MTBE vs. Ethanol
10-24-2005, 09:03 PM
#1
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MTBE vs. Ethanol
I just heard an interesting thing on Goss' Garage Radio Show this past
weekend. He stated that MTBE is an additive that helps to oxygenate fuel,
but it is a pollutant and as such has been banned in twenty-two states. In
those states (he didn't name them) the alternative to MTBE is used -- Ethyl
Alcohol (Ethanol). He states that MTBE and Ethanol are not compatible with
one another and suggests that if your traveling from an MTBE state to an
Ethanol state, you should make sure that your tank is very near empty before
you fill up. The reverse is also true. He went on to state that when MTBE
and Ethanol are mixed in sufficient quantity (a half tank full will do it)
the chemicals react and generate a gummy precipitate that will clog fuel
filters and injectors sufficiently so to cause hard starts, rough idling,
and even stalls. Ed Goss has a good reputation in the Maryland/DC area and
his opinion seems very credible.
Has anyone here heard something similar? Curious to know.
Scott
weekend. He stated that MTBE is an additive that helps to oxygenate fuel,
but it is a pollutant and as such has been banned in twenty-two states. In
those states (he didn't name them) the alternative to MTBE is used -- Ethyl
Alcohol (Ethanol). He states that MTBE and Ethanol are not compatible with
one another and suggests that if your traveling from an MTBE state to an
Ethanol state, you should make sure that your tank is very near empty before
you fill up. The reverse is also true. He went on to state that when MTBE
and Ethanol are mixed in sufficient quantity (a half tank full will do it)
the chemicals react and generate a gummy precipitate that will clog fuel
filters and injectors sufficiently so to cause hard starts, rough idling,
and even stalls. Ed Goss has a good reputation in the Maryland/DC area and
his opinion seems very credible.
Has anyone here heard something similar? Curious to know.
Scott
10-24-2005, 09:13 PM
#2
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Re: MTBE vs. Ethanol
..... and which states are which?
"reconair" <reconair@staffnet.com> wrote in message
news:11lr132avnsb279@corp.supernews.com...
> I just heard an interesting thing on Goss' Garage Radio Show this past
> weekend. He stated that MTBE is an additive that helps to oxygenate fuel,
> but it is a pollutant and as such has been banned in twenty-two states.
In
> those states (he didn't name them) the alternative to MTBE is used --
Ethyl
> Alcohol (Ethanol). He states that MTBE and Ethanol are not compatible
with
> one another and suggests that if your traveling from an MTBE state to an
> Ethanol state, you should make sure that your tank is very near empty
before
> you fill up. The reverse is also true. He went on to state that when MTBE
> and Ethanol are mixed in sufficient quantity (a half tank full will do it)
> the chemicals react and generate a gummy precipitate that will clog fuel
> filters and injectors sufficiently so to cause hard starts, rough idling,
> and even stalls. Ed Goss has a good reputation in the Maryland/DC area
and
> his opinion seems very credible.
>
> Has anyone here heard something similar? Curious to know.
>
> Scott
>
>
"reconair" <reconair@staffnet.com> wrote in message
news:11lr132avnsb279@corp.supernews.com...
> I just heard an interesting thing on Goss' Garage Radio Show this past
> weekend. He stated that MTBE is an additive that helps to oxygenate fuel,
> but it is a pollutant and as such has been banned in twenty-two states.
In
> those states (he didn't name them) the alternative to MTBE is used --
Ethyl
> Alcohol (Ethanol). He states that MTBE and Ethanol are not compatible
with
> one another and suggests that if your traveling from an MTBE state to an
> Ethanol state, you should make sure that your tank is very near empty
before
> you fill up. The reverse is also true. He went on to state that when MTBE
> and Ethanol are mixed in sufficient quantity (a half tank full will do it)
> the chemicals react and generate a gummy precipitate that will clog fuel
> filters and injectors sufficiently so to cause hard starts, rough idling,
> and even stalls. Ed Goss has a good reputation in the Maryland/DC area
and
> his opinion seems very credible.
>
> Has anyone here heard something similar? Curious to know.
>
> Scott
>
>
10-24-2005, 09:13 PM
#3
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Re: MTBE vs. Ethanol
..... and which states are which?
"reconair" <reconair@staffnet.com> wrote in message
news:11lr132avnsb279@corp.supernews.com...
> I just heard an interesting thing on Goss' Garage Radio Show this past
> weekend. He stated that MTBE is an additive that helps to oxygenate fuel,
> but it is a pollutant and as such has been banned in twenty-two states.
In
> those states (he didn't name them) the alternative to MTBE is used --
Ethyl
> Alcohol (Ethanol). He states that MTBE and Ethanol are not compatible
with
> one another and suggests that if your traveling from an MTBE state to an
> Ethanol state, you should make sure that your tank is very near empty
before
> you fill up. The reverse is also true. He went on to state that when MTBE
> and Ethanol are mixed in sufficient quantity (a half tank full will do it)
> the chemicals react and generate a gummy precipitate that will clog fuel
> filters and injectors sufficiently so to cause hard starts, rough idling,
> and even stalls. Ed Goss has a good reputation in the Maryland/DC area
and
> his opinion seems very credible.
>
> Has anyone here heard something similar? Curious to know.
>
> Scott
>
>
"reconair" <reconair@staffnet.com> wrote in message
news:11lr132avnsb279@corp.supernews.com...
> I just heard an interesting thing on Goss' Garage Radio Show this past
> weekend. He stated that MTBE is an additive that helps to oxygenate fuel,
> but it is a pollutant and as such has been banned in twenty-two states.
In
> those states (he didn't name them) the alternative to MTBE is used --
Ethyl
> Alcohol (Ethanol). He states that MTBE and Ethanol are not compatible
with
> one another and suggests that if your traveling from an MTBE state to an
> Ethanol state, you should make sure that your tank is very near empty
before
> you fill up. The reverse is also true. He went on to state that when MTBE
> and Ethanol are mixed in sufficient quantity (a half tank full will do it)
> the chemicals react and generate a gummy precipitate that will clog fuel
> filters and injectors sufficiently so to cause hard starts, rough idling,
> and even stalls. Ed Goss has a good reputation in the Maryland/DC area
and
> his opinion seems very credible.
>
> Has anyone here heard something similar? Curious to know.
>
> Scott
>
>
10-24-2005, 09:13 PM
#4
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Re: MTBE vs. Ethanol
..... and which states are which?
"reconair" <reconair@staffnet.com> wrote in message
news:11lr132avnsb279@corp.supernews.com...
> I just heard an interesting thing on Goss' Garage Radio Show this past
> weekend. He stated that MTBE is an additive that helps to oxygenate fuel,
> but it is a pollutant and as such has been banned in twenty-two states.
In
> those states (he didn't name them) the alternative to MTBE is used --
Ethyl
> Alcohol (Ethanol). He states that MTBE and Ethanol are not compatible
with
> one another and suggests that if your traveling from an MTBE state to an
> Ethanol state, you should make sure that your tank is very near empty
before
> you fill up. The reverse is also true. He went on to state that when MTBE
> and Ethanol are mixed in sufficient quantity (a half tank full will do it)
> the chemicals react and generate a gummy precipitate that will clog fuel
> filters and injectors sufficiently so to cause hard starts, rough idling,
> and even stalls. Ed Goss has a good reputation in the Maryland/DC area
and
> his opinion seems very credible.
>
> Has anyone here heard something similar? Curious to know.
>
> Scott
>
>
"reconair" <reconair@staffnet.com> wrote in message
news:11lr132avnsb279@corp.supernews.com...
> I just heard an interesting thing on Goss' Garage Radio Show this past
> weekend. He stated that MTBE is an additive that helps to oxygenate fuel,
> but it is a pollutant and as such has been banned in twenty-two states.
In
> those states (he didn't name them) the alternative to MTBE is used --
Ethyl
> Alcohol (Ethanol). He states that MTBE and Ethanol are not compatible
with
> one another and suggests that if your traveling from an MTBE state to an
> Ethanol state, you should make sure that your tank is very near empty
before
> you fill up. The reverse is also true. He went on to state that when MTBE
> and Ethanol are mixed in sufficient quantity (a half tank full will do it)
> the chemicals react and generate a gummy precipitate that will clog fuel
> filters and injectors sufficiently so to cause hard starts, rough idling,
> and even stalls. Ed Goss has a good reputation in the Maryland/DC area
and
> his opinion seems very credible.
>
> Has anyone here heard something similar? Curious to know.
>
> Scott
>
>
10-24-2005, 09:22 PM
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Re: MTBE vs. Ethanol
He did say, that it's a good idea to do a little research before heading out
on that interstate trip. I did a quick Goggle and found this:
http://www.epa.gov/mtbe/420b04009.pdf.
Scott
"Tomes" <XXtomanml@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:LEf7f.18701$vw6.16485@newsread1.news.atl.eart hlink.net...
> .... and which states are which?
>
> "reconair" <reconair@staffnet.com> wrote in message
> news:11lr132avnsb279@corp.supernews.com...
>> I just heard an interesting thing on Goss' Garage Radio Show this past
>> weekend. He stated that MTBE is an additive that helps to oxygenate
>> fuel,
>> but it is a pollutant and as such has been banned in twenty-two states.
> In
>> those states (he didn't name them) the alternative to MTBE is used --
> Ethyl
>> Alcohol (Ethanol). He states that MTBE and Ethanol are not compatible
> with
>> one another and suggests that if your traveling from an MTBE state to an
>> Ethanol state, you should make sure that your tank is very near empty
> before
>> you fill up. The reverse is also true. He went on to state that when
>> MTBE
>> and Ethanol are mixed in sufficient quantity (a half tank full will do
>> it)
>> the chemicals react and generate a gummy precipitate that will clog fuel
>> filters and injectors sufficiently so to cause hard starts, rough idling,
>> and even stalls. Ed Goss has a good reputation in the Maryland/DC area
> and
>> his opinion seems very credible.
>>
>> Has anyone here heard something similar? Curious to know.
>>
>> Scott
>>
>>
>
>
on that interstate trip. I did a quick Goggle and found this:
http://www.epa.gov/mtbe/420b04009.pdf.
Scott
"Tomes" <XXtomanml@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:LEf7f.18701$vw6.16485@newsread1.news.atl.eart hlink.net...
> .... and which states are which?
>
> "reconair" <reconair@staffnet.com> wrote in message
> news:11lr132avnsb279@corp.supernews.com...
>> I just heard an interesting thing on Goss' Garage Radio Show this past
>> weekend. He stated that MTBE is an additive that helps to oxygenate
>> fuel,
>> but it is a pollutant and as such has been banned in twenty-two states.
> In
>> those states (he didn't name them) the alternative to MTBE is used --
> Ethyl
>> Alcohol (Ethanol). He states that MTBE and Ethanol are not compatible
> with
>> one another and suggests that if your traveling from an MTBE state to an
>> Ethanol state, you should make sure that your tank is very near empty
> before
>> you fill up. The reverse is also true. He went on to state that when
>> MTBE
>> and Ethanol are mixed in sufficient quantity (a half tank full will do
>> it)
>> the chemicals react and generate a gummy precipitate that will clog fuel
>> filters and injectors sufficiently so to cause hard starts, rough idling,
>> and even stalls. Ed Goss has a good reputation in the Maryland/DC area
> and
>> his opinion seems very credible.
>>
>> Has anyone here heard something similar? Curious to know.
>>
>> Scott
>>
>>
>
>
10-24-2005, 09:22 PM
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Re: MTBE vs. Ethanol
He did say, that it's a good idea to do a little research before heading out
on that interstate trip. I did a quick Goggle and found this:
http://www.epa.gov/mtbe/420b04009.pdf.
Scott
"Tomes" <XXtomanml@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:LEf7f.18701$vw6.16485@newsread1.news.atl.eart hlink.net...
> .... and which states are which?
>
> "reconair" <reconair@staffnet.com> wrote in message
> news:11lr132avnsb279@corp.supernews.com...
>> I just heard an interesting thing on Goss' Garage Radio Show this past
>> weekend. He stated that MTBE is an additive that helps to oxygenate
>> fuel,
>> but it is a pollutant and as such has been banned in twenty-two states.
> In
>> those states (he didn't name them) the alternative to MTBE is used --
> Ethyl
>> Alcohol (Ethanol). He states that MTBE and Ethanol are not compatible
> with
>> one another and suggests that if your traveling from an MTBE state to an
>> Ethanol state, you should make sure that your tank is very near empty
> before
>> you fill up. The reverse is also true. He went on to state that when
>> MTBE
>> and Ethanol are mixed in sufficient quantity (a half tank full will do
>> it)
>> the chemicals react and generate a gummy precipitate that will clog fuel
>> filters and injectors sufficiently so to cause hard starts, rough idling,
>> and even stalls. Ed Goss has a good reputation in the Maryland/DC area
> and
>> his opinion seems very credible.
>>
>> Has anyone here heard something similar? Curious to know.
>>
>> Scott
>>
>>
>
>
on that interstate trip. I did a quick Goggle and found this:
http://www.epa.gov/mtbe/420b04009.pdf.
Scott
"Tomes" <XXtomanml@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:LEf7f.18701$vw6.16485@newsread1.news.atl.eart hlink.net...
> .... and which states are which?
>
> "reconair" <reconair@staffnet.com> wrote in message
> news:11lr132avnsb279@corp.supernews.com...
>> I just heard an interesting thing on Goss' Garage Radio Show this past
>> weekend. He stated that MTBE is an additive that helps to oxygenate
>> fuel,
>> but it is a pollutant and as such has been banned in twenty-two states.
> In
>> those states (he didn't name them) the alternative to MTBE is used --
> Ethyl
>> Alcohol (Ethanol). He states that MTBE and Ethanol are not compatible
> with
>> one another and suggests that if your traveling from an MTBE state to an
>> Ethanol state, you should make sure that your tank is very near empty
> before
>> you fill up. The reverse is also true. He went on to state that when
>> MTBE
>> and Ethanol are mixed in sufficient quantity (a half tank full will do
>> it)
>> the chemicals react and generate a gummy precipitate that will clog fuel
>> filters and injectors sufficiently so to cause hard starts, rough idling,
>> and even stalls. Ed Goss has a good reputation in the Maryland/DC area
> and
>> his opinion seems very credible.
>>
>> Has anyone here heard something similar? Curious to know.
>>
>> Scott
>>
>>
>
>
10-24-2005, 09:22 PM
#7
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Re: MTBE vs. Ethanol
He did say, that it's a good idea to do a little research before heading out
on that interstate trip. I did a quick Goggle and found this:
http://www.epa.gov/mtbe/420b04009.pdf.
Scott
"Tomes" <XXtomanml@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:LEf7f.18701$vw6.16485@newsread1.news.atl.eart hlink.net...
> .... and which states are which?
>
> "reconair" <reconair@staffnet.com> wrote in message
> news:11lr132avnsb279@corp.supernews.com...
>> I just heard an interesting thing on Goss' Garage Radio Show this past
>> weekend. He stated that MTBE is an additive that helps to oxygenate
>> fuel,
>> but it is a pollutant and as such has been banned in twenty-two states.
> In
>> those states (he didn't name them) the alternative to MTBE is used --
> Ethyl
>> Alcohol (Ethanol). He states that MTBE and Ethanol are not compatible
> with
>> one another and suggests that if your traveling from an MTBE state to an
>> Ethanol state, you should make sure that your tank is very near empty
> before
>> you fill up. The reverse is also true. He went on to state that when
>> MTBE
>> and Ethanol are mixed in sufficient quantity (a half tank full will do
>> it)
>> the chemicals react and generate a gummy precipitate that will clog fuel
>> filters and injectors sufficiently so to cause hard starts, rough idling,
>> and even stalls. Ed Goss has a good reputation in the Maryland/DC area
> and
>> his opinion seems very credible.
>>
>> Has anyone here heard something similar? Curious to know.
>>
>> Scott
>>
>>
>
>
on that interstate trip. I did a quick Goggle and found this:
http://www.epa.gov/mtbe/420b04009.pdf.
Scott
"Tomes" <XXtomanml@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:LEf7f.18701$vw6.16485@newsread1.news.atl.eart hlink.net...
> .... and which states are which?
>
> "reconair" <reconair@staffnet.com> wrote in message
> news:11lr132avnsb279@corp.supernews.com...
>> I just heard an interesting thing on Goss' Garage Radio Show this past
>> weekend. He stated that MTBE is an additive that helps to oxygenate
>> fuel,
>> but it is a pollutant and as such has been banned in twenty-two states.
> In
>> those states (he didn't name them) the alternative to MTBE is used --
> Ethyl
>> Alcohol (Ethanol). He states that MTBE and Ethanol are not compatible
> with
>> one another and suggests that if your traveling from an MTBE state to an
>> Ethanol state, you should make sure that your tank is very near empty
> before
>> you fill up. The reverse is also true. He went on to state that when
>> MTBE
>> and Ethanol are mixed in sufficient quantity (a half tank full will do
>> it)
>> the chemicals react and generate a gummy precipitate that will clog fuel
>> filters and injectors sufficiently so to cause hard starts, rough idling,
>> and even stalls. Ed Goss has a good reputation in the Maryland/DC area
> and
>> his opinion seems very credible.
>>
>> Has anyone here heard something similar? Curious to know.
>>
>> Scott
>>
>>
>
>
10-25-2005, 01:56 AM
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Re: MTBE vs. Ethanol
Well, since we are all top-posting now, I drove a Jeep Grand Cherokee from
Dallas (no MTBE) to Sacramento (MTBE) each year, for Memorial Day weekend,
to visit the Traditional Jazz Jubilee, from 1999 to 2002, when we retired
and moved both Jeeps to California. So we have been through all of the
transitions, 1999-2005 - even seen the California MTBE gas stations dug up,
from 2002 to the present.
No problem. Along the way to Sacramento I always took side trips. I
visited the Rocky Mountains National Park (highest paved highway, at 13,000
ft.) and the Saltan Sea (somethng below sea level.) I think the computer
takes care of this. My 1999 Jeep Grand Cherokee now has 114,000 miles and
no problems.
MTBE may be a problem to humans, and ethanol reduces the amount of energy in
a typical gallon, but my Jeep has not indicated any noticible difference.
Even mpg (reported by the computer 17.2 mpg) seems the same, from year to
year.
I have a very, very excellent Jeep mechanic in Placerville, CA, Jim's
Automotive, and if you are prepping for the Rubicon, he probably knows the
answers. I don't do that stuff myself, but he seems to know.
"reconair" <reconair@staffnet.com> wrote in message
news:11lr2782u5oomde@corp.supernews.com...
> He did say, that it's a good idea to do a little research before heading
> out on that interstate trip. I did a quick Goggle and found this:
> http://www.epa.gov/mtbe/420b04009.pdf.
>
> Scott
> "Tomes" <XXtomanml@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:LEf7f.18701$vw6.16485@newsread1.news.atl.eart hlink.net...
>> .... and which states are which?
>>
>> "reconair" <reconair@staffnet.com> wrote in message
>> news:11lr132avnsb279@corp.supernews.com...
>>> I just heard an interesting thing on Goss' Garage Radio Show this past
>>> weekend. He stated that MTBE is an additive that helps to oxygenate
>>> fuel,
>>> but it is a pollutant and as such has been banned in twenty-two states.
>> In
>>> those states (he didn't name them) the alternative to MTBE is used --
>> Ethyl
>>> Alcohol (Ethanol). He states that MTBE and Ethanol are not compatible
>> with
>>> one another and suggests that if your traveling from an MTBE state to an
>>> Ethanol state, you should make sure that your tank is very near empty
>> before
>>> you fill up. The reverse is also true. He went on to state that when
>>> MTBE
>>> and Ethanol are mixed in sufficient quantity (a half tank full will do
>>> it)
>>> the chemicals react and generate a gummy precipitate that will clog fuel
>>> filters and injectors sufficiently so to cause hard starts, rough
>>> idling,
>>> and even stalls. Ed Goss has a good reputation in the Maryland/DC area
>> and
>>> his opinion seems very credible.
>>>
>>> Has anyone here heard something similar? Curious to know.
>>>
>>> Scott
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
Dallas (no MTBE) to Sacramento (MTBE) each year, for Memorial Day weekend,
to visit the Traditional Jazz Jubilee, from 1999 to 2002, when we retired
and moved both Jeeps to California. So we have been through all of the
transitions, 1999-2005 - even seen the California MTBE gas stations dug up,
from 2002 to the present.
No problem. Along the way to Sacramento I always took side trips. I
visited the Rocky Mountains National Park (highest paved highway, at 13,000
ft.) and the Saltan Sea (somethng below sea level.) I think the computer
takes care of this. My 1999 Jeep Grand Cherokee now has 114,000 miles and
no problems.
MTBE may be a problem to humans, and ethanol reduces the amount of energy in
a typical gallon, but my Jeep has not indicated any noticible difference.
Even mpg (reported by the computer 17.2 mpg) seems the same, from year to
year.
I have a very, very excellent Jeep mechanic in Placerville, CA, Jim's
Automotive, and if you are prepping for the Rubicon, he probably knows the
answers. I don't do that stuff myself, but he seems to know.
"reconair" <reconair@staffnet.com> wrote in message
news:11lr2782u5oomde@corp.supernews.com...
> He did say, that it's a good idea to do a little research before heading
> out on that interstate trip. I did a quick Goggle and found this:
> http://www.epa.gov/mtbe/420b04009.pdf.
>
> Scott
> "Tomes" <XXtomanml@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:LEf7f.18701$vw6.16485@newsread1.news.atl.eart hlink.net...
>> .... and which states are which?
>>
>> "reconair" <reconair@staffnet.com> wrote in message
>> news:11lr132avnsb279@corp.supernews.com...
>>> I just heard an interesting thing on Goss' Garage Radio Show this past
>>> weekend. He stated that MTBE is an additive that helps to oxygenate
>>> fuel,
>>> but it is a pollutant and as such has been banned in twenty-two states.
>> In
>>> those states (he didn't name them) the alternative to MTBE is used --
>> Ethyl
>>> Alcohol (Ethanol). He states that MTBE and Ethanol are not compatible
>> with
>>> one another and suggests that if your traveling from an MTBE state to an
>>> Ethanol state, you should make sure that your tank is very near empty
>> before
>>> you fill up. The reverse is also true. He went on to state that when
>>> MTBE
>>> and Ethanol are mixed in sufficient quantity (a half tank full will do
>>> it)
>>> the chemicals react and generate a gummy precipitate that will clog fuel
>>> filters and injectors sufficiently so to cause hard starts, rough
>>> idling,
>>> and even stalls. Ed Goss has a good reputation in the Maryland/DC area
>> and
>>> his opinion seems very credible.
>>>
>>> Has anyone here heard something similar? Curious to know.
>>>
>>> Scott
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
10-25-2005, 01:56 AM
#9
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: MTBE vs. Ethanol
Well, since we are all top-posting now, I drove a Jeep Grand Cherokee from
Dallas (no MTBE) to Sacramento (MTBE) each year, for Memorial Day weekend,
to visit the Traditional Jazz Jubilee, from 1999 to 2002, when we retired
and moved both Jeeps to California. So we have been through all of the
transitions, 1999-2005 - even seen the California MTBE gas stations dug up,
from 2002 to the present.
No problem. Along the way to Sacramento I always took side trips. I
visited the Rocky Mountains National Park (highest paved highway, at 13,000
ft.) and the Saltan Sea (somethng below sea level.) I think the computer
takes care of this. My 1999 Jeep Grand Cherokee now has 114,000 miles and
no problems.
MTBE may be a problem to humans, and ethanol reduces the amount of energy in
a typical gallon, but my Jeep has not indicated any noticible difference.
Even mpg (reported by the computer 17.2 mpg) seems the same, from year to
year.
I have a very, very excellent Jeep mechanic in Placerville, CA, Jim's
Automotive, and if you are prepping for the Rubicon, he probably knows the
answers. I don't do that stuff myself, but he seems to know.
"reconair" <reconair@staffnet.com> wrote in message
news:11lr2782u5oomde@corp.supernews.com...
> He did say, that it's a good idea to do a little research before heading
> out on that interstate trip. I did a quick Goggle and found this:
> http://www.epa.gov/mtbe/420b04009.pdf.
>
> Scott
> "Tomes" <XXtomanml@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:LEf7f.18701$vw6.16485@newsread1.news.atl.eart hlink.net...
>> .... and which states are which?
>>
>> "reconair" <reconair@staffnet.com> wrote in message
>> news:11lr132avnsb279@corp.supernews.com...
>>> I just heard an interesting thing on Goss' Garage Radio Show this past
>>> weekend. He stated that MTBE is an additive that helps to oxygenate
>>> fuel,
>>> but it is a pollutant and as such has been banned in twenty-two states.
>> In
>>> those states (he didn't name them) the alternative to MTBE is used --
>> Ethyl
>>> Alcohol (Ethanol). He states that MTBE and Ethanol are not compatible
>> with
>>> one another and suggests that if your traveling from an MTBE state to an
>>> Ethanol state, you should make sure that your tank is very near empty
>> before
>>> you fill up. The reverse is also true. He went on to state that when
>>> MTBE
>>> and Ethanol are mixed in sufficient quantity (a half tank full will do
>>> it)
>>> the chemicals react and generate a gummy precipitate that will clog fuel
>>> filters and injectors sufficiently so to cause hard starts, rough
>>> idling,
>>> and even stalls. Ed Goss has a good reputation in the Maryland/DC area
>> and
>>> his opinion seems very credible.
>>>
>>> Has anyone here heard something similar? Curious to know.
>>>
>>> Scott
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
Dallas (no MTBE) to Sacramento (MTBE) each year, for Memorial Day weekend,
to visit the Traditional Jazz Jubilee, from 1999 to 2002, when we retired
and moved both Jeeps to California. So we have been through all of the
transitions, 1999-2005 - even seen the California MTBE gas stations dug up,
from 2002 to the present.
No problem. Along the way to Sacramento I always took side trips. I
visited the Rocky Mountains National Park (highest paved highway, at 13,000
ft.) and the Saltan Sea (somethng below sea level.) I think the computer
takes care of this. My 1999 Jeep Grand Cherokee now has 114,000 miles and
no problems.
MTBE may be a problem to humans, and ethanol reduces the amount of energy in
a typical gallon, but my Jeep has not indicated any noticible difference.
Even mpg (reported by the computer 17.2 mpg) seems the same, from year to
year.
I have a very, very excellent Jeep mechanic in Placerville, CA, Jim's
Automotive, and if you are prepping for the Rubicon, he probably knows the
answers. I don't do that stuff myself, but he seems to know.
"reconair" <reconair@staffnet.com> wrote in message
news:11lr2782u5oomde@corp.supernews.com...
> He did say, that it's a good idea to do a little research before heading
> out on that interstate trip. I did a quick Goggle and found this:
> http://www.epa.gov/mtbe/420b04009.pdf.
>
> Scott
> "Tomes" <XXtomanml@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:LEf7f.18701$vw6.16485@newsread1.news.atl.eart hlink.net...
>> .... and which states are which?
>>
>> "reconair" <reconair@staffnet.com> wrote in message
>> news:11lr132avnsb279@corp.supernews.com...
>>> I just heard an interesting thing on Goss' Garage Radio Show this past
>>> weekend. He stated that MTBE is an additive that helps to oxygenate
>>> fuel,
>>> but it is a pollutant and as such has been banned in twenty-two states.
>> In
>>> those states (he didn't name them) the alternative to MTBE is used --
>> Ethyl
>>> Alcohol (Ethanol). He states that MTBE and Ethanol are not compatible
>> with
>>> one another and suggests that if your traveling from an MTBE state to an
>>> Ethanol state, you should make sure that your tank is very near empty
>> before
>>> you fill up. The reverse is also true. He went on to state that when
>>> MTBE
>>> and Ethanol are mixed in sufficient quantity (a half tank full will do
>>> it)
>>> the chemicals react and generate a gummy precipitate that will clog fuel
>>> filters and injectors sufficiently so to cause hard starts, rough
>>> idling,
>>> and even stalls. Ed Goss has a good reputation in the Maryland/DC area
>> and
>>> his opinion seems very credible.
>>>
>>> Has anyone here heard something similar? Curious to know.
>>>
>>> Scott
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
10-25-2005, 01:56 AM
#10
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: MTBE vs. Ethanol
Well, since we are all top-posting now, I drove a Jeep Grand Cherokee from
Dallas (no MTBE) to Sacramento (MTBE) each year, for Memorial Day weekend,
to visit the Traditional Jazz Jubilee, from 1999 to 2002, when we retired
and moved both Jeeps to California. So we have been through all of the
transitions, 1999-2005 - even seen the California MTBE gas stations dug up,
from 2002 to the present.
No problem. Along the way to Sacramento I always took side trips. I
visited the Rocky Mountains National Park (highest paved highway, at 13,000
ft.) and the Saltan Sea (somethng below sea level.) I think the computer
takes care of this. My 1999 Jeep Grand Cherokee now has 114,000 miles and
no problems.
MTBE may be a problem to humans, and ethanol reduces the amount of energy in
a typical gallon, but my Jeep has not indicated any noticible difference.
Even mpg (reported by the computer 17.2 mpg) seems the same, from year to
year.
I have a very, very excellent Jeep mechanic in Placerville, CA, Jim's
Automotive, and if you are prepping for the Rubicon, he probably knows the
answers. I don't do that stuff myself, but he seems to know.
"reconair" <reconair@staffnet.com> wrote in message
news:11lr2782u5oomde@corp.supernews.com...
> He did say, that it's a good idea to do a little research before heading
> out on that interstate trip. I did a quick Goggle and found this:
> http://www.epa.gov/mtbe/420b04009.pdf.
>
> Scott
> "Tomes" <XXtomanml@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:LEf7f.18701$vw6.16485@newsread1.news.atl.eart hlink.net...
>> .... and which states are which?
>>
>> "reconair" <reconair@staffnet.com> wrote in message
>> news:11lr132avnsb279@corp.supernews.com...
>>> I just heard an interesting thing on Goss' Garage Radio Show this past
>>> weekend. He stated that MTBE is an additive that helps to oxygenate
>>> fuel,
>>> but it is a pollutant and as such has been banned in twenty-two states.
>> In
>>> those states (he didn't name them) the alternative to MTBE is used --
>> Ethyl
>>> Alcohol (Ethanol). He states that MTBE and Ethanol are not compatible
>> with
>>> one another and suggests that if your traveling from an MTBE state to an
>>> Ethanol state, you should make sure that your tank is very near empty
>> before
>>> you fill up. The reverse is also true. He went on to state that when
>>> MTBE
>>> and Ethanol are mixed in sufficient quantity (a half tank full will do
>>> it)
>>> the chemicals react and generate a gummy precipitate that will clog fuel
>>> filters and injectors sufficiently so to cause hard starts, rough
>>> idling,
>>> and even stalls. Ed Goss has a good reputation in the Maryland/DC area
>> and
>>> his opinion seems very credible.
>>>
>>> Has anyone here heard something similar? Curious to know.
>>>
>>> Scott
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
Dallas (no MTBE) to Sacramento (MTBE) each year, for Memorial Day weekend,
to visit the Traditional Jazz Jubilee, from 1999 to 2002, when we retired
and moved both Jeeps to California. So we have been through all of the
transitions, 1999-2005 - even seen the California MTBE gas stations dug up,
from 2002 to the present.
No problem. Along the way to Sacramento I always took side trips. I
visited the Rocky Mountains National Park (highest paved highway, at 13,000
ft.) and the Saltan Sea (somethng below sea level.) I think the computer
takes care of this. My 1999 Jeep Grand Cherokee now has 114,000 miles and
no problems.
MTBE may be a problem to humans, and ethanol reduces the amount of energy in
a typical gallon, but my Jeep has not indicated any noticible difference.
Even mpg (reported by the computer 17.2 mpg) seems the same, from year to
year.
I have a very, very excellent Jeep mechanic in Placerville, CA, Jim's
Automotive, and if you are prepping for the Rubicon, he probably knows the
answers. I don't do that stuff myself, but he seems to know.
"reconair" <reconair@staffnet.com> wrote in message
news:11lr2782u5oomde@corp.supernews.com...
> He did say, that it's a good idea to do a little research before heading
> out on that interstate trip. I did a quick Goggle and found this:
> http://www.epa.gov/mtbe/420b04009.pdf.
>
> Scott
> "Tomes" <XXtomanml@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:LEf7f.18701$vw6.16485@newsread1.news.atl.eart hlink.net...
>> .... and which states are which?
>>
>> "reconair" <reconair@staffnet.com> wrote in message
>> news:11lr132avnsb279@corp.supernews.com...
>>> I just heard an interesting thing on Goss' Garage Radio Show this past
>>> weekend. He stated that MTBE is an additive that helps to oxygenate
>>> fuel,
>>> but it is a pollutant and as such has been banned in twenty-two states.
>> In
>>> those states (he didn't name them) the alternative to MTBE is used --
>> Ethyl
>>> Alcohol (Ethanol). He states that MTBE and Ethanol are not compatible
>> with
>>> one another and suggests that if your traveling from an MTBE state to an
>>> Ethanol state, you should make sure that your tank is very near empty
>> before
>>> you fill up. The reverse is also true. He went on to state that when
>>> MTBE
>>> and Ethanol are mixed in sufficient quantity (a half tank full will do
>>> it)
>>> the chemicals react and generate a gummy precipitate that will clog fuel
>>> filters and injectors sufficiently so to cause hard starts, rough
>>> idling,
>>> and even stalls. Ed Goss has a good reputation in the Maryland/DC area
>> and
>>> his opinion seems very credible.
>>>
>>> Has anyone here heard something similar? Curious to know.
>>>
>>> Scott
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
