Monroe

Tried out some Nokkian Vatiiva's last year. Incredible all-season
tires. From hot, dry roads, heavy rains through cold icy/snowy winter
conditions these tires performed well. On top of it, the several km's
of gravel each day don't seem to be wearing these like some of the
other agressive tires that I've used in the past. Not all that noisy
(they don't appear terribly aggressive, but grip like hell). Any not
terribly expensive.

On Sun, 18 Jun 2006 13:24:54 -0400, "James" <jnipperxxx@nospamfdn.com>
wrote:

>
>
>I have a 2000 Jeep Grand Cherokee, with Michelin Radial X, Cross Terrain
>SUV tires. They have been great tires for me. On a prior 1988 Jeep
>Cherokee, I had the Michelin XC LT4, and they did well too, but I think
>they were a bit louder on the road. My tire size is 245/ 70 / R 16.
>
>Although I do drive some off road, including mountain gravel roads and some
>winter driving on snow and ice, 90 % of my driving is on the road. I am
>looking for a fairly-quiet tire, with good traction on wet roads, snow, and
>ice. As far as snow and ice are concerned, if things get too bad on the
>steep mountain road we use when at our vacation cabin in the winter, I put
>on snow chains.
>
>I am leaning toward getting the same tire, which is the Michelin Radial X,
>Cross Terrain SUV tires. But, my son is urging me to get the BFG AT
>K/O tires. Yes, they are ruggged and I like their looks, but I wonder
>how quiet they would be on my 2000 JGC ??
>
>
>Could any of you compare these two specific tires, and comment on the road
>noise factor of these two tires ?
>
>Thanks for any comments !!!
>
>
>--James--
>

--

Monroe

L.W.(Bill) Hughes III

Hi Bill,
I'm not lying to you, the BFGoodrich AT KO makes no noise at all.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
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billy ray wrote:
>
> James,
>
> What you are comparing are highway and all terrain tires. Quiet on-road
> manners and off road aggressiveness are on opposite ends of the tire
> spectrum.
>
> You will find plenty of Jeepers who think the AT/KO are a good all around
> tires and it is certainly true but they are substantially noisier and
> harsher riding than the Michelins you are used to.
>
> As you think the Michelins are great tires I would lean towards that for
> you.
>
> FWIW: I have Kumho Venture AT-825s and they do well for me on and off road
> although there are times I wish they were quieter...

L.W.(Bill) Hughes III

Hi Bill,
I'm not lying to you, the BFGoodrich AT KO makes no noise at all.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

billy ray wrote:
>
> James,
>
> What you are comparing are highway and all terrain tires. Quiet on-road
> manners and off road aggressiveness are on opposite ends of the tire
> spectrum.
>
> You will find plenty of Jeepers who think the AT/KO are a good all around
> tires and it is certainly true but they are substantially noisier and
> harsher riding than the Michelins you are used to.
>
> As you think the Michelins are great tires I would lean towards that for
> you.
>
> FWIW: I have Kumho Venture AT-825s and they do well for me on and off road
> although there are times I wish they were quieter...

L.W.(Bill) Hughes III

Hi Bill,
I'm not lying to you, the BFGoodrich AT KO makes no noise at all.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

billy ray wrote:
>
> James,
>
> What you are comparing are highway and all terrain tires. Quiet on-road
> manners and off road aggressiveness are on opposite ends of the tire
> spectrum.
>
> You will find plenty of Jeepers who think the AT/KO are a good all around
> tires and it is certainly true but they are substantially noisier and
> harsher riding than the Michelins you are used to.
>
> As you think the Michelins are great tires I would lean towards that for
> you.
>
> FWIW: I have Kumho Venture AT-825s and they do well for me on and off road
> although there are times I wish they were quieter...

Jeff Olsen

Howard wrote:
> I have the Michelin XC LT4 on my 97 Grand Cherokee. My son has the BFG
> AT KO on his 95 Grand Cherokee. My Jeep rumbles, his HOWLS! ATs may
> be great tires but they are very noisy.

What?! BFG AT's don't howl. Not even close. You'll pick up a little
noise vs. a street tire, but they hardly howl.

-jeff

Jeff Olsen

Howard wrote:
> I have the Michelin XC LT4 on my 97 Grand Cherokee. My son has the BFG
> AT KO on his 95 Grand Cherokee. My Jeep rumbles, his HOWLS! ATs may
> be great tires but they are very noisy.

What?! BFG AT's don't howl. Not even close. You'll pick up a little
noise vs. a street tire, but they hardly howl.

-jeff

Jeff Olsen

Howard wrote:
> I have the Michelin XC LT4 on my 97 Grand Cherokee. My son has the BFG
> AT KO on his 95 Grand Cherokee. My Jeep rumbles, his HOWLS! ATs may
> be great tires but they are very noisy.

What?! BFG AT's don't howl. Not even close. You'll pick up a little
noise vs. a street tire, but they hardly howl.

-jeff

Jeff Olsen

James wrote:
> Thanks for the comments Bill. I do have a great interest in these tires,
> but some folks have said they are noisy on the road, and of course they ARE
> an aggressvie tread. Yet, you indicate no excessive noise from them.
>
> I would like more comments from those who have used them.
> --James--

OK, here's some more specific info than my earlier "they don't howl"
post <g>!

I've used them on three different vehicles. A '97 Wrangler, a '95 Land
Cruiser, and an '06 Tundra. On the Cruiser, they replaced Michelin
AT's of some sort, pretty much a street tire from the looks of them.
On the TJ and the Tundra, they replaced wimpy street tires. In each
case, the BFG AT's were noticably noisier than the street tires, and
rode stiffer too. But it was in the neighborhood of, just off the
cuff, of maybe a 20% difference at most. This would be much more of an
issue on some vehicles than others, I suppose. On noisier vehicles it
would hardly matter at all.

But you have to think of what you gain with the BFG's and decide if
they are worth it. They are very sturdy, and that can matter; I broke
one of the Michelins on the Cruiser on sharp gravel for example. They
have that snowflake on them that means they qualify as a traction
device and they deserve it; they do GREAT on snow, packed snow, and
ice. Their mud traction is decent- better than a pure street tread
but not in the league of the MT or MT/R. They excell on rocks and
hardpan. They last a long time and people rarely report problems with
them.

-jeff

Jeff Olsen

James wrote:
> Thanks for the comments Bill. I do have a great interest in these tires,
> but some folks have said they are noisy on the road, and of course they ARE
> an aggressvie tread. Yet, you indicate no excessive noise from them.
>
> I would like more comments from those who have used them.
> --James--

OK, here's some more specific info than my earlier "they don't howl"
post <g>!

I've used them on three different vehicles. A '97 Wrangler, a '95 Land
Cruiser, and an '06 Tundra. On the Cruiser, they replaced Michelin
AT's of some sort, pretty much a street tire from the looks of them.
On the TJ and the Tundra, they replaced wimpy street tires. In each
case, the BFG AT's were noticably noisier than the street tires, and
rode stiffer too. But it was in the neighborhood of, just off the
cuff, of maybe a 20% difference at most. This would be much more of an
issue on some vehicles than others, I suppose. On noisier vehicles it
would hardly matter at all.

But you have to think of what you gain with the BFG's and decide if
they are worth it. They are very sturdy, and that can matter; I broke
one of the Michelins on the Cruiser on sharp gravel for example. They
have that snowflake on them that means they qualify as a traction
device and they deserve it; they do GREAT on snow, packed snow, and
ice. Their mud traction is decent- better than a pure street tread
but not in the league of the MT or MT/R. They excell on rocks and
hardpan. They last a long time and people rarely report problems with
them.

-jeff

Jeff Olsen

James wrote:
> Thanks for the comments Bill. I do have a great interest in these tires,
> but some folks have said they are noisy on the road, and of course they ARE
> an aggressvie tread. Yet, you indicate no excessive noise from them.
>
> I would like more comments from those who have used them.
> --James--

OK, here's some more specific info than my earlier "they don't howl"
post <g>!

I've used them on three different vehicles. A '97 Wrangler, a '95 Land
Cruiser, and an '06 Tundra. On the Cruiser, they replaced Michelin
AT's of some sort, pretty much a street tire from the looks of them.
On the TJ and the Tundra, they replaced wimpy street tires. In each
case, the BFG AT's were noticably noisier than the street tires, and
rode stiffer too. But it was in the neighborhood of, just off the
cuff, of maybe a 20% difference at most. This would be much more of an
issue on some vehicles than others, I suppose. On noisier vehicles it
would hardly matter at all.

But you have to think of what you gain with the BFG's and decide if
they are worth it. They are very sturdy, and that can matter; I broke
one of the Michelins on the Cruiser on sharp gravel for example. They
have that snowflake on them that means they qualify as a traction
device and they deserve it; they do GREAT on snow, packed snow, and
ice. Their mud traction is decent- better than a pure street tread
but not in the league of the MT or MT/R. They excell on rocks and
hardpan. They last a long time and people rarely report problems with
them.

-jeff