Moab Trail closures
11-11-2003, 01:33 PM
#11
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Re: Moab Trail closures
It seems trail closures are a big thing in the USA
There is an organization that is trying to keep the
recreational trails open for all. Check out
http://www.sharetrails.org/
Kevin Sperle wrote:
> How come the people that want to close the trails always seem more organized
> than those of us that want to keep them open?
>
> Makes me wonder if I've done my part?
>
> "Fletcher" <no_email@please.com> wrote in message
> news:6sVrb.105338$Zq3.7573@fe12.atl2.webusenet.com ...
>
>>Ever driven Upper and Lower Helldorado? If so you may be part of history.
>>This is a Utah guy who is keeping up to date with the new issue. He has
>>been on the phone today with the BLM and the state educaton trust that use
>>to own the land. His site will be updated wtih information as it is
>>avalible.
>>
>>http://www.cruiseroutfitters.com/lan...elldorado.html
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
There is an organization that is trying to keep the
recreational trails open for all. Check out
http://www.sharetrails.org/
Kevin Sperle wrote:
> How come the people that want to close the trails always seem more organized
> than those of us that want to keep them open?
>
> Makes me wonder if I've done my part?
>
> "Fletcher" <no_email@please.com> wrote in message
> news:6sVrb.105338$Zq3.7573@fe12.atl2.webusenet.com ...
>
>>Ever driven Upper and Lower Helldorado? If so you may be part of history.
>>This is a Utah guy who is keeping up to date with the new issue. He has
>>been on the phone today with the BLM and the state educaton trust that use
>>to own the land. His site will be updated wtih information as it is
>>avalible.
>>
>>http://www.cruiseroutfitters.com/lan...elldorado.html
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
11-11-2003, 01:33 PM
#12
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Posts: n/a
Re: Moab Trail closures
It seems trail closures are a big thing in the USA
There is an organization that is trying to keep the
recreational trails open for all. Check out
http://www.sharetrails.org/
Kevin Sperle wrote:
> How come the people that want to close the trails always seem more organized
> than those of us that want to keep them open?
>
> Makes me wonder if I've done my part?
>
> "Fletcher" <no_email@please.com> wrote in message
> news:6sVrb.105338$Zq3.7573@fe12.atl2.webusenet.com ...
>
>>Ever driven Upper and Lower Helldorado? If so you may be part of history.
>>This is a Utah guy who is keeping up to date with the new issue. He has
>>been on the phone today with the BLM and the state educaton trust that use
>>to own the land. His site will be updated wtih information as it is
>>avalible.
>>
>>http://www.cruiseroutfitters.com/lan...elldorado.html
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
There is an organization that is trying to keep the
recreational trails open for all. Check out
http://www.sharetrails.org/
Kevin Sperle wrote:
> How come the people that want to close the trails always seem more organized
> than those of us that want to keep them open?
>
> Makes me wonder if I've done my part?
>
> "Fletcher" <no_email@please.com> wrote in message
> news:6sVrb.105338$Zq3.7573@fe12.atl2.webusenet.com ...
>
>>Ever driven Upper and Lower Helldorado? If so you may be part of history.
>>This is a Utah guy who is keeping up to date with the new issue. He has
>>been on the phone today with the BLM and the state educaton trust that use
>>to own the land. His site will be updated wtih information as it is
>>avalible.
>>
>>http://www.cruiseroutfitters.com/lan...elldorado.html
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
11-11-2003, 01:33 PM
#13
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Posts: n/a
Re: Moab Trail closures
It seems trail closures are a big thing in the USA
There is an organization that is trying to keep the
recreational trails open for all. Check out
http://www.sharetrails.org/
Kevin Sperle wrote:
> How come the people that want to close the trails always seem more organized
> than those of us that want to keep them open?
>
> Makes me wonder if I've done my part?
>
> "Fletcher" <no_email@please.com> wrote in message
> news:6sVrb.105338$Zq3.7573@fe12.atl2.webusenet.com ...
>
>>Ever driven Upper and Lower Helldorado? If so you may be part of history.
>>This is a Utah guy who is keeping up to date with the new issue. He has
>>been on the phone today with the BLM and the state educaton trust that use
>>to own the land. His site will be updated wtih information as it is
>>avalible.
>>
>>http://www.cruiseroutfitters.com/lan...elldorado.html
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
There is an organization that is trying to keep the
recreational trails open for all. Check out
http://www.sharetrails.org/
Kevin Sperle wrote:
> How come the people that want to close the trails always seem more organized
> than those of us that want to keep them open?
>
> Makes me wonder if I've done my part?
>
> "Fletcher" <no_email@please.com> wrote in message
> news:6sVrb.105338$Zq3.7573@fe12.atl2.webusenet.com ...
>
>>Ever driven Upper and Lower Helldorado? If so you may be part of history.
>>This is a Utah guy who is keeping up to date with the new issue. He has
>>been on the phone today with the BLM and the state educaton trust that use
>>to own the land. His site will be updated wtih information as it is
>>avalible.
>>
>>http://www.cruiseroutfitters.com/lan...elldorado.html
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
11-11-2003, 03:44 PM
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Re: Moab Trail closures
"Kevin Sperle" <ksperle@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:RE9sb.215$Rn.27301@news.uswest.net...
> How come the people that want to close the trails always seem more
organized
> than those of us that want to keep them open?
> Makes me wonder if I've done my part?
Here in Calaveras County we have gathered evidence of the lies told by those
against any off-road use of our forest, and show up at public meetings with
Forestry to stand our ground.
Activism is the only thing that will keep us from being closed out of our
public lands by SUV driving greens .
If you think that you are not doing your part, it is time to either do
something, or find a new hobby.
--
Paul Calman, Hathaway Pines, California
news:RE9sb.215$Rn.27301@news.uswest.net...
> How come the people that want to close the trails always seem more
organized
> than those of us that want to keep them open?
> Makes me wonder if I've done my part?
Here in Calaveras County we have gathered evidence of the lies told by those
against any off-road use of our forest, and show up at public meetings with
Forestry to stand our ground.
Activism is the only thing that will keep us from being closed out of our
public lands by SUV driving greens .
If you think that you are not doing your part, it is time to either do
something, or find a new hobby.
--
Paul Calman, Hathaway Pines, California
11-11-2003, 03:44 PM
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Re: Moab Trail closures
"Kevin Sperle" <ksperle@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:RE9sb.215$Rn.27301@news.uswest.net...
> How come the people that want to close the trails always seem more
organized
> than those of us that want to keep them open?
> Makes me wonder if I've done my part?
Here in Calaveras County we have gathered evidence of the lies told by those
against any off-road use of our forest, and show up at public meetings with
Forestry to stand our ground.
Activism is the only thing that will keep us from being closed out of our
public lands by SUV driving greens .
If you think that you are not doing your part, it is time to either do
something, or find a new hobby.
--
Paul Calman, Hathaway Pines, California
news:RE9sb.215$Rn.27301@news.uswest.net...
> How come the people that want to close the trails always seem more
organized
> than those of us that want to keep them open?
> Makes me wonder if I've done my part?
Here in Calaveras County we have gathered evidence of the lies told by those
against any off-road use of our forest, and show up at public meetings with
Forestry to stand our ground.
Activism is the only thing that will keep us from being closed out of our
public lands by SUV driving greens .
If you think that you are not doing your part, it is time to either do
something, or find a new hobby.
--
Paul Calman, Hathaway Pines, California
11-11-2003, 03:44 PM
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Re: Moab Trail closures
"Kevin Sperle" <ksperle@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:RE9sb.215$Rn.27301@news.uswest.net...
> How come the people that want to close the trails always seem more
organized
> than those of us that want to keep them open?
> Makes me wonder if I've done my part?
Here in Calaveras County we have gathered evidence of the lies told by those
against any off-road use of our forest, and show up at public meetings with
Forestry to stand our ground.
Activism is the only thing that will keep us from being closed out of our
public lands by SUV driving greens .
If you think that you are not doing your part, it is time to either do
something, or find a new hobby.
--
Paul Calman, Hathaway Pines, California
news:RE9sb.215$Rn.27301@news.uswest.net...
> How come the people that want to close the trails always seem more
organized
> than those of us that want to keep them open?
> Makes me wonder if I've done my part?
Here in Calaveras County we have gathered evidence of the lies told by those
against any off-road use of our forest, and show up at public meetings with
Forestry to stand our ground.
Activism is the only thing that will keep us from being closed out of our
public lands by SUV driving greens .
If you think that you are not doing your part, it is time to either do
something, or find a new hobby.
--
Paul Calman, Hathaway Pines, California
11-11-2003, 04:25 PM
#17
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Re: Moab Trail closures
Good for you Paul. I know I missed a meeting a couple weeks ago about one
of our best areas (21 rd. in Fruita, CO). Unfortunately there was no way I
could go to the meeting (out of town), but I didn't call or write either.
So if they close it, I can't point any fingers.
I sincerily encourage averyone who is not active in land use isssues to take
notice.
Moab has a very active off-roading community and this one apparently flew
under the radar. If it can happen there... it can happen anywhere.
I don't think I've done enough.... although I have been a good ambassador
for 4x4ing when possible, and helped clean up trails when possible... I'm
taking this as a wakeup call and gonna start trying to do more. I know I
can spare a little money/time to help these organizations.
Even if you don't care about what is happening in Moab. Be active in your
own area!
Info for those interested:
http://www.sharetrails.org
http://www.usa-all.com/
http://www.u4wda.org/
"Paul Calman" <spam@trap.com> wrote in message
news:borhoc$1gorev$1@ID-87669.news.uni-berlin.de...
> "Kevin Sperle" <ksperle@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:RE9sb.215$Rn.27301@news.uswest.net...
> > How come the people that want to close the trails always seem more
> organized
> > than those of us that want to keep them open?
> > Makes me wonder if I've done my part?
>
> Here in Calaveras County we have gathered evidence of the lies told by
those
> against any off-road use of our forest, and show up at public meetings
with
> Forestry to stand our ground.
> Activism is the only thing that will keep us from being closed out of our
> public lands by SUV driving greens .
> If you think that you are not doing your part, it is time to either do
> something, or find a new hobby.
> --
> Paul Calman, Hathaway Pines, California
>
>
of our best areas (21 rd. in Fruita, CO). Unfortunately there was no way I
could go to the meeting (out of town), but I didn't call or write either.
So if they close it, I can't point any fingers.
I sincerily encourage averyone who is not active in land use isssues to take
notice.
Moab has a very active off-roading community and this one apparently flew
under the radar. If it can happen there... it can happen anywhere.
I don't think I've done enough.... although I have been a good ambassador
for 4x4ing when possible, and helped clean up trails when possible... I'm
taking this as a wakeup call and gonna start trying to do more. I know I
can spare a little money/time to help these organizations.
Even if you don't care about what is happening in Moab. Be active in your
own area!
Info for those interested:
http://www.sharetrails.org
http://www.usa-all.com/
http://www.u4wda.org/
"Paul Calman" <spam@trap.com> wrote in message
news:borhoc$1gorev$1@ID-87669.news.uni-berlin.de...
> "Kevin Sperle" <ksperle@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:RE9sb.215$Rn.27301@news.uswest.net...
> > How come the people that want to close the trails always seem more
> organized
> > than those of us that want to keep them open?
> > Makes me wonder if I've done my part?
>
> Here in Calaveras County we have gathered evidence of the lies told by
those
> against any off-road use of our forest, and show up at public meetings
with
> Forestry to stand our ground.
> Activism is the only thing that will keep us from being closed out of our
> public lands by SUV driving greens .
> If you think that you are not doing your part, it is time to either do
> something, or find a new hobby.
> --
> Paul Calman, Hathaway Pines, California
>
>
11-11-2003, 04:25 PM
#18
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Re: Moab Trail closures
Good for you Paul. I know I missed a meeting a couple weeks ago about one
of our best areas (21 rd. in Fruita, CO). Unfortunately there was no way I
could go to the meeting (out of town), but I didn't call or write either.
So if they close it, I can't point any fingers.
I sincerily encourage averyone who is not active in land use isssues to take
notice.
Moab has a very active off-roading community and this one apparently flew
under the radar. If it can happen there... it can happen anywhere.
I don't think I've done enough.... although I have been a good ambassador
for 4x4ing when possible, and helped clean up trails when possible... I'm
taking this as a wakeup call and gonna start trying to do more. I know I
can spare a little money/time to help these organizations.
Even if you don't care about what is happening in Moab. Be active in your
own area!
Info for those interested:
http://www.sharetrails.org
http://www.usa-all.com/
http://www.u4wda.org/
"Paul Calman" <spam@trap.com> wrote in message
news:borhoc$1gorev$1@ID-87669.news.uni-berlin.de...
> "Kevin Sperle" <ksperle@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:RE9sb.215$Rn.27301@news.uswest.net...
> > How come the people that want to close the trails always seem more
> organized
> > than those of us that want to keep them open?
> > Makes me wonder if I've done my part?
>
> Here in Calaveras County we have gathered evidence of the lies told by
those
> against any off-road use of our forest, and show up at public meetings
with
> Forestry to stand our ground.
> Activism is the only thing that will keep us from being closed out of our
> public lands by SUV driving greens .
> If you think that you are not doing your part, it is time to either do
> something, or find a new hobby.
> --
> Paul Calman, Hathaway Pines, California
>
>
of our best areas (21 rd. in Fruita, CO). Unfortunately there was no way I
could go to the meeting (out of town), but I didn't call or write either.
So if they close it, I can't point any fingers.
I sincerily encourage averyone who is not active in land use isssues to take
notice.
Moab has a very active off-roading community and this one apparently flew
under the radar. If it can happen there... it can happen anywhere.
I don't think I've done enough.... although I have been a good ambassador
for 4x4ing when possible, and helped clean up trails when possible... I'm
taking this as a wakeup call and gonna start trying to do more. I know I
can spare a little money/time to help these organizations.
Even if you don't care about what is happening in Moab. Be active in your
own area!
Info for those interested:
http://www.sharetrails.org
http://www.usa-all.com/
http://www.u4wda.org/
"Paul Calman" <spam@trap.com> wrote in message
news:borhoc$1gorev$1@ID-87669.news.uni-berlin.de...
> "Kevin Sperle" <ksperle@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:RE9sb.215$Rn.27301@news.uswest.net...
> > How come the people that want to close the trails always seem more
> organized
> > than those of us that want to keep them open?
> > Makes me wonder if I've done my part?
>
> Here in Calaveras County we have gathered evidence of the lies told by
those
> against any off-road use of our forest, and show up at public meetings
with
> Forestry to stand our ground.
> Activism is the only thing that will keep us from being closed out of our
> public lands by SUV driving greens .
> If you think that you are not doing your part, it is time to either do
> something, or find a new hobby.
> --
> Paul Calman, Hathaway Pines, California
>
>
11-11-2003, 04:25 PM
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Re: Moab Trail closures
Good for you Paul. I know I missed a meeting a couple weeks ago about one
of our best areas (21 rd. in Fruita, CO). Unfortunately there was no way I
could go to the meeting (out of town), but I didn't call or write either.
So if they close it, I can't point any fingers.
I sincerily encourage averyone who is not active in land use isssues to take
notice.
Moab has a very active off-roading community and this one apparently flew
under the radar. If it can happen there... it can happen anywhere.
I don't think I've done enough.... although I have been a good ambassador
for 4x4ing when possible, and helped clean up trails when possible... I'm
taking this as a wakeup call and gonna start trying to do more. I know I
can spare a little money/time to help these organizations.
Even if you don't care about what is happening in Moab. Be active in your
own area!
Info for those interested:
http://www.sharetrails.org
http://www.usa-all.com/
http://www.u4wda.org/
"Paul Calman" <spam@trap.com> wrote in message
news:borhoc$1gorev$1@ID-87669.news.uni-berlin.de...
> "Kevin Sperle" <ksperle@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:RE9sb.215$Rn.27301@news.uswest.net...
> > How come the people that want to close the trails always seem more
> organized
> > than those of us that want to keep them open?
> > Makes me wonder if I've done my part?
>
> Here in Calaveras County we have gathered evidence of the lies told by
those
> against any off-road use of our forest, and show up at public meetings
with
> Forestry to stand our ground.
> Activism is the only thing that will keep us from being closed out of our
> public lands by SUV driving greens .
> If you think that you are not doing your part, it is time to either do
> something, or find a new hobby.
> --
> Paul Calman, Hathaway Pines, California
>
>
of our best areas (21 rd. in Fruita, CO). Unfortunately there was no way I
could go to the meeting (out of town), but I didn't call or write either.
So if they close it, I can't point any fingers.
I sincerily encourage averyone who is not active in land use isssues to take
notice.
Moab has a very active off-roading community and this one apparently flew
under the radar. If it can happen there... it can happen anywhere.
I don't think I've done enough.... although I have been a good ambassador
for 4x4ing when possible, and helped clean up trails when possible... I'm
taking this as a wakeup call and gonna start trying to do more. I know I
can spare a little money/time to help these organizations.
Even if you don't care about what is happening in Moab. Be active in your
own area!
Info for those interested:
http://www.sharetrails.org
http://www.usa-all.com/
http://www.u4wda.org/
"Paul Calman" <spam@trap.com> wrote in message
news:borhoc$1gorev$1@ID-87669.news.uni-berlin.de...
> "Kevin Sperle" <ksperle@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:RE9sb.215$Rn.27301@news.uswest.net...
> > How come the people that want to close the trails always seem more
> organized
> > than those of us that want to keep them open?
> > Makes me wonder if I've done my part?
>
> Here in Calaveras County we have gathered evidence of the lies told by
those
> against any off-road use of our forest, and show up at public meetings
with
> Forestry to stand our ground.
> Activism is the only thing that will keep us from being closed out of our
> public lands by SUV driving greens .
> If you think that you are not doing your part, it is time to either do
> something, or find a new hobby.
> --
> Paul Calman, Hathaway Pines, California
>
>
11-11-2003, 06:11 PM
#20
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Re: Moab Trail closures
We have already lost that battle in the UK - there is practically nowhere to
wheel now ..
Fight for your rights - there will always be some vociferous old bastard who
wants to walk his damn dog and some young softheaded tree hugger who will
want to claim you are creating noise and damaging the environment...
Dave Milne, Scotland
"Paul Calman" <spam@trap.com> wrote in message
news:borhoc$1gorev$1@ID-87669.news.uni-berlin.de...
> "Kevin Sperle" <ksperle@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:RE9sb.215$Rn.27301@news.uswest.net...
> > How come the people that want to close the trails always seem more
> organized
> > than those of us that want to keep them open?
> > Makes me wonder if I've done my part?
>
> Here in Calaveras County we have gathered evidence of the lies told by
those
> against any off-road use of our forest, and show up at public meetings
with
> Forestry to stand our ground.
> Activism is the only thing that will keep us from being closed out of our
> public lands by SUV driving greens .
> If you think that you are not doing your part, it is time to either do
> something, or find a new hobby.
> --
> Paul Calman, Hathaway Pines, California
>
>
wheel now ..
Fight for your rights - there will always be some vociferous old bastard who
wants to walk his damn dog and some young softheaded tree hugger who will
want to claim you are creating noise and damaging the environment...
Dave Milne, Scotland
"Paul Calman" <spam@trap.com> wrote in message
news:borhoc$1gorev$1@ID-87669.news.uni-berlin.de...
> "Kevin Sperle" <ksperle@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:RE9sb.215$Rn.27301@news.uswest.net...
> > How come the people that want to close the trails always seem more
> organized
> > than those of us that want to keep them open?
> > Makes me wonder if I've done my part?
>
> Here in Calaveras County we have gathered evidence of the lies told by
those
> against any off-road use of our forest, and show up at public meetings
with
> Forestry to stand our ground.
> Activism is the only thing that will keep us from being closed out of our
> public lands by SUV driving greens .
> If you think that you are not doing your part, it is time to either do
> something, or find a new hobby.
> --
> Paul Calman, Hathaway Pines, California
>
>