Re: New TJ REAL price?
"DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message news:WL1eb.1457$603.25@news2.central.cox.net... > Chuck did pass the time by typing: > > > Does anyone know where to find the actual price paid by the > > dealer? > > Only the dealers accountant knows that. > > -- > DougW > > Not so, Grasshopper. I bought my Ford truck and salesman worked off their actual cost. I simply let them know at the start that I knew they did not pay the price on the invoice and that I didn't care what was on the invoice statement they showed me. It worked. I got mine for $1560 less than invoice and they still made money. You just have be determined and courteous. -- HAV-A-GOOD 1 Chuck I didn't fight to the top of the food chain to be a vegetarian |
Re: New TJ REAL price?
Exactly, You go in with a preset payment and term and see if the dealer can
do a deal. -- HAV-A-GOOD 1 Chuck I didn't fight to the top of the food chain to be a vegetarian "Arvin" <arvin"no-spam"@mo-net.com> wrote in message news:vnhdgfnffo1l8d@corp.supernews.com... > If you don't care what the dealer makes and you have the money it all > depends on what you want to pay. You have the power and if you walk you > have even more power. Let them call you - and they will if you are > resonable and make them thow in all the extras when they agree to a price. > -- > 2CJs '82 258 CJ-7 O|||||||O > http://arvin.homestead.com/files/websignature.jpg > http://users.mo-net.com/arvin > > > "Chuck" <kb9kfs@hsonline.net> wrote in message > news:vnh96t9ppl79e8@corp.supernews.com... > > Thanks to all who have responded already. I know the dealer doesn't pay > the > > price shown on the invoice. There are a slew of unlisted discounts that > do > > not show on the invoice or are cut off before the dealer shows you the > > invoice. Does anyone know where to find the actual price paid by the > > dealer? > > > > I don't really care if the dealer makes $15,000 or $1,500 or $150 on the > > sale, as long as they sell at a price I can/will live with. > > > > -- > > HAV-A-GOOD 1 > > > > Chuck > > > > I didn't fight to the top of the food chain to be a vegetarian > > "Chuck" <kb9kfs@hsonline.net> wrote in message > > news:vngs6sr6043nb4@corp.supernews.com... > > > Does anyone know where I can find the real price, not invoice, a dealer > > pays > > > for a TJ? One local dealer has advertised a new Wrangler for $199 a > > month. > > > Of course, when I called it was sold. They will call me back with > details > > > if there is another one or try to sell me another model of course! > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > -- > > > HAV-A-GOOD 1 > > > > > > Chuck > > > > > > I didn't fight to the top of the food chain to be a vegetarian > > > > > > > > > > > > |
Re: New TJ REAL price?
Exactly, You go in with a preset payment and term and see if the dealer can
do a deal. -- HAV-A-GOOD 1 Chuck I didn't fight to the top of the food chain to be a vegetarian "Arvin" <arvin"no-spam"@mo-net.com> wrote in message news:vnhdgfnffo1l8d@corp.supernews.com... > If you don't care what the dealer makes and you have the money it all > depends on what you want to pay. You have the power and if you walk you > have even more power. Let them call you - and they will if you are > resonable and make them thow in all the extras when they agree to a price. > -- > 2CJs '82 258 CJ-7 O|||||||O > http://arvin.homestead.com/files/websignature.jpg > http://users.mo-net.com/arvin > > > "Chuck" <kb9kfs@hsonline.net> wrote in message > news:vnh96t9ppl79e8@corp.supernews.com... > > Thanks to all who have responded already. I know the dealer doesn't pay > the > > price shown on the invoice. There are a slew of unlisted discounts that > do > > not show on the invoice or are cut off before the dealer shows you the > > invoice. Does anyone know where to find the actual price paid by the > > dealer? > > > > I don't really care if the dealer makes $15,000 or $1,500 or $150 on the > > sale, as long as they sell at a price I can/will live with. > > > > -- > > HAV-A-GOOD 1 > > > > Chuck > > > > I didn't fight to the top of the food chain to be a vegetarian > > "Chuck" <kb9kfs@hsonline.net> wrote in message > > news:vngs6sr6043nb4@corp.supernews.com... > > > Does anyone know where I can find the real price, not invoice, a dealer > > pays > > > for a TJ? One local dealer has advertised a new Wrangler for $199 a > > month. > > > Of course, when I called it was sold. They will call me back with > details > > > if there is another one or try to sell me another model of course! > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > -- > > > HAV-A-GOOD 1 > > > > > > Chuck > > > > > > I didn't fight to the top of the food chain to be a vegetarian > > > > > > > > > > > > |
Re: New TJ REAL price?
Chuck did pass the time by typing:
> "DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message > news:WL1eb.1457$603.25@news2.central.cox.net... >> Chuck did pass the time by typing: >> >>> Does anyone know where to find the actual price paid by the >>> dealer? >> >> Only the dealers accountant knows that. > Not so, Grasshopper. I bought my Ford truck and salesman worked off their > actual cost. I simply let them know at the start that I knew they did not > pay the price on the invoice and that I didn't care what was on the invoice > statement they showed me. As I said, only the dealers accountant knows the actual number. You didn't comprehend the question or the answer. The question was "actual price" and that is only determined after all incentives and paybacks etc are calculated. Several of those numbers including sales quota bonus are only paid after the dealership hits a certain number of sales for a particular model. -- DougW |
Re: New TJ REAL price?
Chuck did pass the time by typing:
> "DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message > news:WL1eb.1457$603.25@news2.central.cox.net... >> Chuck did pass the time by typing: >> >>> Does anyone know where to find the actual price paid by the >>> dealer? >> >> Only the dealers accountant knows that. > Not so, Grasshopper. I bought my Ford truck and salesman worked off their > actual cost. I simply let them know at the start that I knew they did not > pay the price on the invoice and that I didn't care what was on the invoice > statement they showed me. As I said, only the dealers accountant knows the actual number. You didn't comprehend the question or the answer. The question was "actual price" and that is only determined after all incentives and paybacks etc are calculated. Several of those numbers including sales quota bonus are only paid after the dealership hits a certain number of sales for a particular model. -- DougW |
Re: New TJ REAL price?
Sorry, I asked the original question. I asked for a precise answer to a non
precise question. I was looking for an idea of what the DC dealer was paying so I could know where to start at in negotiating the sale price. -- HAV-A-GOOD 1 Chuck I didn't fight to the top of the food chain to be a vegetarian "DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message news:g83eb.1738$603.138@news2.central.cox.net... > Chuck did pass the time by typing: > > "DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message > > news:WL1eb.1457$603.25@news2.central.cox.net... > >> Chuck did pass the time by typing: > >> > >>> Does anyone know where to find the actual price paid by the > >>> dealer? > >> > >> Only the dealers accountant knows that. > > > Not so, Grasshopper. I bought my Ford truck and salesman worked off their > > actual cost. I simply let them know at the start that I knew they did not > > pay the price on the invoice and that I didn't care what was on the invoice > > statement they showed me. > > > As I said, only the dealers accountant knows the actual number. You didn't > comprehend the question or the answer. The question was "actual price" > and that is only determined after all incentives and paybacks etc are > calculated. Several of those numbers including sales quota bonus are > only paid after the dealership hits a certain number of sales for a particular > model. > > -- > DougW > > |
Re: New TJ REAL price?
Sorry, I asked the original question. I asked for a precise answer to a non
precise question. I was looking for an idea of what the DC dealer was paying so I could know where to start at in negotiating the sale price. -- HAV-A-GOOD 1 Chuck I didn't fight to the top of the food chain to be a vegetarian "DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message news:g83eb.1738$603.138@news2.central.cox.net... > Chuck did pass the time by typing: > > "DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message > > news:WL1eb.1457$603.25@news2.central.cox.net... > >> Chuck did pass the time by typing: > >> > >>> Does anyone know where to find the actual price paid by the > >>> dealer? > >> > >> Only the dealers accountant knows that. > > > Not so, Grasshopper. I bought my Ford truck and salesman worked off their > > actual cost. I simply let them know at the start that I knew they did not > > pay the price on the invoice and that I didn't care what was on the invoice > > statement they showed me. > > > As I said, only the dealers accountant knows the actual number. You didn't > comprehend the question or the answer. The question was "actual price" > and that is only determined after all incentives and paybacks etc are > calculated. Several of those numbers including sales quota bonus are > only paid after the dealership hits a certain number of sales for a particular > model. > > -- > DougW > > |
Re: New TJ REAL price?
Chuck did pass the time by typing:
> Sorry, I asked the original question. I asked for a precise answer to a non > precise question. I was looking for an idea of what the DC dealer was > paying so I could know where to start at in negotiating the sale price. np. I'm just being a grouch today. Crappy weather is keeping me from finishing up the projects I took today off for. :/ The dealerships make it all guess work for a reason. The best aproach I've read about and used was going to the bank and getting their price book. Using that as a starting point, then knocking off about 8% for holdback. I also checked last years prices vs KBB prices for the same vehicle and took that number right off the top. I should add, the markup depends on vehicle demand. Lower demand vehicles may not have more than 2-3% markup. Things like Vipers may have up to a 200% markup just because they know the consumer will pay it. Try here http://autos.msn.com/ http://www.edmunds.com/ http://www.carprices.com/ http://www.motortrend.com/ http://www.kbb.com/ -- DougW |
Re: New TJ REAL price?
Chuck did pass the time by typing:
> Sorry, I asked the original question. I asked for a precise answer to a non > precise question. I was looking for an idea of what the DC dealer was > paying so I could know where to start at in negotiating the sale price. np. I'm just being a grouch today. Crappy weather is keeping me from finishing up the projects I took today off for. :/ The dealerships make it all guess work for a reason. The best aproach I've read about and used was going to the bank and getting their price book. Using that as a starting point, then knocking off about 8% for holdback. I also checked last years prices vs KBB prices for the same vehicle and took that number right off the top. I should add, the markup depends on vehicle demand. Lower demand vehicles may not have more than 2-3% markup. Things like Vipers may have up to a 200% markup just because they know the consumer will pay it. Try here http://autos.msn.com/ http://www.edmunds.com/ http://www.carprices.com/ http://www.motortrend.com/ http://www.kbb.com/ -- DougW |
Re: New TJ REAL price?
Despite what Consumer Reports wants you to believe, invoice is indeed the
price at which MOST cars are sold to dealers, particularly those in high demand. However, when things get slow in the marketplace, or a particular model is in an over supply situation, then manufacturers will throw incentive money at the problem in the form of dealer rebates, up front cash, "0%" financing rates, etc. etc.to assist the dealers in moving the products out. Dealers don't work on consignment, they finance their own inventories (called a "floor plan"), generally through local banks or the auto mfrs' finance subsidiaries. So, if the thing sits around it's not only losing asset value as a commodity, it's costing the dealer daily interest to just look at it. Factory incentive money is referred to as "money in the trunk" in the auto industry. It's a play on a common retailing tactic to incentivise the market, it's not just a car industry thing. So, what do you pay? Well, if you want something is short supply and hot on the market, you'll pay over sticker for the privilege of owning it. If it's a marketplace turkey that not even your dead uncle would be seen in, then they may PAY YOU to take it of their hands. Depends upon what it is and how emotional you want to be with the purchase. "Chuck" <kb9kfs@hsonline.net> wrote in message news:vnh96t9ppl79e8@corp.supernews.com... > Thanks to all who have responded already. I know the dealer doesn't pay the > price shown on the invoice. There are a slew of unlisted discounts that do > not show on the invoice or are cut off before the dealer shows you the > invoice. Does anyone know where to find the actual price paid by the > dealer? > > I don't really care if the dealer makes $15,000 or $1,500 or $150 on the > sale, as long as they sell at a price I can/will live with. > > -- > HAV-A-GOOD 1 > > Chuck > > I didn't fight to the top of the food chain to be a vegetarian > "Chuck" <kb9kfs@hsonline.net> wrote in message > news:vngs6sr6043nb4@corp.supernews.com... > > Does anyone know where I can find the real price, not invoice, a dealer > pays > > for a TJ? One local dealer has advertised a new Wrangler for $199 a > month. > > Of course, when I called it was sold. They will call me back with details > > if there is another one or try to sell me another model of course! > > > > Thanks > > > > -- > > HAV-A-GOOD 1 > > > > Chuck > > > > I didn't fight to the top of the food chain to be a vegetarian > > > > > > |
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