new wheels-opinions/suggestions? heard of rocky-road.com? any other ideas?
#11
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Re: new wheels-opinions/suggestions? heard of rocky-road.com? any other ideas?
I bought once from Rocky Road (an ARB locker for my D30). i doubt i will
again. they have great prices, but if you're planning on buying from them,
i hope you aren't in a hurry. they sure aren't. Seems to be a common
complaint.
for simple black steelies (and many other items), i've had good experiences
with Summit racing http://store.summitracing.com
Chuck
"RocknTJ" <jetowle@***.net> wrote in message
news:eFlzc.35$Gy.29@fed1read03...
>
> I won't do anymore business with them. That is just me...
>
> "Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me."
>
> That's all I am saying....
>
> --James
>
> "Bob" <magicclaw@mac.com> wrote in message
> news:47b769ae.0406140933.27409437@posting.google.c om...
> > A friend is looking for some new wheels for his TJ, and wants of
> > course the normal things, a good looking wheel for less money. And, he
> > wants 3.5" backspacing.
> >
> > He found this site: http://www.rocky-road.com/wheels.html and asked me
> > what I thought; if I've ever heard of them or know anyone that has. Do
> > any of you know anything about this company, and what kind of quality
> > their wheels are?
> >
> > Or, do you have any other suggestions for a good looking inexpensive
> > street-legal rock crawling wheels? Specs he wants/needs:
> > 15x8 rim. Preferably black.
> > 3.5" backspacing.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Bob
>
>
again. they have great prices, but if you're planning on buying from them,
i hope you aren't in a hurry. they sure aren't. Seems to be a common
complaint.
for simple black steelies (and many other items), i've had good experiences
with Summit racing http://store.summitracing.com
Chuck
"RocknTJ" <jetowle@***.net> wrote in message
news:eFlzc.35$Gy.29@fed1read03...
>
> I won't do anymore business with them. That is just me...
>
> "Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me."
>
> That's all I am saying....
>
> --James
>
> "Bob" <magicclaw@mac.com> wrote in message
> news:47b769ae.0406140933.27409437@posting.google.c om...
> > A friend is looking for some new wheels for his TJ, and wants of
> > course the normal things, a good looking wheel for less money. And, he
> > wants 3.5" backspacing.
> >
> > He found this site: http://www.rocky-road.com/wheels.html and asked me
> > what I thought; if I've ever heard of them or know anyone that has. Do
> > any of you know anything about this company, and what kind of quality
> > their wheels are?
> >
> > Or, do you have any other suggestions for a good looking inexpensive
> > street-legal rock crawling wheels? Specs he wants/needs:
> > 15x8 rim. Preferably black.
> > 3.5" backspacing.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Bob
>
>
#12
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Re: new wheels-opinions/suggestions? heard of rocky-road.com? any other ideas?
I bought once from Rocky Road (an ARB locker for my D30). i doubt i will
again. they have great prices, but if you're planning on buying from them,
i hope you aren't in a hurry. they sure aren't. Seems to be a common
complaint.
for simple black steelies (and many other items), i've had good experiences
with Summit racing http://store.summitracing.com
Chuck
"RocknTJ" <jetowle@***.net> wrote in message
news:eFlzc.35$Gy.29@fed1read03...
>
> I won't do anymore business with them. That is just me...
>
> "Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me."
>
> That's all I am saying....
>
> --James
>
> "Bob" <magicclaw@mac.com> wrote in message
> news:47b769ae.0406140933.27409437@posting.google.c om...
> > A friend is looking for some new wheels for his TJ, and wants of
> > course the normal things, a good looking wheel for less money. And, he
> > wants 3.5" backspacing.
> >
> > He found this site: http://www.rocky-road.com/wheels.html and asked me
> > what I thought; if I've ever heard of them or know anyone that has. Do
> > any of you know anything about this company, and what kind of quality
> > their wheels are?
> >
> > Or, do you have any other suggestions for a good looking inexpensive
> > street-legal rock crawling wheels? Specs he wants/needs:
> > 15x8 rim. Preferably black.
> > 3.5" backspacing.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Bob
>
>
again. they have great prices, but if you're planning on buying from them,
i hope you aren't in a hurry. they sure aren't. Seems to be a common
complaint.
for simple black steelies (and many other items), i've had good experiences
with Summit racing http://store.summitracing.com
Chuck
"RocknTJ" <jetowle@***.net> wrote in message
news:eFlzc.35$Gy.29@fed1read03...
>
> I won't do anymore business with them. That is just me...
>
> "Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me."
>
> That's all I am saying....
>
> --James
>
> "Bob" <magicclaw@mac.com> wrote in message
> news:47b769ae.0406140933.27409437@posting.google.c om...
> > A friend is looking for some new wheels for his TJ, and wants of
> > course the normal things, a good looking wheel for less money. And, he
> > wants 3.5" backspacing.
> >
> > He found this site: http://www.rocky-road.com/wheels.html and asked me
> > what I thought; if I've ever heard of them or know anyone that has. Do
> > any of you know anything about this company, and what kind of quality
> > their wheels are?
> >
> > Or, do you have any other suggestions for a good looking inexpensive
> > street-legal rock crawling wheels? Specs he wants/needs:
> > 15x8 rim. Preferably black.
> > 3.5" backspacing.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Bob
>
>
#13
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Re: new wheels-opinions/suggestions? heard of rocky-road.com? any other ideas?
I bought once from Rocky Road (an ARB locker for my D30). i doubt i will
again. they have great prices, but if you're planning on buying from them,
i hope you aren't in a hurry. they sure aren't. Seems to be a common
complaint.
for simple black steelies (and many other items), i've had good experiences
with Summit racing http://store.summitracing.com
Chuck
"RocknTJ" <jetowle@***.net> wrote in message
news:eFlzc.35$Gy.29@fed1read03...
>
> I won't do anymore business with them. That is just me...
>
> "Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me."
>
> That's all I am saying....
>
> --James
>
> "Bob" <magicclaw@mac.com> wrote in message
> news:47b769ae.0406140933.27409437@posting.google.c om...
> > A friend is looking for some new wheels for his TJ, and wants of
> > course the normal things, a good looking wheel for less money. And, he
> > wants 3.5" backspacing.
> >
> > He found this site: http://www.rocky-road.com/wheels.html and asked me
> > what I thought; if I've ever heard of them or know anyone that has. Do
> > any of you know anything about this company, and what kind of quality
> > their wheels are?
> >
> > Or, do you have any other suggestions for a good looking inexpensive
> > street-legal rock crawling wheels? Specs he wants/needs:
> > 15x8 rim. Preferably black.
> > 3.5" backspacing.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Bob
>
>
again. they have great prices, but if you're planning on buying from them,
i hope you aren't in a hurry. they sure aren't. Seems to be a common
complaint.
for simple black steelies (and many other items), i've had good experiences
with Summit racing http://store.summitracing.com
Chuck
"RocknTJ" <jetowle@***.net> wrote in message
news:eFlzc.35$Gy.29@fed1read03...
>
> I won't do anymore business with them. That is just me...
>
> "Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me."
>
> That's all I am saying....
>
> --James
>
> "Bob" <magicclaw@mac.com> wrote in message
> news:47b769ae.0406140933.27409437@posting.google.c om...
> > A friend is looking for some new wheels for his TJ, and wants of
> > course the normal things, a good looking wheel for less money. And, he
> > wants 3.5" backspacing.
> >
> > He found this site: http://www.rocky-road.com/wheels.html and asked me
> > what I thought; if I've ever heard of them or know anyone that has. Do
> > any of you know anything about this company, and what kind of quality
> > their wheels are?
> >
> > Or, do you have any other suggestions for a good looking inexpensive
> > street-legal rock crawling wheels? Specs he wants/needs:
> > 15x8 rim. Preferably black.
> > 3.5" backspacing.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Bob
>
>
#14
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Re: new wheels-opinions/suggestions? heard of rocky-road.com? any other ideas?
Yeah it probably would be nice for you, but I have already been threatened
with a law suit from them, so I am not going to give details.
Good luck
--James
"twaldron" <thomas@OBVIOUSrubicons.com> wrote in message
news:yymzc.653$397.384@newssvr23.news.prodigy.com. ..
> It'd be nice if you clarified.
>
> RocknTJ wrote:
> > I won't do anymore business with them. That is just me...
> >
> > "Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me."
> >
> > That's all I am saying....
> >
> > --James
>
>
> --
> __________________________________________________ _________
> tw
>
> 03 TJ Rubicon - Rubicon Express 4.5"
> 01 XJ Sport
>
> There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
> -- Dave Barry
>
> Pronunciation: 'jEp
> Function: noun
> Date: 1940
>
> Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
> A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
> 1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
> World War II.
>
> (Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
> __________________________________________________ _________
>
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Re: new wheels-opinions/suggestions? heard of rocky-road.com? any other ideas?
Yeah it probably would be nice for you, but I have already been threatened
with a law suit from them, so I am not going to give details.
Good luck
--James
"twaldron" <thomas@OBVIOUSrubicons.com> wrote in message
news:yymzc.653$397.384@newssvr23.news.prodigy.com. ..
> It'd be nice if you clarified.
>
> RocknTJ wrote:
> > I won't do anymore business with them. That is just me...
> >
> > "Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me."
> >
> > That's all I am saying....
> >
> > --James
>
>
> --
> __________________________________________________ _________
> tw
>
> 03 TJ Rubicon - Rubicon Express 4.5"
> 01 XJ Sport
>
> There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
> -- Dave Barry
>
> Pronunciation: 'jEp
> Function: noun
> Date: 1940
>
> Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
> A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
> 1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
> World War II.
>
> (Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
> __________________________________________________ _________
>
#16
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Re: new wheels-opinions/suggestions? heard of rocky-road.com? any other ideas?
Yeah it probably would be nice for you, but I have already been threatened
with a law suit from them, so I am not going to give details.
Good luck
--James
"twaldron" <thomas@OBVIOUSrubicons.com> wrote in message
news:yymzc.653$397.384@newssvr23.news.prodigy.com. ..
> It'd be nice if you clarified.
>
> RocknTJ wrote:
> > I won't do anymore business with them. That is just me...
> >
> > "Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me."
> >
> > That's all I am saying....
> >
> > --James
>
>
> --
> __________________________________________________ _________
> tw
>
> 03 TJ Rubicon - Rubicon Express 4.5"
> 01 XJ Sport
>
> There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
> -- Dave Barry
>
> Pronunciation: 'jEp
> Function: noun
> Date: 1940
>
> Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
> A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
> 1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
> World War II.
>
> (Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
> __________________________________________________ _________
>
#17
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Re: new wheels-opinions/suggestions? heard of rocky-road.com? any other ideas?
Yeah it probably would be nice for you, but I have already been threatened
with a law suit from them, so I am not going to give details.
Good luck
--James
"twaldron" <thomas@OBVIOUSrubicons.com> wrote in message
news:yymzc.653$397.384@newssvr23.news.prodigy.com. ..
> It'd be nice if you clarified.
>
> RocknTJ wrote:
> > I won't do anymore business with them. That is just me...
> >
> > "Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me."
> >
> > That's all I am saying....
> >
> > --James
>
>
> --
> __________________________________________________ _________
> tw
>
> 03 TJ Rubicon - Rubicon Express 4.5"
> 01 XJ Sport
>
> There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
> -- Dave Barry
>
> Pronunciation: 'jEp
> Function: noun
> Date: 1940
>
> Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
> A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
> 1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
> World War II.
>
> (Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
> __________________________________________________ _________
>
#18
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Re: new wheels-opinions/suggestions? heard of rocky-road.com? anyother ideas?
I guess they win, then. Unfortunate. Money always seems to win out in
these things.
RocknTJ wrote:
> Yeah it probably would be nice for you, but I have already been threatened
> with a law suit from them, so I am not going to give details.
>
> Good luck
>
> --James
>
> "twaldron" <thomas@OBVIOUSrubicons.com> wrote in message
> news:yymzc.653$397.384@newssvr23.news.prodigy.com. ..
>
>>It'd be nice if you clarified.
>>
>>RocknTJ wrote:
>>
>>>I won't do anymore business with them. That is just me...
>>>
>>>"Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me."
>>>
>>>That's all I am saying....
>>>
>>>--James
>>
>>
>>--
>>________________________________________________ ___________
>>tw
>>
>>03 TJ Rubicon - Rubicon Express 4.5"
>>01 XJ Sport
>>
>>There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
>>-- Dave Barry
>>
>>Pronunciation: 'jEp
>>Function: noun
>>Date: 1940
>>
>>Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
>>A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
>>1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
>>World War II.
>>
>>(Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
>>________________________________________________ ___________
>>
>
>
>
--
__________________________________________________ _________
tw
03 TJ Rubicon - Rubicon Express 4.5"
01 XJ Sport
There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry
Pronunciation: 'jEp
Function: noun
Date: 1940
Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
World War II.
(Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
__________________________________________________ _________
these things.
RocknTJ wrote:
> Yeah it probably would be nice for you, but I have already been threatened
> with a law suit from them, so I am not going to give details.
>
> Good luck
>
> --James
>
> "twaldron" <thomas@OBVIOUSrubicons.com> wrote in message
> news:yymzc.653$397.384@newssvr23.news.prodigy.com. ..
>
>>It'd be nice if you clarified.
>>
>>RocknTJ wrote:
>>
>>>I won't do anymore business with them. That is just me...
>>>
>>>"Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me."
>>>
>>>That's all I am saying....
>>>
>>>--James
>>
>>
>>--
>>________________________________________________ ___________
>>tw
>>
>>03 TJ Rubicon - Rubicon Express 4.5"
>>01 XJ Sport
>>
>>There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
>>-- Dave Barry
>>
>>Pronunciation: 'jEp
>>Function: noun
>>Date: 1940
>>
>>Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
>>A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
>>1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
>>World War II.
>>
>>(Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
>>________________________________________________ ___________
>>
>
>
>
--
__________________________________________________ _________
tw
03 TJ Rubicon - Rubicon Express 4.5"
01 XJ Sport
There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry
Pronunciation: 'jEp
Function: noun
Date: 1940
Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
World War II.
(Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
__________________________________________________ _________
#19
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Re: new wheels-opinions/suggestions? heard of rocky-road.com? anyother ideas?
I guess they win, then. Unfortunate. Money always seems to win out in
these things.
RocknTJ wrote:
> Yeah it probably would be nice for you, but I have already been threatened
> with a law suit from them, so I am not going to give details.
>
> Good luck
>
> --James
>
> "twaldron" <thomas@OBVIOUSrubicons.com> wrote in message
> news:yymzc.653$397.384@newssvr23.news.prodigy.com. ..
>
>>It'd be nice if you clarified.
>>
>>RocknTJ wrote:
>>
>>>I won't do anymore business with them. That is just me...
>>>
>>>"Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me."
>>>
>>>That's all I am saying....
>>>
>>>--James
>>
>>
>>--
>>________________________________________________ ___________
>>tw
>>
>>03 TJ Rubicon - Rubicon Express 4.5"
>>01 XJ Sport
>>
>>There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
>>-- Dave Barry
>>
>>Pronunciation: 'jEp
>>Function: noun
>>Date: 1940
>>
>>Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
>>A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
>>1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
>>World War II.
>>
>>(Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
>>________________________________________________ ___________
>>
>
>
>
--
__________________________________________________ _________
tw
03 TJ Rubicon - Rubicon Express 4.5"
01 XJ Sport
There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry
Pronunciation: 'jEp
Function: noun
Date: 1940
Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
World War II.
(Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
__________________________________________________ _________
these things.
RocknTJ wrote:
> Yeah it probably would be nice for you, but I have already been threatened
> with a law suit from them, so I am not going to give details.
>
> Good luck
>
> --James
>
> "twaldron" <thomas@OBVIOUSrubicons.com> wrote in message
> news:yymzc.653$397.384@newssvr23.news.prodigy.com. ..
>
>>It'd be nice if you clarified.
>>
>>RocknTJ wrote:
>>
>>>I won't do anymore business with them. That is just me...
>>>
>>>"Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me."
>>>
>>>That's all I am saying....
>>>
>>>--James
>>
>>
>>--
>>________________________________________________ ___________
>>tw
>>
>>03 TJ Rubicon - Rubicon Express 4.5"
>>01 XJ Sport
>>
>>There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
>>-- Dave Barry
>>
>>Pronunciation: 'jEp
>>Function: noun
>>Date: 1940
>>
>>Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
>>A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
>>1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
>>World War II.
>>
>>(Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
>>________________________________________________ ___________
>>
>
>
>
--
__________________________________________________ _________
tw
03 TJ Rubicon - Rubicon Express 4.5"
01 XJ Sport
There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry
Pronunciation: 'jEp
Function: noun
Date: 1940
Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
World War II.
(Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
__________________________________________________ _________
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Re: new wheels-opinions/suggestions? heard of rocky-road.com? anyother ideas?
I guess they win, then. Unfortunate. Money always seems to win out in
these things.
RocknTJ wrote:
> Yeah it probably would be nice for you, but I have already been threatened
> with a law suit from them, so I am not going to give details.
>
> Good luck
>
> --James
>
> "twaldron" <thomas@OBVIOUSrubicons.com> wrote in message
> news:yymzc.653$397.384@newssvr23.news.prodigy.com. ..
>
>>It'd be nice if you clarified.
>>
>>RocknTJ wrote:
>>
>>>I won't do anymore business with them. That is just me...
>>>
>>>"Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me."
>>>
>>>That's all I am saying....
>>>
>>>--James
>>
>>
>>--
>>________________________________________________ ___________
>>tw
>>
>>03 TJ Rubicon - Rubicon Express 4.5"
>>01 XJ Sport
>>
>>There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
>>-- Dave Barry
>>
>>Pronunciation: 'jEp
>>Function: noun
>>Date: 1940
>>
>>Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
>>A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
>>1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
>>World War II.
>>
>>(Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
>>________________________________________________ ___________
>>
>
>
>
--
__________________________________________________ _________
tw
03 TJ Rubicon - Rubicon Express 4.5"
01 XJ Sport
There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry
Pronunciation: 'jEp
Function: noun
Date: 1940
Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
World War II.
(Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
__________________________________________________ _________
these things.
RocknTJ wrote:
> Yeah it probably would be nice for you, but I have already been threatened
> with a law suit from them, so I am not going to give details.
>
> Good luck
>
> --James
>
> "twaldron" <thomas@OBVIOUSrubicons.com> wrote in message
> news:yymzc.653$397.384@newssvr23.news.prodigy.com. ..
>
>>It'd be nice if you clarified.
>>
>>RocknTJ wrote:
>>
>>>I won't do anymore business with them. That is just me...
>>>
>>>"Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me."
>>>
>>>That's all I am saying....
>>>
>>>--James
>>
>>
>>--
>>________________________________________________ ___________
>>tw
>>
>>03 TJ Rubicon - Rubicon Express 4.5"
>>01 XJ Sport
>>
>>There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
>>-- Dave Barry
>>
>>Pronunciation: 'jEp
>>Function: noun
>>Date: 1940
>>
>>Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
>>A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
>>1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
>>World War II.
>>
>>(Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
>>________________________________________________ ___________
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03 TJ Rubicon - Rubicon Express 4.5"
01 XJ Sport
There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry
Pronunciation: 'jEp
Function: noun
Date: 1940
Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
World War II.
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