Re: More 30" vs. 31" BFG tire questions
 

<< I originally went with the 30's over 31's so I didn't lose an extra 1
or 2 mpg's, and lose more power. The stock 30's even felt kinda
sluggish to me, with the six cyl >>

What is your jeep geared? 30's are about as big as is practical with 3.07's
and a 5-speed tranny.

-jeff

Re: More 30" vs. 31" BFG tire questions
 

<< I originally went with the 30's over 31's so I didn't lose an extra 1
or 2 mpg's, and lose more power. The stock 30's even felt kinda
sluggish to me, with the six cyl >>

What is your jeep geared? 30's are about as big as is practical with 3.07's
and a 5-speed tranny.

-jeff

Re: More 30" vs. 31" BFG tire questions
 

That mileage is pretty good. That's about mine with the stock 30"
goodyears and 3.73 gearing. Do you drive those tires a lot in snow and
slippery highways? How do they do on slippery highways and snowy
roads? Are they prone to hydroplane ?

I called NTB today and found out that they no longer offer the return
policy!!! Bummer. They said they stopped doing the 30 day
satisfaction a year or so ago. I guess it's my fault for not asking
up front. Only thing they'll do is give me about 75% credit on what I
paid as trade in. After only 20 miles!

One thing about the BFG 30" AT's I have right now. They kinda look a
little smaller than the stock GSA's I had. Probably psychological.
>
> Tirya wrote:
>
> > I'm running the stock gearing that came with the '99 Sahara (D30 in front, D35
> > in back) which would make it 3.73, I think? The only modification I have on
> > it is the 31x10.5.15 tires - everything else is stock. I run about 2200 RPM
> > on the highway, at about 60-70MPH in fifth.
> >
> > It's four and a half years old, and has 106K miles on it - I *LOVE* my Jeep!!!
> > It's also my daily driver, averages about 16-18 MPG (city/highway mix), which
> > was kinda pricey when gas was up around $2/gallon, but I wouldn't trade it for
> > anything.
> >
> > Tirya
> > --
> > TDC Inca Jeeper
> > A dirty Jeep is a happy Jeep.
> >
> > "stephjeff" <bag@centurytel.net> wrote in message
> > news:b15a3f2e.0312212051.4803845d@posting.google.c om...
> >
> >>Tirya, very nice. Now I really want to get the 31's. What kind of
> >>gearing do you have and what kind of mpg are you getting? Is it
> >>decent in fifth gear on the highway? I still have to be somewhat
> >>pratical. It's my only ride.
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> __________________________________________________ _________
> tw
> 03 TJ Rubicon
> 01 XJ Sport
>
> "Reports that say that something hasn't happened are always interesting
> to me, because as we know, there are known knowns, there are things
> we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to
> say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also
> unknown unknowns — the ones we don't know we don't know."
> -- Donald Rumsfeld (2003)
>
> "I think that gay marriage is something that should be between a man and
> a woman."
> -- Arnold Schwarzenegger (2003)
>
> __________________________________________________ _________

Re: More 30" vs. 31" BFG tire questions
 

That mileage is pretty good. That's about mine with the stock 30"
goodyears and 3.73 gearing. Do you drive those tires a lot in snow and
slippery highways? How do they do on slippery highways and snowy
roads? Are they prone to hydroplane ?

I called NTB today and found out that they no longer offer the return
policy!!! Bummer. They said they stopped doing the 30 day
satisfaction a year or so ago. I guess it's my fault for not asking
up front. Only thing they'll do is give me about 75% credit on what I
paid as trade in. After only 20 miles!

One thing about the BFG 30" AT's I have right now. They kinda look a
little smaller than the stock GSA's I had. Probably psychological.
>
> Tirya wrote:
>
> > I'm running the stock gearing that came with the '99 Sahara (D30 in front, D35
> > in back) which would make it 3.73, I think? The only modification I have on
> > it is the 31x10.5.15 tires - everything else is stock. I run about 2200 RPM
> > on the highway, at about 60-70MPH in fifth.
> >
> > It's four and a half years old, and has 106K miles on it - I *LOVE* my Jeep!!!
> > It's also my daily driver, averages about 16-18 MPG (city/highway mix), which
> > was kinda pricey when gas was up around $2/gallon, but I wouldn't trade it for
> > anything.
> >
> > Tirya
> > --
> > TDC Inca Jeeper
> > A dirty Jeep is a happy Jeep.
> >
> > "stephjeff" <bag@centurytel.net> wrote in message
> > news:b15a3f2e.0312212051.4803845d@posting.google.c om...
> >
> >>Tirya, very nice. Now I really want to get the 31's. What kind of
> >>gearing do you have and what kind of mpg are you getting? Is it
> >>decent in fifth gear on the highway? I still have to be somewhat
> >>pratical. It's my only ride.
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> __________________________________________________ _________
> tw
> 03 TJ Rubicon
> 01 XJ Sport
>
> "Reports that say that something hasn't happened are always interesting
> to me, because as we know, there are known knowns, there are things
> we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to
> say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also
> unknown unknowns — the ones we don't know we don't know."
> -- Donald Rumsfeld (2003)
>
> "I think that gay marriage is something that should be between a man and
> a woman."
> -- Arnold Schwarzenegger (2003)
>
> __________________________________________________ _________

Re: More 30" vs. 31" BFG tire questions
 

That mileage is pretty good. That's about mine with the stock 30"
goodyears and 3.73 gearing. Do you drive those tires a lot in snow and
slippery highways? How do they do on slippery highways and snowy
roads? Are they prone to hydroplane ?

I called NTB today and found out that they no longer offer the return
policy!!! Bummer. They said they stopped doing the 30 day
satisfaction a year or so ago. I guess it's my fault for not asking
up front. Only thing they'll do is give me about 75% credit on what I
paid as trade in. After only 20 miles!

One thing about the BFG 30" AT's I have right now. They kinda look a
little smaller than the stock GSA's I had. Probably psychological.
>
> Tirya wrote:
>
> > I'm running the stock gearing that came with the '99 Sahara (D30 in front, D35
> > in back) which would make it 3.73, I think? The only modification I have on
> > it is the 31x10.5.15 tires - everything else is stock. I run about 2200 RPM
> > on the highway, at about 60-70MPH in fifth.
> >
> > It's four and a half years old, and has 106K miles on it - I *LOVE* my Jeep!!!
> > It's also my daily driver, averages about 16-18 MPG (city/highway mix), which
> > was kinda pricey when gas was up around $2/gallon, but I wouldn't trade it for
> > anything.
> >
> > Tirya
> > --
> > TDC Inca Jeeper
> > A dirty Jeep is a happy Jeep.
> >
> > "stephjeff" <bag@centurytel.net> wrote in message
> > news:b15a3f2e.0312212051.4803845d@posting.google.c om...
> >
> >>Tirya, very nice. Now I really want to get the 31's. What kind of
> >>gearing do you have and what kind of mpg are you getting? Is it
> >>decent in fifth gear on the highway? I still have to be somewhat
> >>pratical. It's my only ride.
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> __________________________________________________ _________
> tw
> 03 TJ Rubicon
> 01 XJ Sport
>
> "Reports that say that something hasn't happened are always interesting
> to me, because as we know, there are known knowns, there are things
> we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to
> say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also
> unknown unknowns — the ones we don't know we don't know."
> -- Donald Rumsfeld (2003)
>
> "I think that gay marriage is something that should be between a man and
> a woman."
> -- Arnold Schwarzenegger (2003)
>
> __________________________________________________ _________

Re: More 30" vs. 31" BFG tire questions
 

No it's 3.73. I'm sure. But my first jeep, a 97 tj, had 3.07 gears
and the stock 225 tires on it. That thing had some pickup on it. It
was pretty quick on the highways and I remember getting 20+ mpg
city/highway mix. The 3.73 with the 30's on my 98 is a little pig when
it comes to gas guzzlin'. MPG is about 4 mpg less.

Besides Gas mileage, the thing I didn't like about the the Goodyear
30" stock tires is that they were terrible on snowy roads, and would
slide like crazy. I drive very slow and cautiously because of this,
but I'd still be all over the road. Doing 50 mph on the highway in
rain, I've felt it hydroplaning. I've read about the BFG KO's having
better features to improve the slippery conditions. I'm wondering if
the wider 31x10.5" will be any worse, or better than the stock 30"
GSA's that were so squirrely, due to their improved siping, tread
etc... ?

thanks
Jeff




news:<20031223004321.01560.00000860@mb-m20.aol.com>...
> << I originally went with the 30's over 31's so I didn't lose an extra 1
> or 2 mpg's, and lose more power. The stock 30's even felt kinda
> sluggish to me, with the six cyl >>
>
> What is your jeep geared? 30's are about as big as is practical with 3.07's
> and a 5-speed tranny.
>
> -jeff

Re: More 30" vs. 31" BFG tire questions
 

No it's 3.73. I'm sure. But my first jeep, a 97 tj, had 3.07 gears
and the stock 225 tires on it. That thing had some pickup on it. It
was pretty quick on the highways and I remember getting 20+ mpg
city/highway mix. The 3.73 with the 30's on my 98 is a little pig when
it comes to gas guzzlin'. MPG is about 4 mpg less.

Besides Gas mileage, the thing I didn't like about the the Goodyear
30" stock tires is that they were terrible on snowy roads, and would
slide like crazy. I drive very slow and cautiously because of this,
but I'd still be all over the road. Doing 50 mph on the highway in
rain, I've felt it hydroplaning. I've read about the BFG KO's having
better features to improve the slippery conditions. I'm wondering if
the wider 31x10.5" will be any worse, or better than the stock 30"
GSA's that were so squirrely, due to their improved siping, tread
etc... ?

thanks
Jeff




news:<20031223004321.01560.00000860@mb-m20.aol.com>...
> << I originally went with the 30's over 31's so I didn't lose an extra 1
> or 2 mpg's, and lose more power. The stock 30's even felt kinda
> sluggish to me, with the six cyl >>
>
> What is your jeep geared? 30's are about as big as is practical with 3.07's
> and a 5-speed tranny.
>
> -jeff

Re: More 30" vs. 31" BFG tire questions
 

No it's 3.73. I'm sure. But my first jeep, a 97 tj, had 3.07 gears
and the stock 225 tires on it. That thing had some pickup on it. It
was pretty quick on the highways and I remember getting 20+ mpg
city/highway mix. The 3.73 with the 30's on my 98 is a little pig when
it comes to gas guzzlin'. MPG is about 4 mpg less.

Besides Gas mileage, the thing I didn't like about the the Goodyear
30" stock tires is that they were terrible on snowy roads, and would
slide like crazy. I drive very slow and cautiously because of this,
but I'd still be all over the road. Doing 50 mph on the highway in
rain, I've felt it hydroplaning. I've read about the BFG KO's having
better features to improve the slippery conditions. I'm wondering if
the wider 31x10.5" will be any worse, or better than the stock 30"
GSA's that were so squirrely, due to their improved siping, tread
etc... ?

thanks
Jeff




news:<20031223004321.01560.00000860@mb-m20.aol.com>...
> << I originally went with the 30's over 31's so I didn't lose an extra 1
> or 2 mpg's, and lose more power. The stock 30's even felt kinda
> sluggish to me, with the six cyl >>
>
> What is your jeep geared? 30's are about as big as is practical with 3.07's
> and a 5-speed tranny.
>
> -jeff

Re: More 30" vs. 31" BFG tire questions
 

Sorry about the delay, went home for the holidays!!

I had the 30s on the Jeep from May of '99 to Nov of '00, and put the '31s on
at that point. I moved from Chicago to Dallas in June of '02, so I had some
Chicago winters with both sets, and IMHO I didn't notice an appreciable
difference between them. I keep my tires at about 30psi, I don't know if that
makes enough of a difference. I don't have ABS, so was probably a little more
cautious about the possibility of hydroplaning or sliding while driving, but
the only times that I can remember having a problem were once trying to take a
right hand curve on slush a little too fast (and I couldn't tell you if that
was on the 30s or 31s), and once intentionally doing doughnuts to show my
niece from California what they were (that was definitely on the 31s!).
::grin::

I'm now in Texas, and was totally happy with the way they performed in the
snow we had here last February when we had a couple of days of it. I was
running through the unpacked snow on the roads (as opposed to the ice-bottomed
ruts that everyone else had carved out), and spent a couple of hours on the
drive home from work pushing people up a hill because there was a sheen of ice
on it and they couldn't get up it. =D

As a side note, I'm still on my original set of 31s from 11/00, and they've
still got about 35% tread left on them after three years and around 60K miles.

Tirya
--
TDC Inca Jeeper
A dirty Jeep is a happy Jeep.

"stephjeff" <bag@centurytel.net> wrote in message
news:b15a3f2e.0312230104.1842d931@posting.google.c om...
> That mileage is pretty good. That's about mine with the stock 30"
> goodyears and 3.73 gearing. Do you drive those tires a lot in snow and
> slippery highways? How do they do on slippery highways and snowy
> roads? Are they prone to hydroplane ?
>
> I called NTB today and found out that they no longer offer the return
> policy!!! Bummer. They said they stopped doing the 30 day
> satisfaction a year or so ago. I guess it's my fault for not asking
> up front. Only thing they'll do is give me about 75% credit on what I
> paid as trade in. After only 20 miles!
>
> One thing about the BFG 30" AT's I have right now. They kinda look a
> little smaller than the stock GSA's I had. Probably psychological.
> >
> > Tirya wrote:
> >
> > > I'm running the stock gearing that came with the '99 Sahara (D30 in
front, D35
> > > in back) which would make it 3.73, I think? The only modification I
have on
> > > it is the 31x10.5.15 tires - everything else is stock. I run about 2200
RPM
> > > on the highway, at about 60-70MPH in fifth.
> > >
> > > It's four and a half years old, and has 106K miles on it - I *LOVE* my
Jeep!!!
> > > It's also my daily driver, averages about 16-18 MPG (city/highway mix),
which
> > > was kinda pricey when gas was up around $2/gallon, but I wouldn't trade
it for
> > > anything.
> > >
> > > Tirya
> > > --
> > > TDC Inca Jeeper
> > > A dirty Jeep is a happy Jeep.
> > >
> > > "stephjeff" <bag@centurytel.net> wrote in message
> > > news:b15a3f2e.0312212051.4803845d@posting.google.c om...
> > >
> > >>Tirya, very nice. Now I really want to get the 31's. What kind of
> > >>gearing do you have and what kind of mpg are you getting? Is it
> > >>decent in fifth gear on the highway? I still have to be somewhat
> > >>pratical. It's my only ride.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > --
> > __________________________________________________ _________
> > tw
> > 03 TJ Rubicon
> > 01 XJ Sport
> >
> > "Reports that say that something hasn't happened are always interesting
> > to me, because as we know, there are known knowns, there are things
> > we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to
> > say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also
> > unknown unknowns — the ones we don't know we don't know."
> > -- Donald Rumsfeld (2003)
> >
> > "I think that gay marriage is something that should be between a man and
> > a woman."
> > -- Arnold Schwarzenegger (2003)
> >
> > __________________________________________________ _________

Re: More 30" vs. 31" BFG tire questions
 

Sorry about the delay, went home for the holidays!!

I had the 30s on the Jeep from May of '99 to Nov of '00, and put the '31s on
at that point. I moved from Chicago to Dallas in June of '02, so I had some
Chicago winters with both sets, and IMHO I didn't notice an appreciable
difference between them. I keep my tires at about 30psi, I don't know if that
makes enough of a difference. I don't have ABS, so was probably a little more
cautious about the possibility of hydroplaning or sliding while driving, but
the only times that I can remember having a problem were once trying to take a
right hand curve on slush a little too fast (and I couldn't tell you if that
was on the 30s or 31s), and once intentionally doing doughnuts to show my
niece from California what they were (that was definitely on the 31s!).
::grin::

I'm now in Texas, and was totally happy with the way they performed in the
snow we had here last February when we had a couple of days of it. I was
running through the unpacked snow on the roads (as opposed to the ice-bottomed
ruts that everyone else had carved out), and spent a couple of hours on the
drive home from work pushing people up a hill because there was a sheen of ice
on it and they couldn't get up it. =D

As a side note, I'm still on my original set of 31s from 11/00, and they've
still got about 35% tread left on them after three years and around 60K miles.

Tirya
--
TDC Inca Jeeper
A dirty Jeep is a happy Jeep.

"stephjeff" <bag@centurytel.net> wrote in message
news:b15a3f2e.0312230104.1842d931@posting.google.c om...
> That mileage is pretty good. That's about mine with the stock 30"
> goodyears and 3.73 gearing. Do you drive those tires a lot in snow and
> slippery highways? How do they do on slippery highways and snowy
> roads? Are they prone to hydroplane ?
>
> I called NTB today and found out that they no longer offer the return
> policy!!! Bummer. They said they stopped doing the 30 day
> satisfaction a year or so ago. I guess it's my fault for not asking
> up front. Only thing they'll do is give me about 75% credit on what I
> paid as trade in. After only 20 miles!
>
> One thing about the BFG 30" AT's I have right now. They kinda look a
> little smaller than the stock GSA's I had. Probably psychological.
> >
> > Tirya wrote:
> >
> > > I'm running the stock gearing that came with the '99 Sahara (D30 in
front, D35
> > > in back) which would make it 3.73, I think? The only modification I
have on
> > > it is the 31x10.5.15 tires - everything else is stock. I run about 2200
RPM
> > > on the highway, at about 60-70MPH in fifth.
> > >
> > > It's four and a half years old, and has 106K miles on it - I *LOVE* my
Jeep!!!
> > > It's also my daily driver, averages about 16-18 MPG (city/highway mix),
which
> > > was kinda pricey when gas was up around $2/gallon, but I wouldn't trade
it for
> > > anything.
> > >
> > > Tirya
> > > --
> > > TDC Inca Jeeper
> > > A dirty Jeep is a happy Jeep.
> > >
> > > "stephjeff" <bag@centurytel.net> wrote in message
> > > news:b15a3f2e.0312212051.4803845d@posting.google.c om...
> > >
> > >>Tirya, very nice. Now I really want to get the 31's. What kind of
> > >>gearing do you have and what kind of mpg are you getting? Is it
> > >>decent in fifth gear on the highway? I still have to be somewhat
> > >>pratical. It's my only ride.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > --
> > __________________________________________________ _________
> > tw
> > 03 TJ Rubicon
> > 01 XJ Sport
> >
> > "Reports that say that something hasn't happened are always interesting
> > to me, because as we know, there are known knowns, there are things
> > we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to
> > say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also
> > unknown unknowns — the ones we don't know we don't know."
> > -- Donald Rumsfeld (2003)
> >
> > "I think that gay marriage is something that should be between a man and
> > a woman."
> > -- Arnold Schwarzenegger (2003)
> >
> > __________________________________________________ _________