Need help in troubleshooting ignition problem
04-03-2005, 02:21 PM
#21
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Re: Need help in troubleshooting ignition problem
Good catch Mike. I am reasonably sure that the V6 4.0 in the 95 ZJ
still has a CPS. Unfortunately the sensor itself is constructed of
pure "FailureToReadTheFineManualanium" and therefore quite expensive.
It is also somewhat difficult to locate, since the first problem
would be locating the other cylinder bank under the hood.
Mike Romain proclaimed:
> Bill, do V6's have that CPS? He says he has the V6.
>
> But other than a dead CPS, how is the body ground? If bad no spark. I
> test them by running a booster cable from the battery negative to the
> firewall. On the straight six, the ground is a wire mesh strap from the
> head to the firewall, don't know where it is on the V6 or V8.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> "L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
>
>>Hi Steve,
>> Ninety nine and nine tens percent of the time it is the Crankshaft
>>Position Sensor:
>>http://www.off-road.com/jeep/cheroke...tdcsensor.html
>>Pictured:
>>http://members.***.net/wilsond/Fixes...tml#CPSdetails
>> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>
>>Steve Smith wrote:
>>
>>>My 95 Grand Cherokee would not start today. It is not getting any ignition.
>>>The engine turns over fine but there is no spark from spark plug wires or
>>>from the coil. I've tested the coil with a ohmmeter and it checked out fine.
>>>I replaced the distributor cap and rotor button, but that didn't help. I
>>>fear it might be the Powertrain Control Module(PCM). My Haynes repair manual
>>>does not explain how to test this. Does anyone here know? Is there something
>>>else I should check? I have a 4.0L V6 motor.
>>>
>>>Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
>>>
>>>BTW- If it is the Powertrain Control Module, is it possible to purchase an
>>>after-market PCM that is better? I saw this on Ebay:
>>>http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...category=33597
>>>but I don't know if it a PCM replacement or just an add on.
>>>
>>>Steve Smith
still has a CPS. Unfortunately the sensor itself is constructed of
pure "FailureToReadTheFineManualanium" and therefore quite expensive.
It is also somewhat difficult to locate, since the first problem
would be locating the other cylinder bank under the hood.
Mike Romain proclaimed:
> Bill, do V6's have that CPS? He says he has the V6.
>
> But other than a dead CPS, how is the body ground? If bad no spark. I
> test them by running a booster cable from the battery negative to the
> firewall. On the straight six, the ground is a wire mesh strap from the
> head to the firewall, don't know where it is on the V6 or V8.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> "L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
>
>>Hi Steve,
>> Ninety nine and nine tens percent of the time it is the Crankshaft
>>Position Sensor:
>>http://www.off-road.com/jeep/cheroke...tdcsensor.html
>>Pictured:
>>http://members.***.net/wilsond/Fixes...tml#CPSdetails
>> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>
>>Steve Smith wrote:
>>
>>>My 95 Grand Cherokee would not start today. It is not getting any ignition.
>>>The engine turns over fine but there is no spark from spark plug wires or
>>>from the coil. I've tested the coil with a ohmmeter and it checked out fine.
>>>I replaced the distributor cap and rotor button, but that didn't help. I
>>>fear it might be the Powertrain Control Module(PCM). My Haynes repair manual
>>>does not explain how to test this. Does anyone here know? Is there something
>>>else I should check? I have a 4.0L V6 motor.
>>>
>>>Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
>>>
>>>BTW- If it is the Powertrain Control Module, is it possible to purchase an
>>>after-market PCM that is better? I saw this on Ebay:
>>>http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...category=33597
>>>but I don't know if it a PCM replacement or just an add on.
>>>
>>>Steve Smith
04-03-2005, 02:21 PM
#22
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Re: Need help in troubleshooting ignition problem
Good catch Mike. I am reasonably sure that the V6 4.0 in the 95 ZJ
still has a CPS. Unfortunately the sensor itself is constructed of
pure "FailureToReadTheFineManualanium" and therefore quite expensive.
It is also somewhat difficult to locate, since the first problem
would be locating the other cylinder bank under the hood.
Mike Romain proclaimed:
> Bill, do V6's have that CPS? He says he has the V6.
>
> But other than a dead CPS, how is the body ground? If bad no spark. I
> test them by running a booster cable from the battery negative to the
> firewall. On the straight six, the ground is a wire mesh strap from the
> head to the firewall, don't know where it is on the V6 or V8.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> "L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
>
>>Hi Steve,
>> Ninety nine and nine tens percent of the time it is the Crankshaft
>>Position Sensor:
>>http://www.off-road.com/jeep/cheroke...tdcsensor.html
>>Pictured:
>>http://members.***.net/wilsond/Fixes...tml#CPSdetails
>> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>
>>Steve Smith wrote:
>>
>>>My 95 Grand Cherokee would not start today. It is not getting any ignition.
>>>The engine turns over fine but there is no spark from spark plug wires or
>>>from the coil. I've tested the coil with a ohmmeter and it checked out fine.
>>>I replaced the distributor cap and rotor button, but that didn't help. I
>>>fear it might be the Powertrain Control Module(PCM). My Haynes repair manual
>>>does not explain how to test this. Does anyone here know? Is there something
>>>else I should check? I have a 4.0L V6 motor.
>>>
>>>Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
>>>
>>>BTW- If it is the Powertrain Control Module, is it possible to purchase an
>>>after-market PCM that is better? I saw this on Ebay:
>>>http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...category=33597
>>>but I don't know if it a PCM replacement or just an add on.
>>>
>>>Steve Smith
still has a CPS. Unfortunately the sensor itself is constructed of
pure "FailureToReadTheFineManualanium" and therefore quite expensive.
It is also somewhat difficult to locate, since the first problem
would be locating the other cylinder bank under the hood.
Mike Romain proclaimed:
> Bill, do V6's have that CPS? He says he has the V6.
>
> But other than a dead CPS, how is the body ground? If bad no spark. I
> test them by running a booster cable from the battery negative to the
> firewall. On the straight six, the ground is a wire mesh strap from the
> head to the firewall, don't know where it is on the V6 or V8.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> "L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
>
>>Hi Steve,
>> Ninety nine and nine tens percent of the time it is the Crankshaft
>>Position Sensor:
>>http://www.off-road.com/jeep/cheroke...tdcsensor.html
>>Pictured:
>>http://members.***.net/wilsond/Fixes...tml#CPSdetails
>> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>
>>Steve Smith wrote:
>>
>>>My 95 Grand Cherokee would not start today. It is not getting any ignition.
>>>The engine turns over fine but there is no spark from spark plug wires or
>>>from the coil. I've tested the coil with a ohmmeter and it checked out fine.
>>>I replaced the distributor cap and rotor button, but that didn't help. I
>>>fear it might be the Powertrain Control Module(PCM). My Haynes repair manual
>>>does not explain how to test this. Does anyone here know? Is there something
>>>else I should check? I have a 4.0L V6 motor.
>>>
>>>Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
>>>
>>>BTW- If it is the Powertrain Control Module, is it possible to purchase an
>>>after-market PCM that is better? I saw this on Ebay:
>>>http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...category=33597
>>>but I don't know if it a PCM replacement or just an add on.
>>>
>>>Steve Smith
04-03-2005, 04:40 PM
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Re: Need help in troubleshooting ignition problem
Merely unplugging it may bring it back to life, just like many times
we are forced to do that via instructions for hand held computers, my
phone machine, and my DirecTV satellite decoder.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Mike Romain wrote:
>
> They get bad connections easy, some spray contact cleaner in them and
> dielectric grease on the seal helps. Just unplugging is still good, the
> pin gets scratched enough to make a new contact usually.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
we are forced to do that via instructions for hand held computers, my
phone machine, and my DirecTV satellite decoder.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Mike Romain wrote:
>
> They get bad connections easy, some spray contact cleaner in them and
> dielectric grease on the seal helps. Just unplugging is still good, the
> pin gets scratched enough to make a new contact usually.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
04-03-2005, 04:40 PM
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Re: Need help in troubleshooting ignition problem
Merely unplugging it may bring it back to life, just like many times
we are forced to do that via instructions for hand held computers, my
phone machine, and my DirecTV satellite decoder.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Mike Romain wrote:
>
> They get bad connections easy, some spray contact cleaner in them and
> dielectric grease on the seal helps. Just unplugging is still good, the
> pin gets scratched enough to make a new contact usually.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
we are forced to do that via instructions for hand held computers, my
phone machine, and my DirecTV satellite decoder.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Mike Romain wrote:
>
> They get bad connections easy, some spray contact cleaner in them and
> dielectric grease on the seal helps. Just unplugging is still good, the
> pin gets scratched enough to make a new contact usually.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
04-03-2005, 04:40 PM
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Re: Need help in troubleshooting ignition problem
Merely unplugging it may bring it back to life, just like many times
we are forced to do that via instructions for hand held computers, my
phone machine, and my DirecTV satellite decoder.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Mike Romain wrote:
>
> They get bad connections easy, some spray contact cleaner in them and
> dielectric grease on the seal helps. Just unplugging is still good, the
> pin gets scratched enough to make a new contact usually.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
we are forced to do that via instructions for hand held computers, my
phone machine, and my DirecTV satellite decoder.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Mike Romain wrote:
>
> They get bad connections easy, some spray contact cleaner in them and
> dielectric grease on the seal helps. Just unplugging is still good, the
> pin gets scratched enough to make a new contact usually.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
04-03-2005, 07:12 PM
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Re: Need help in troubleshooting ignition problem
Thanks for the great help. It was the Crank Position Sensor. I purchased a
replacement from AutoZone for $55. After installing it, the car cranked
right up. The Crankshaft Position Sensor is not even mentioned in my Haynes
Jeep repair manual. I would not have been able to fix this if it was not for
the help in this group, especially L.W. ("ßill") ------ III . I can't thank
you enough.
Steve Smith
replacement from AutoZone for $55. After installing it, the car cranked
right up. The Crankshaft Position Sensor is not even mentioned in my Haynes
Jeep repair manual. I would not have been able to fix this if it was not for
the help in this group, especially L.W. ("ßill") ------ III . I can't thank
you enough.
Steve Smith
04-03-2005, 07:12 PM
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Re: Need help in troubleshooting ignition problem
Thanks for the great help. It was the Crank Position Sensor. I purchased a
replacement from AutoZone for $55. After installing it, the car cranked
right up. The Crankshaft Position Sensor is not even mentioned in my Haynes
Jeep repair manual. I would not have been able to fix this if it was not for
the help in this group, especially L.W. ("ßill") ------ III . I can't thank
you enough.
Steve Smith
replacement from AutoZone for $55. After installing it, the car cranked
right up. The Crankshaft Position Sensor is not even mentioned in my Haynes
Jeep repair manual. I would not have been able to fix this if it was not for
the help in this group, especially L.W. ("ßill") ------ III . I can't thank
you enough.
Steve Smith
04-03-2005, 07:12 PM
#28
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Re: Need help in troubleshooting ignition problem
Thanks for the great help. It was the Crank Position Sensor. I purchased a
replacement from AutoZone for $55. After installing it, the car cranked
right up. The Crankshaft Position Sensor is not even mentioned in my Haynes
Jeep repair manual. I would not have been able to fix this if it was not for
the help in this group, especially L.W. ("ßill") ------ III . I can't thank
you enough.
Steve Smith
replacement from AutoZone for $55. After installing it, the car cranked
right up. The Crankshaft Position Sensor is not even mentioned in my Haynes
Jeep repair manual. I would not have been able to fix this if it was not for
the help in this group, especially L.W. ("ßill") ------ III . I can't thank
you enough.
Steve Smith
04-03-2005, 07:27 PM
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Re: Need help in troubleshooting ignition problem
Hi Steve,
Thanks for telling us what your problem was.
I merely referred you to the site:
http://www.off-road.com/jeep/cheroke...tdcsensor.html
as I do 99% of the time.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Steve Smith wrote:
>
> Thanks for the great help. It was the Crank Position Sensor. I purchased a
> replacement from AutoZone for $55. After installing it, the car cranked
> right up. The Crankshaft Position Sensor is not even mentioned in my Haynes
> Jeep repair manual. I would not have been able to fix this if it was not for
> the help in this group, especially L.W. ("ßill") ------ III . I can't thank
> you enough.
> Steve Smith
Thanks for telling us what your problem was.
I merely referred you to the site:
http://www.off-road.com/jeep/cheroke...tdcsensor.html
as I do 99% of the time.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Steve Smith wrote:
>
> Thanks for the great help. It was the Crank Position Sensor. I purchased a
> replacement from AutoZone for $55. After installing it, the car cranked
> right up. The Crankshaft Position Sensor is not even mentioned in my Haynes
> Jeep repair manual. I would not have been able to fix this if it was not for
> the help in this group, especially L.W. ("ßill") ------ III . I can't thank
> you enough.
> Steve Smith
04-03-2005, 07:27 PM
#30
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Re: Need help in troubleshooting ignition problem
Hi Steve,
Thanks for telling us what your problem was.
I merely referred you to the site:
http://www.off-road.com/jeep/cheroke...tdcsensor.html
as I do 99% of the time.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Steve Smith wrote:
>
> Thanks for the great help. It was the Crank Position Sensor. I purchased a
> replacement from AutoZone for $55. After installing it, the car cranked
> right up. The Crankshaft Position Sensor is not even mentioned in my Haynes
> Jeep repair manual. I would not have been able to fix this if it was not for
> the help in this group, especially L.W. ("ßill") ------ III . I can't thank
> you enough.
> Steve Smith
Thanks for telling us what your problem was.
I merely referred you to the site:
http://www.off-road.com/jeep/cheroke...tdcsensor.html
as I do 99% of the time.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Steve Smith wrote:
>
> Thanks for the great help. It was the Crank Position Sensor. I purchased a
> replacement from AutoZone for $55. After installing it, the car cranked
> right up. The Crankshaft Position Sensor is not even mentioned in my Haynes
> Jeep repair manual. I would not have been able to fix this if it was not for
> the help in this group, especially L.W. ("ßill") ------ III . I can't thank
> you enough.
> Steve Smith