Jeff Strickland

Run, do not walk to the nearest exit. Do not look back.



"James" <jnipperxxx@nospamfdn.com> wrote in message
news:G9ydnS2s5bEFnaDbnZ2dnUVZ_vGinZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> Thanks for all the input, guys !!
>
>
> James
>
>

Earle Horton

In Colorado where I live no one would care. Maybe in the polluted Front
Range the Colorado Clean Air Program is still active and the monkey doing
the inspection would take a look under the car. Heh heh, who are we kidding
here. As far as the DMV going after this guy, c'mon, it's Colorado. EPA,
maybe but he's a private citizen. Do you think they have money to go after
every guy who installs a "test pipe" in his vehicle?

We have different standards in the far western and eastern parts of the
state than in the heavily populated Front Range area. The argument is that
the pollution is "diluted" so it is fewer parts per million in the air we
breath. There is no periodic emissions inspection unless you live in the
Front Range including the Peoples' Republics of Denver, Boulder, Fort
Collins and Colorado Springs or one of their puppet communities. If you
periodically "commute to or reside" in the Front Range area you are supposed
to get an inspection, but who do you think does this?

Cheers,

Earle

"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:2rCdnbg81OzqC6HbnZ2dnUVZ_rqhnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> If you really want to buy it, tell the seller if he doesn't sell it to you
> at your named price, with a new cat installed per factory specs you'll
take
> the VIN and report it to the DMV and EPA, and he'll be fined through the
> nose.
>
> :-)
>
> Seriously, though, if you live in a state that requires smog inspection
> that's an automatic fail. And if he did that, you have to wonder what else
> this genius has done to it. Did he tell you why he installed a "test
pipe?"
> If you are going to buy it, you should really have him pay to install the
> cat, as it's illegal to operate it without one.
>
> As far as the O2 sensors go, you're right, it senses the exhaust gas mix
and
> adjusts the fuel delivery parameters (no carb on this one, it's fuel
> injected) and the lack of a cat would give false readings and probably
screw
> up your fuel economy.
>
> "James" <jnipperxxx@nospamfdn.com> wrote in message
> news:8JqdnTFSWoiYCaHbnZ2dnUVZ_h-vnZ2d@comcast.com...
> >
> >
> > "What if" I found a 2000 JGC for sale, but the Seller told me that
he
> > had "modified" the catalytic converter, by welding in a piece of
straight
> > pipe in its place ?
> >
> >
> > I am not a mechanic, but I seem to recall that there are one or two
> > oxygen
> > sensors before and after the catalytic converter that feed information
to
> > the car's computer, adjusting the carb, etc etc. Are there steps that
> > can
> > be taken to get around this potential problem ?
> >
> > If this would be a significant problem, should I either avoid buying the
> > car, or just plan to have a new catalytic converter installed ?
> >
> >
> > What are the pros and cons ?
> >
> > Thanks for any tips or advice !!
> >
> >
> > James
> >
> >
>
>

Earle Horton

In Colorado where I live no one would care. Maybe in the polluted Front
Range the Colorado Clean Air Program is still active and the monkey doing
the inspection would take a look under the car. Heh heh, who are we kidding
here. As far as the DMV going after this guy, c'mon, it's Colorado. EPA,
maybe but he's a private citizen. Do you think they have money to go after
every guy who installs a "test pipe" in his vehicle?

We have different standards in the far western and eastern parts of the
state than in the heavily populated Front Range area. The argument is that
the pollution is "diluted" so it is fewer parts per million in the air we
breath. There is no periodic emissions inspection unless you live in the
Front Range including the Peoples' Republics of Denver, Boulder, Fort
Collins and Colorado Springs or one of their puppet communities. If you
periodically "commute to or reside" in the Front Range area you are supposed
to get an inspection, but who do you think does this?

Cheers,

Earle

"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:2rCdnbg81OzqC6HbnZ2dnUVZ_rqhnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> If you really want to buy it, tell the seller if he doesn't sell it to you
> at your named price, with a new cat installed per factory specs you'll
take
> the VIN and report it to the DMV and EPA, and he'll be fined through the
> nose.
>
> :-)
>
> Seriously, though, if you live in a state that requires smog inspection
> that's an automatic fail. And if he did that, you have to wonder what else
> this genius has done to it. Did he tell you why he installed a "test
pipe?"
> If you are going to buy it, you should really have him pay to install the
> cat, as it's illegal to operate it without one.
>
> As far as the O2 sensors go, you're right, it senses the exhaust gas mix
and
> adjusts the fuel delivery parameters (no carb on this one, it's fuel
> injected) and the lack of a cat would give false readings and probably
screw
> up your fuel economy.
>
> "James" <jnipperxxx@nospamfdn.com> wrote in message
> news:8JqdnTFSWoiYCaHbnZ2dnUVZ_h-vnZ2d@comcast.com...
> >
> >
> > "What if" I found a 2000 JGC for sale, but the Seller told me that
he
> > had "modified" the catalytic converter, by welding in a piece of
straight
> > pipe in its place ?
> >
> >
> > I am not a mechanic, but I seem to recall that there are one or two
> > oxygen
> > sensors before and after the catalytic converter that feed information
to
> > the car's computer, adjusting the carb, etc etc. Are there steps that
> > can
> > be taken to get around this potential problem ?
> >
> > If this would be a significant problem, should I either avoid buying the
> > car, or just plan to have a new catalytic converter installed ?
> >
> >
> > What are the pros and cons ?
> >
> > Thanks for any tips or advice !!
> >
> >
> > James
> >
> >
>
>

Earle Horton

In Colorado where I live no one would care. Maybe in the polluted Front
Range the Colorado Clean Air Program is still active and the monkey doing
the inspection would take a look under the car. Heh heh, who are we kidding
here. As far as the DMV going after this guy, c'mon, it's Colorado. EPA,
maybe but he's a private citizen. Do you think they have money to go after
every guy who installs a "test pipe" in his vehicle?

We have different standards in the far western and eastern parts of the
state than in the heavily populated Front Range area. The argument is that
the pollution is "diluted" so it is fewer parts per million in the air we
breath. There is no periodic emissions inspection unless you live in the
Front Range including the Peoples' Republics of Denver, Boulder, Fort
Collins and Colorado Springs or one of their puppet communities. If you
periodically "commute to or reside" in the Front Range area you are supposed
to get an inspection, but who do you think does this?

Cheers,

Earle

"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:2rCdnbg81OzqC6HbnZ2dnUVZ_rqhnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> If you really want to buy it, tell the seller if he doesn't sell it to you
> at your named price, with a new cat installed per factory specs you'll
take
> the VIN and report it to the DMV and EPA, and he'll be fined through the
> nose.
>
> :-)
>
> Seriously, though, if you live in a state that requires smog inspection
> that's an automatic fail. And if he did that, you have to wonder what else
> this genius has done to it. Did he tell you why he installed a "test
pipe?"
> If you are going to buy it, you should really have him pay to install the
> cat, as it's illegal to operate it without one.
>
> As far as the O2 sensors go, you're right, it senses the exhaust gas mix
and
> adjusts the fuel delivery parameters (no carb on this one, it's fuel
> injected) and the lack of a cat would give false readings and probably
screw
> up your fuel economy.
>
> "James" <jnipperxxx@nospamfdn.com> wrote in message
> news:8JqdnTFSWoiYCaHbnZ2dnUVZ_h-vnZ2d@comcast.com...
> >
> >
> > "What if" I found a 2000 JGC for sale, but the Seller told me that
he
> > had "modified" the catalytic converter, by welding in a piece of
straight
> > pipe in its place ?
> >
> >
> > I am not a mechanic, but I seem to recall that there are one or two
> > oxygen
> > sensors before and after the catalytic converter that feed information
to
> > the car's computer, adjusting the carb, etc etc. Are there steps that
> > can
> > be taken to get around this potential problem ?
> >
> > If this would be a significant problem, should I either avoid buying the
> > car, or just plan to have a new catalytic converter installed ?
> >
> >
> > What are the pros and cons ?
> >
> > Thanks for any tips or advice !!
> >
> >
> > James
> >
> >
>
>

Earle Horton

In Colorado where I live no one would care. Maybe in the polluted Front
Range the Colorado Clean Air Program is still active and the monkey doing
the inspection would take a look under the car. Heh heh, who are we kidding
here. As far as the DMV going after this guy, c'mon, it's Colorado. EPA,
maybe but he's a private citizen. Do you think they have money to go after
every guy who installs a "test pipe" in his vehicle?

We have different standards in the far western and eastern parts of the
state than in the heavily populated Front Range area. The argument is that
the pollution is "diluted" so it is fewer parts per million in the air we
breath. There is no periodic emissions inspection unless you live in the
Front Range including the Peoples' Republics of Denver, Boulder, Fort
Collins and Colorado Springs or one of their puppet communities. If you
periodically "commute to or reside" in the Front Range area you are supposed
to get an inspection, but who do you think does this?

Cheers,

Earle

"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:2rCdnbg81OzqC6HbnZ2dnUVZ_rqhnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> If you really want to buy it, tell the seller if he doesn't sell it to you
> at your named price, with a new cat installed per factory specs you'll
take
> the VIN and report it to the DMV and EPA, and he'll be fined through the
> nose.
>
> :-)
>
> Seriously, though, if you live in a state that requires smog inspection
> that's an automatic fail. And if he did that, you have to wonder what else
> this genius has done to it. Did he tell you why he installed a "test
pipe?"
> If you are going to buy it, you should really have him pay to install the
> cat, as it's illegal to operate it without one.
>
> As far as the O2 sensors go, you're right, it senses the exhaust gas mix
and
> adjusts the fuel delivery parameters (no carb on this one, it's fuel
> injected) and the lack of a cat would give false readings and probably
screw
> up your fuel economy.
>
> "James" <jnipperxxx@nospamfdn.com> wrote in message
> news:8JqdnTFSWoiYCaHbnZ2dnUVZ_h-vnZ2d@comcast.com...
> >
> >
> > "What if" I found a 2000 JGC for sale, but the Seller told me that
he
> > had "modified" the catalytic converter, by welding in a piece of
straight
> > pipe in its place ?
> >
> >
> > I am not a mechanic, but I seem to recall that there are one or two
> > oxygen
> > sensors before and after the catalytic converter that feed information
to
> > the car's computer, adjusting the carb, etc etc. Are there steps that
> > can
> > be taken to get around this potential problem ?
> >
> > If this would be a significant problem, should I either avoid buying the
> > car, or just plan to have a new catalytic converter installed ?
> >
> >
> > What are the pros and cons ?
> >
> > Thanks for any tips or advice !!
> >
> >
> > James
> >
> >
>
>

Matt Macchiarolo

Didn't see where the OP mentioned he was from Colorado.

"Earle Horton" <earle@angloburgues.usa> wrote in message
news:463d5abf$0$31825$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om...
> In Colorado where I live no one would care. Maybe in the polluted Front
> Range the Colorado Clean Air Program is still active and the monkey doing
> the inspection would take a look under the car. Heh heh, who are we
> kidding
> here. As far as the DMV going after this guy, c'mon, it's Colorado. EPA,
> maybe but he's a private citizen. Do you think they have money to go
> after
> every guy who installs a "test pipe" in his vehicle?
>
> We have different standards in the far western and eastern parts of the
> state than in the heavily populated Front Range area. The argument is
> that
> the pollution is "diluted" so it is fewer parts per million in the air we
> breath. There is no periodic emissions inspection unless you live in the
> Front Range including the Peoples' Republics of Denver, Boulder, Fort
> Collins and Colorado Springs or one of their puppet communities. If you
> periodically "commute to or reside" in the Front Range area you are
> supposed
> to get an inspection, but who do you think does this?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Earle
>
> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> news:2rCdnbg81OzqC6HbnZ2dnUVZ_rqhnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>> If you really want to buy it, tell the seller if he doesn't sell it to
>> you
>> at your named price, with a new cat installed per factory specs you'll
> take
>> the VIN and report it to the DMV and EPA, and he'll be fined through the
>> nose.
>>
>> :-)
>>
>> Seriously, though, if you live in a state that requires smog inspection
>> that's an automatic fail. And if he did that, you have to wonder what
>> else
>> this genius has done to it. Did he tell you why he installed a "test
> pipe?"
>> If you are going to buy it, you should really have him pay to install the
>> cat, as it's illegal to operate it without one.
>>
>> As far as the O2 sensors go, you're right, it senses the exhaust gas mix
> and
>> adjusts the fuel delivery parameters (no carb on this one, it's fuel
>> injected) and the lack of a cat would give false readings and probably
> screw
>> up your fuel economy.
>>
>> "James" <jnipperxxx@nospamfdn.com> wrote in message
>> news:8JqdnTFSWoiYCaHbnZ2dnUVZ_h-vnZ2d@comcast.com...
>> >
>> >
>> > "What if" I found a 2000 JGC for sale, but the Seller told me that
> he
>> > had "modified" the catalytic converter, by welding in a piece of
> straight
>> > pipe in its place ?
>> >
>> >
>> > I am not a mechanic, but I seem to recall that there are one or two
>> > oxygen
>> > sensors before and after the catalytic converter that feed information
> to
>> > the car's computer, adjusting the carb, etc etc. Are there steps
>> > that
>> > can
>> > be taken to get around this potential problem ?
>> >
>> > If this would be a significant problem, should I either avoid buying
>> > the
>> > car, or just plan to have a new catalytic converter installed ?
>> >
>> >
>> > What are the pros and cons ?
>> >
>> > Thanks for any tips or advice !!
>> >
>> >
>> > James
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>

Matt Macchiarolo

Didn't see where the OP mentioned he was from Colorado.

"Earle Horton" <earle@angloburgues.usa> wrote in message
news:463d5abf$0$31825$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om...
> In Colorado where I live no one would care. Maybe in the polluted Front
> Range the Colorado Clean Air Program is still active and the monkey doing
> the inspection would take a look under the car. Heh heh, who are we
> kidding
> here. As far as the DMV going after this guy, c'mon, it's Colorado. EPA,
> maybe but he's a private citizen. Do you think they have money to go
> after
> every guy who installs a "test pipe" in his vehicle?
>
> We have different standards in the far western and eastern parts of the
> state than in the heavily populated Front Range area. The argument is
> that
> the pollution is "diluted" so it is fewer parts per million in the air we
> breath. There is no periodic emissions inspection unless you live in the
> Front Range including the Peoples' Republics of Denver, Boulder, Fort
> Collins and Colorado Springs or one of their puppet communities. If you
> periodically "commute to or reside" in the Front Range area you are
> supposed
> to get an inspection, but who do you think does this?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Earle
>
> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> news:2rCdnbg81OzqC6HbnZ2dnUVZ_rqhnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>> If you really want to buy it, tell the seller if he doesn't sell it to
>> you
>> at your named price, with a new cat installed per factory specs you'll
> take
>> the VIN and report it to the DMV and EPA, and he'll be fined through the
>> nose.
>>
>> :-)
>>
>> Seriously, though, if you live in a state that requires smog inspection
>> that's an automatic fail. And if he did that, you have to wonder what
>> else
>> this genius has done to it. Did he tell you why he installed a "test
> pipe?"
>> If you are going to buy it, you should really have him pay to install the
>> cat, as it's illegal to operate it without one.
>>
>> As far as the O2 sensors go, you're right, it senses the exhaust gas mix
> and
>> adjusts the fuel delivery parameters (no carb on this one, it's fuel
>> injected) and the lack of a cat would give false readings and probably
> screw
>> up your fuel economy.
>>
>> "James" <jnipperxxx@nospamfdn.com> wrote in message
>> news:8JqdnTFSWoiYCaHbnZ2dnUVZ_h-vnZ2d@comcast.com...
>> >
>> >
>> > "What if" I found a 2000 JGC for sale, but the Seller told me that
> he
>> > had "modified" the catalytic converter, by welding in a piece of
> straight
>> > pipe in its place ?
>> >
>> >
>> > I am not a mechanic, but I seem to recall that there are one or two
>> > oxygen
>> > sensors before and after the catalytic converter that feed information
> to
>> > the car's computer, adjusting the carb, etc etc. Are there steps
>> > that
>> > can
>> > be taken to get around this potential problem ?
>> >
>> > If this would be a significant problem, should I either avoid buying
>> > the
>> > car, or just plan to have a new catalytic converter installed ?
>> >
>> >
>> > What are the pros and cons ?
>> >
>> > Thanks for any tips or advice !!
>> >
>> >
>> > James
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>

Matt Macchiarolo

Didn't see where the OP mentioned he was from Colorado.

"Earle Horton" <earle@angloburgues.usa> wrote in message
news:463d5abf$0$31825$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om...
> In Colorado where I live no one would care. Maybe in the polluted Front
> Range the Colorado Clean Air Program is still active and the monkey doing
> the inspection would take a look under the car. Heh heh, who are we
> kidding
> here. As far as the DMV going after this guy, c'mon, it's Colorado. EPA,
> maybe but he's a private citizen. Do you think they have money to go
> after
> every guy who installs a "test pipe" in his vehicle?
>
> We have different standards in the far western and eastern parts of the
> state than in the heavily populated Front Range area. The argument is
> that
> the pollution is "diluted" so it is fewer parts per million in the air we
> breath. There is no periodic emissions inspection unless you live in the
> Front Range including the Peoples' Republics of Denver, Boulder, Fort
> Collins and Colorado Springs or one of their puppet communities. If you
> periodically "commute to or reside" in the Front Range area you are
> supposed
> to get an inspection, but who do you think does this?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Earle
>
> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> news:2rCdnbg81OzqC6HbnZ2dnUVZ_rqhnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>> If you really want to buy it, tell the seller if he doesn't sell it to
>> you
>> at your named price, with a new cat installed per factory specs you'll
> take
>> the VIN and report it to the DMV and EPA, and he'll be fined through the
>> nose.
>>
>> :-)
>>
>> Seriously, though, if you live in a state that requires smog inspection
>> that's an automatic fail. And if he did that, you have to wonder what
>> else
>> this genius has done to it. Did he tell you why he installed a "test
> pipe?"
>> If you are going to buy it, you should really have him pay to install the
>> cat, as it's illegal to operate it without one.
>>
>> As far as the O2 sensors go, you're right, it senses the exhaust gas mix
> and
>> adjusts the fuel delivery parameters (no carb on this one, it's fuel
>> injected) and the lack of a cat would give false readings and probably
> screw
>> up your fuel economy.
>>
>> "James" <jnipperxxx@nospamfdn.com> wrote in message
>> news:8JqdnTFSWoiYCaHbnZ2dnUVZ_h-vnZ2d@comcast.com...
>> >
>> >
>> > "What if" I found a 2000 JGC for sale, but the Seller told me that
> he
>> > had "modified" the catalytic converter, by welding in a piece of
> straight
>> > pipe in its place ?
>> >
>> >
>> > I am not a mechanic, but I seem to recall that there are one or two
>> > oxygen
>> > sensors before and after the catalytic converter that feed information
> to
>> > the car's computer, adjusting the carb, etc etc. Are there steps
>> > that
>> > can
>> > be taken to get around this potential problem ?
>> >
>> > If this would be a significant problem, should I either avoid buying
>> > the
>> > car, or just plan to have a new catalytic converter installed ?
>> >
>> >
>> > What are the pros and cons ?
>> >
>> > Thanks for any tips or advice !!
>> >
>> >
>> > James
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>

Matt Macchiarolo

Didn't see where the OP mentioned he was from Colorado.

"Earle Horton" <earle@angloburgues.usa> wrote in message
news:463d5abf$0$31825$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om...
> In Colorado where I live no one would care. Maybe in the polluted Front
> Range the Colorado Clean Air Program is still active and the monkey doing
> the inspection would take a look under the car. Heh heh, who are we
> kidding
> here. As far as the DMV going after this guy, c'mon, it's Colorado. EPA,
> maybe but he's a private citizen. Do you think they have money to go
> after
> every guy who installs a "test pipe" in his vehicle?
>
> We have different standards in the far western and eastern parts of the
> state than in the heavily populated Front Range area. The argument is
> that
> the pollution is "diluted" so it is fewer parts per million in the air we
> breath. There is no periodic emissions inspection unless you live in the
> Front Range including the Peoples' Republics of Denver, Boulder, Fort
> Collins and Colorado Springs or one of their puppet communities. If you
> periodically "commute to or reside" in the Front Range area you are
> supposed
> to get an inspection, but who do you think does this?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Earle
>
> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> news:2rCdnbg81OzqC6HbnZ2dnUVZ_rqhnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>> If you really want to buy it, tell the seller if he doesn't sell it to
>> you
>> at your named price, with a new cat installed per factory specs you'll
> take
>> the VIN and report it to the DMV and EPA, and he'll be fined through the
>> nose.
>>
>> :-)
>>
>> Seriously, though, if you live in a state that requires smog inspection
>> that's an automatic fail. And if he did that, you have to wonder what
>> else
>> this genius has done to it. Did he tell you why he installed a "test
> pipe?"
>> If you are going to buy it, you should really have him pay to install the
>> cat, as it's illegal to operate it without one.
>>
>> As far as the O2 sensors go, you're right, it senses the exhaust gas mix
> and
>> adjusts the fuel delivery parameters (no carb on this one, it's fuel
>> injected) and the lack of a cat would give false readings and probably
> screw
>> up your fuel economy.
>>
>> "James" <jnipperxxx@nospamfdn.com> wrote in message
>> news:8JqdnTFSWoiYCaHbnZ2dnUVZ_h-vnZ2d@comcast.com...
>> >
>> >
>> > "What if" I found a 2000 JGC for sale, but the Seller told me that
> he
>> > had "modified" the catalytic converter, by welding in a piece of
> straight
>> > pipe in its place ?
>> >
>> >
>> > I am not a mechanic, but I seem to recall that there are one or two
>> > oxygen
>> > sensors before and after the catalytic converter that feed information
> to
>> > the car's computer, adjusting the carb, etc etc. Are there steps
>> > that
>> > can
>> > be taken to get around this potential problem ?
>> >
>> > If this would be a significant problem, should I either avoid buying
>> > the
>> > car, or just plan to have a new catalytic converter installed ?
>> >
>> >
>> > What are the pros and cons ?
>> >
>> > Thanks for any tips or advice !!
>> >
>> >
>> > James
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>

c

On Sun, 06 May 2007 19:29:46 -0400, Matt Macchiarolo wrote:

> Didn't see where the OP mentioned he was from Colorado.

He didn't.

He /appears/ to be from around Jacksonville, FL.