My opinion on the vicious, stupid Bill posting
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Re: My opinion on the vicious, stupid Bill posting
Earle Horton wrote:
<<snip>>
> >
> The Onans I used to work on would get oil on the cooling fins. Then dust
> from the environment would glue itself to the oil, providing a base for even
> more oil to stick there, and so on. The stuff would build up, just like it
> does on an air cooled Volkswagen with advanced mileage. Remember the
> squarebacks, with the paint burned off around the engine cooling vents? It
> would have been cool, to paint flames around them, but who needs that, when
> you have real flames?
Most Type III/IV fires happened beacuse of fuel leaks, not oil
gumming. It never happened on the Type I you will remember. It's pretty
easy to get pankake sheetmetal off and spray it down with Stoddard
solvent , which is the fix. Spray it down cold and let it sit a couple
of hours.
>
> Gunk is not a good thermal conductor. A problem is that you cannot readily
> clean the oil and "stuff" off the cooling fins, without removing some sheet
> metal. How this works out for you, depends on how the beast fits under the
> hood.
On the Deutz it's fairly easy to get the blower off and spray the
engine down with Stoddard solvent.
>
> Another problem, is that you cannot run an air cooled engine at idle,
> without losing cooling capacity. This loses you one of the advantages of a
> diesel for rock crawling, or even cruising along logging roads on a Sunday
> afternoon--low speed torque. You can't run them at the low speed, that you
> want to.
Provided you have an oil cooler set up properly a Deutz will crawl
nicely at 900 rpm. Gear for that and you are fine.
#102
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Re: My opinion on the vicious, stupid Bill posting
Earle Horton wrote:
<<snip>>
> >
> The Onans I used to work on would get oil on the cooling fins. Then dust
> from the environment would glue itself to the oil, providing a base for even
> more oil to stick there, and so on. The stuff would build up, just like it
> does on an air cooled Volkswagen with advanced mileage. Remember the
> squarebacks, with the paint burned off around the engine cooling vents? It
> would have been cool, to paint flames around them, but who needs that, when
> you have real flames?
Most Type III/IV fires happened beacuse of fuel leaks, not oil
gumming. It never happened on the Type I you will remember. It's pretty
easy to get pankake sheetmetal off and spray it down with Stoddard
solvent , which is the fix. Spray it down cold and let it sit a couple
of hours.
>
> Gunk is not a good thermal conductor. A problem is that you cannot readily
> clean the oil and "stuff" off the cooling fins, without removing some sheet
> metal. How this works out for you, depends on how the beast fits under the
> hood.
On the Deutz it's fairly easy to get the blower off and spray the
engine down with Stoddard solvent.
>
> Another problem, is that you cannot run an air cooled engine at idle,
> without losing cooling capacity. This loses you one of the advantages of a
> diesel for rock crawling, or even cruising along logging roads on a Sunday
> afternoon--low speed torque. You can't run them at the low speed, that you
> want to.
Provided you have an oil cooler set up properly a Deutz will crawl
nicely at 900 rpm. Gear for that and you are fine.
#103
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Re: My opinion on the vicious, stupid Bill posting
Earle Horton wrote:
<<snip>>
> >
> The Onans I used to work on would get oil on the cooling fins. Then dust
> from the environment would glue itself to the oil, providing a base for even
> more oil to stick there, and so on. The stuff would build up, just like it
> does on an air cooled Volkswagen with advanced mileage. Remember the
> squarebacks, with the paint burned off around the engine cooling vents? It
> would have been cool, to paint flames around them, but who needs that, when
> you have real flames?
Most Type III/IV fires happened beacuse of fuel leaks, not oil
gumming. It never happened on the Type I you will remember. It's pretty
easy to get pankake sheetmetal off and spray it down with Stoddard
solvent , which is the fix. Spray it down cold and let it sit a couple
of hours.
>
> Gunk is not a good thermal conductor. A problem is that you cannot readily
> clean the oil and "stuff" off the cooling fins, without removing some sheet
> metal. How this works out for you, depends on how the beast fits under the
> hood.
On the Deutz it's fairly easy to get the blower off and spray the
engine down with Stoddard solvent.
>
> Another problem, is that you cannot run an air cooled engine at idle,
> without losing cooling capacity. This loses you one of the advantages of a
> diesel for rock crawling, or even cruising along logging roads on a Sunday
> afternoon--low speed torque. You can't run them at the low speed, that you
> want to.
Provided you have an oil cooler set up properly a Deutz will crawl
nicely at 900 rpm. Gear for that and you are fine.
#104
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Re: My opinion on the vicious, stupid Bill posting
"Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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----snippy----
> Provided you have an oil cooler set up properly a Deutz will
> crawl nicely at 900 rpm. Gear for that and you are fine.
>
An oil cooler is no substitute for adequate cylinder cooling or should I say
proper cylinder temperature regulation. If you don't watch it, that
aftermarket or heavy duty oil cooler option will just restrict your main
cooling air flow. I am thinking that a heavier blower or a different size
crank pulley will help more.
Call me when you get to Silverton in it, and I will show you the trails and
logging roads. On second thought, I will probably hear you coming into
town.
Earle
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----snippy----
> Provided you have an oil cooler set up properly a Deutz will
> crawl nicely at 900 rpm. Gear for that and you are fine.
>
An oil cooler is no substitute for adequate cylinder cooling or should I say
proper cylinder temperature regulation. If you don't watch it, that
aftermarket or heavy duty oil cooler option will just restrict your main
cooling air flow. I am thinking that a heavier blower or a different size
crank pulley will help more.
Call me when you get to Silverton in it, and I will show you the trails and
logging roads. On second thought, I will probably hear you coming into
town.
Earle
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#105
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Re: My opinion on the vicious, stupid Bill posting
"Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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----snippy----
> Provided you have an oil cooler set up properly a Deutz will
> crawl nicely at 900 rpm. Gear for that and you are fine.
>
An oil cooler is no substitute for adequate cylinder cooling or should I say
proper cylinder temperature regulation. If you don't watch it, that
aftermarket or heavy duty oil cooler option will just restrict your main
cooling air flow. I am thinking that a heavier blower or a different size
crank pulley will help more.
Call me when you get to Silverton in it, and I will show you the trails and
logging roads. On second thought, I will probably hear you coming into
town.
Earle
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news:1146681861.736884.126270@u72g2000cwu.googlegr oups.com...
----snippy----
> Provided you have an oil cooler set up properly a Deutz will
> crawl nicely at 900 rpm. Gear for that and you are fine.
>
An oil cooler is no substitute for adequate cylinder cooling or should I say
proper cylinder temperature regulation. If you don't watch it, that
aftermarket or heavy duty oil cooler option will just restrict your main
cooling air flow. I am thinking that a heavier blower or a different size
crank pulley will help more.
Call me when you get to Silverton in it, and I will show you the trails and
logging roads. On second thought, I will probably hear you coming into
town.
Earle
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#106
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Re: My opinion on the vicious, stupid Bill posting
"Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1146681861.736884.126270@u72g2000cwu.googlegr oups.com...
----snippy----
> Provided you have an oil cooler set up properly a Deutz will
> crawl nicely at 900 rpm. Gear for that and you are fine.
>
An oil cooler is no substitute for adequate cylinder cooling or should I say
proper cylinder temperature regulation. If you don't watch it, that
aftermarket or heavy duty oil cooler option will just restrict your main
cooling air flow. I am thinking that a heavier blower or a different size
crank pulley will help more.
Call me when you get to Silverton in it, and I will show you the trails and
logging roads. On second thought, I will probably hear you coming into
town.
Earle
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news:1146681861.736884.126270@u72g2000cwu.googlegr oups.com...
----snippy----
> Provided you have an oil cooler set up properly a Deutz will
> crawl nicely at 900 rpm. Gear for that and you are fine.
>
An oil cooler is no substitute for adequate cylinder cooling or should I say
proper cylinder temperature regulation. If you don't watch it, that
aftermarket or heavy duty oil cooler option will just restrict your main
cooling air flow. I am thinking that a heavier blower or a different size
crank pulley will help more.
Call me when you get to Silverton in it, and I will show you the trails and
logging roads. On second thought, I will probably hear you coming into
town.
Earle
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Re: My opinion on the vicious, stupid Bill posting
Earle Horton wrote:
> "Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1146681861.736884.126270@u72g2000cwu.googlegr oups.com...
> ----snippy----
> > Provided you have an oil cooler set up properly a Deutz will
> > crawl nicely at 900 rpm. Gear for that and you are fine.
> >
> An oil cooler is no substitute for adequate cylinder cooling or should I say
> proper cylinder temperature regulation. If you don't watch it, that
> aftermarket or heavy duty oil cooler option will just restrict your main
> cooling air flow. I am thinking that a heavier blower or a different size
> crank pulley will help more.
>
> Call me when you get to Silverton in it, and I will show you the trails and
> logging roads. On second thought, I will probably hear you coming into
> town.
The Deutz has a distinctive and healthy sound. That's true.
But it also has a very well designed blower system that keeps it cool
across the power band as long as you are not lugging it. Low speed
crawling is using little power so the heads do not need to flow all
that much air.
The Deutz oiling is designed to use an outboard oil cooler at all
times which should be a low resistance affair. ALL air cooled engines
are partially oil cooled engines too, and the Deutz is designed with
that in mind. Before I got into working on this one I didn't realize
how much German design went into these little buggers and what
workhorses they are.
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Re: My opinion on the vicious, stupid Bill posting
Earle Horton wrote:
> "Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1146681861.736884.126270@u72g2000cwu.googlegr oups.com...
> ----snippy----
> > Provided you have an oil cooler set up properly a Deutz will
> > crawl nicely at 900 rpm. Gear for that and you are fine.
> >
> An oil cooler is no substitute for adequate cylinder cooling or should I say
> proper cylinder temperature regulation. If you don't watch it, that
> aftermarket or heavy duty oil cooler option will just restrict your main
> cooling air flow. I am thinking that a heavier blower or a different size
> crank pulley will help more.
>
> Call me when you get to Silverton in it, and I will show you the trails and
> logging roads. On second thought, I will probably hear you coming into
> town.
The Deutz has a distinctive and healthy sound. That's true.
But it also has a very well designed blower system that keeps it cool
across the power band as long as you are not lugging it. Low speed
crawling is using little power so the heads do not need to flow all
that much air.
The Deutz oiling is designed to use an outboard oil cooler at all
times which should be a low resistance affair. ALL air cooled engines
are partially oil cooled engines too, and the Deutz is designed with
that in mind. Before I got into working on this one I didn't realize
how much German design went into these little buggers and what
workhorses they are.
#109
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Re: My opinion on the vicious, stupid Bill posting
Earle Horton wrote:
> "Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1146681861.736884.126270@u72g2000cwu.googlegr oups.com...
> ----snippy----
> > Provided you have an oil cooler set up properly a Deutz will
> > crawl nicely at 900 rpm. Gear for that and you are fine.
> >
> An oil cooler is no substitute for adequate cylinder cooling or should I say
> proper cylinder temperature regulation. If you don't watch it, that
> aftermarket or heavy duty oil cooler option will just restrict your main
> cooling air flow. I am thinking that a heavier blower or a different size
> crank pulley will help more.
>
> Call me when you get to Silverton in it, and I will show you the trails and
> logging roads. On second thought, I will probably hear you coming into
> town.
The Deutz has a distinctive and healthy sound. That's true.
But it also has a very well designed blower system that keeps it cool
across the power band as long as you are not lugging it. Low speed
crawling is using little power so the heads do not need to flow all
that much air.
The Deutz oiling is designed to use an outboard oil cooler at all
times which should be a low resistance affair. ALL air cooled engines
are partially oil cooled engines too, and the Deutz is designed with
that in mind. Before I got into working on this one I didn't realize
how much German design went into these little buggers and what
workhorses they are.
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