M151 revamped? Is it a Real Jeep?
01-03-2006, 11:17 AM
#21
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Re: M151 revamped? Is it a Real Jeep?
L. Ron Waddle wrote:
> L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
>
>> Nope. And if they attempt to call it one, Daimler's ***** would be
>> on them faster than flies on stink.
>
>
> Use of the word "jeep" to describe a small four-wheel-drive general
> purpose military vehicle far predates any Daimler trademarks and indeed
> predates the use of the word to describe the civilian ****** product
> sold in the post WWII era.
As military slang it predates WWII.
> In other words, if DC attempts to sue over using the word "jeep" to
> describe a small four-wheel-drive general purpose military vehicle, they
> will *lose*.
In the real world, the loser is the one who runs out of money first.
Just because they would eventually lose doesn't mean that they can't
make an example of you and sue you into penury first.
> L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
>
>> Nope. And if they attempt to call it one, Daimler's ***** would be
>> on them faster than flies on stink.
>
>
> Use of the word "jeep" to describe a small four-wheel-drive general
> purpose military vehicle far predates any Daimler trademarks and indeed
> predates the use of the word to describe the civilian ****** product
> sold in the post WWII era.
As military slang it predates WWII.
> In other words, if DC attempts to sue over using the word "jeep" to
> describe a small four-wheel-drive general purpose military vehicle, they
> will *lose*.
In the real world, the loser is the one who runs out of money first.
Just because they would eventually lose doesn't mean that they can't
make an example of you and sue you into penury first.
01-03-2006, 11:17 AM
#22
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Re: M151 revamped? Is it a Real Jeep?
L. Ron Waddle wrote:
> L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
>
>> Nope. And if they attempt to call it one, Daimler's ***** would be
>> on them faster than flies on stink.
>
>
> Use of the word "jeep" to describe a small four-wheel-drive general
> purpose military vehicle far predates any Daimler trademarks and indeed
> predates the use of the word to describe the civilian ****** product
> sold in the post WWII era.
As military slang it predates WWII.
> In other words, if DC attempts to sue over using the word "jeep" to
> describe a small four-wheel-drive general purpose military vehicle, they
> will *lose*.
In the real world, the loser is the one who runs out of money first.
Just because they would eventually lose doesn't mean that they can't
make an example of you and sue you into penury first.
> L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
>
>> Nope. And if they attempt to call it one, Daimler's ***** would be
>> on them faster than flies on stink.
>
>
> Use of the word "jeep" to describe a small four-wheel-drive general
> purpose military vehicle far predates any Daimler trademarks and indeed
> predates the use of the word to describe the civilian ****** product
> sold in the post WWII era.
As military slang it predates WWII.
> In other words, if DC attempts to sue over using the word "jeep" to
> describe a small four-wheel-drive general purpose military vehicle, they
> will *lose*.
In the real world, the loser is the one who runs out of money first.
Just because they would eventually lose doesn't mean that they can't
make an example of you and sue you into penury first.
01-03-2006, 11:30 AM
#23
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Re: M151 revamped? Is it a Real Jeep?
> In the real world, the loser is the one who runs out of money first.
> Just because they would eventually lose doesn't mean that they can't
> make an example of you and sue you into penury first.
Only thing I'm sure of is that 'penury' sounds painful.
tw
__________________________________________________ ___________________
2003 TJ Rubicon * 2001 XJ Sport * 1971 Bill Stroppe Baja Bronco
"There is a very fine line between 'hobby' and 'mental illness'."
Pronunciation: 'jEp Function: noun Date: 1940
Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80" wheelbase, 1/4-ton
capacity and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in World War II.
__________________________________________________ ___________________
> Just because they would eventually lose doesn't mean that they can't
> make an example of you and sue you into penury first.
Only thing I'm sure of is that 'penury' sounds painful.
tw
__________________________________________________ ___________________
2003 TJ Rubicon * 2001 XJ Sport * 1971 Bill Stroppe Baja Bronco
"There is a very fine line between 'hobby' and 'mental illness'."
Pronunciation: 'jEp Function: noun Date: 1940
Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80" wheelbase, 1/4-ton
capacity and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in World War II.
__________________________________________________ ___________________
01-03-2006, 11:30 AM
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Re: M151 revamped? Is it a Real Jeep?
> In the real world, the loser is the one who runs out of money first.
> Just because they would eventually lose doesn't mean that they can't
> make an example of you and sue you into penury first.
Only thing I'm sure of is that 'penury' sounds painful.
tw
__________________________________________________ ___________________
2003 TJ Rubicon * 2001 XJ Sport * 1971 Bill Stroppe Baja Bronco
"There is a very fine line between 'hobby' and 'mental illness'."
Pronunciation: 'jEp Function: noun Date: 1940
Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80" wheelbase, 1/4-ton
capacity and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in World War II.
__________________________________________________ ___________________
> Just because they would eventually lose doesn't mean that they can't
> make an example of you and sue you into penury first.
Only thing I'm sure of is that 'penury' sounds painful.
tw
__________________________________________________ ___________________
2003 TJ Rubicon * 2001 XJ Sport * 1971 Bill Stroppe Baja Bronco
"There is a very fine line between 'hobby' and 'mental illness'."
Pronunciation: 'jEp Function: noun Date: 1940
Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80" wheelbase, 1/4-ton
capacity and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in World War II.
__________________________________________________ ___________________
01-03-2006, 11:30 AM
#25
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Re: M151 revamped? Is it a Real Jeep?
> In the real world, the loser is the one who runs out of money first.
> Just because they would eventually lose doesn't mean that they can't
> make an example of you and sue you into penury first.
Only thing I'm sure of is that 'penury' sounds painful.
tw
__________________________________________________ ___________________
2003 TJ Rubicon * 2001 XJ Sport * 1971 Bill Stroppe Baja Bronco
"There is a very fine line between 'hobby' and 'mental illness'."
Pronunciation: 'jEp Function: noun Date: 1940
Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80" wheelbase, 1/4-ton
capacity and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in World War II.
__________________________________________________ ___________________
> Just because they would eventually lose doesn't mean that they can't
> make an example of you and sue you into penury first.
Only thing I'm sure of is that 'penury' sounds painful.
tw
__________________________________________________ ___________________
2003 TJ Rubicon * 2001 XJ Sport * 1971 Bill Stroppe Baja Bronco
"There is a very fine line between 'hobby' and 'mental illness'."
Pronunciation: 'jEp Function: noun Date: 1940
Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80" wheelbase, 1/4-ton
capacity and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in World War II.
__________________________________________________ ___________________
01-03-2006, 01:50 PM
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Etymology of "jeep" WAS: M151 revamped? Is it a Real Jeep?
Frank_v7.0 wrote:
> L. Ron Waddle wrote:
>
>> Use of the word "jeep" to describe a small four-wheel-drive general
>> purpose military vehicle far predates any Daimler trademarks and
>> indeed predates the use of the word to describe the civilian ******
>> product sold in the post WWII era.
>>
>> In other words, if DC attempts to sue over using the word "jeep" to
>> describe a small four-wheel-drive general purpose military vehicle,
>> they will *lose*.
>
> True. I drove "jeeps" in the Army, but now I drive "Jeeps" (Liberty and
> Wrangler). Notice how I capitalize. Definition: "jeep" "a small durable
> motor vehicle with four wheel drive used by the armed forces. [From G.P.
> "general purpose"]
Hurm. I'm sorry, but this is a pet peeve of mine.
You were doing well until that last bit in brackets. The WWII
initialism GP -- as in GPW -- never stood for "general purpose" as is
commonly thought, it was Ford nomenclature for "Government contract" "80
inch wheelbase reconnaissance car" (The W referred to the ****** origin
of the design). See a photo of the Ford manual page that documents this
here:
<URL:http://members.aol.com/WW2JeepMBGPW/Photos/JEEPGPnameDoc.jpg>
Further, the Ford/******/Bantam 4x4 command and reconnaissance car
wasn't referred to as a "GP" or "general purpose vehicle", but then
neither were the other military vehicles that preceded the MB/GPW that
were /also/ nicknamed "jeeps". This would include YB-17 prototype heavy
bomber in 1937, the artillery tractor built by Minneapolis-Moline in
1937-1940, the 1940 Dodge T202 and T207 1/2-ton command car and a
civilian one-off oil exploration rig built on a Ford base for Haliburton
Oil Well Co in 1938 which wore the name "Jeep" on its sides for a time.
That's a _lot_ of non-GP jeeps. See:
<URL:http://www.geocities.com/jeeptoys/history.htm> for photos and details.
From a dictionary I hold published in 1944 (making it a period cite),
with a special section on "War Words" (notice that it covers a range of
vehicles):
QUOTING_____________________________________
Jeep n. (slang) nickname for the small 1/2 ton and the smaller 1/4 ton
command-reconnaissance car now replacing to a great extent the functions
of the cavalry. Some army outfits distinguish between the two sizes by
calling the smaller vehicles "peeps" and the larger ones are then called
"jeeps." Also called jeep buggy and blitz buggy. See PEEP and SCOUT CAR.
Peep n. nickname for the small 1/4 ton scout or reconnaissance military
motor vehicle which holds and can be lifted by four men, who carry
rifles and a machine gun. It covers rough ground rapidly and has a
speed of sixty miles per hour on good roads. Also called bantam,
midget, or son of a jeep. See JEEP and SCOUT CAR.
Scout car n. a small, light, partially armored auto -- with great
cross-country mobility limited only by unfavorable terrain -- employed
by cavalry for transporting men and weapons and for reconnaissance and
patrol; it carries five men, four machine guns and a radio sending and
receiving set. See JEEP and PEEP.
Sea jeep n. (slang) popular nickname for U.S. Army amphibious armored
motor vehicle -- powered by a gasoline engine, carrying a crew of eight,
and capable of operations on land and in water -- being used especially
to force river crossings. Official name: Aqua Cheetah.
UNQUOTING___________________________________
And then there were the 127 USN "jeep carriers", small, slow, inelegant,
unarmored light aircraft carriers built on merchant hull designs (or
conversions of existing merchant hulls), none of which were called "GP"
or "general purpose" and weren't used to transport Jeeps. See:
<URL:http://www.navy.mil/palib/ships/carriers/cv-escrt.html>
That the name Jeep is associated somehow with Seagar's Eugene the Jeep
is undeniable and documented, although it is suggested that the word
"jeep" may have already existed in slang as a term for anything small or
odd. Go ahead and say that the word comes from Eugene, I won't
complain. But please don't repeat that folklore about "General
Purpose". It may sound good to the ear but there's no evidence for it
and a lot of evidence against it.
> L. Ron Waddle wrote:
>
>> Use of the word "jeep" to describe a small four-wheel-drive general
>> purpose military vehicle far predates any Daimler trademarks and
>> indeed predates the use of the word to describe the civilian ******
>> product sold in the post WWII era.
>>
>> In other words, if DC attempts to sue over using the word "jeep" to
>> describe a small four-wheel-drive general purpose military vehicle,
>> they will *lose*.
>
> True. I drove "jeeps" in the Army, but now I drive "Jeeps" (Liberty and
> Wrangler). Notice how I capitalize. Definition: "jeep" "a small durable
> motor vehicle with four wheel drive used by the armed forces. [From G.P.
> "general purpose"]
Hurm. I'm sorry, but this is a pet peeve of mine.
You were doing well until that last bit in brackets. The WWII
initialism GP -- as in GPW -- never stood for "general purpose" as is
commonly thought, it was Ford nomenclature for "Government contract" "80
inch wheelbase reconnaissance car" (The W referred to the ****** origin
of the design). See a photo of the Ford manual page that documents this
here:
<URL:http://members.aol.com/WW2JeepMBGPW/Photos/JEEPGPnameDoc.jpg>
Further, the Ford/******/Bantam 4x4 command and reconnaissance car
wasn't referred to as a "GP" or "general purpose vehicle", but then
neither were the other military vehicles that preceded the MB/GPW that
were /also/ nicknamed "jeeps". This would include YB-17 prototype heavy
bomber in 1937, the artillery tractor built by Minneapolis-Moline in
1937-1940, the 1940 Dodge T202 and T207 1/2-ton command car and a
civilian one-off oil exploration rig built on a Ford base for Haliburton
Oil Well Co in 1938 which wore the name "Jeep" on its sides for a time.
That's a _lot_ of non-GP jeeps. See:
<URL:http://www.geocities.com/jeeptoys/history.htm> for photos and details.
From a dictionary I hold published in 1944 (making it a period cite),
with a special section on "War Words" (notice that it covers a range of
vehicles):
QUOTING_____________________________________
Jeep n. (slang) nickname for the small 1/2 ton and the smaller 1/4 ton
command-reconnaissance car now replacing to a great extent the functions
of the cavalry. Some army outfits distinguish between the two sizes by
calling the smaller vehicles "peeps" and the larger ones are then called
"jeeps." Also called jeep buggy and blitz buggy. See PEEP and SCOUT CAR.
Peep n. nickname for the small 1/4 ton scout or reconnaissance military
motor vehicle which holds and can be lifted by four men, who carry
rifles and a machine gun. It covers rough ground rapidly and has a
speed of sixty miles per hour on good roads. Also called bantam,
midget, or son of a jeep. See JEEP and SCOUT CAR.
Scout car n. a small, light, partially armored auto -- with great
cross-country mobility limited only by unfavorable terrain -- employed
by cavalry for transporting men and weapons and for reconnaissance and
patrol; it carries five men, four machine guns and a radio sending and
receiving set. See JEEP and PEEP.
Sea jeep n. (slang) popular nickname for U.S. Army amphibious armored
motor vehicle -- powered by a gasoline engine, carrying a crew of eight,
and capable of operations on land and in water -- being used especially
to force river crossings. Official name: Aqua Cheetah.
UNQUOTING___________________________________
And then there were the 127 USN "jeep carriers", small, slow, inelegant,
unarmored light aircraft carriers built on merchant hull designs (or
conversions of existing merchant hulls), none of which were called "GP"
or "general purpose" and weren't used to transport Jeeps. See:
<URL:http://www.navy.mil/palib/ships/carriers/cv-escrt.html>
That the name Jeep is associated somehow with Seagar's Eugene the Jeep
is undeniable and documented, although it is suggested that the word
"jeep" may have already existed in slang as a term for anything small or
odd. Go ahead and say that the word comes from Eugene, I won't
complain. But please don't repeat that folklore about "General
Purpose". It may sound good to the ear but there's no evidence for it
and a lot of evidence against it.
01-03-2006, 01:50 PM
#27
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Posts: n/a
Etymology of "jeep" WAS: M151 revamped? Is it a Real Jeep?
Frank_v7.0 wrote:
> L. Ron Waddle wrote:
>
>> Use of the word "jeep" to describe a small four-wheel-drive general
>> purpose military vehicle far predates any Daimler trademarks and
>> indeed predates the use of the word to describe the civilian ******
>> product sold in the post WWII era.
>>
>> In other words, if DC attempts to sue over using the word "jeep" to
>> describe a small four-wheel-drive general purpose military vehicle,
>> they will *lose*.
>
> True. I drove "jeeps" in the Army, but now I drive "Jeeps" (Liberty and
> Wrangler). Notice how I capitalize. Definition: "jeep" "a small durable
> motor vehicle with four wheel drive used by the armed forces. [From G.P.
> "general purpose"]
Hurm. I'm sorry, but this is a pet peeve of mine.
You were doing well until that last bit in brackets. The WWII
initialism GP -- as in GPW -- never stood for "general purpose" as is
commonly thought, it was Ford nomenclature for "Government contract" "80
inch wheelbase reconnaissance car" (The W referred to the ****** origin
of the design). See a photo of the Ford manual page that documents this
here:
<URL:http://members.aol.com/WW2JeepMBGPW/Photos/JEEPGPnameDoc.jpg>
Further, the Ford/******/Bantam 4x4 command and reconnaissance car
wasn't referred to as a "GP" or "general purpose vehicle", but then
neither were the other military vehicles that preceded the MB/GPW that
were /also/ nicknamed "jeeps". This would include YB-17 prototype heavy
bomber in 1937, the artillery tractor built by Minneapolis-Moline in
1937-1940, the 1940 Dodge T202 and T207 1/2-ton command car and a
civilian one-off oil exploration rig built on a Ford base for Haliburton
Oil Well Co in 1938 which wore the name "Jeep" on its sides for a time.
That's a _lot_ of non-GP jeeps. See:
<URL:http://www.geocities.com/jeeptoys/history.htm> for photos and details.
From a dictionary I hold published in 1944 (making it a period cite),
with a special section on "War Words" (notice that it covers a range of
vehicles):
QUOTING_____________________________________
Jeep n. (slang) nickname for the small 1/2 ton and the smaller 1/4 ton
command-reconnaissance car now replacing to a great extent the functions
of the cavalry. Some army outfits distinguish between the two sizes by
calling the smaller vehicles "peeps" and the larger ones are then called
"jeeps." Also called jeep buggy and blitz buggy. See PEEP and SCOUT CAR.
Peep n. nickname for the small 1/4 ton scout or reconnaissance military
motor vehicle which holds and can be lifted by four men, who carry
rifles and a machine gun. It covers rough ground rapidly and has a
speed of sixty miles per hour on good roads. Also called bantam,
midget, or son of a jeep. See JEEP and SCOUT CAR.
Scout car n. a small, light, partially armored auto -- with great
cross-country mobility limited only by unfavorable terrain -- employed
by cavalry for transporting men and weapons and for reconnaissance and
patrol; it carries five men, four machine guns and a radio sending and
receiving set. See JEEP and PEEP.
Sea jeep n. (slang) popular nickname for U.S. Army amphibious armored
motor vehicle -- powered by a gasoline engine, carrying a crew of eight,
and capable of operations on land and in water -- being used especially
to force river crossings. Official name: Aqua Cheetah.
UNQUOTING___________________________________
And then there were the 127 USN "jeep carriers", small, slow, inelegant,
unarmored light aircraft carriers built on merchant hull designs (or
conversions of existing merchant hulls), none of which were called "GP"
or "general purpose" and weren't used to transport Jeeps. See:
<URL:http://www.navy.mil/palib/ships/carriers/cv-escrt.html>
That the name Jeep is associated somehow with Seagar's Eugene the Jeep
is undeniable and documented, although it is suggested that the word
"jeep" may have already existed in slang as a term for anything small or
odd. Go ahead and say that the word comes from Eugene, I won't
complain. But please don't repeat that folklore about "General
Purpose". It may sound good to the ear but there's no evidence for it
and a lot of evidence against it.
> L. Ron Waddle wrote:
>
>> Use of the word "jeep" to describe a small four-wheel-drive general
>> purpose military vehicle far predates any Daimler trademarks and
>> indeed predates the use of the word to describe the civilian ******
>> product sold in the post WWII era.
>>
>> In other words, if DC attempts to sue over using the word "jeep" to
>> describe a small four-wheel-drive general purpose military vehicle,
>> they will *lose*.
>
> True. I drove "jeeps" in the Army, but now I drive "Jeeps" (Liberty and
> Wrangler). Notice how I capitalize. Definition: "jeep" "a small durable
> motor vehicle with four wheel drive used by the armed forces. [From G.P.
> "general purpose"]
Hurm. I'm sorry, but this is a pet peeve of mine.
You were doing well until that last bit in brackets. The WWII
initialism GP -- as in GPW -- never stood for "general purpose" as is
commonly thought, it was Ford nomenclature for "Government contract" "80
inch wheelbase reconnaissance car" (The W referred to the ****** origin
of the design). See a photo of the Ford manual page that documents this
here:
<URL:http://members.aol.com/WW2JeepMBGPW/Photos/JEEPGPnameDoc.jpg>
Further, the Ford/******/Bantam 4x4 command and reconnaissance car
wasn't referred to as a "GP" or "general purpose vehicle", but then
neither were the other military vehicles that preceded the MB/GPW that
were /also/ nicknamed "jeeps". This would include YB-17 prototype heavy
bomber in 1937, the artillery tractor built by Minneapolis-Moline in
1937-1940, the 1940 Dodge T202 and T207 1/2-ton command car and a
civilian one-off oil exploration rig built on a Ford base for Haliburton
Oil Well Co in 1938 which wore the name "Jeep" on its sides for a time.
That's a _lot_ of non-GP jeeps. See:
<URL:http://www.geocities.com/jeeptoys/history.htm> for photos and details.
From a dictionary I hold published in 1944 (making it a period cite),
with a special section on "War Words" (notice that it covers a range of
vehicles):
QUOTING_____________________________________
Jeep n. (slang) nickname for the small 1/2 ton and the smaller 1/4 ton
command-reconnaissance car now replacing to a great extent the functions
of the cavalry. Some army outfits distinguish between the two sizes by
calling the smaller vehicles "peeps" and the larger ones are then called
"jeeps." Also called jeep buggy and blitz buggy. See PEEP and SCOUT CAR.
Peep n. nickname for the small 1/4 ton scout or reconnaissance military
motor vehicle which holds and can be lifted by four men, who carry
rifles and a machine gun. It covers rough ground rapidly and has a
speed of sixty miles per hour on good roads. Also called bantam,
midget, or son of a jeep. See JEEP and SCOUT CAR.
Scout car n. a small, light, partially armored auto -- with great
cross-country mobility limited only by unfavorable terrain -- employed
by cavalry for transporting men and weapons and for reconnaissance and
patrol; it carries five men, four machine guns and a radio sending and
receiving set. See JEEP and PEEP.
Sea jeep n. (slang) popular nickname for U.S. Army amphibious armored
motor vehicle -- powered by a gasoline engine, carrying a crew of eight,
and capable of operations on land and in water -- being used especially
to force river crossings. Official name: Aqua Cheetah.
UNQUOTING___________________________________
And then there were the 127 USN "jeep carriers", small, slow, inelegant,
unarmored light aircraft carriers built on merchant hull designs (or
conversions of existing merchant hulls), none of which were called "GP"
or "general purpose" and weren't used to transport Jeeps. See:
<URL:http://www.navy.mil/palib/ships/carriers/cv-escrt.html>
That the name Jeep is associated somehow with Seagar's Eugene the Jeep
is undeniable and documented, although it is suggested that the word
"jeep" may have already existed in slang as a term for anything small or
odd. Go ahead and say that the word comes from Eugene, I won't
complain. But please don't repeat that folklore about "General
Purpose". It may sound good to the ear but there's no evidence for it
and a lot of evidence against it.
01-03-2006, 01:50 PM
#28
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Posts: n/a
Etymology of "jeep" WAS: M151 revamped? Is it a Real Jeep?
Frank_v7.0 wrote:
> L. Ron Waddle wrote:
>
>> Use of the word "jeep" to describe a small four-wheel-drive general
>> purpose military vehicle far predates any Daimler trademarks and
>> indeed predates the use of the word to describe the civilian ******
>> product sold in the post WWII era.
>>
>> In other words, if DC attempts to sue over using the word "jeep" to
>> describe a small four-wheel-drive general purpose military vehicle,
>> they will *lose*.
>
> True. I drove "jeeps" in the Army, but now I drive "Jeeps" (Liberty and
> Wrangler). Notice how I capitalize. Definition: "jeep" "a small durable
> motor vehicle with four wheel drive used by the armed forces. [From G.P.
> "general purpose"]
Hurm. I'm sorry, but this is a pet peeve of mine.
You were doing well until that last bit in brackets. The WWII
initialism GP -- as in GPW -- never stood for "general purpose" as is
commonly thought, it was Ford nomenclature for "Government contract" "80
inch wheelbase reconnaissance car" (The W referred to the ****** origin
of the design). See a photo of the Ford manual page that documents this
here:
<URL:http://members.aol.com/WW2JeepMBGPW/Photos/JEEPGPnameDoc.jpg>
Further, the Ford/******/Bantam 4x4 command and reconnaissance car
wasn't referred to as a "GP" or "general purpose vehicle", but then
neither were the other military vehicles that preceded the MB/GPW that
were /also/ nicknamed "jeeps". This would include YB-17 prototype heavy
bomber in 1937, the artillery tractor built by Minneapolis-Moline in
1937-1940, the 1940 Dodge T202 and T207 1/2-ton command car and a
civilian one-off oil exploration rig built on a Ford base for Haliburton
Oil Well Co in 1938 which wore the name "Jeep" on its sides for a time.
That's a _lot_ of non-GP jeeps. See:
<URL:http://www.geocities.com/jeeptoys/history.htm> for photos and details.
From a dictionary I hold published in 1944 (making it a period cite),
with a special section on "War Words" (notice that it covers a range of
vehicles):
QUOTING_____________________________________
Jeep n. (slang) nickname for the small 1/2 ton and the smaller 1/4 ton
command-reconnaissance car now replacing to a great extent the functions
of the cavalry. Some army outfits distinguish between the two sizes by
calling the smaller vehicles "peeps" and the larger ones are then called
"jeeps." Also called jeep buggy and blitz buggy. See PEEP and SCOUT CAR.
Peep n. nickname for the small 1/4 ton scout or reconnaissance military
motor vehicle which holds and can be lifted by four men, who carry
rifles and a machine gun. It covers rough ground rapidly and has a
speed of sixty miles per hour on good roads. Also called bantam,
midget, or son of a jeep. See JEEP and SCOUT CAR.
Scout car n. a small, light, partially armored auto -- with great
cross-country mobility limited only by unfavorable terrain -- employed
by cavalry for transporting men and weapons and for reconnaissance and
patrol; it carries five men, four machine guns and a radio sending and
receiving set. See JEEP and PEEP.
Sea jeep n. (slang) popular nickname for U.S. Army amphibious armored
motor vehicle -- powered by a gasoline engine, carrying a crew of eight,
and capable of operations on land and in water -- being used especially
to force river crossings. Official name: Aqua Cheetah.
UNQUOTING___________________________________
And then there were the 127 USN "jeep carriers", small, slow, inelegant,
unarmored light aircraft carriers built on merchant hull designs (or
conversions of existing merchant hulls), none of which were called "GP"
or "general purpose" and weren't used to transport Jeeps. See:
<URL:http://www.navy.mil/palib/ships/carriers/cv-escrt.html>
That the name Jeep is associated somehow with Seagar's Eugene the Jeep
is undeniable and documented, although it is suggested that the word
"jeep" may have already existed in slang as a term for anything small or
odd. Go ahead and say that the word comes from Eugene, I won't
complain. But please don't repeat that folklore about "General
Purpose". It may sound good to the ear but there's no evidence for it
and a lot of evidence against it.
> L. Ron Waddle wrote:
>
>> Use of the word "jeep" to describe a small four-wheel-drive general
>> purpose military vehicle far predates any Daimler trademarks and
>> indeed predates the use of the word to describe the civilian ******
>> product sold in the post WWII era.
>>
>> In other words, if DC attempts to sue over using the word "jeep" to
>> describe a small four-wheel-drive general purpose military vehicle,
>> they will *lose*.
>
> True. I drove "jeeps" in the Army, but now I drive "Jeeps" (Liberty and
> Wrangler). Notice how I capitalize. Definition: "jeep" "a small durable
> motor vehicle with four wheel drive used by the armed forces. [From G.P.
> "general purpose"]
Hurm. I'm sorry, but this is a pet peeve of mine.
You were doing well until that last bit in brackets. The WWII
initialism GP -- as in GPW -- never stood for "general purpose" as is
commonly thought, it was Ford nomenclature for "Government contract" "80
inch wheelbase reconnaissance car" (The W referred to the ****** origin
of the design). See a photo of the Ford manual page that documents this
here:
<URL:http://members.aol.com/WW2JeepMBGPW/Photos/JEEPGPnameDoc.jpg>
Further, the Ford/******/Bantam 4x4 command and reconnaissance car
wasn't referred to as a "GP" or "general purpose vehicle", but then
neither were the other military vehicles that preceded the MB/GPW that
were /also/ nicknamed "jeeps". This would include YB-17 prototype heavy
bomber in 1937, the artillery tractor built by Minneapolis-Moline in
1937-1940, the 1940 Dodge T202 and T207 1/2-ton command car and a
civilian one-off oil exploration rig built on a Ford base for Haliburton
Oil Well Co in 1938 which wore the name "Jeep" on its sides for a time.
That's a _lot_ of non-GP jeeps. See:
<URL:http://www.geocities.com/jeeptoys/history.htm> for photos and details.
From a dictionary I hold published in 1944 (making it a period cite),
with a special section on "War Words" (notice that it covers a range of
vehicles):
QUOTING_____________________________________
Jeep n. (slang) nickname for the small 1/2 ton and the smaller 1/4 ton
command-reconnaissance car now replacing to a great extent the functions
of the cavalry. Some army outfits distinguish between the two sizes by
calling the smaller vehicles "peeps" and the larger ones are then called
"jeeps." Also called jeep buggy and blitz buggy. See PEEP and SCOUT CAR.
Peep n. nickname for the small 1/4 ton scout or reconnaissance military
motor vehicle which holds and can be lifted by four men, who carry
rifles and a machine gun. It covers rough ground rapidly and has a
speed of sixty miles per hour on good roads. Also called bantam,
midget, or son of a jeep. See JEEP and SCOUT CAR.
Scout car n. a small, light, partially armored auto -- with great
cross-country mobility limited only by unfavorable terrain -- employed
by cavalry for transporting men and weapons and for reconnaissance and
patrol; it carries five men, four machine guns and a radio sending and
receiving set. See JEEP and PEEP.
Sea jeep n. (slang) popular nickname for U.S. Army amphibious armored
motor vehicle -- powered by a gasoline engine, carrying a crew of eight,
and capable of operations on land and in water -- being used especially
to force river crossings. Official name: Aqua Cheetah.
UNQUOTING___________________________________
And then there were the 127 USN "jeep carriers", small, slow, inelegant,
unarmored light aircraft carriers built on merchant hull designs (or
conversions of existing merchant hulls), none of which were called "GP"
or "general purpose" and weren't used to transport Jeeps. See:
<URL:http://www.navy.mil/palib/ships/carriers/cv-escrt.html>
That the name Jeep is associated somehow with Seagar's Eugene the Jeep
is undeniable and documented, although it is suggested that the word
"jeep" may have already existed in slang as a term for anything small or
odd. Go ahead and say that the word comes from Eugene, I won't
complain. But please don't repeat that folklore about "General
Purpose". It may sound good to the ear but there's no evidence for it
and a lot of evidence against it.
01-03-2006, 05:10 PM
#29
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Etymology of "jeep" WAS: M151 revamped? Is it a Real Jeep?
Lee Ayrton wrote:
> Frank_v7.0 wrote:
>> L. Ron Waddle wrote:
>>
>>> Use of the word "jeep" to describe a small four-wheel-drive general
>>> purpose military vehicle far predates any Daimler trademarks and
>>> indeed predates the use of the word to describe the civilian ******
>>> product sold in the post WWII era.
>>>
>>> In other words, if DC attempts to sue over using the word "jeep" to
>>> describe a small four-wheel-drive general purpose military vehicle,
>>> they will *lose*.
>>
>> True. I drove "jeeps" in the Army, but now I drive "Jeeps" (Liberty
>> and Wrangler). Notice how I capitalize. Definition: "jeep" "a small
>> durable motor vehicle with four wheel drive used by the armed forces.
>> [From G.P. "general purpose"]
>
> Hurm. I'm sorry, but this is a pet peeve of mine.
>
> You were doing well until that last bit in brackets. The WWII
> initialism GP -- as in GPW -- never stood for "general purpose" as is
> commonly thought, it was Ford nomenclature for "Government contract" "80
> inch wheelbase reconnaissance car" (The W referred to the ****** origin
> of the design). See a photo of the Ford manual page that documents this
> here:
> <URL:http://members.aol.com/WW2JeepMBGPW/Photos/JEEPGPnameDoc.jpg>
>
> Further, the Ford/******/Bantam 4x4 command and reconnaissance car
> wasn't referred to as a "GP" or "general purpose vehicle", but then
> neither were the other military vehicles that preceded the MB/GPW that
> were /also/ nicknamed "jeeps". This would include YB-17 prototype heavy
> bomber in 1937, the artillery tractor built by Minneapolis-Moline in
> 1937-1940, the 1940 Dodge T202 and T207 1/2-ton command car and a
> civilian one-off oil exploration rig built on a Ford base for Haliburton
> Oil Well Co in 1938 which wore the name "Jeep" on its sides for a time.
> That's a _lot_ of non-GP jeeps. See:
> <URL:http://www.geocities.com/jeeptoys/history.htm> for photos and details.
>
> From a dictionary I hold published in 1944 (making it a period cite),
> with a special section on "War Words" (notice that it covers a range of
> vehicles):
> QUOTING_____________________________________
> Jeep n. (slang) nickname for the small 1/2 ton and the smaller 1/4 ton
> command-reconnaissance car now replacing to a great extent the functions
> of the cavalry. Some army outfits distinguish between the two sizes by
> calling the smaller vehicles "peeps" and the larger ones are then called
> "jeeps." Also called jeep buggy and blitz buggy. See PEEP and SCOUT CAR.
>
> Peep n. nickname for the small 1/4 ton scout or reconnaissance military
> motor vehicle which holds and can be lifted by four men, who carry
> rifles and a machine gun. It covers rough ground rapidly and has a
> speed of sixty miles per hour on good roads. Also called bantam,
> midget, or son of a jeep. See JEEP and SCOUT CAR.
>
> Scout car n. a small, light, partially armored auto -- with great
> cross-country mobility limited only by unfavorable terrain -- employed
> by cavalry for transporting men and weapons and for reconnaissance and
> patrol; it carries five men, four machine guns and a radio sending and
> receiving set. See JEEP and PEEP.
>
> Sea jeep n. (slang) popular nickname for U.S. Army amphibious armored
> motor vehicle -- powered by a gasoline engine, carrying a crew of eight,
> and capable of operations on land and in water -- being used especially
> to force river crossings. Official name: Aqua Cheetah.
>
> UNQUOTING___________________________________
>
> And then there were the 127 USN "jeep carriers", small, slow, inelegant,
> unarmored light aircraft carriers built on merchant hull designs (or
> conversions of existing merchant hulls), none of which were called "GP"
> or "general purpose" and weren't used to transport Jeeps. See:
> <URL:http://www.navy.mil/palib/ships/carriers/cv-escrt.html>
>
> That the name Jeep is associated somehow with Seagar's Eugene the Jeep
> is undeniable and documented, although it is suggested that the word
> "jeep" may have already existed in slang as a term for anything small or
> odd. Go ahead and say that the word comes from Eugene, I won't
> complain. But please don't repeat that folklore about "General
> Purpose". It may sound good to the ear but there's no evidence for it
> and a lot of evidence against it.
>
>
Just copied it out of my dictionary :-) Second College Edition of The
American Heritage Dictionary. Copyright 1983 by Houghton Mifflin
Company. All correspondence and inquiries should be directed to:
Reference Division, Houghton Mifflin Company, Two Park Street, Boston,
MA 02108. Give 'em heck!
--
FRH
> Frank_v7.0 wrote:
>> L. Ron Waddle wrote:
>>
>>> Use of the word "jeep" to describe a small four-wheel-drive general
>>> purpose military vehicle far predates any Daimler trademarks and
>>> indeed predates the use of the word to describe the civilian ******
>>> product sold in the post WWII era.
>>>
>>> In other words, if DC attempts to sue over using the word "jeep" to
>>> describe a small four-wheel-drive general purpose military vehicle,
>>> they will *lose*.
>>
>> True. I drove "jeeps" in the Army, but now I drive "Jeeps" (Liberty
>> and Wrangler). Notice how I capitalize. Definition: "jeep" "a small
>> durable motor vehicle with four wheel drive used by the armed forces.
>> [From G.P. "general purpose"]
>
> Hurm. I'm sorry, but this is a pet peeve of mine.
>
> You were doing well until that last bit in brackets. The WWII
> initialism GP -- as in GPW -- never stood for "general purpose" as is
> commonly thought, it was Ford nomenclature for "Government contract" "80
> inch wheelbase reconnaissance car" (The W referred to the ****** origin
> of the design). See a photo of the Ford manual page that documents this
> here:
> <URL:http://members.aol.com/WW2JeepMBGPW/Photos/JEEPGPnameDoc.jpg>
>
> Further, the Ford/******/Bantam 4x4 command and reconnaissance car
> wasn't referred to as a "GP" or "general purpose vehicle", but then
> neither were the other military vehicles that preceded the MB/GPW that
> were /also/ nicknamed "jeeps". This would include YB-17 prototype heavy
> bomber in 1937, the artillery tractor built by Minneapolis-Moline in
> 1937-1940, the 1940 Dodge T202 and T207 1/2-ton command car and a
> civilian one-off oil exploration rig built on a Ford base for Haliburton
> Oil Well Co in 1938 which wore the name "Jeep" on its sides for a time.
> That's a _lot_ of non-GP jeeps. See:
> <URL:http://www.geocities.com/jeeptoys/history.htm> for photos and details.
>
> From a dictionary I hold published in 1944 (making it a period cite),
> with a special section on "War Words" (notice that it covers a range of
> vehicles):
> QUOTING_____________________________________
> Jeep n. (slang) nickname for the small 1/2 ton and the smaller 1/4 ton
> command-reconnaissance car now replacing to a great extent the functions
> of the cavalry. Some army outfits distinguish between the two sizes by
> calling the smaller vehicles "peeps" and the larger ones are then called
> "jeeps." Also called jeep buggy and blitz buggy. See PEEP and SCOUT CAR.
>
> Peep n. nickname for the small 1/4 ton scout or reconnaissance military
> motor vehicle which holds and can be lifted by four men, who carry
> rifles and a machine gun. It covers rough ground rapidly and has a
> speed of sixty miles per hour on good roads. Also called bantam,
> midget, or son of a jeep. See JEEP and SCOUT CAR.
>
> Scout car n. a small, light, partially armored auto -- with great
> cross-country mobility limited only by unfavorable terrain -- employed
> by cavalry for transporting men and weapons and for reconnaissance and
> patrol; it carries five men, four machine guns and a radio sending and
> receiving set. See JEEP and PEEP.
>
> Sea jeep n. (slang) popular nickname for U.S. Army amphibious armored
> motor vehicle -- powered by a gasoline engine, carrying a crew of eight,
> and capable of operations on land and in water -- being used especially
> to force river crossings. Official name: Aqua Cheetah.
>
> UNQUOTING___________________________________
>
> And then there were the 127 USN "jeep carriers", small, slow, inelegant,
> unarmored light aircraft carriers built on merchant hull designs (or
> conversions of existing merchant hulls), none of which were called "GP"
> or "general purpose" and weren't used to transport Jeeps. See:
> <URL:http://www.navy.mil/palib/ships/carriers/cv-escrt.html>
>
> That the name Jeep is associated somehow with Seagar's Eugene the Jeep
> is undeniable and documented, although it is suggested that the word
> "jeep" may have already existed in slang as a term for anything small or
> odd. Go ahead and say that the word comes from Eugene, I won't
> complain. But please don't repeat that folklore about "General
> Purpose". It may sound good to the ear but there's no evidence for it
> and a lot of evidence against it.
>
>
Just copied it out of my dictionary :-) Second College Edition of The
American Heritage Dictionary. Copyright 1983 by Houghton Mifflin
Company. All correspondence and inquiries should be directed to:
Reference Division, Houghton Mifflin Company, Two Park Street, Boston,
MA 02108. Give 'em heck!
--
FRH
01-03-2006, 05:10 PM
#30
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Etymology of "jeep" WAS: M151 revamped? Is it a Real Jeep?
Lee Ayrton wrote:
> Frank_v7.0 wrote:
>> L. Ron Waddle wrote:
>>
>>> Use of the word "jeep" to describe a small four-wheel-drive general
>>> purpose military vehicle far predates any Daimler trademarks and
>>> indeed predates the use of the word to describe the civilian ******
>>> product sold in the post WWII era.
>>>
>>> In other words, if DC attempts to sue over using the word "jeep" to
>>> describe a small four-wheel-drive general purpose military vehicle,
>>> they will *lose*.
>>
>> True. I drove "jeeps" in the Army, but now I drive "Jeeps" (Liberty
>> and Wrangler). Notice how I capitalize. Definition: "jeep" "a small
>> durable motor vehicle with four wheel drive used by the armed forces.
>> [From G.P. "general purpose"]
>
> Hurm. I'm sorry, but this is a pet peeve of mine.
>
> You were doing well until that last bit in brackets. The WWII
> initialism GP -- as in GPW -- never stood for "general purpose" as is
> commonly thought, it was Ford nomenclature for "Government contract" "80
> inch wheelbase reconnaissance car" (The W referred to the ****** origin
> of the design). See a photo of the Ford manual page that documents this
> here:
> <URL:http://members.aol.com/WW2JeepMBGPW/Photos/JEEPGPnameDoc.jpg>
>
> Further, the Ford/******/Bantam 4x4 command and reconnaissance car
> wasn't referred to as a "GP" or "general purpose vehicle", but then
> neither were the other military vehicles that preceded the MB/GPW that
> were /also/ nicknamed "jeeps". This would include YB-17 prototype heavy
> bomber in 1937, the artillery tractor built by Minneapolis-Moline in
> 1937-1940, the 1940 Dodge T202 and T207 1/2-ton command car and a
> civilian one-off oil exploration rig built on a Ford base for Haliburton
> Oil Well Co in 1938 which wore the name "Jeep" on its sides for a time.
> That's a _lot_ of non-GP jeeps. See:
> <URL:http://www.geocities.com/jeeptoys/history.htm> for photos and details.
>
> From a dictionary I hold published in 1944 (making it a period cite),
> with a special section on "War Words" (notice that it covers a range of
> vehicles):
> QUOTING_____________________________________
> Jeep n. (slang) nickname for the small 1/2 ton and the smaller 1/4 ton
> command-reconnaissance car now replacing to a great extent the functions
> of the cavalry. Some army outfits distinguish between the two sizes by
> calling the smaller vehicles "peeps" and the larger ones are then called
> "jeeps." Also called jeep buggy and blitz buggy. See PEEP and SCOUT CAR.
>
> Peep n. nickname for the small 1/4 ton scout or reconnaissance military
> motor vehicle which holds and can be lifted by four men, who carry
> rifles and a machine gun. It covers rough ground rapidly and has a
> speed of sixty miles per hour on good roads. Also called bantam,
> midget, or son of a jeep. See JEEP and SCOUT CAR.
>
> Scout car n. a small, light, partially armored auto -- with great
> cross-country mobility limited only by unfavorable terrain -- employed
> by cavalry for transporting men and weapons and for reconnaissance and
> patrol; it carries five men, four machine guns and a radio sending and
> receiving set. See JEEP and PEEP.
>
> Sea jeep n. (slang) popular nickname for U.S. Army amphibious armored
> motor vehicle -- powered by a gasoline engine, carrying a crew of eight,
> and capable of operations on land and in water -- being used especially
> to force river crossings. Official name: Aqua Cheetah.
>
> UNQUOTING___________________________________
>
> And then there were the 127 USN "jeep carriers", small, slow, inelegant,
> unarmored light aircraft carriers built on merchant hull designs (or
> conversions of existing merchant hulls), none of which were called "GP"
> or "general purpose" and weren't used to transport Jeeps. See:
> <URL:http://www.navy.mil/palib/ships/carriers/cv-escrt.html>
>
> That the name Jeep is associated somehow with Seagar's Eugene the Jeep
> is undeniable and documented, although it is suggested that the word
> "jeep" may have already existed in slang as a term for anything small or
> odd. Go ahead and say that the word comes from Eugene, I won't
> complain. But please don't repeat that folklore about "General
> Purpose". It may sound good to the ear but there's no evidence for it
> and a lot of evidence against it.
>
>
Just copied it out of my dictionary :-) Second College Edition of The
American Heritage Dictionary. Copyright 1983 by Houghton Mifflin
Company. All correspondence and inquiries should be directed to:
Reference Division, Houghton Mifflin Company, Two Park Street, Boston,
MA 02108. Give 'em heck!
--
FRH
> Frank_v7.0 wrote:
>> L. Ron Waddle wrote:
>>
>>> Use of the word "jeep" to describe a small four-wheel-drive general
>>> purpose military vehicle far predates any Daimler trademarks and
>>> indeed predates the use of the word to describe the civilian ******
>>> product sold in the post WWII era.
>>>
>>> In other words, if DC attempts to sue over using the word "jeep" to
>>> describe a small four-wheel-drive general purpose military vehicle,
>>> they will *lose*.
>>
>> True. I drove "jeeps" in the Army, but now I drive "Jeeps" (Liberty
>> and Wrangler). Notice how I capitalize. Definition: "jeep" "a small
>> durable motor vehicle with four wheel drive used by the armed forces.
>> [From G.P. "general purpose"]
>
> Hurm. I'm sorry, but this is a pet peeve of mine.
>
> You were doing well until that last bit in brackets. The WWII
> initialism GP -- as in GPW -- never stood for "general purpose" as is
> commonly thought, it was Ford nomenclature for "Government contract" "80
> inch wheelbase reconnaissance car" (The W referred to the ****** origin
> of the design). See a photo of the Ford manual page that documents this
> here:
> <URL:http://members.aol.com/WW2JeepMBGPW/Photos/JEEPGPnameDoc.jpg>
>
> Further, the Ford/******/Bantam 4x4 command and reconnaissance car
> wasn't referred to as a "GP" or "general purpose vehicle", but then
> neither were the other military vehicles that preceded the MB/GPW that
> were /also/ nicknamed "jeeps". This would include YB-17 prototype heavy
> bomber in 1937, the artillery tractor built by Minneapolis-Moline in
> 1937-1940, the 1940 Dodge T202 and T207 1/2-ton command car and a
> civilian one-off oil exploration rig built on a Ford base for Haliburton
> Oil Well Co in 1938 which wore the name "Jeep" on its sides for a time.
> That's a _lot_ of non-GP jeeps. See:
> <URL:http://www.geocities.com/jeeptoys/history.htm> for photos and details.
>
> From a dictionary I hold published in 1944 (making it a period cite),
> with a special section on "War Words" (notice that it covers a range of
> vehicles):
> QUOTING_____________________________________
> Jeep n. (slang) nickname for the small 1/2 ton and the smaller 1/4 ton
> command-reconnaissance car now replacing to a great extent the functions
> of the cavalry. Some army outfits distinguish between the two sizes by
> calling the smaller vehicles "peeps" and the larger ones are then called
> "jeeps." Also called jeep buggy and blitz buggy. See PEEP and SCOUT CAR.
>
> Peep n. nickname for the small 1/4 ton scout or reconnaissance military
> motor vehicle which holds and can be lifted by four men, who carry
> rifles and a machine gun. It covers rough ground rapidly and has a
> speed of sixty miles per hour on good roads. Also called bantam,
> midget, or son of a jeep. See JEEP and SCOUT CAR.
>
> Scout car n. a small, light, partially armored auto -- with great
> cross-country mobility limited only by unfavorable terrain -- employed
> by cavalry for transporting men and weapons and for reconnaissance and
> patrol; it carries five men, four machine guns and a radio sending and
> receiving set. See JEEP and PEEP.
>
> Sea jeep n. (slang) popular nickname for U.S. Army amphibious armored
> motor vehicle -- powered by a gasoline engine, carrying a crew of eight,
> and capable of operations on land and in water -- being used especially
> to force river crossings. Official name: Aqua Cheetah.
>
> UNQUOTING___________________________________
>
> And then there were the 127 USN "jeep carriers", small, slow, inelegant,
> unarmored light aircraft carriers built on merchant hull designs (or
> conversions of existing merchant hulls), none of which were called "GP"
> or "general purpose" and weren't used to transport Jeeps. See:
> <URL:http://www.navy.mil/palib/ships/carriers/cv-escrt.html>
>
> That the name Jeep is associated somehow with Seagar's Eugene the Jeep
> is undeniable and documented, although it is suggested that the word
> "jeep" may have already existed in slang as a term for anything small or
> odd. Go ahead and say that the word comes from Eugene, I won't
> complain. But please don't repeat that folklore about "General
> Purpose". It may sound good to the ear but there's no evidence for it
> and a lot of evidence against it.
>
>
Just copied it out of my dictionary :-) Second College Edition of The
American Heritage Dictionary. Copyright 1983 by Houghton Mifflin
Company. All correspondence and inquiries should be directed to:
Reference Division, Houghton Mifflin Company, Two Park Street, Boston,
MA 02108. Give 'em heck!
--
FRH