Dave Milne

Jeez guys, I never realised you were all such rabid environmentalists. Hell,
this is a jeep group right ? Are you all planning on selling up and moving
closer to work so you don't consume a gallon of oil more than you have to,
and cutting back on the stuff you buy so there are less polluting truck
journeys made ? No, I thought not.

Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"bllsht" <nospam@invaliddot.net> wrote in message
news:srqvb0d22ie910eqojt65hu450dmqe3irl@4ax.com...
> In message <2ia0roFkuqtuU1@uni-berlin.de>, "Paul Calman" wrote:
>
> >>Lets see a picture of your bumper.
> >
> >How about i drive it past your house in late August? In spite of the fact
> >that Jerry admits he couldn't fix them properly, I can and my car doesn't
> >smoke.
>
> Smoke or not, we all know that piece of ---- stinks and pollutes.
>
>

Mike

Jerry is the one who apparently detestes everything to do with ANYTHING
powered by diesel, and it consistantly shows by his posts. I posted the link
to that marine diesel to show what CAN be done, but Jerry simply classes it
as one and the same with every 20+ year old, badly maintained oil burner out
on the highway. You simply do not install unreliable, uneconomic power
plants in 100,000 ton ships. its a whole different ball game, if only people
would realise it. I think Susan did, by the tone of her post, and she dint
once mention diesel cars. (but I do confess mild curiosity as to what she
drives)

Mike


"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:40BFF275.99A57CB8@***.net...
> If your husband truly drove a truck then he would hate every diesel
> powered four wheeler on the road! They are the reason due to supply and
> demand his costs have gone up so much that all he is doing is collecting
> taxes for the Government. And for what, he must know the diesel is too
> dirty to pass the tests required for the gasoline engine, by a factor of
> more than two? I've driven diesels over a million miles, they have their
> place, but lets not pollute the world just because YOU want the
> polluting diesel in a passenger car.
> http://www.----------.com/rextrans.jpg
> http://www.----------.com/kenworth.jpg
> http://www.----------.com/mack.jpg
> http://www.----------.com/white.jpg
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Me Too wrote:
> >
> > What a sad, bitter and twisted person you have become to let some bad
> > experiences all those years cloud your objectivity.
> > If you truly want nothing to do with diesels, then why do you fill your
car
> > with petrol delivered by a diesel truck?
> > why do you eat food brought to the consumer by diesel truck? or drive on
> > highways laid by diesel powered equipment?
> > wear clothes delivered by diesel truck?
> >
> > My husband is a truck driver and he just laughs at people who hate 'so
> > called' dirty smelly diesels, and wishes they would put their money
where
> > their mouth is and do totally without everything that the modern diesel
> > means. he thinks that about 90% of them would be dead in a month, and
most
> > of the rest would be in a verry sorry state indeed.
> >
> > Susan

Mike

Jerry is the one who apparently detestes everything to do with ANYTHING
powered by diesel, and it consistantly shows by his posts. I posted the link
to that marine diesel to show what CAN be done, but Jerry simply classes it
as one and the same with every 20+ year old, badly maintained oil burner out
on the highway. You simply do not install unreliable, uneconomic power
plants in 100,000 ton ships. its a whole different ball game, if only people
would realise it. I think Susan did, by the tone of her post, and she dint
once mention diesel cars. (but I do confess mild curiosity as to what she
drives)

Mike


"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:40BFF275.99A57CB8@***.net...
> If your husband truly drove a truck then he would hate every diesel
> powered four wheeler on the road! They are the reason due to supply and
> demand his costs have gone up so much that all he is doing is collecting
> taxes for the Government. And for what, he must know the diesel is too
> dirty to pass the tests required for the gasoline engine, by a factor of
> more than two? I've driven diesels over a million miles, they have their
> place, but lets not pollute the world just because YOU want the
> polluting diesel in a passenger car.
> http://www.----------.com/rextrans.jpg
> http://www.----------.com/kenworth.jpg
> http://www.----------.com/mack.jpg
> http://www.----------.com/white.jpg
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Me Too wrote:
> >
> > What a sad, bitter and twisted person you have become to let some bad
> > experiences all those years cloud your objectivity.
> > If you truly want nothing to do with diesels, then why do you fill your
car
> > with petrol delivered by a diesel truck?
> > why do you eat food brought to the consumer by diesel truck? or drive on
> > highways laid by diesel powered equipment?
> > wear clothes delivered by diesel truck?
> >
> > My husband is a truck driver and he just laughs at people who hate 'so
> > called' dirty smelly diesels, and wishes they would put their money
where
> > their mouth is and do totally without everything that the modern diesel
> > means. he thinks that about 90% of them would be dead in a month, and
most
> > of the rest would be in a verry sorry state indeed.
> >
> > Susan

Mike

Jerry is the one who apparently detestes everything to do with ANYTHING
powered by diesel, and it consistantly shows by his posts. I posted the link
to that marine diesel to show what CAN be done, but Jerry simply classes it
as one and the same with every 20+ year old, badly maintained oil burner out
on the highway. You simply do not install unreliable, uneconomic power
plants in 100,000 ton ships. its a whole different ball game, if only people
would realise it. I think Susan did, by the tone of her post, and she dint
once mention diesel cars. (but I do confess mild curiosity as to what she
drives)

Mike


"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:40BFF275.99A57CB8@***.net...
> If your husband truly drove a truck then he would hate every diesel
> powered four wheeler on the road! They are the reason due to supply and
> demand his costs have gone up so much that all he is doing is collecting
> taxes for the Government. And for what, he must know the diesel is too
> dirty to pass the tests required for the gasoline engine, by a factor of
> more than two? I've driven diesels over a million miles, they have their
> place, but lets not pollute the world just because YOU want the
> polluting diesel in a passenger car.
> http://www.----------.com/rextrans.jpg
> http://www.----------.com/kenworth.jpg
> http://www.----------.com/mack.jpg
> http://www.----------.com/white.jpg
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Me Too wrote:
> >
> > What a sad, bitter and twisted person you have become to let some bad
> > experiences all those years cloud your objectivity.
> > If you truly want nothing to do with diesels, then why do you fill your
car
> > with petrol delivered by a diesel truck?
> > why do you eat food brought to the consumer by diesel truck? or drive on
> > highways laid by diesel powered equipment?
> > wear clothes delivered by diesel truck?
> >
> > My husband is a truck driver and he just laughs at people who hate 'so
> > called' dirty smelly diesels, and wishes they would put their money
where
> > their mouth is and do totally without everything that the modern diesel
> > means. he thinks that about 90% of them would be dead in a month, and
most
> > of the rest would be in a verry sorry state indeed.
> >
> > Susan

Mike

Jerry is the one who apparently detestes everything to do with ANYTHING
powered by diesel, and it consistantly shows by his posts. I posted the link
to that marine diesel to show what CAN be done, but Jerry simply classes it
as one and the same with every 20+ year old, badly maintained oil burner out
on the highway. You simply do not install unreliable, uneconomic power
plants in 100,000 ton ships. its a whole different ball game, if only people
would realise it. I think Susan did, by the tone of her post, and she dint
once mention diesel cars. (but I do confess mild curiosity as to what she
drives)

Mike


"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:40BFF275.99A57CB8@***.net...
> If your husband truly drove a truck then he would hate every diesel
> powered four wheeler on the road! They are the reason due to supply and
> demand his costs have gone up so much that all he is doing is collecting
> taxes for the Government. And for what, he must know the diesel is too
> dirty to pass the tests required for the gasoline engine, by a factor of
> more than two? I've driven diesels over a million miles, they have their
> place, but lets not pollute the world just because YOU want the
> polluting diesel in a passenger car.
> http://www.----------.com/rextrans.jpg
> http://www.----------.com/kenworth.jpg
> http://www.----------.com/mack.jpg
> http://www.----------.com/white.jpg
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Me Too wrote:
> >
> > What a sad, bitter and twisted person you have become to let some bad
> > experiences all those years cloud your objectivity.
> > If you truly want nothing to do with diesels, then why do you fill your
car
> > with petrol delivered by a diesel truck?
> > why do you eat food brought to the consumer by diesel truck? or drive on
> > highways laid by diesel powered equipment?
> > wear clothes delivered by diesel truck?
> >
> > My husband is a truck driver and he just laughs at people who hate 'so
> > called' dirty smelly diesels, and wishes they would put their money
where
> > their mouth is and do totally without everything that the modern diesel
> > means. he thinks that about 90% of them would be dead in a month, and
most
> > of the rest would be in a verry sorry state indeed.
> >
> > Susan

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

Paul, rather than call you a lair, maybe your just ignorant, and can't
see the smoke screen come out the back of your diesel as you drive.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Paul Calman wrote:
>
> Ah, yes. The old school of common knowlege? The one that teaches that all
> offroaders live to destroy nature? All blacks are good at basketball?
>
> All of the diesels that you see smoking, smoke. The rest don't. Nearly all
> diesels will smoke under a heavy load at high RPMs, or under hard
> acceleration, but even that is still producing less pollutants than a gas
> vehicle of similar displacement under the same load. Just because you can
> see or smell it, doesn't make it worse.
> Stinky it may be, but my diesel does not smoke in normal use, and I get
> nearly 50 MPG.
> I have a grand that says we can pick out five strangers in town, and they
> won't see smoke when I drive by the market in either direction. Come on up,
> bring money.
> - -
> Paul Calman, Hathaway Pines, California

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

Paul, rather than call you a lair, maybe your just ignorant, and can't
see the smoke screen come out the back of your diesel as you drive.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Paul Calman wrote:
>
> Ah, yes. The old school of common knowlege? The one that teaches that all
> offroaders live to destroy nature? All blacks are good at basketball?
>
> All of the diesels that you see smoking, smoke. The rest don't. Nearly all
> diesels will smoke under a heavy load at high RPMs, or under hard
> acceleration, but even that is still producing less pollutants than a gas
> vehicle of similar displacement under the same load. Just because you can
> see or smell it, doesn't make it worse.
> Stinky it may be, but my diesel does not smoke in normal use, and I get
> nearly 50 MPG.
> I have a grand that says we can pick out five strangers in town, and they
> won't see smoke when I drive by the market in either direction. Come on up,
> bring money.
> - -
> Paul Calman, Hathaway Pines, California

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

Paul, rather than call you a lair, maybe your just ignorant, and can't
see the smoke screen come out the back of your diesel as you drive.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Paul Calman wrote:
>
> Ah, yes. The old school of common knowlege? The one that teaches that all
> offroaders live to destroy nature? All blacks are good at basketball?
>
> All of the diesels that you see smoking, smoke. The rest don't. Nearly all
> diesels will smoke under a heavy load at high RPMs, or under hard
> acceleration, but even that is still producing less pollutants than a gas
> vehicle of similar displacement under the same load. Just because you can
> see or smell it, doesn't make it worse.
> Stinky it may be, but my diesel does not smoke in normal use, and I get
> nearly 50 MPG.
> I have a grand that says we can pick out five strangers in town, and they
> won't see smoke when I drive by the market in either direction. Come on up,
> bring money.
> - -
> Paul Calman, Hathaway Pines, California

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

Paul, rather than call you a lair, maybe your just ignorant, and can't
see the smoke screen come out the back of your diesel as you drive.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Paul Calman wrote:
>
> Ah, yes. The old school of common knowlege? The one that teaches that all
> offroaders live to destroy nature? All blacks are good at basketball?
>
> All of the diesels that you see smoking, smoke. The rest don't. Nearly all
> diesels will smoke under a heavy load at high RPMs, or under hard
> acceleration, but even that is still producing less pollutants than a gas
> vehicle of similar displacement under the same load. Just because you can
> see or smell it, doesn't make it worse.
> Stinky it may be, but my diesel does not smoke in normal use, and I get
> nearly 50 MPG.
> I have a grand that says we can pick out five strangers in town, and they
> won't see smoke when I drive by the market in either direction. Come on up,
> bring money.
> - -
> Paul Calman, Hathaway Pines, California

Shaggie

On Thu, 3 Jun 2004 21:49:16 -0700, "Paul Calman" <spam@trap.com>
wrote:

>> Quit being stupid. Everyone knows diesels smoke. You're embarrassing
>> yourself.
>
> Ah, yes. The old school of common knowlege? The one that teaches that all
>offroaders live to destroy nature? All blacks are good at basketball?
>
>All of the diesels that you see smoking, smoke. The rest don't. Nearly all
>diesels will smoke under a heavy load at high RPMs, or under hard
>acceleration,

OK, you're almost there... Get rid of the "Nearly" in that sentence
and you'll be one step closer. I'm glad I could assist you through
this learning process! :-)

> but even that is still producing less pollutants than a gas
>vehicle of similar displacement under the same load. Just because you can
>see or smell it, doesn't make it worse.
>Stinky it may be, but my diesel does not smoke in normal use, and I get
>nearly 50 MPG.
>I have a grand that says we can pick out five strangers in town, and they
>won't see smoke when I drive by the market in either direction. Come on up,
>bring money.

I don't live in California, thank God. But I can almost smell your
fumes all the way over here on the east coast. Do us all a favor and
trade your hunk o' junk in on a real vehicle. Spend your "grand" as
part of a down-payment on something that doesn't put out such stanky
smells. Think of the kids. You don't want them growing up with
black-lung and stuff like that just because you're selfish and wanna
get 50mpg in your pollution-spewing rattle-trap! As you get older,
you'll understand stuff like this better and learn to think of other
people besides just yourself, son. :-)

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and furthermore always carry a small snake.
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