Re: Mirror relocation nightmare......
 

Motorbike mirrors are DOT approved and as cheap as bicycle mirrors.

They look good on Steve's too.

Mike

Dana Rohleder wrote:
>
> That is something I had thought about - even bicycle mirrors. Although I
> assume they would have to be approved by the safety Nazis. I had even
> thought about sticking some metal camping mirrors on the windshield frame
> somewhere.
>
> --
> Dana
>
> "It's clearly a budget. It's got a lot of numbers in it." - G.W. Bush
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:3F2E6738.42771773@sympatico.ca...
> > A cheap set of Honda motorcycle mirrors will fit in the door hinge hole.
> >
> > You mileage may vary with the Honda brand, but a Honda dealer carries
> > mirrors that fit perfectly and don't vibrate.
> >
> > Steve Seppala from this group has them on his.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >

Re: Mirror relocation nightmare......
 

What does the factory paint look like UNDER the stock mirror bracket?
Does it need touchup?

TJim wrote:
> I removed my stock mirrors (why would I need two sets at the same time?) and
> sold them to a guy in Australia(!). That pretty much paid for my CJ
> mirrors. I like the way it looks and they are usable. You have to trade
> lower brackets so that both bracket ears bend up instead of the standard top
> up and bottom down. I drilled out the lowest hole in the bottom bracket and
> replaced the hinge bolt with a button head bolt of the same size and used
> that for positioning the mirror. I drilled and tapped 4-20 holes for the
> other three holes for each bracket. Sort of like this (if it makes any
> sense):
>
> o o
> -----
> O o ----------- Mirror
> -----
>
> You can see the installation here:
> http://www.delawareja.com/gallery/albuo16/IMG_0146
>
> TJim
> 98 TJ SE
> 90 SJ GW
>
>
> "Thomas W." <thomasOBVIOUS@rubicons.com> wrote in message
> news:3F2E655D.1020308@rubicons.com...
>
>>Did you take your stock TJ mirrors off of your doors? Any pix?
>>
>>TJim wrote:
>>
>>>I mounted CJ-style mirrors on my TJ windshield hinges. I like the way
>>
> it
>
>>>looks, they are actually usable as mirrors, and I don't have to keep
>>
> moving
>
>>>them back and forth when summer comes.
>>>TJim
>>>
>>>"Dana Rohleder" <boreal@charter.net> wrote in message
>>>news:virg9i2kqfhb67@corp.supernews.com...
>>>
>>>
>>>>I attempted to install my mirror relocation brackets today and after
>>>>breaking two T40 sockets with my impact wrench I aborted the plan. Some
>>>>pinheads at Jeep decided to use loose nuts on the back of the windshield
>>>>bracket bolts, so it is very difficult, but possible to keep a box
>>>
> wrench
>
>>>on
>>>
>>>
>>>>the nuts. However I could only get the Torx bolts to back out a few
>>>
> turns,
>
>>>>then they would freeze up, eventually breaking the Torx sockets, but
>>>>refusing to budge any further. So, with my last remaining socket, I
>>>>tightened them back down until I buy more sockets.....grrrrrr........
>>>>
>>>>First of all, why the hell doesn't Jeep mount the mirrors elsewhere to
>>>>facilitate removing the doors - a unique design feature?? They haven't
>>>>figured this out in 60 years??!!
>>>>
>>>>Second, the threads on the cursed bolts don't have a spec of rust on
>>>
> them,
>
>>>>but do have the factory paint on them. Is this what is hanging them up
>>>
> or
>
>>>is
>>>
>>>
>>>>there some evil design to these bolts that keeps the nuts from backing
>>>
> all
>
>>>>the way off?
>>>>
>>>>Third, how do I manage to get my box wrench on the nuts on the driver's
>>>
>>>side
>>>
>>>
>>>>with e-brake levers and wires all over the place. Am I going to have to
>>>>remove the whole dash to even get at these damn nuts??
>>>>
>>>>Fourth, since I have purchased these brackets, I have noted several
>>>
> people
>
>>>>mention that with the mirrors in the new location, you can hardly see
>>>
> out
>
>>>of
>>>
>>>
>>>>them. Should I just use these things as expensive paperweights and get
>>>>mirrors that mount on the empty door hinge? I didn't really want to put
>>>>another $100 into a pair of easily stolen mirrors, as well as adding
>>>
>>>another
>>>
>>>
>>>>step every time I want to go doorless.
>>>>
>>>>Suggestions??
>>>>--
>>>>Dana
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"It's clearly a budget. It's got a lot of numbers in it." - G.W. Bush
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>--
>>________________________________________________ ___________
>>tw
>>03 TJ Rubicon
>>01 XJ Sport
>>
>>There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
>>-- Dave Barry
>>
>>http://www.jeepn.org/members/html/twaldron.html
>>http://www.7slotgrille.com/jeepers/t...ron/index.html
>>(Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
>>________________________________________________ ___________
>>
>
>
>


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03 TJ Rubicon
01 XJ Sport

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Re: Mirror relocation nightmare......
 

Well, I solved the problem by buying a $6 generic replacement mirror and
attaching it to my roll bar where it meets the windshield frame with two
Velcro straps. Although the particular mirror I bought is a tad smaller than
I would like, at least I'm legal now. Thanks all!
--
Dana

"It's clearly a budget. It's got a lot of numbers in it." - G.W. Bush

Re: Mirror relocation nightmare......
 

J. C. Whitney has some Olympic 4x4 Products "Safari Mirrors" that look
interesting. Here's a link:

http://tinyurl.com/j08q

Earle

"Dana Rohleder" <boreal@charter.net> wrote in message
news:viu079t1igve02@corp.supernews.com...
> Well, I solved the problem by buying a $6 generic replacement mirror and
> attaching it to my roll bar where it meets the windshield frame with two
> Velcro straps. Although the particular mirror I bought is a tad smaller
than
> I would like, at least I'm legal now. Thanks all!
> --
> Dana
>
> "It's clearly a budget. It's got a lot of numbers in it." - G.W. Bush
>
>

Re: Mirror relocation nightmare......
 

www.sunperformance.com however, call Bob Suplee for the best pricing on them.

Its 5 minutes to move the mirrors back and forth from the mount to the hard doors (or
less if you dont drop any washers or springs).

I dont find on the TJ that they bounce around or anything. With the hard doors on it
is hard to see the passenger side - but unless they drive a TJ they probably dont
know that. Its on the rig and that makes you legal.



On 4 Aug 2003 06:14:20 -0700, lynnlopez@sa-weather.com (satxbiker) wrote:

>>Wow, just the question I was going to ask about. I got mixed messages
>>reading this thread. So is it worth it to buy the 'mirror movers' for
>>a TJ so you can remove the doors easier? Where do I get these 'mirror
>>movers' from? Once moved wouldn't it just be easy to leave them
>>there? Does anyone one know if TX requires a passenger side view
>>mirror? I was going to remove mine completely if I decide to move the
>>mirrors.
>>
>>
>>Thanks
>>
>>Lynn
>>03 TJ

Re: Mirror relocation nightmare......
 

Here is a cheap and easy solution for an outside mirror.
http://www.jeepit.com/ has a bracket for about $13.00 (includes
shipping) that fits into the top hinge after the door is removed. You
can buy a $10.00 mirror at any auto supply store that will attach
easily to the bracket. For about $25.00, you're in business. Works
great. A lot simpler then replacing the hinges.
John


On Sun, 3 Aug 2003 22:12:45 -0400, "Dana Rohleder"
<boreal@charter.net> wrote:

>I attempted to install my mirror relocation brackets today and after
>breaking two T40 sockets with my impact wrench I aborted the plan. Some
>pinheads at Jeep decided to use loose nuts on the back of the windshield
>bracket bolts, so it is very difficult, but possible to keep a box wrench on
>the nuts. However I could only get the Torx bolts to back out a few turns,
>then they would freeze up, eventually breaking the Torx sockets, but
>refusing to budge any further. So, with my last remaining socket, I
>tightened them back down until I buy more sockets.....grrrrrr........
>
>First of all, why the hell doesn't Jeep mount the mirrors elsewhere to
>facilitate removing the doors - a unique design feature?? They haven't
>figured this out in 60 years??!!
>
>Second, the threads on the cursed bolts don't have a spec of rust on them,
>but do have the factory paint on them. Is this what is hanging them up or is
>there some evil design to these bolts that keeps the nuts from backing all
>the way off?
>
>Third, how do I manage to get my box wrench on the nuts on the driver's side
>with e-brake levers and wires all over the place. Am I going to have to
>remove the whole dash to even get at these damn nuts??
>
>Fourth, since I have purchased these brackets, I have noted several people
>mention that with the mirrors in the new location, you can hardly see out of
>them. Should I just use these things as expensive paperweights and get
>mirrors that mount on the empty door hinge? I didn't really want to put
>another $100 into a pair of easily stolen mirrors, as well as adding another
>step every time I want to go doorless.
>
>Suggestions??
>--
>Dana
>
>
>"It's clearly a budget. It's got a lot of numbers in it." - G.W. Bush
>
>

Re: Mirror relocation nightmare......
 

Replacing *what* hinges?

<yobaby@wow.net> wrote in message
news:3f317736.10325812@news.bur.adelphia.net...
> Here is a cheap and easy solution for an outside mirror.
> http://www.jeepit.com/ has a bracket for about $13.00 (includes
> shipping) that fits into the top hinge after the door is removed. You
> can buy a $10.00 mirror at any auto supply store that will attach
> easily to the bracket. For about $25.00, you're in business. Works
> great. A lot simpler then replacing the hinges.
> John
>
>
> On Sun, 3 Aug 2003 22:12:45 -0400, "Dana Rohleder"
> <boreal@charter.net> wrote:
>
> >I attempted to install my mirror relocation brackets today and after
> >breaking two T40 sockets with my impact wrench I aborted the plan. Some
> >pinheads at Jeep decided to use loose nuts on the back of the windshield
> >bracket bolts, so it is very difficult, but possible to keep a box wrench
on
> >the nuts. However I could only get the Torx bolts to back out a few
turns,
> >then they would freeze up, eventually breaking the Torx sockets, but
> >refusing to budge any further. So, with my last remaining socket, I
> >tightened them back down until I buy more sockets.....grrrrrr........
> >
> >First of all, why the hell doesn't Jeep mount the mirrors elsewhere to
> >facilitate removing the doors - a unique design feature?? They haven't
> >figured this out in 60 years??!!
> >
> >Second, the threads on the cursed bolts don't have a spec of rust on
them,
> >but do have the factory paint on them. Is this what is hanging them up or
is
> >there some evil design to these bolts that keeps the nuts from backing
all
> >the way off?
> >
> >Third, how do I manage to get my box wrench on the nuts on the driver's
side
> >with e-brake levers and wires all over the place. Am I going to have to
> >remove the whole dash to even get at these damn nuts??
> >
> >Fourth, since I have purchased these brackets, I have noted several
people
> >mention that with the mirrors in the new location, you can hardly see out
of
> >them. Should I just use these things as expensive paperweights and get
> >mirrors that mount on the empty door hinge? I didn't really want to put
> >another $100 into a pair of easily stolen mirrors, as well as adding
another
> >step every time I want to go doorless.
> >
> >Suggestions??
> >--
> >Dana
> >
> >
> >"It's clearly a budget. It's got a lot of numbers in it." - G.W. Bush
> >
> >
>

Re: Mirror relocation nightmare......
 

Windshield / upper door hinges. CJ style mirrors mount to these. They are
a pain in the neck to replace, but you get bragging rights once you have
done a set. ;o)

Earle

"TJim" <jim@ranlet.nospam.com> wrote in message
news:MUmdnW7CLMzZJayiXTWJlg@comcast.com...
> Replacing *what* hinges?
>
> <yobaby@wow.net> wrote in message
> news:3f317736.10325812@news.bur.adelphia.net...
> > Here is a cheap and easy solution for an outside mirror.
> > http://www.jeepit.com/ has a bracket for about $13.00 (includes
> > shipping) that fits into the top hinge after the door is removed. You
> > can buy a $10.00 mirror at any auto supply store that will attach
> > easily to the bracket. For about $25.00, you're in business. Works
> > great. A lot simpler then replacing the hinges.
> > John
> >
> >
> > On Sun, 3 Aug 2003 22:12:45 -0400, "Dana Rohleder"
> > <boreal@charter.net> wrote:
> >
> > >I attempted to install my mirror relocation brackets today and after
> > >breaking two T40 sockets with my impact wrench I aborted the plan. Some
> > >pinheads at Jeep decided to use loose nuts on the back of the
windshield
> > >bracket bolts, so it is very difficult, but possible to keep a box
wrench
> on
> > >the nuts. However I could only get the Torx bolts to back out a few
> turns,
> > >then they would freeze up, eventually breaking the Torx sockets, but
> > >refusing to budge any further. So, with my last remaining socket, I
> > >tightened them back down until I buy more sockets.....grrrrrr........
> > >
> > >First of all, why the hell doesn't Jeep mount the mirrors elsewhere to
> > >facilitate removing the doors - a unique design feature?? They haven't
> > >figured this out in 60 years??!!
> > >
> > >Second, the threads on the cursed bolts don't have a spec of rust on
> them,
> > >but do have the factory paint on them. Is this what is hanging them up
or
> is
> > >there some evil design to these bolts that keeps the nuts from backing
> all
> > >the way off?
> > >
> > >Third, how do I manage to get my box wrench on the nuts on the driver's
> side
> > >with e-brake levers and wires all over the place. Am I going to have to
> > >remove the whole dash to even get at these damn nuts??
> > >
> > >Fourth, since I have purchased these brackets, I have noted several
> people
> > >mention that with the mirrors in the new location, you can hardly see
out
> of
> > >them. Should I just use these things as expensive paperweights and get
> > >mirrors that mount on the empty door hinge? I didn't really want to put
> > >another $100 into a pair of easily stolen mirrors, as well as adding
> another
> > >step every time I want to go doorless.
> > >
> > >Suggestions??
> > >--
> > >Dana
> > >
> > >
> > >"It's clearly a budget. It's got a lot of numbers in it." - G.W. Bush
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>

Re: Mirror relocation nightmare......
 

Oh, Jeez! I would *hate* to have to replace one of those, especially on an
older Jeep! Every post I have seen regarding hinge removal has been a
desperate plea for help. If you want to use CJ style mirrors, drill and tap
the hinges. It's easier.
http://www.delawareja.com/gallery/albuo16/IMG_0146
TJim
98 TJ SE
90 SJ GW

"Earle Horton" <enfermero_diabolico@registerednurses.com> wrote in message
news:bgtksv$rrsg7$1@ID-147790.news.uni-berlin.de...
> Windshield / upper door hinges. CJ style mirrors mount to these. They
are
> a pain in the neck to replace, but you get bragging rights once you have
> done a set. ;o)
>
> Earle
>
> "TJim" <jim@ranlet.nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:MUmdnW7CLMzZJayiXTWJlg@comcast.com...
> > Replacing *what* hinges?
> >
> > <yobaby@wow.net> wrote in message
> > news:3f317736.10325812@news.bur.adelphia.net...
> > > Here is a cheap and easy solution for an outside mirror.
> > > http://www.jeepit.com/ has a bracket for about $13.00 (includes
> > > shipping) that fits into the top hinge after the door is removed. You
> > > can buy a $10.00 mirror at any auto supply store that will attach
> > > easily to the bracket. For about $25.00, you're in business. Works
> > > great. A lot simpler then replacing the hinges.
> > > John
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sun, 3 Aug 2003 22:12:45 -0400, "Dana Rohleder"
> > > <boreal@charter.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > >I attempted to install my mirror relocation brackets today and after
> > > >breaking two T40 sockets with my impact wrench I aborted the plan.
Some
> > > >pinheads at Jeep decided to use loose nuts on the back of the
> windshield
> > > >bracket bolts, so it is very difficult, but possible to keep a box
> wrench
> > on
> > > >the nuts. However I could only get the Torx bolts to back out a few
> > turns,
> > > >then they would freeze up, eventually breaking the Torx sockets, but
> > > >refusing to budge any further. So, with my last remaining socket, I
> > > >tightened them back down until I buy more sockets.....grrrrrr........
> > > >
> > > >First of all, why the hell doesn't Jeep mount the mirrors elsewhere
to
> > > >facilitate removing the doors - a unique design feature?? They
haven't
> > > >figured this out in 60 years??!!
> > > >
> > > >Second, the threads on the cursed bolts don't have a spec of rust on
> > them,
> > > >but do have the factory paint on them. Is this what is hanging them
up
> or
> > is
> > > >there some evil design to these bolts that keeps the nuts from
backing
> > all
> > > >the way off?
> > > >
> > > >Third, how do I manage to get my box wrench on the nuts on the
driver's
> > side
> > > >with e-brake levers and wires all over the place. Am I going to have
to
> > > >remove the whole dash to even get at these damn nuts??
> > > >
> > > >Fourth, since I have purchased these brackets, I have noted several
> > people
> > > >mention that with the mirrors in the new location, you can hardly see
> out
> > of
> > > >them. Should I just use these things as expensive paperweights and
get
> > > >mirrors that mount on the empty door hinge? I didn't really want to
put
> > > >another $100 into a pair of easily stolen mirrors, as well as adding
> > another
> > > >step every time I want to go doorless.
> > > >
> > > >Suggestions??
> > > >--
> > > >Dana
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >"It's clearly a budget. It's got a lot of numbers in it." - G.W.
Bush
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

Re: Mirror relocation nightmare......
 

ok I dont know if I got lucky or not. I have a '00 TJ and I have put on Sun
Performances light mount and Mirror relcation brackets on my Jeep and I did not
have a problem with removing any of my bolts.
Scott
'00 TJ