Navy Jelly
10-01-2004, 02:17 PM
#1
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Navy Jelly
OK, I'm preping my frame. I have silver POR 15 that will go on. I was told
I should use the metal prep that POR 15 sells. But when I ordered it, I
didn't get any.
Has anybody used "Navy Jelly" from an auto parts store before? Reading the
label it seems as if is desgned to do pretty much the same thing as the
metal prep from POR 15.
I should use the metal prep that POR 15 sells. But when I ordered it, I
didn't get any.
Has anybody used "Navy Jelly" from an auto parts store before? Reading the
label it seems as if is desgned to do pretty much the same thing as the
metal prep from POR 15.
10-01-2004, 07:44 PM
#2
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Re: Navy Jelly
Naval jelly is, AFAIK, phosphoric acid- same stuff thats in most rust
converters. Essentially it sucks up an oxygen atom from the rust
converting it into form of iron that dosen't rust as easily as the
regular stuff. This is about the best chemical to use, it attacts
the rust & pretty much leaves the underlying metal alone. Other acids
will work such as muriatic (hydrochloric) or even citric acid
(available from your favorite neighbourhood wine making supplies
store) but these are way more aggressive at eating everything, The
POR15 metal prep also includes a zinc compound that gets deposited
during the reaction & weakly bonds to the metal giving some
additional, but not total, protection. The main thing is that on
fresh smooth metal the zink gives the POR something to grab onto. If
your frame has been rusty/blasted/used/abused or otherwise changed
from from its initial factory fresh condition you can probably get
away with jelly.
I'm right at the same point you are right now, They Did send Me the
metal prep, maybe they like me better than you :). I've been smothing
down the piiting on the frame from the sandblasting so it'll look a
little better & the POR will fill better. By the time I get from one
end to the other the place where I started is turning brown again :(.
H.
On Fri, 1 Oct 2004 12:17:17 -0600, "Kevin S"
<ksperle@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:
>OK, I'm preping my frame. I have silver POR 15 that will go on. I was told
>I should use the metal prep that POR 15 sells. But when I ordered it, I
>didn't get any.
>
>Has anybody used "Navy Jelly" from an auto parts store before? Reading the
>label it seems as if is desgned to do pretty much the same thing as the
>metal prep from POR 15.
>
converters. Essentially it sucks up an oxygen atom from the rust
converting it into form of iron that dosen't rust as easily as the
regular stuff. This is about the best chemical to use, it attacts
the rust & pretty much leaves the underlying metal alone. Other acids
will work such as muriatic (hydrochloric) or even citric acid
(available from your favorite neighbourhood wine making supplies
store) but these are way more aggressive at eating everything, The
POR15 metal prep also includes a zinc compound that gets deposited
during the reaction & weakly bonds to the metal giving some
additional, but not total, protection. The main thing is that on
fresh smooth metal the zink gives the POR something to grab onto. If
your frame has been rusty/blasted/used/abused or otherwise changed
from from its initial factory fresh condition you can probably get
away with jelly.
I'm right at the same point you are right now, They Did send Me the
metal prep, maybe they like me better than you :). I've been smothing
down the piiting on the frame from the sandblasting so it'll look a
little better & the POR will fill better. By the time I get from one
end to the other the place where I started is turning brown again :(.
H.
On Fri, 1 Oct 2004 12:17:17 -0600, "Kevin S"
<ksperle@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:
>OK, I'm preping my frame. I have silver POR 15 that will go on. I was told
>I should use the metal prep that POR 15 sells. But when I ordered it, I
>didn't get any.
>
>Has anybody used "Navy Jelly" from an auto parts store before? Reading the
>label it seems as if is desgned to do pretty much the same thing as the
>metal prep from POR 15.
>
10-01-2004, 07:44 PM
#3
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Re: Navy Jelly
Naval jelly is, AFAIK, phosphoric acid- same stuff thats in most rust
converters. Essentially it sucks up an oxygen atom from the rust
converting it into form of iron that dosen't rust as easily as the
regular stuff. This is about the best chemical to use, it attacts
the rust & pretty much leaves the underlying metal alone. Other acids
will work such as muriatic (hydrochloric) or even citric acid
(available from your favorite neighbourhood wine making supplies
store) but these are way more aggressive at eating everything, The
POR15 metal prep also includes a zinc compound that gets deposited
during the reaction & weakly bonds to the metal giving some
additional, but not total, protection. The main thing is that on
fresh smooth metal the zink gives the POR something to grab onto. If
your frame has been rusty/blasted/used/abused or otherwise changed
from from its initial factory fresh condition you can probably get
away with jelly.
I'm right at the same point you are right now, They Did send Me the
metal prep, maybe they like me better than you :). I've been smothing
down the piiting on the frame from the sandblasting so it'll look a
little better & the POR will fill better. By the time I get from one
end to the other the place where I started is turning brown again :(.
H.
On Fri, 1 Oct 2004 12:17:17 -0600, "Kevin S"
<ksperle@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:
>OK, I'm preping my frame. I have silver POR 15 that will go on. I was told
>I should use the metal prep that POR 15 sells. But when I ordered it, I
>didn't get any.
>
>Has anybody used "Navy Jelly" from an auto parts store before? Reading the
>label it seems as if is desgned to do pretty much the same thing as the
>metal prep from POR 15.
>
converters. Essentially it sucks up an oxygen atom from the rust
converting it into form of iron that dosen't rust as easily as the
regular stuff. This is about the best chemical to use, it attacts
the rust & pretty much leaves the underlying metal alone. Other acids
will work such as muriatic (hydrochloric) or even citric acid
(available from your favorite neighbourhood wine making supplies
store) but these are way more aggressive at eating everything, The
POR15 metal prep also includes a zinc compound that gets deposited
during the reaction & weakly bonds to the metal giving some
additional, but not total, protection. The main thing is that on
fresh smooth metal the zink gives the POR something to grab onto. If
your frame has been rusty/blasted/used/abused or otherwise changed
from from its initial factory fresh condition you can probably get
away with jelly.
I'm right at the same point you are right now, They Did send Me the
metal prep, maybe they like me better than you :). I've been smothing
down the piiting on the frame from the sandblasting so it'll look a
little better & the POR will fill better. By the time I get from one
end to the other the place where I started is turning brown again :(.
H.
On Fri, 1 Oct 2004 12:17:17 -0600, "Kevin S"
<ksperle@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:
>OK, I'm preping my frame. I have silver POR 15 that will go on. I was told
>I should use the metal prep that POR 15 sells. But when I ordered it, I
>didn't get any.
>
>Has anybody used "Navy Jelly" from an auto parts store before? Reading the
>label it seems as if is desgned to do pretty much the same thing as the
>metal prep from POR 15.
>
10-01-2004, 07:44 PM
#4
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Re: Navy Jelly
Naval jelly is, AFAIK, phosphoric acid- same stuff thats in most rust
converters. Essentially it sucks up an oxygen atom from the rust
converting it into form of iron that dosen't rust as easily as the
regular stuff. This is about the best chemical to use, it attacts
the rust & pretty much leaves the underlying metal alone. Other acids
will work such as muriatic (hydrochloric) or even citric acid
(available from your favorite neighbourhood wine making supplies
store) but these are way more aggressive at eating everything, The
POR15 metal prep also includes a zinc compound that gets deposited
during the reaction & weakly bonds to the metal giving some
additional, but not total, protection. The main thing is that on
fresh smooth metal the zink gives the POR something to grab onto. If
your frame has been rusty/blasted/used/abused or otherwise changed
from from its initial factory fresh condition you can probably get
away with jelly.
I'm right at the same point you are right now, They Did send Me the
metal prep, maybe they like me better than you :). I've been smothing
down the piiting on the frame from the sandblasting so it'll look a
little better & the POR will fill better. By the time I get from one
end to the other the place where I started is turning brown again :(.
H.
On Fri, 1 Oct 2004 12:17:17 -0600, "Kevin S"
<ksperle@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:
>OK, I'm preping my frame. I have silver POR 15 that will go on. I was told
>I should use the metal prep that POR 15 sells. But when I ordered it, I
>didn't get any.
>
>Has anybody used "Navy Jelly" from an auto parts store before? Reading the
>label it seems as if is desgned to do pretty much the same thing as the
>metal prep from POR 15.
>
converters. Essentially it sucks up an oxygen atom from the rust
converting it into form of iron that dosen't rust as easily as the
regular stuff. This is about the best chemical to use, it attacts
the rust & pretty much leaves the underlying metal alone. Other acids
will work such as muriatic (hydrochloric) or even citric acid
(available from your favorite neighbourhood wine making supplies
store) but these are way more aggressive at eating everything, The
POR15 metal prep also includes a zinc compound that gets deposited
during the reaction & weakly bonds to the metal giving some
additional, but not total, protection. The main thing is that on
fresh smooth metal the zink gives the POR something to grab onto. If
your frame has been rusty/blasted/used/abused or otherwise changed
from from its initial factory fresh condition you can probably get
away with jelly.
I'm right at the same point you are right now, They Did send Me the
metal prep, maybe they like me better than you :). I've been smothing
down the piiting on the frame from the sandblasting so it'll look a
little better & the POR will fill better. By the time I get from one
end to the other the place where I started is turning brown again :(.
H.
On Fri, 1 Oct 2004 12:17:17 -0600, "Kevin S"
<ksperle@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:
>OK, I'm preping my frame. I have silver POR 15 that will go on. I was told
>I should use the metal prep that POR 15 sells. But when I ordered it, I
>didn't get any.
>
>Has anybody used "Navy Jelly" from an auto parts store before? Reading the
>label it seems as if is desgned to do pretty much the same thing as the
>metal prep from POR 15.
>
10-01-2004, 08:04 PM
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Re: Navy Jelly
Howard Eisenhauer did pass the time by typing:
> I'm right at the same point you are right now, They Did send Me the
> metal prep, maybe they like me better than you :). I've been smothing
> down the piiting on the frame from the sandblasting so it'll look a
> little better & the POR will fill better. By the time I get from one
> end to the other the place where I started is turning brown again :(.
Just hit that minor surface rust with a rust converter primer or prime
it immediately after you clean.
--
DougW
> I'm right at the same point you are right now, They Did send Me the
> metal prep, maybe they like me better than you :). I've been smothing
> down the piiting on the frame from the sandblasting so it'll look a
> little better & the POR will fill better. By the time I get from one
> end to the other the place where I started is turning brown again :(.
Just hit that minor surface rust with a rust converter primer or prime
it immediately after you clean.
--
DougW
10-01-2004, 08:04 PM
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Re: Navy Jelly
Howard Eisenhauer did pass the time by typing:
> I'm right at the same point you are right now, They Did send Me the
> metal prep, maybe they like me better than you :). I've been smothing
> down the piiting on the frame from the sandblasting so it'll look a
> little better & the POR will fill better. By the time I get from one
> end to the other the place where I started is turning brown again :(.
Just hit that minor surface rust with a rust converter primer or prime
it immediately after you clean.
--
DougW
> I'm right at the same point you are right now, They Did send Me the
> metal prep, maybe they like me better than you :). I've been smothing
> down the piiting on the frame from the sandblasting so it'll look a
> little better & the POR will fill better. By the time I get from one
> end to the other the place where I started is turning brown again :(.
Just hit that minor surface rust with a rust converter primer or prime
it immediately after you clean.
--
DougW
10-01-2004, 08:04 PM
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Re: Navy Jelly
Howard Eisenhauer did pass the time by typing:
> I'm right at the same point you are right now, They Did send Me the
> metal prep, maybe they like me better than you :). I've been smothing
> down the piiting on the frame from the sandblasting so it'll look a
> little better & the POR will fill better. By the time I get from one
> end to the other the place where I started is turning brown again :(.
Just hit that minor surface rust with a rust converter primer or prime
it immediately after you clean.
--
DougW
> I'm right at the same point you are right now, They Did send Me the
> metal prep, maybe they like me better than you :). I've been smothing
> down the piiting on the frame from the sandblasting so it'll look a
> little better & the POR will fill better. By the time I get from one
> end to the other the place where I started is turning brown again :(.
Just hit that minor surface rust with a rust converter primer or prime
it immediately after you clean.
--
DougW
10-04-2004, 04:28 PM
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Re: Navy Jelly
The only thing I know about naval jelly is that I need a Q-tip to clean it
out, and it often comes with a ball of lint.
"Kevin S" <ksperle@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:I8h7d.8$%h6.5054@news.uswest.net...
> OK, I'm preping my frame. I have silver POR 15 that will go on. I was
told
> I should use the metal prep that POR 15 sells. But when I ordered it, I
> didn't get any.
>
> Has anybody used "Navy Jelly" from an auto parts store before? Reading
the
> label it seems as if is desgned to do pretty much the same thing as the
> metal prep from POR 15.
>
>
out, and it often comes with a ball of lint.
"Kevin S" <ksperle@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:I8h7d.8$%h6.5054@news.uswest.net...
> OK, I'm preping my frame. I have silver POR 15 that will go on. I was
told
> I should use the metal prep that POR 15 sells. But when I ordered it, I
> didn't get any.
>
> Has anybody used "Navy Jelly" from an auto parts store before? Reading
the
> label it seems as if is desgned to do pretty much the same thing as the
> metal prep from POR 15.
>
>
10-04-2004, 04:28 PM
#9
Guest
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Re: Navy Jelly
The only thing I know about naval jelly is that I need a Q-tip to clean it
out, and it often comes with a ball of lint.
"Kevin S" <ksperle@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:I8h7d.8$%h6.5054@news.uswest.net...
> OK, I'm preping my frame. I have silver POR 15 that will go on. I was
told
> I should use the metal prep that POR 15 sells. But when I ordered it, I
> didn't get any.
>
> Has anybody used "Navy Jelly" from an auto parts store before? Reading
the
> label it seems as if is desgned to do pretty much the same thing as the
> metal prep from POR 15.
>
>
out, and it often comes with a ball of lint.
"Kevin S" <ksperle@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:I8h7d.8$%h6.5054@news.uswest.net...
> OK, I'm preping my frame. I have silver POR 15 that will go on. I was
told
> I should use the metal prep that POR 15 sells. But when I ordered it, I
> didn't get any.
>
> Has anybody used "Navy Jelly" from an auto parts store before? Reading
the
> label it seems as if is desgned to do pretty much the same thing as the
> metal prep from POR 15.
>
>
10-04-2004, 04:28 PM
#10
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Navy Jelly
The only thing I know about naval jelly is that I need a Q-tip to clean it
out, and it often comes with a ball of lint.
"Kevin S" <ksperle@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:I8h7d.8$%h6.5054@news.uswest.net...
> OK, I'm preping my frame. I have silver POR 15 that will go on. I was
told
> I should use the metal prep that POR 15 sells. But when I ordered it, I
> didn't get any.
>
> Has anybody used "Navy Jelly" from an auto parts store before? Reading
the
> label it seems as if is desgned to do pretty much the same thing as the
> metal prep from POR 15.
>
>
out, and it often comes with a ball of lint.
"Kevin S" <ksperle@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:I8h7d.8$%h6.5054@news.uswest.net...
> OK, I'm preping my frame. I have silver POR 15 that will go on. I was
told
> I should use the metal prep that POR 15 sells. But when I ordered it, I
> didn't get any.
>
> Has anybody used "Navy Jelly" from an auto parts store before? Reading
the
> label it seems as if is desgned to do pretty much the same thing as the
> metal prep from POR 15.
>
>