Howard Eisenhauer

On Sun, 03 Jun 2007 02:06:34 GMT, Howard Eisenhauer
<howarde@REMOVECAPShfx.eastlink.ca> wrote:
*Snip*


>A buddy of mine is just finishing up a total 100% stock restoration of
>his '64 Bronco,
>
>H.
>

OOOOPS, My mistake, you're a *Scout* guy- No offence intended. I also
know a guy who's into Scouts :).

H.

zwsdotcom@gmail.com

On Jun 2, 10:06 pm, Howard Eisenhauer
<howa...@REMOVECAPShfx.eastlink.ca> wrote:

> Unless you're going down a 50% grade all the oil going out through the
> bearing ends up draining back into the case anyhow. If you're

Unfortunately not necessarily true. The fill line for the T90, near as
I can make out, is just about exactly where the oil level crosses that
return hole from the input shaft housing. How do I know this/why do I
care? My truck leaks from this point when moving; I think it is splash
[which the oil collector is supposed to reduce] :(

> Later cases added an o-ring to the front bearing cap to seal the input

Yea, the issue of the front seal really has me confused actually. The
factory configuration for my truck ('65) was a thick felt donut
(missing in both the trans's I own). Rockauto crosses the front seal
to something that looks like a neoprene ring. When I actually ordered
it, it turns out to be a metal ring with what looks and smells like a
leather seal inside it. Very odd. The rebuild kits come with the felt
seal; I'm not sure what my best path would be.

> http://www.willystech.com/wt/T90Rebu...T90rebuild.htm

I had read these extensively...

>http://www.tantel.ca/Images/The%20Sl..._Transmission/

but never saw this before, thanks.

zwsdotcom@gmail.com

On Jun 2, 10:06 pm, Howard Eisenhauer
<howa...@REMOVECAPShfx.eastlink.ca> wrote:

> Unless you're going down a 50% grade all the oil going out through the
> bearing ends up draining back into the case anyhow. If you're

Unfortunately not necessarily true. The fill line for the T90, near as
I can make out, is just about exactly where the oil level crosses that
return hole from the input shaft housing. How do I know this/why do I
care? My truck leaks from this point when moving; I think it is splash
[which the oil collector is supposed to reduce] :(

> Later cases added an o-ring to the front bearing cap to seal the input

Yea, the issue of the front seal really has me confused actually. The
factory configuration for my truck ('65) was a thick felt donut
(missing in both the trans's I own). Rockauto crosses the front seal
to something that looks like a neoprene ring. When I actually ordered
it, it turns out to be a metal ring with what looks and smells like a
leather seal inside it. Very odd. The rebuild kits come with the felt
seal; I'm not sure what my best path would be.

> http://www.willystech.com/wt/T90Rebu...T90rebuild.htm

I had read these extensively...

>http://www.tantel.ca/Images/The%20Sl..._Transmission/

but never saw this before, thanks.

zwsdotcom@gmail.com

On Jun 2, 10:06 pm, Howard Eisenhauer
<howa...@REMOVECAPShfx.eastlink.ca> wrote:

> Unless you're going down a 50% grade all the oil going out through the
> bearing ends up draining back into the case anyhow. If you're

Unfortunately not necessarily true. The fill line for the T90, near as
I can make out, is just about exactly where the oil level crosses that
return hole from the input shaft housing. How do I know this/why do I
care? My truck leaks from this point when moving; I think it is splash
[which the oil collector is supposed to reduce] :(

> Later cases added an o-ring to the front bearing cap to seal the input

Yea, the issue of the front seal really has me confused actually. The
factory configuration for my truck ('65) was a thick felt donut
(missing in both the trans's I own). Rockauto crosses the front seal
to something that looks like a neoprene ring. When I actually ordered
it, it turns out to be a metal ring with what looks and smells like a
leather seal inside it. Very odd. The rebuild kits come with the felt
seal; I'm not sure what my best path would be.

> http://www.willystech.com/wt/T90Rebu...T90rebuild.htm

I had read these extensively...

>http://www.tantel.ca/Images/The%20Sl..._Transmission/

but never saw this before, thanks.

zwsdotcom@gmail.com

On Jun 2, 10:06 pm, Howard Eisenhauer
<howa...@REMOVECAPShfx.eastlink.ca> wrote:

> Unless you're going down a 50% grade all the oil going out through the
> bearing ends up draining back into the case anyhow. If you're

Unfortunately not necessarily true. The fill line for the T90, near as
I can make out, is just about exactly where the oil level crosses that
return hole from the input shaft housing. How do I know this/why do I
care? My truck leaks from this point when moving; I think it is splash
[which the oil collector is supposed to reduce] :(

> Later cases added an o-ring to the front bearing cap to seal the input

Yea, the issue of the front seal really has me confused actually. The
factory configuration for my truck ('65) was a thick felt donut
(missing in both the trans's I own). Rockauto crosses the front seal
to something that looks like a neoprene ring. When I actually ordered
it, it turns out to be a metal ring with what looks and smells like a
leather seal inside it. Very odd. The rebuild kits come with the felt
seal; I'm not sure what my best path would be.

> http://www.willystech.com/wt/T90Rebu...T90rebuild.htm

I had read these extensively...

>http://www.tantel.ca/Images/The%20Sl..._Transmission/

but never saw this before, thanks.

Howard Eisenhauer

On Sun, 03 Jun 2007 02:52:04 -0000, zwsdotcom@gmail.com wrote:

>On Jun 2, 10:06 pm, Howard Eisenhauer
><howa...@REMOVECAPShfx.eastlink.ca> wrote:
>
>> Unless you're going down a 50% grade all the oil going out through the
>> bearing ends up draining back into the case anyhow. If you're
>
>Unfortunately not necessarily true. The fill line for the T90, near as
>I can make out, is just about exactly where the oil level crosses that
>return hole from the input shaft housing. How do I know this/why do I
>care? My truck leaks from this point when moving; I think it is splash
>[which the oil collector is supposed to reduce] :(
>

On level ground?? Sumptin isn't making sense here :? Of course, if a
T90 isn't leaking at least a little oil it can only mean one thing-
its out of oil :)

>> Later cases added an o-ring to the front bearing cap to seal the input
>
>Yea, the issue of the front seal really has me confused actually. The
>factory configuration for my truck ('65) was a thick felt donut
>(missing in both the trans's I own). Rockauto crosses the front seal
>to something that looks like a neoprene ring. When I actually ordered
>it, it turns out to be a metal ring with what looks and smells like a
>leather seal inside it. Very odd. The rebuild kits come with the felt
>seal; I'm not sure what my best path would be.

The felt seal is really more of a dust/mud inhibiter, obviously felt
won't stop oil from getting past. Not sure about the metal/leather
seal, only ever heard of the rubber ones, maybe a IH specific item? At
any rate the cap has to be specificly machined to take a seal- the T14
& IIRC later T90 caps have a thicker casting where the tube goes in to
facilitate fitting the seal, theres not enough material there on the
regular T90 cap.

Have you considered going with the sealed input bearing? Lots of
people are very happy with them. (Ignore the rebuild guide where they
say to remove the inner seal for lubrication, these bearings are
designed to go 100,000 miles as is.)

Have you tried Walck's for the collector-

http://www.walcks4wd.com/

It's rare that they don't have NOS stuff in stock, you can also try
Peter Debella-

http://www.debellajeepparts.com/CJ2transmission.htm

also pretty much guaranteed to have the collector in stock.

>
>> http://www.willystech.com/wt/T90Rebu...T90rebuild.htm
>
>I had read these extensively...
>
>>http://www.tantel.ca/Images/The%20Sl..._Transmission/
>
>but never saw this before, thanks.

You're welcome :)

Good luck,

H.

Howard Eisenhauer

On Sun, 03 Jun 2007 02:52:04 -0000, zwsdotcom@gmail.com wrote:

>On Jun 2, 10:06 pm, Howard Eisenhauer
><howa...@REMOVECAPShfx.eastlink.ca> wrote:
>
>> Unless you're going down a 50% grade all the oil going out through the
>> bearing ends up draining back into the case anyhow. If you're
>
>Unfortunately not necessarily true. The fill line for the T90, near as
>I can make out, is just about exactly where the oil level crosses that
>return hole from the input shaft housing. How do I know this/why do I
>care? My truck leaks from this point when moving; I think it is splash
>[which the oil collector is supposed to reduce] :(
>

On level ground?? Sumptin isn't making sense here :? Of course, if a
T90 isn't leaking at least a little oil it can only mean one thing-
its out of oil :)

>> Later cases added an o-ring to the front bearing cap to seal the input
>
>Yea, the issue of the front seal really has me confused actually. The
>factory configuration for my truck ('65) was a thick felt donut
>(missing in both the trans's I own). Rockauto crosses the front seal
>to something that looks like a neoprene ring. When I actually ordered
>it, it turns out to be a metal ring with what looks and smells like a
>leather seal inside it. Very odd. The rebuild kits come with the felt
>seal; I'm not sure what my best path would be.

The felt seal is really more of a dust/mud inhibiter, obviously felt
won't stop oil from getting past. Not sure about the metal/leather
seal, only ever heard of the rubber ones, maybe a IH specific item? At
any rate the cap has to be specificly machined to take a seal- the T14
& IIRC later T90 caps have a thicker casting where the tube goes in to
facilitate fitting the seal, theres not enough material there on the
regular T90 cap.

Have you considered going with the sealed input bearing? Lots of
people are very happy with them. (Ignore the rebuild guide where they
say to remove the inner seal for lubrication, these bearings are
designed to go 100,000 miles as is.)

Have you tried Walck's for the collector-

http://www.walcks4wd.com/

It's rare that they don't have NOS stuff in stock, you can also try
Peter Debella-

http://www.debellajeepparts.com/CJ2transmission.htm

also pretty much guaranteed to have the collector in stock.

>
>> http://www.willystech.com/wt/T90Rebu...T90rebuild.htm
>
>I had read these extensively...
>
>>http://www.tantel.ca/Images/The%20Sl..._Transmission/
>
>but never saw this before, thanks.

You're welcome :)

Good luck,

H.

Howard Eisenhauer

On Sun, 03 Jun 2007 02:52:04 -0000, zwsdotcom@gmail.com wrote:

>On Jun 2, 10:06 pm, Howard Eisenhauer
><howa...@REMOVECAPShfx.eastlink.ca> wrote:
>
>> Unless you're going down a 50% grade all the oil going out through the
>> bearing ends up draining back into the case anyhow. If you're
>
>Unfortunately not necessarily true. The fill line for the T90, near as
>I can make out, is just about exactly where the oil level crosses that
>return hole from the input shaft housing. How do I know this/why do I
>care? My truck leaks from this point when moving; I think it is splash
>[which the oil collector is supposed to reduce] :(
>

On level ground?? Sumptin isn't making sense here :? Of course, if a
T90 isn't leaking at least a little oil it can only mean one thing-
its out of oil :)

>> Later cases added an o-ring to the front bearing cap to seal the input
>
>Yea, the issue of the front seal really has me confused actually. The
>factory configuration for my truck ('65) was a thick felt donut
>(missing in both the trans's I own). Rockauto crosses the front seal
>to something that looks like a neoprene ring. When I actually ordered
>it, it turns out to be a metal ring with what looks and smells like a
>leather seal inside it. Very odd. The rebuild kits come with the felt
>seal; I'm not sure what my best path would be.

The felt seal is really more of a dust/mud inhibiter, obviously felt
won't stop oil from getting past. Not sure about the metal/leather
seal, only ever heard of the rubber ones, maybe a IH specific item? At
any rate the cap has to be specificly machined to take a seal- the T14
& IIRC later T90 caps have a thicker casting where the tube goes in to
facilitate fitting the seal, theres not enough material there on the
regular T90 cap.

Have you considered going with the sealed input bearing? Lots of
people are very happy with them. (Ignore the rebuild guide where they
say to remove the inner seal for lubrication, these bearings are
designed to go 100,000 miles as is.)

Have you tried Walck's for the collector-

http://www.walcks4wd.com/

It's rare that they don't have NOS stuff in stock, you can also try
Peter Debella-

http://www.debellajeepparts.com/CJ2transmission.htm

also pretty much guaranteed to have the collector in stock.

>
>> http://www.willystech.com/wt/T90Rebu...T90rebuild.htm
>
>I had read these extensively...
>
>>http://www.tantel.ca/Images/The%20Sl..._Transmission/
>
>but never saw this before, thanks.

You're welcome :)

Good luck,

H.

Howard Eisenhauer

On Sun, 03 Jun 2007 02:52:04 -0000, zwsdotcom@gmail.com wrote:

>On Jun 2, 10:06 pm, Howard Eisenhauer
><howa...@REMOVECAPShfx.eastlink.ca> wrote:
>
>> Unless you're going down a 50% grade all the oil going out through the
>> bearing ends up draining back into the case anyhow. If you're
>
>Unfortunately not necessarily true. The fill line for the T90, near as
>I can make out, is just about exactly where the oil level crosses that
>return hole from the input shaft housing. How do I know this/why do I
>care? My truck leaks from this point when moving; I think it is splash
>[which the oil collector is supposed to reduce] :(
>

On level ground?? Sumptin isn't making sense here :? Of course, if a
T90 isn't leaking at least a little oil it can only mean one thing-
its out of oil :)

>> Later cases added an o-ring to the front bearing cap to seal the input
>
>Yea, the issue of the front seal really has me confused actually. The
>factory configuration for my truck ('65) was a thick felt donut
>(missing in both the trans's I own). Rockauto crosses the front seal
>to something that looks like a neoprene ring. When I actually ordered
>it, it turns out to be a metal ring with what looks and smells like a
>leather seal inside it. Very odd. The rebuild kits come with the felt
>seal; I'm not sure what my best path would be.

The felt seal is really more of a dust/mud inhibiter, obviously felt
won't stop oil from getting past. Not sure about the metal/leather
seal, only ever heard of the rubber ones, maybe a IH specific item? At
any rate the cap has to be specificly machined to take a seal- the T14
& IIRC later T90 caps have a thicker casting where the tube goes in to
facilitate fitting the seal, theres not enough material there on the
regular T90 cap.

Have you considered going with the sealed input bearing? Lots of
people are very happy with them. (Ignore the rebuild guide where they
say to remove the inner seal for lubrication, these bearings are
designed to go 100,000 miles as is.)

Have you tried Walck's for the collector-

http://www.walcks4wd.com/

It's rare that they don't have NOS stuff in stock, you can also try
Peter Debella-

http://www.debellajeepparts.com/CJ2transmission.htm

also pretty much guaranteed to have the collector in stock.

>
>> http://www.willystech.com/wt/T90Rebu...T90rebuild.htm
>
>I had read these extensively...
>
>>http://www.tantel.ca/Images/The%20Sl..._Transmission/
>
>but never saw this before, thanks.

You're welcome :)

Good luck,

H.