Mirror relocation nightmare......
 

I attempted to install my mirror relocation brackets today and after
breaking two T40 sockets with my impact wrench I aborted the plan. Some
pinheads at Jeep decided to use loose nuts on the back of the windshield
bracket bolts, so it is very difficult, but possible to keep a box wrench on
the nuts. However I could only get the Torx bolts to back out a few turns,
then they would freeze up, eventually breaking the Torx sockets, but
refusing to budge any further. So, with my last remaining socket, I
tightened them back down until I buy more sockets.....grrrrrr........

First of all, why the hell doesn't Jeep mount the mirrors elsewhere to
facilitate removing the doors - a unique design feature?? They haven't
figured this out in 60 years??!!

Second, the threads on the cursed bolts don't have a spec of rust on them,
but do have the factory paint on them. Is this what is hanging them up or is
there some evil design to these bolts that keeps the nuts from backing all
the way off?

Third, how do I manage to get my box wrench on the nuts on the driver's side
with e-brake levers and wires all over the place. Am I going to have to
remove the whole dash to even get at these damn nuts??

Fourth, since I have purchased these brackets, I have noted several people
mention that with the mirrors in the new location, you can hardly see out of
them. Should I just use these things as expensive paperweights and get
mirrors that mount on the empty door hinge? I didn't really want to put
another $100 into a pair of easily stolen mirrors, as well as adding another
step every time I want to go doorless.

Suggestions??
--
Dana


"It's clearly a budget. It's got a lot of numbers in it." - G.W. Bush

Re: Mirror relocation nightmare......
 

I have been there. The answer is paper weights. If you do get the mirrors
on they vibrate so much it's like an acid flash back. If you are real
clever buy some CJ7 mirror brackets and drill and tap your existing hinges
to install them. I wish I had done that. If you do decide to go ahead with
this insanity get some "CJ Aluminum Mirror Bushings" from
http://www.gemini-sales.com

There is a "gestalt" to this exercise. Believe it or not, the second time I
took off my windshield hinges (to replace the bolts with stainless hex head)
it was easy!

Earle

"Dana Rohleder" <boreal@charter.net> wrote in message
news:virg9i2kqfhb67@corp.supernews.com...
> I attempted to install my mirror relocation brackets today and after
> breaking two T40 sockets with my impact wrench I aborted the plan. Some
> pinheads at Jeep decided to use loose nuts on the back of the windshield
> bracket bolts, so it is very difficult, but possible to keep a box wrench
on
> the nuts. However I could only get the Torx bolts to back out a few turns,
> then they would freeze up, eventually breaking the Torx sockets, but
> refusing to budge any further. So, with my last remaining socket, I
> tightened them back down until I buy more sockets.....grrrrrr........
>
> First of all, why the hell doesn't Jeep mount the mirrors elsewhere to
> facilitate removing the doors - a unique design feature?? They haven't
> figured this out in 60 years??!!
>
> Second, the threads on the cursed bolts don't have a spec of rust on them,
> but do have the factory paint on them. Is this what is hanging them up or
is
> there some evil design to these bolts that keeps the nuts from backing all
> the way off?
>
> Third, how do I manage to get my box wrench on the nuts on the driver's
side
> with e-brake levers and wires all over the place. Am I going to have to
> remove the whole dash to even get at these damn nuts??
>
> Fourth, since I have purchased these brackets, I have noted several people
> mention that with the mirrors in the new location, you can hardly see out
of
> them. Should I just use these things as expensive paperweights and get
> mirrors that mount on the empty door hinge? I didn't really want to put
> another $100 into a pair of easily stolen mirrors, as well as adding
another
> step every time I want to go doorless.
>
> Suggestions??
> --
> Dana
>
>
> "It's clearly a budget. It's got a lot of numbers in it." - G.W. Bush
>
>

Re: Mirror relocation nightmare......
 

Assuming its a TJ, its only the passenger side that is hard to see out of, and only
when you are running doors (IMO).

Some idiot at the factory deemed that the proper thing to use on the windsheild hinge
bolts (TJ's at any rate) was BLUE locktite.

Yes the fact that they paint over the bolts is part of the problem also.

Good luck. I made the dealer break the bolts loose for me (impact wrench), and then
went home and took them out and put the mirror movers on. Oh yes, and you might want
to consider replacing the torx bolts with regular bolts to make it easier if you need
to take the mirror movers on or off later on.



On Sun, 3 Aug 2003 22:12:45 -0400, "Dana Rohleder" <boreal@charter.net> wrote:

>>I attempted to install my mirror relocation brackets today and after
>>breaking two T40 sockets with my impact wrench I aborted the plan. Some
>>pinheads at Jeep decided to use loose nuts on the back of the windshield
>>bracket bolts, so it is very difficult, but possible to keep a box wrench on
>>the nuts. However I could only get the Torx bolts to back out a few turns,
>>then they would freeze up, eventually breaking the Torx sockets, but
>>refusing to budge any further. So, with my last remaining socket, I
>>tightened them back down until I buy more sockets.....grrrrrr........
>>
>>First of all, why the hell doesn't Jeep mount the mirrors elsewhere to
>>facilitate removing the doors - a unique design feature?? They haven't
>>figured this out in 60 years??!!
>>
>>Second, the threads on the cursed bolts don't have a spec of rust on them,
>>but do have the factory paint on them. Is this what is hanging them up or is
>>there some evil design to these bolts that keeps the nuts from backing all
>>the way off?
>>
>>Third, how do I manage to get my box wrench on the nuts on the driver's side
>>with e-brake levers and wires all over the place. Am I going to have to
>>remove the whole dash to even get at these damn nuts??
>>
>>Fourth, since I have purchased these brackets, I have noted several people
>>mention that with the mirrors in the new location, you can hardly see out of
>>them. Should I just use these things as expensive paperweights and get
>>mirrors that mount on the empty door hinge? I didn't really want to put
>>another $100 into a pair of easily stolen mirrors, as well as adding another
>>step every time I want to go doorless.
>>
>>Suggestions??

Re: Mirror relocation nightmare......
 

Hi Dana,
Sixties years ago the Jeep was designed with utility in mind, see
the mirrors are on truck like adjustable bracket that mount securely to
the windshield folding mounts:
http://www.jeep.com/jeep_life/legend...g/cj7_main.jpg
It wasn't until your Chrysler Daimler came along that they turned it
into a Jeepette and screwed it all up.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Dana Rohleder wrote:
>
> I attempted to install my mirror relocation brackets today and after
> breaking two T40 sockets with my impact wrench I aborted the plan. Some
> pinheads at Jeep decided to use loose nuts on the back of the windshield
> bracket bolts, so it is very difficult, but possible to keep a box wrench on
> the nuts. However I could only get the Torx bolts to back out a few turns,
> then they would freeze up, eventually breaking the Torx sockets, but
> refusing to budge any further. So, with my last remaining socket, I
> tightened them back down until I buy more sockets.....grrrrrr........
>
> First of all, why the hell doesn't Jeep mount the mirrors elsewhere to
> facilitate removing the doors - a unique design feature?? They haven't
> figured this out in 60 years??!!
>
> Second, the threads on the cursed bolts don't have a spec of rust on them,
> but do have the factory paint on them. Is this what is hanging them up or is
> there some evil design to these bolts that keeps the nuts from backing all
> the way off?
>
> Third, how do I manage to get my box wrench on the nuts on the driver's side
> with e-brake levers and wires all over the place. Am I going to have to
> remove the whole dash to even get at these damn nuts??
>
> Fourth, since I have purchased these brackets, I have noted several people
> mention that with the mirrors in the new location, you can hardly see out of
> them. Should I just use these things as expensive paperweights and get
> mirrors that mount on the empty door hinge? I didn't really want to put
> another $100 into a pair of easily stolen mirrors, as well as adding another
> step every time I want to go doorless.
>
> Suggestions??
> --
> Dana
>
> "It's clearly a budget. It's got a lot of numbers in it." - G.W. Bush

Re: Mirror relocation nightmare......
 

I drilled mine out and then put new bolts in. I know on the CJ the bolts
are way up there but you can get at 'em. It just takes a few hours. I hope
you bought sockets with a lifetime warranty, I ran 4 Canadian Tire Stores
dry of those sockets in a weekend when I was removing all the bolts and my
roll bar. I'd bust it or twist the bit and then just bring it back and they
would replace it. They never even asked about the 3 foot breaker bar......


"Dana Rohleder" <boreal@charter.net> wrote in message
news:virg9i2kqfhb67@corp.supernews.com...
> I attempted to install my mirror relocation brackets today and after
> breaking two T40 sockets with my impact wrench I aborted the plan. Some
> pinheads at Jeep decided to use loose nuts on the back of the windshield
> bracket bolts, so it is very difficult, but possible to keep a box wrench
on
> the nuts. However I could only get the Torx bolts to back out a few turns,
> then they would freeze up, eventually breaking the Torx sockets, but
> refusing to budge any further. So, with my last remaining socket, I
> tightened them back down until I buy more sockets.....grrrrrr........
>
> First of all, why the hell doesn't Jeep mount the mirrors elsewhere to
> facilitate removing the doors - a unique design feature?? They haven't
> figured this out in 60 years??!!
>
> Second, the threads on the cursed bolts don't have a spec of rust on them,
> but do have the factory paint on them. Is this what is hanging them up or
is
> there some evil design to these bolts that keeps the nuts from backing all
> the way off?
>
> Third, how do I manage to get my box wrench on the nuts on the driver's
side
> with e-brake levers and wires all over the place. Am I going to have to
> remove the whole dash to even get at these damn nuts??
>
> Fourth, since I have purchased these brackets, I have noted several people
> mention that with the mirrors in the new location, you can hardly see out
of
> them. Should I just use these things as expensive paperweights and get
> mirrors that mount on the empty door hinge? I didn't really want to put
> another $100 into a pair of easily stolen mirrors, as well as adding
another
> step every time I want to go doorless.
>
> Suggestions??
> --
> Dana
>
>
> "It's clearly a budget. It's got a lot of numbers in it." - G.W. Bush
>
>

Re: Mirror relocation nightmare......
 

"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
news:3F2DCE27.E3086E85@cox.net...
> Hi Dana,
> Sixties years ago the Jeep was designed with utility in mind, see
> the mirrors are on truck like adjustable bracket that mount securely to
> the windshield folding mounts:
>
http://www.jeep.com/jeep_life/legend...g/cj7_main.jpg
> It wasn't until your Chrysler Daimler came along that they turned it
> into a Jeepette and screwed it all up.

Ahh - I should have known - progress............


--
Dana


"It's clearly a budget. It's got a lot of numbers in it." - G.W. Bush

Re: Mirror relocation nightmare......
 

I mounted CJ-style mirrors on my TJ windshield hinges. I like the way it
looks, they are actually usable as mirrors, and I don't have to keep moving
them back and forth when summer comes.
TJim

"Dana Rohleder" <boreal@charter.net> wrote in message
news:virg9i2kqfhb67@corp.supernews.com...
> I attempted to install my mirror relocation brackets today and after
> breaking two T40 sockets with my impact wrench I aborted the plan. Some
> pinheads at Jeep decided to use loose nuts on the back of the windshield
> bracket bolts, so it is very difficult, but possible to keep a box wrench
on
> the nuts. However I could only get the Torx bolts to back out a few turns,
> then they would freeze up, eventually breaking the Torx sockets, but
> refusing to budge any further. So, with my last remaining socket, I
> tightened them back down until I buy more sockets.....grrrrrr........
>
> First of all, why the hell doesn't Jeep mount the mirrors elsewhere to
> facilitate removing the doors - a unique design feature?? They haven't
> figured this out in 60 years??!!
>
> Second, the threads on the cursed bolts don't have a spec of rust on them,
> but do have the factory paint on them. Is this what is hanging them up or
is
> there some evil design to these bolts that keeps the nuts from backing all
> the way off?
>
> Third, how do I manage to get my box wrench on the nuts on the driver's
side
> with e-brake levers and wires all over the place. Am I going to have to
> remove the whole dash to even get at these damn nuts??
>
> Fourth, since I have purchased these brackets, I have noted several people
> mention that with the mirrors in the new location, you can hardly see out
of
> them. Should I just use these things as expensive paperweights and get
> mirrors that mount on the empty door hinge? I didn't really want to put
> another $100 into a pair of easily stolen mirrors, as well as adding
another
> step every time I want to go doorless.
>
> Suggestions??
> --
> Dana
>
>
> "It's clearly a budget. It's got a lot of numbers in it." - G.W. Bush
>
>

Re: Mirror relocation nightmare......
 

Did you take your stock TJ mirrors off of your doors? Any pix?

TJim wrote:
> I mounted CJ-style mirrors on my TJ windshield hinges. I like the way it
> looks, they are actually usable as mirrors, and I don't have to keep moving
> them back and forth when summer comes.
> TJim
>
> "Dana Rohleder" <boreal@charter.net> wrote in message
> news:virg9i2kqfhb67@corp.supernews.com...
>
>>I attempted to install my mirror relocation brackets today and after
>>breaking two T40 sockets with my impact wrench I aborted the plan. Some
>>pinheads at Jeep decided to use loose nuts on the back of the windshield
>>bracket bolts, so it is very difficult, but possible to keep a box wrench
>
> on
>
>>the nuts. However I could only get the Torx bolts to back out a few turns,
>>then they would freeze up, eventually breaking the Torx sockets, but
>>refusing to budge any further. So, with my last remaining socket, I
>>tightened them back down until I buy more sockets.....grrrrrr........
>>
>>First of all, why the hell doesn't Jeep mount the mirrors elsewhere to
>>facilitate removing the doors - a unique design feature?? They haven't
>>figured this out in 60 years??!!
>>
>>Second, the threads on the cursed bolts don't have a spec of rust on them,
>>but do have the factory paint on them. Is this what is hanging them up or
>
> is
>
>>there some evil design to these bolts that keeps the nuts from backing all
>>the way off?
>>
>>Third, how do I manage to get my box wrench on the nuts on the driver's
>
> side
>
>>with e-brake levers and wires all over the place. Am I going to have to
>>remove the whole dash to even get at these damn nuts??
>>
>>Fourth, since I have purchased these brackets, I have noted several people
>>mention that with the mirrors in the new location, you can hardly see out
>
> of
>
>>them. Should I just use these things as expensive paperweights and get
>>mirrors that mount on the empty door hinge? I didn't really want to put
>>another $100 into a pair of easily stolen mirrors, as well as adding
>
> another
>
>>step every time I want to go doorless.
>>
>>Suggestions??
>>--
>>Dana
>>
>>
>>"It's clearly a budget. It's got a lot of numbers in it." - G.W. Bush
>>
>>
>
>
>


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Re: Mirror relocation nightmare......
 

A cheap set of Honda motorcycle mirrors will fit in the door hinge hole.

You mileage may vary with the Honda brand, but a Honda dealer carries
mirrors that fit perfectly and don't vibrate.

Steve Seppala from this group has them on his.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Dana Rohleder wrote:
>
> I attempted to install my mirror relocation brackets today and after
> breaking two T40 sockets with my impact wrench I aborted the plan. Some
> pinheads at Jeep decided to use loose nuts on the back of the windshield
> bracket bolts, so it is very difficult, but possible to keep a box wrench on
> the nuts. However I could only get the Torx bolts to back out a few turns,
> then they would freeze up, eventually breaking the Torx sockets, but
> refusing to budge any further. So, with my last remaining socket, I
> tightened them back down until I buy more sockets.....grrrrrr........
>
> First of all, why the hell doesn't Jeep mount the mirrors elsewhere to
> facilitate removing the doors - a unique design feature?? They haven't
> figured this out in 60 years??!!
>
> Second, the threads on the cursed bolts don't have a spec of rust on them,
> but do have the factory paint on them. Is this what is hanging them up or is
> there some evil design to these bolts that keeps the nuts from backing all
> the way off?
>
> Third, how do I manage to get my box wrench on the nuts on the driver's side
> with e-brake levers and wires all over the place. Am I going to have to
> remove the whole dash to even get at these damn nuts??
>
> Fourth, since I have purchased these brackets, I have noted several people
> mention that with the mirrors in the new location, you can hardly see out of
> them. Should I just use these things as expensive paperweights and get
> mirrors that mount on the empty door hinge? I didn't really want to put
> another $100 into a pair of easily stolen mirrors, as well as adding another
> step every time I want to go doorless.
>
> Suggestions??
> --
> Dana
>
> "It's clearly a budget. It's got a lot of numbers in it." - G.W. Bush

Re: Mirror relocation nightmare......
 

That is something I had thought about - even bicycle mirrors. Although I
assume they would have to be approved by the safety Nazis. I had even
thought about sticking some metal camping mirrors on the windshield frame
somewhere.

--
Dana


"It's clearly a budget. It's got a lot of numbers in it." - G.W. Bush

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:3F2E6738.42771773@sympatico.ca...
> A cheap set of Honda motorcycle mirrors will fit in the door hinge hole.
>
> You mileage may vary with the Honda brand, but a Honda dealer carries
> mirrors that fit perfectly and don't vibrate.
>
> Steve Seppala from this group has them on his.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>