musing about fuel savings
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Re: musing about fuel savings
They weren't state employees. It was a private outfit with a state
contract.
I am sure all the complaints and lawsuits over damage done to the vehicles
they were inspecting did not help...
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<Matt Osborn> wrote in message
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> Minnesota eliminated the inspections a few years back for exactly the
> reasons you mention. I was amazed that a government would eliminate
> part of itself.
>
> On Mon, 26 Sep 2005 00:11:58 -0400, "Billy Ray"
> <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote:
>
>>I just had to have my WJ inspected for its EPA certification.
>>
>>The "test" last week was different than ones in the past where a tailpipe
>>exhaust gas sniffer or visual examination was used.
>>
>>In the current testing they turn your vehicle off, turn the ignition
>>switch
>>on to see if your idiot lights work, start the vehicle to see if any
>>lights
>>come on, turn the engine off and connect to the car's OBD outlet and see
>>if
>>any codes are stored.
>>
>>So they don't actually check anything different than what you do every
>>morning when you start the car.
>>
>>My WJ passed but no one knows whether I passed by 1 point or 100. No one
>>knows if I have an excellently maintained vehicle or one that will fail if
>>were tested tomorrow.
>>
>>The program is being cancelled December 31st because the state determined
>>that the only cars that were failing were, generally, the ones that were
>>exempt from the standards.
>>
>>The test shows nothing, costs $19.50 (2 years certification), and I had to
>>drive through two ghetto areas to get there.
>
>
>
> -- msosborn at msosborn dot com
contract.
I am sure all the complaints and lawsuits over damage done to the vehicles
they were inspecting did not help...
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<Matt Osborn> wrote in message
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> Minnesota eliminated the inspections a few years back for exactly the
> reasons you mention. I was amazed that a government would eliminate
> part of itself.
>
> On Mon, 26 Sep 2005 00:11:58 -0400, "Billy Ray"
> <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote:
>
>>I just had to have my WJ inspected for its EPA certification.
>>
>>The "test" last week was different than ones in the past where a tailpipe
>>exhaust gas sniffer or visual examination was used.
>>
>>In the current testing they turn your vehicle off, turn the ignition
>>switch
>>on to see if your idiot lights work, start the vehicle to see if any
>>lights
>>come on, turn the engine off and connect to the car's OBD outlet and see
>>if
>>any codes are stored.
>>
>>So they don't actually check anything different than what you do every
>>morning when you start the car.
>>
>>My WJ passed but no one knows whether I passed by 1 point or 100. No one
>>knows if I have an excellently maintained vehicle or one that will fail if
>>were tested tomorrow.
>>
>>The program is being cancelled December 31st because the state determined
>>that the only cars that were failing were, generally, the ones that were
>>exempt from the standards.
>>
>>The test shows nothing, costs $19.50 (2 years certification), and I had to
>>drive through two ghetto areas to get there.
>
>
>
> -- msosborn at msosborn dot com
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Re: musing about fuel savings
Those are two Mallory Magnetos sticking out of Doug's top fuel car:
http://www.----------.com/temp/DougHerbert.jpg
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
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Bret Ludwig wrote:
>
> Now electronic ignitions put out way more zap than a mag at ANY speed.
> Magnetos are for museum pieces like vintage racers and Lycomings.
http://www.----------.com/temp/DougHerbert.jpg
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
Bret Ludwig wrote:
>
> Now electronic ignitions put out way more zap than a mag at ANY speed.
> Magnetos are for museum pieces like vintage racers and Lycomings.
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Those are two Mallory Magnetos sticking out of Doug's top fuel car:
http://www.----------.com/temp/DougHerbert.jpg
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
Bret Ludwig wrote:
>
> Now electronic ignitions put out way more zap than a mag at ANY speed.
> Magnetos are for museum pieces like vintage racers and Lycomings.
http://www.----------.com/temp/DougHerbert.jpg
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
Bret Ludwig wrote:
>
> Now electronic ignitions put out way more zap than a mag at ANY speed.
> Magnetos are for museum pieces like vintage racers and Lycomings.
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Re: musing about fuel savings
Those are two Mallory Magnetos sticking out of Doug's top fuel car:
http://www.----------.com/temp/DougHerbert.jpg
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
Bret Ludwig wrote:
>
> Now electronic ignitions put out way more zap than a mag at ANY speed.
> Magnetos are for museum pieces like vintage racers and Lycomings.
http://www.----------.com/temp/DougHerbert.jpg
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
Bret Ludwig wrote:
>
> Now electronic ignitions put out way more zap than a mag at ANY speed.
> Magnetos are for museum pieces like vintage racers and Lycomings.
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The D-5 heads were dual sparked but they didn't come about till about '70
and they were a 'race only' item.
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"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
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> This '66 Charger 426":
> http://members.aol.com/franangrenteria/frank55.jpg doesn't, as I've been
> inside it, nor do these sixteen thousand dollar crate motors:
> http://www.wyckoff-mopar-parts.com/528hemcratmo.html
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Bret Ludwig wrote:
>>
>> All the early 426 castings did, I can remember seeing a set in an auto
>> machine shop in '79 or so and asking. All the fuelers had two plugs and
>> some apparently had three. But NASCAR engines did too.
>>
>> Road race Aston Martins and Maseratis did too. The street versions
>> didn't, but the wealthy Europeans would promptly have them retrofitted.
>> The port in the head was there, sometimes with a dummy plug and
>> sometimes just undrilled and tapped. The hot setup was one mag and one
>> distributor, for easy starting and excellent top end. But getting them
>> synched was a bugger.
>>
>> Now electronic ignitions put out way more zap than a mag at ANY speed.
>> Magnetos are for museum pieces like vintage racers and Lycomings.
and they were a 'race only' item.
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"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
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> This '66 Charger 426":
> http://members.aol.com/franangrenteria/frank55.jpg doesn't, as I've been
> inside it, nor do these sixteen thousand dollar crate motors:
> http://www.wyckoff-mopar-parts.com/528hemcratmo.html
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Bret Ludwig wrote:
>>
>> All the early 426 castings did, I can remember seeing a set in an auto
>> machine shop in '79 or so and asking. All the fuelers had two plugs and
>> some apparently had three. But NASCAR engines did too.
>>
>> Road race Aston Martins and Maseratis did too. The street versions
>> didn't, but the wealthy Europeans would promptly have them retrofitted.
>> The port in the head was there, sometimes with a dummy plug and
>> sometimes just undrilled and tapped. The hot setup was one mag and one
>> distributor, for easy starting and excellent top end. But getting them
>> synched was a bugger.
>>
>> Now electronic ignitions put out way more zap than a mag at ANY speed.
>> Magnetos are for museum pieces like vintage racers and Lycomings.
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Re: musing about fuel savings
The D-5 heads were dual sparked but they didn't come about till about '70
and they were a 'race only' item.
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"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
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> This '66 Charger 426":
> http://members.aol.com/franangrenteria/frank55.jpg doesn't, as I've been
> inside it, nor do these sixteen thousand dollar crate motors:
> http://www.wyckoff-mopar-parts.com/528hemcratmo.html
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Bret Ludwig wrote:
>>
>> All the early 426 castings did, I can remember seeing a set in an auto
>> machine shop in '79 or so and asking. All the fuelers had two plugs and
>> some apparently had three. But NASCAR engines did too.
>>
>> Road race Aston Martins and Maseratis did too. The street versions
>> didn't, but the wealthy Europeans would promptly have them retrofitted.
>> The port in the head was there, sometimes with a dummy plug and
>> sometimes just undrilled and tapped. The hot setup was one mag and one
>> distributor, for easy starting and excellent top end. But getting them
>> synched was a bugger.
>>
>> Now electronic ignitions put out way more zap than a mag at ANY speed.
>> Magnetos are for museum pieces like vintage racers and Lycomings.
and they were a 'race only' item.
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"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
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> This '66 Charger 426":
> http://members.aol.com/franangrenteria/frank55.jpg doesn't, as I've been
> inside it, nor do these sixteen thousand dollar crate motors:
> http://www.wyckoff-mopar-parts.com/528hemcratmo.html
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Bret Ludwig wrote:
>>
>> All the early 426 castings did, I can remember seeing a set in an auto
>> machine shop in '79 or so and asking. All the fuelers had two plugs and
>> some apparently had three. But NASCAR engines did too.
>>
>> Road race Aston Martins and Maseratis did too. The street versions
>> didn't, but the wealthy Europeans would promptly have them retrofitted.
>> The port in the head was there, sometimes with a dummy plug and
>> sometimes just undrilled and tapped. The hot setup was one mag and one
>> distributor, for easy starting and excellent top end. But getting them
>> synched was a bugger.
>>
>> Now electronic ignitions put out way more zap than a mag at ANY speed.
>> Magnetos are for museum pieces like vintage racers and Lycomings.
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Re: musing about fuel savings
The D-5 heads were dual sparked but they didn't come about till about '70
and they were a 'race only' item.
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"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
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> This '66 Charger 426":
> http://members.aol.com/franangrenteria/frank55.jpg doesn't, as I've been
> inside it, nor do these sixteen thousand dollar crate motors:
> http://www.wyckoff-mopar-parts.com/528hemcratmo.html
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Bret Ludwig wrote:
>>
>> All the early 426 castings did, I can remember seeing a set in an auto
>> machine shop in '79 or so and asking. All the fuelers had two plugs and
>> some apparently had three. But NASCAR engines did too.
>>
>> Road race Aston Martins and Maseratis did too. The street versions
>> didn't, but the wealthy Europeans would promptly have them retrofitted.
>> The port in the head was there, sometimes with a dummy plug and
>> sometimes just undrilled and tapped. The hot setup was one mag and one
>> distributor, for easy starting and excellent top end. But getting them
>> synched was a bugger.
>>
>> Now electronic ignitions put out way more zap than a mag at ANY speed.
>> Magnetos are for museum pieces like vintage racers and Lycomings.
and they were a 'race only' item.
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..
"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:43378D86.B8C61DCC@***.net...
> This '66 Charger 426":
> http://members.aol.com/franangrenteria/frank55.jpg doesn't, as I've been
> inside it, nor do these sixteen thousand dollar crate motors:
> http://www.wyckoff-mopar-parts.com/528hemcratmo.html
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Bret Ludwig wrote:
>>
>> All the early 426 castings did, I can remember seeing a set in an auto
>> machine shop in '79 or so and asking. All the fuelers had two plugs and
>> some apparently had three. But NASCAR engines did too.
>>
>> Road race Aston Martins and Maseratis did too. The street versions
>> didn't, but the wealthy Europeans would promptly have them retrofitted.
>> The port in the head was there, sometimes with a dummy plug and
>> sometimes just undrilled and tapped. The hot setup was one mag and one
>> distributor, for easy starting and excellent top end. But getting them
>> synched was a bugger.
>>
>> Now electronic ignitions put out way more zap than a mag at ANY speed.
>> Magnetos are for museum pieces like vintage racers and Lycomings.
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Never did anything with it other than playing, Bill. The one setup I
messed with when the subject of backup generators came up had a
threshold switch that kept the regulator bypassed (actually open)
until the initial voltage reached 12.6 volts. At that level, it would
latch and connect the regulator plus starting the detector for excess
available current to determine when to connect the load. Whole thing
was to evaluate backup systems to see if they could be made reliable
enough with prolonged idle periods - batteries tended to degrade after
2-3 years - and we had to be able to hand crank the suckers. We
finally gave it up since we could not rely on enough self-excitation
to power the ignition circuit and there was significant resistance
from the bean counters to retro-fitting magneto ignition.
On Mon, 26 Sep 2005 06:06:49 UTC L.W.(ßill) ------ III
<----------@***.net> wrote:
> Something would be wrong, you risk over charging the battery if
> somehow the regulator were bypassed.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Will Honea wrote:
> >
> > Most alternators will also self-excite IF you pull all the load off it
> > until it reaches breakover voltage. The soft iron rotor retains a
> > small amount of residual magnetism. Not completely reliable or
> > repeatable, but most I played with would come up if I used a voltage
> > threshold on the regulator and isolated the load side. Not as
> > reliable at it as a genrator, but I've never thrown a commutator
> > segment in an alternator, either.
> >
> > --
> > Will Honea
--
Will Honea
messed with when the subject of backup generators came up had a
threshold switch that kept the regulator bypassed (actually open)
until the initial voltage reached 12.6 volts. At that level, it would
latch and connect the regulator plus starting the detector for excess
available current to determine when to connect the load. Whole thing
was to evaluate backup systems to see if they could be made reliable
enough with prolonged idle periods - batteries tended to degrade after
2-3 years - and we had to be able to hand crank the suckers. We
finally gave it up since we could not rely on enough self-excitation
to power the ignition circuit and there was significant resistance
from the bean counters to retro-fitting magneto ignition.
On Mon, 26 Sep 2005 06:06:49 UTC L.W.(ßill) ------ III
<----------@***.net> wrote:
> Something would be wrong, you risk over charging the battery if
> somehow the regulator were bypassed.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Will Honea wrote:
> >
> > Most alternators will also self-excite IF you pull all the load off it
> > until it reaches breakover voltage. The soft iron rotor retains a
> > small amount of residual magnetism. Not completely reliable or
> > repeatable, but most I played with would come up if I used a voltage
> > threshold on the regulator and isolated the load side. Not as
> > reliable at it as a genrator, but I've never thrown a commutator
> > segment in an alternator, either.
> >
> > --
> > Will Honea
--
Will Honea
#189
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Re: musing about fuel savings
Never did anything with it other than playing, Bill. The one setup I
messed with when the subject of backup generators came up had a
threshold switch that kept the regulator bypassed (actually open)
until the initial voltage reached 12.6 volts. At that level, it would
latch and connect the regulator plus starting the detector for excess
available current to determine when to connect the load. Whole thing
was to evaluate backup systems to see if they could be made reliable
enough with prolonged idle periods - batteries tended to degrade after
2-3 years - and we had to be able to hand crank the suckers. We
finally gave it up since we could not rely on enough self-excitation
to power the ignition circuit and there was significant resistance
from the bean counters to retro-fitting magneto ignition.
On Mon, 26 Sep 2005 06:06:49 UTC L.W.(ßill) ------ III
<----------@***.net> wrote:
> Something would be wrong, you risk over charging the battery if
> somehow the regulator were bypassed.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Will Honea wrote:
> >
> > Most alternators will also self-excite IF you pull all the load off it
> > until it reaches breakover voltage. The soft iron rotor retains a
> > small amount of residual magnetism. Not completely reliable or
> > repeatable, but most I played with would come up if I used a voltage
> > threshold on the regulator and isolated the load side. Not as
> > reliable at it as a genrator, but I've never thrown a commutator
> > segment in an alternator, either.
> >
> > --
> > Will Honea
--
Will Honea
messed with when the subject of backup generators came up had a
threshold switch that kept the regulator bypassed (actually open)
until the initial voltage reached 12.6 volts. At that level, it would
latch and connect the regulator plus starting the detector for excess
available current to determine when to connect the load. Whole thing
was to evaluate backup systems to see if they could be made reliable
enough with prolonged idle periods - batteries tended to degrade after
2-3 years - and we had to be able to hand crank the suckers. We
finally gave it up since we could not rely on enough self-excitation
to power the ignition circuit and there was significant resistance
from the bean counters to retro-fitting magneto ignition.
On Mon, 26 Sep 2005 06:06:49 UTC L.W.(ßill) ------ III
<----------@***.net> wrote:
> Something would be wrong, you risk over charging the battery if
> somehow the regulator were bypassed.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Will Honea wrote:
> >
> > Most alternators will also self-excite IF you pull all the load off it
> > until it reaches breakover voltage. The soft iron rotor retains a
> > small amount of residual magnetism. Not completely reliable or
> > repeatable, but most I played with would come up if I used a voltage
> > threshold on the regulator and isolated the load side. Not as
> > reliable at it as a genrator, but I've never thrown a commutator
> > segment in an alternator, either.
> >
> > --
> > Will Honea
--
Will Honea
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Re: musing about fuel savings
Never did anything with it other than playing, Bill. The one setup I
messed with when the subject of backup generators came up had a
threshold switch that kept the regulator bypassed (actually open)
until the initial voltage reached 12.6 volts. At that level, it would
latch and connect the regulator plus starting the detector for excess
available current to determine when to connect the load. Whole thing
was to evaluate backup systems to see if they could be made reliable
enough with prolonged idle periods - batteries tended to degrade after
2-3 years - and we had to be able to hand crank the suckers. We
finally gave it up since we could not rely on enough self-excitation
to power the ignition circuit and there was significant resistance
from the bean counters to retro-fitting magneto ignition.
On Mon, 26 Sep 2005 06:06:49 UTC L.W.(ßill) ------ III
<----------@***.net> wrote:
> Something would be wrong, you risk over charging the battery if
> somehow the regulator were bypassed.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Will Honea wrote:
> >
> > Most alternators will also self-excite IF you pull all the load off it
> > until it reaches breakover voltage. The soft iron rotor retains a
> > small amount of residual magnetism. Not completely reliable or
> > repeatable, but most I played with would come up if I used a voltage
> > threshold on the regulator and isolated the load side. Not as
> > reliable at it as a genrator, but I've never thrown a commutator
> > segment in an alternator, either.
> >
> > --
> > Will Honea
--
Will Honea
messed with when the subject of backup generators came up had a
threshold switch that kept the regulator bypassed (actually open)
until the initial voltage reached 12.6 volts. At that level, it would
latch and connect the regulator plus starting the detector for excess
available current to determine when to connect the load. Whole thing
was to evaluate backup systems to see if they could be made reliable
enough with prolonged idle periods - batteries tended to degrade after
2-3 years - and we had to be able to hand crank the suckers. We
finally gave it up since we could not rely on enough self-excitation
to power the ignition circuit and there was significant resistance
from the bean counters to retro-fitting magneto ignition.
On Mon, 26 Sep 2005 06:06:49 UTC L.W.(ßill) ------ III
<----------@***.net> wrote:
> Something would be wrong, you risk over charging the battery if
> somehow the regulator were bypassed.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Will Honea wrote:
> >
> > Most alternators will also self-excite IF you pull all the load off it
> > until it reaches breakover voltage. The soft iron rotor retains a
> > small amount of residual magnetism. Not completely reliable or
> > repeatable, but most I played with would come up if I used a voltage
> > threshold on the regulator and isolated the load side. Not as
> > reliable at it as a genrator, but I've never thrown a commutator
> > segment in an alternator, either.
> >
> > --
> > Will Honea
--
Will Honea