"Lee Ayrton" <layrton@panix.com> wrote in message
news:Pine.NEB.4.58.0406071028440.7905@panix2.panix .com...
> On Mon, 7 Jun 2004, DaveW wrote:
>
> >
> > I think Stanley Steamers run on gasoline or some other petroleum
> > distillate. They did NOT run on coal.
> >
> > The one Jay Leno brought to the Chrysler Performance West Spring Fling
> > in Woodley Park a few years ago certainly used liquid fuel. He claimed
> > to have gotten it up to 85mph, but had to stop every 25 miles...for
water!
>
> Legend has it that no one ever found out how fast a Stanley Steamer could
> go flat out because, at speed, the floor pan produced a ground effect and
> the damned things would get airborne.
>
> YMMV.

Old man Stanley used his money to build the Stanley Hotel in Estes Park, CO,
which appeared in the early 80's movie "The Shining". Apprently everything
he touched got spooky!

 

"Jerry McG" <gmcgeorge.remove@frontier.net> wrote in message
news:ca2es602eio@enews4.newsguy.com...
> <Thousands of uranium miners who by definition were employed by the
American
> Nuclear Power industry have died of cancer as a direct result of their
> employment activities..... >
>
> By no definition but yours because you think it reinforces your argument.


Ok, Where did they get the fuel then? There are no fuel fairies coming
around
magically depositing fuel in plants. Mining and processing radioactives are
dangerous occupations, but necessary to the operation of a fission reactor.
Many have died, pointing out the lie in you statement about Ted Kennedy,
whom btw I have total distain for.

> Thousands of people dies mining coal, gold & copper, but you use these
items
> every day.

Yep, so do steel workers, construction workers, loggers, etc. Its a
dangerous
world. Have these deaths somehow brought the uranium workers back to life?

> > Bottom line: Can failsafe plants be designed? Absolutely yes....., <
>
> But, you and your Luddite froiends would never allow one to be built...
>
> < but I am not sure the industry is capable of profitably executing such a
> design.>
>
> I assume you're a nuclear engineer, right? Otherwise what qualifies you to
> make such a ststement?

No I am not qualified or licenced in that field. I am an electrical project
engineer. Similar functions, different industry.

> < When I see an industry that is willing to not only run plants beyond
their
> design life, >
>
> Because since, because of you, they can't build a new one and to shut it
> down means millions then either freeze or depend upon the fossil
fuel-fired
> plants yu also want to shut down.

Wood chip power plants, waste to energy, bio-fuel, PV, wind, fusion, methane
hydrides are all good ideas that should be persued. The only reason fission
has
ever been practical is because of the huge government subsidies and tax
breaks.
It's hard to believe in an industry that requires that much of a government
handout to exist. I am not against nuclear power, but I am against any
company
or industry slopping at the public trough. That's not free enterprise, it's
corporate
welfare.

> < but to request a 20% over design limit power output on said same plants
I
> worry.>
>
> If you knew they'd upgraded it, you'd still worry, as you do about ozone
> layer depletion, CO2 emissions, acid-rain, te Patriot Act, you know,
> whatever fits the agenda.
>
> > Jeff, 25 miles from Vermont Yankee. <
>
> You better move NOW, I here it's about to blow!

It is my understanding that the plant is not in too bad of shape for one
that old,
but it is showing cracking and material faults typical of a plant that age.
But,
there-in lies the rub: in order to operate at the increased 20% above design
capacity the operators want to use the dome as a pressure vessel in a loss
of
coolant scenario. This is equivalent to putting a 35 psi radiator cap on
CJ2A
with it's original radiator so it won't boil over.

BTW, I do keep potassium iodide in the first aid kit in the Jeep.

Jeff

 

"Jerry McG" <gmcgeorge.remove@frontier.net> wrote in message
news:ca2es602eio@enews4.newsguy.com...
> <Thousands of uranium miners who by definition were employed by the
American
> Nuclear Power industry have died of cancer as a direct result of their
> employment activities..... >
>
> By no definition but yours because you think it reinforces your argument.


Ok, Where did they get the fuel then? There are no fuel fairies coming
around
magically depositing fuel in plants. Mining and processing radioactives are
dangerous occupations, but necessary to the operation of a fission reactor.
Many have died, pointing out the lie in you statement about Ted Kennedy,
whom btw I have total distain for.

> Thousands of people dies mining coal, gold & copper, but you use these
items
> every day.

Yep, so do steel workers, construction workers, loggers, etc. Its a
dangerous
world. Have these deaths somehow brought the uranium workers back to life?

> > Bottom line: Can failsafe plants be designed? Absolutely yes....., <
>
> But, you and your Luddite froiends would never allow one to be built...
>
> < but I am not sure the industry is capable of profitably executing such a
> design.>
>
> I assume you're a nuclear engineer, right? Otherwise what qualifies you to
> make such a ststement?

No I am not qualified or licenced in that field. I am an electrical project
engineer. Similar functions, different industry.

> < When I see an industry that is willing to not only run plants beyond
their
> design life, >
>
> Because since, because of you, they can't build a new one and to shut it
> down means millions then either freeze or depend upon the fossil
fuel-fired
> plants yu also want to shut down.

Wood chip power plants, waste to energy, bio-fuel, PV, wind, fusion, methane
hydrides are all good ideas that should be persued. The only reason fission
has
ever been practical is because of the huge government subsidies and tax
breaks.
It's hard to believe in an industry that requires that much of a government
handout to exist. I am not against nuclear power, but I am against any
company
or industry slopping at the public trough. That's not free enterprise, it's
corporate
welfare.

> < but to request a 20% over design limit power output on said same plants
I
> worry.>
>
> If you knew they'd upgraded it, you'd still worry, as you do about ozone
> layer depletion, CO2 emissions, acid-rain, te Patriot Act, you know,
> whatever fits the agenda.
>
> > Jeff, 25 miles from Vermont Yankee. <
>
> You better move NOW, I here it's about to blow!

It is my understanding that the plant is not in too bad of shape for one
that old,
but it is showing cracking and material faults typical of a plant that age.
But,
there-in lies the rub: in order to operate at the increased 20% above design
capacity the operators want to use the dome as a pressure vessel in a loss
of
coolant scenario. This is equivalent to putting a 35 psi radiator cap on
CJ2A
with it's original radiator so it won't boil over.

BTW, I do keep potassium iodide in the first aid kit in the Jeep.

Jeff

 

"Jerry McG" <gmcgeorge.remove@frontier.net> wrote in message
news:ca2es602eio@enews4.newsguy.com...
> <Thousands of uranium miners who by definition were employed by the
American
> Nuclear Power industry have died of cancer as a direct result of their
> employment activities..... >
>
> By no definition but yours because you think it reinforces your argument.


Ok, Where did they get the fuel then? There are no fuel fairies coming
around
magically depositing fuel in plants. Mining and processing radioactives are
dangerous occupations, but necessary to the operation of a fission reactor.
Many have died, pointing out the lie in you statement about Ted Kennedy,
whom btw I have total distain for.

> Thousands of people dies mining coal, gold & copper, but you use these
items
> every day.

Yep, so do steel workers, construction workers, loggers, etc. Its a
dangerous
world. Have these deaths somehow brought the uranium workers back to life?

> > Bottom line: Can failsafe plants be designed? Absolutely yes....., <
>
> But, you and your Luddite froiends would never allow one to be built...
>
> < but I am not sure the industry is capable of profitably executing such a
> design.>
>
> I assume you're a nuclear engineer, right? Otherwise what qualifies you to
> make such a ststement?

No I am not qualified or licenced in that field. I am an electrical project
engineer. Similar functions, different industry.

> < When I see an industry that is willing to not only run plants beyond
their
> design life, >
>
> Because since, because of you, they can't build a new one and to shut it
> down means millions then either freeze or depend upon the fossil
fuel-fired
> plants yu also want to shut down.

Wood chip power plants, waste to energy, bio-fuel, PV, wind, fusion, methane
hydrides are all good ideas that should be persued. The only reason fission
has
ever been practical is because of the huge government subsidies and tax
breaks.
It's hard to believe in an industry that requires that much of a government
handout to exist. I am not against nuclear power, but I am against any
company
or industry slopping at the public trough. That's not free enterprise, it's
corporate
welfare.

> < but to request a 20% over design limit power output on said same plants
I
> worry.>
>
> If you knew they'd upgraded it, you'd still worry, as you do about ozone
> layer depletion, CO2 emissions, acid-rain, te Patriot Act, you know,
> whatever fits the agenda.
>
> > Jeff, 25 miles from Vermont Yankee. <
>
> You better move NOW, I here it's about to blow!

It is my understanding that the plant is not in too bad of shape for one
that old,
but it is showing cracking and material faults typical of a plant that age.
But,
there-in lies the rub: in order to operate at the increased 20% above design
capacity the operators want to use the dome as a pressure vessel in a loss
of
coolant scenario. This is equivalent to putting a 35 psi radiator cap on
CJ2A
with it's original radiator so it won't boil over.

BTW, I do keep potassium iodide in the first aid kit in the Jeep.

Jeff

 

"Jerry McG" <gmcgeorge.remove@frontier.net> wrote in message
news:ca2es602eio@enews4.newsguy.com...
> <Thousands of uranium miners who by definition were employed by the
American
> Nuclear Power industry have died of cancer as a direct result of their
> employment activities..... >
>
> By no definition but yours because you think it reinforces your argument.


Ok, Where did they get the fuel then? There are no fuel fairies coming
around
magically depositing fuel in plants. Mining and processing radioactives are
dangerous occupations, but necessary to the operation of a fission reactor.
Many have died, pointing out the lie in you statement about Ted Kennedy,
whom btw I have total distain for.

> Thousands of people dies mining coal, gold & copper, but you use these
items
> every day.

Yep, so do steel workers, construction workers, loggers, etc. Its a
dangerous
world. Have these deaths somehow brought the uranium workers back to life?

> > Bottom line: Can failsafe plants be designed? Absolutely yes....., <
>
> But, you and your Luddite froiends would never allow one to be built...
>
> < but I am not sure the industry is capable of profitably executing such a
> design.>
>
> I assume you're a nuclear engineer, right? Otherwise what qualifies you to
> make such a ststement?

No I am not qualified or licenced in that field. I am an electrical project
engineer. Similar functions, different industry.

> < When I see an industry that is willing to not only run plants beyond
their
> design life, >
>
> Because since, because of you, they can't build a new one and to shut it
> down means millions then either freeze or depend upon the fossil
fuel-fired
> plants yu also want to shut down.

Wood chip power plants, waste to energy, bio-fuel, PV, wind, fusion, methane
hydrides are all good ideas that should be persued. The only reason fission
has
ever been practical is because of the huge government subsidies and tax
breaks.
It's hard to believe in an industry that requires that much of a government
handout to exist. I am not against nuclear power, but I am against any
company
or industry slopping at the public trough. That's not free enterprise, it's
corporate
welfare.

> < but to request a 20% over design limit power output on said same plants
I
> worry.>
>
> If you knew they'd upgraded it, you'd still worry, as you do about ozone
> layer depletion, CO2 emissions, acid-rain, te Patriot Act, you know,
> whatever fits the agenda.
>
> > Jeff, 25 miles from Vermont Yankee. <
>
> You better move NOW, I here it's about to blow!

It is my understanding that the plant is not in too bad of shape for one
that old,
but it is showing cracking and material faults typical of a plant that age.
But,
there-in lies the rub: in order to operate at the increased 20% above design
capacity the operators want to use the dome as a pressure vessel in a loss
of
coolant scenario. This is equivalent to putting a 35 psi radiator cap on
CJ2A
with it's original radiator so it won't boil over.

BTW, I do keep potassium iodide in the first aid kit in the Jeep.

Jeff

 

On Sun, 06 Jun 2004 16:35:03 -0700, L.W.------ wrote:

> Hummer was a multi fuel vehicle. Mike and I were talking about the
> hybrid if you could keep up:

I guess that means you didn't like the site, eh? I think you really ought
to write to GM Military and tell them they're all stupid for using a
diesel in their hybrid... maybe they'll even hire you to design their next
generation of vehicle... Then all of us here who think you're full of
yourself would have to bow down before you and ask for your mercy...NAAAWW!!

-bob- (I love the smell of Diesel in the morning,.... smells like...
work being done!)

 

On Sun, 06 Jun 2004 16:35:03 -0700, L.W.------ wrote:

> Hummer was a multi fuel vehicle. Mike and I were talking about the
> hybrid if you could keep up:

I guess that means you didn't like the site, eh? I think you really ought
to write to GM Military and tell them they're all stupid for using a
diesel in their hybrid... maybe they'll even hire you to design their next
generation of vehicle... Then all of us here who think you're full of
yourself would have to bow down before you and ask for your mercy...NAAAWW!!

-bob- (I love the smell of Diesel in the morning,.... smells like...
work being done!)

 

On Sun, 06 Jun 2004 16:35:03 -0700, L.W.------ wrote:

> Hummer was a multi fuel vehicle. Mike and I were talking about the
> hybrid if you could keep up:

I guess that means you didn't like the site, eh? I think you really ought
to write to GM Military and tell them they're all stupid for using a
diesel in their hybrid... maybe they'll even hire you to design their next
generation of vehicle... Then all of us here who think you're full of
yourself would have to bow down before you and ask for your mercy...NAAAWW!!

-bob- (I love the smell of Diesel in the morning,.... smells like...
work being done!)

 

On Sun, 06 Jun 2004 16:35:03 -0700, L.W.------ wrote:

> Hummer was a multi fuel vehicle. Mike and I were talking about the
> hybrid if you could keep up:

I guess that means you didn't like the site, eh? I think you really ought
to write to GM Military and tell them they're all stupid for using a
diesel in their hybrid... maybe they'll even hire you to design their next
generation of vehicle... Then all of us here who think you're full of
yourself would have to bow down before you and ask for your mercy...NAAAWW!!

-bob- (I love the smell of Diesel in the morning,.... smells like...
work being done!)

 

That's what I was trying to tell you the hybrid site is phony! Now
if you can find the General Motors Military Hybrid division, I will read
about their prototype if it exists.
I know Robert Duvall, and you're no Robert Duvall!
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

"F. Robert Falbo" wrote:
>
> I guess that means you didn't like the site, eh? I think you really ought
> to write to GM Military and tell them they're all stupid for using a
> diesel in their hybrid... maybe they'll even hire you to design their next
> generation of vehicle... Then all of us here who think you're full of
> yourself would have to bow down before you and ask for your mercy...NAAAWW!!
>
> -bob- (I love the smell of Diesel in the morning,.... smells like...
> work being done!)