.com/05cherokee...okee2front.jpg Plus look at
> how it's bottomed out just getting on the car trailer. Then actually
> look at the suspension and note the space between the bump stops the
> open areas are the four inches of articulation, making it possible to
> get stuck on a road:
> http://www.----------.com/temp/LibertyAndTraction.mpeg Comparison:
> http://www.----------.com/XJversusKJ.jpg
> The rear end of my thunderbird is perfect for a run to Lost Wages,
> It's Independent Suspension like the Ferrari or Corvette hugs the road
> at high speed, but like the Libby and '05 Cherokee, it's put together
> with puny stamped steel and rubber grommets:
> 89thunderbirdRearIndependentSuspension.jpg Just imagine pulling a
> trailer, which way the tires would be pointing while trying to recover
> from an emergency lane change and fishtail. Leave that for Real Trucks
> with Real leaf springs.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
>
> QX wrote:
>>
>> Please excuse my questions, but I am new to the Jeep world.
>> I am pretty sure IFS means Independent Front Suspension, but I don't
>> understand how it compares with a solid axle, and why one is better
>> than the other.
>> Also, is SWB, Short Wheel Base? As in Wrangler? as opposed to the
>> Grand Cherokee?
>>
>> I'd also like to know how an IRS (Independent Rear Suspension) affects
>> towing capacity. Something I read on a jeep related forum. The tone of
>> the thread was that in most cases IRS reduces towing capacity
>> dramatically, but there are ways to maintain 5K capacity if it is done
>> right?
>>
>> Just trying to learn more and more.
>> Thanks
http://www.allpar.com/model/jeep/liberty.html
"L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:44ED216D.7A2D1AAB@***.net...
> First off with Independent Front Suspension we loose about ten
> inches of ground clearance, look way up in there and you will see axle
> boot or the height of a regular live axle:
> http://www.----------.com/05cherokee...okee2front.jpg Plus look at
> how it's bottomed out just getting on the car trailer. Then actually
> look at the suspension and note the space between the bump stops the
> open areas are the four inches of articulation, making it possible to
> get stuck on a road:
> http://www.----------.com/temp/LibertyAndTraction.mpeg Comparison:
> http://www.----------.com/XJversusKJ.jpg
> The rear end of my thunderbird is perfect for a run to Lost Wages,
> It's Independent Suspension like the Ferrari or Corvette hugs the road
> at high speed, but like the Libby and '05 Cherokee, it's put together
> with puny stamped steel and rubber grommets:
> 89thunderbirdRearIndependentSuspension.jpg Just imagine pulling a
> trailer, which way the tires would be pointing while trying to recover
> from an emergency lane change and fishtail. Leave that for Real Trucks
> with Real leaf springs.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
>
> QX wrote:
>>
>> Please excuse my questions, but I am new to the Jeep world.
>> I am pretty sure IFS means Independent Front Suspension, but I don't
>> understand how it compares with a solid axle, and why one is better
>> than the other.
>> Also, is SWB, Short Wheel Base? As in Wrangler? as opposed to the
>> Grand Cherokee?
>>
>> I'd also like to know how an IRS (Independent Rear Suspension) affects
>> towing capacity. Something I read on a jeep related forum. The tone of
>> the thread was that in most cases IRS reduces towing capacity
>> dramatically, but there are ways to maintain 5K capacity if it is done
>> right?
>>
>> Just trying to learn more and more.
>> Thanks
08-24-2006, 12:19 AM
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Re: new wrangler - ug
I copied the video too. It starts off with the first 4X4 cars
around 1910, modified to use as trucks in World War I.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
"Nathan W. Collier" wrote:
>
> i have video from the history channel ripped into .wmv downloadable format
> that shows it if youre interested.
>
> --
> Nathan in Montana
> http://ConcealedCarryForum.com
> http://1911Carry.com
> http://GlockCarry.com
> http://hkusp.info
around 1910, modified to use as trucks in World War I.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
"Nathan W. Collier" wrote:
>
> i have video from the history channel ripped into .wmv downloadable format
> that shows it if youre interested.
>
> --
> Nathan in Montana
> http://ConcealedCarryForum.com
> http://1911Carry.com
> http://GlockCarry.com
> http://hkusp.info
08-24-2006, 12:19 AM
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Re: new wrangler - ug
I copied the video too. It starts off with the first 4X4 cars
around 1910, modified to use as trucks in World War I.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
"Nathan W. Collier" wrote:
>
> i have video from the history channel ripped into .wmv downloadable format
> that shows it if youre interested.
>
> --
> Nathan in Montana
> http://ConcealedCarryForum.com
> http://1911Carry.com
> http://GlockCarry.com
> http://hkusp.info
around 1910, modified to use as trucks in World War I.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
"Nathan W. Collier" wrote:
>
> i have video from the history channel ripped into .wmv downloadable format
> that shows it if youre interested.
>
> --
> Nathan in Montana
> http://ConcealedCarryForum.com
> http://1911Carry.com
> http://GlockCarry.com
> http://hkusp.info
08-24-2006, 12:19 AM
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Re: new wrangler - ug
I copied the video too. It starts off with the first 4X4 cars
around 1910, modified to use as trucks in World War I.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
"Nathan W. Collier" wrote:
>
> i have video from the history channel ripped into .wmv downloadable format
> that shows it if youre interested.
>
> --
> Nathan in Montana
> http://ConcealedCarryForum.com
> http://1911Carry.com
> http://GlockCarry.com
> http://hkusp.info
around 1910, modified to use as trucks in World War I.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
"Nathan W. Collier" wrote:
>
> i have video from the history channel ripped into .wmv downloadable format
> that shows it if youre interested.
>
> --
> Nathan in Montana
> http://ConcealedCarryForum.com
> http://1911Carry.com
> http://GlockCarry.com
> http://hkusp.info
08-24-2006, 12:19 AM
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Re: new wrangler - ug
I copied the video too. It starts off with the first 4X4 cars
around 1910, modified to use as trucks in World War I.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
"Nathan W. Collier" wrote:
>
> i have video from the history channel ripped into .wmv downloadable format
> that shows it if youre interested.
>
> --
> Nathan in Montana
> http://ConcealedCarryForum.com
> http://1911Carry.com
> http://GlockCarry.com
> http://hkusp.info
around 1910, modified to use as trucks in World War I.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
"Nathan W. Collier" wrote:
>
> i have video from the history channel ripped into .wmv downloadable format
> that shows it if youre interested.
>
> --
> Nathan in Montana
> http://ConcealedCarryForum.com
> http://1911Carry.com
> http://GlockCarry.com
> http://hkusp.info
08-24-2006, 12:32 AM
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Re: new wrangler - ug
Thanks.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
billy ray wrote:
>
> Please see the section "What the Liberty could have been (Bob Sheaves)"
>
> http://www.allpar.com/model/jeep/liberty.html
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
billy ray wrote:
>
> Please see the section "What the Liberty could have been (Bob Sheaves)"
>
> http://www.allpar.com/model/jeep/liberty.html