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#251
Guest
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Re: multi-culturalism
Operation Kratos (the authority on which we have a shoot to the head policy
to avoid hitting a bomb strapped round the torso), is an intelligence-led
system which requires them to identify the target in advance and take them
out. Clearly they took out their target very professionally (no criticism of
the officers at all), but someone in intell cocked up.
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
news:w6zEe.27333$mC.24246@okepread07...
> Dave Milne did pass the time by typing:
> > OTOH, it seems our intelligence is crap, as they admit they shot the
wrong
> > guy, and
> > there is some debate as to whether they gave any warning.
> >
> > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4711021.stm
> >
>
> The guy vaulted the ticket barrier and ran straight for the train.
>
> Given all that's gone on there I'd have shot him too.
>
> Then again if you go to any metro you find the odd person that
> jumps the gate. Some subways now use a checkpoint you can't jump.
>
> Some people feel the need to do stupid things at the wrong time.
> These days being stupid can get you killed.
>
> It's like security where I work. The signs that say "Deadly Force
> Authorized" used to be a laugh. Now it's no joke.
>
> --
> DougW
>
>
to avoid hitting a bomb strapped round the torso), is an intelligence-led
system which requires them to identify the target in advance and take them
out. Clearly they took out their target very professionally (no criticism of
the officers at all), but someone in intell cocked up.
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
news:w6zEe.27333$mC.24246@okepread07...
> Dave Milne did pass the time by typing:
> > OTOH, it seems our intelligence is crap, as they admit they shot the
wrong
> > guy, and
> > there is some debate as to whether they gave any warning.
> >
> > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4711021.stm
> >
>
> The guy vaulted the ticket barrier and ran straight for the train.
>
> Given all that's gone on there I'd have shot him too.
>
> Then again if you go to any metro you find the odd person that
> jumps the gate. Some subways now use a checkpoint you can't jump.
>
> Some people feel the need to do stupid things at the wrong time.
> These days being stupid can get you killed.
>
> It's like security where I work. The signs that say "Deadly Force
> Authorized" used to be a laugh. Now it's no joke.
>
> --
> DougW
>
>
#252
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: multi-culturalism
Operation Kratos (the authority on which we have a shoot to the head policy
to avoid hitting a bomb strapped round the torso), is an intelligence-led
system which requires them to identify the target in advance and take them
out. Clearly they took out their target very professionally (no criticism of
the officers at all), but someone in intell cocked up.
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
news:w6zEe.27333$mC.24246@okepread07...
> Dave Milne did pass the time by typing:
> > OTOH, it seems our intelligence is crap, as they admit they shot the
wrong
> > guy, and
> > there is some debate as to whether they gave any warning.
> >
> > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4711021.stm
> >
>
> The guy vaulted the ticket barrier and ran straight for the train.
>
> Given all that's gone on there I'd have shot him too.
>
> Then again if you go to any metro you find the odd person that
> jumps the gate. Some subways now use a checkpoint you can't jump.
>
> Some people feel the need to do stupid things at the wrong time.
> These days being stupid can get you killed.
>
> It's like security where I work. The signs that say "Deadly Force
> Authorized" used to be a laugh. Now it's no joke.
>
> --
> DougW
>
>
to avoid hitting a bomb strapped round the torso), is an intelligence-led
system which requires them to identify the target in advance and take them
out. Clearly they took out their target very professionally (no criticism of
the officers at all), but someone in intell cocked up.
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
news:w6zEe.27333$mC.24246@okepread07...
> Dave Milne did pass the time by typing:
> > OTOH, it seems our intelligence is crap, as they admit they shot the
wrong
> > guy, and
> > there is some debate as to whether they gave any warning.
> >
> > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4711021.stm
> >
>
> The guy vaulted the ticket barrier and ran straight for the train.
>
> Given all that's gone on there I'd have shot him too.
>
> Then again if you go to any metro you find the odd person that
> jumps the gate. Some subways now use a checkpoint you can't jump.
>
> Some people feel the need to do stupid things at the wrong time.
> These days being stupid can get you killed.
>
> It's like security where I work. The signs that say "Deadly Force
> Authorized" used to be a laugh. Now it's no joke.
>
> --
> DougW
>
>
#253
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: multi-culturalism
Operation Kratos (the authority on which we have a shoot to the head policy
to avoid hitting a bomb strapped round the torso), is an intelligence-led
system which requires them to identify the target in advance and take them
out. Clearly they took out their target very professionally (no criticism of
the officers at all), but someone in intell cocked up.
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
news:w6zEe.27333$mC.24246@okepread07...
> Dave Milne did pass the time by typing:
> > OTOH, it seems our intelligence is crap, as they admit they shot the
wrong
> > guy, and
> > there is some debate as to whether they gave any warning.
> >
> > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4711021.stm
> >
>
> The guy vaulted the ticket barrier and ran straight for the train.
>
> Given all that's gone on there I'd have shot him too.
>
> Then again if you go to any metro you find the odd person that
> jumps the gate. Some subways now use a checkpoint you can't jump.
>
> Some people feel the need to do stupid things at the wrong time.
> These days being stupid can get you killed.
>
> It's like security where I work. The signs that say "Deadly Force
> Authorized" used to be a laugh. Now it's no joke.
>
> --
> DougW
>
>
to avoid hitting a bomb strapped round the torso), is an intelligence-led
system which requires them to identify the target in advance and take them
out. Clearly they took out their target very professionally (no criticism of
the officers at all), but someone in intell cocked up.
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
news:w6zEe.27333$mC.24246@okepread07...
> Dave Milne did pass the time by typing:
> > OTOH, it seems our intelligence is crap, as they admit they shot the
wrong
> > guy, and
> > there is some debate as to whether they gave any warning.
> >
> > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4711021.stm
> >
>
> The guy vaulted the ticket barrier and ran straight for the train.
>
> Given all that's gone on there I'd have shot him too.
>
> Then again if you go to any metro you find the odd person that
> jumps the gate. Some subways now use a checkpoint you can't jump.
>
> Some people feel the need to do stupid things at the wrong time.
> These days being stupid can get you killed.
>
> It's like security where I work. The signs that say "Deadly Force
> Authorized" used to be a laugh. Now it's no joke.
>
> --
> DougW
>
>
#254
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: multi-culturalism
Dave,
I was sporadically listening to these reports during my camping /
off-roading visit to Canada. Part of the time the only radio reception was
a French station so I had some difficulty following their rapid speech
Several questions came to mind when this occurred.
It "seemed odd" that there was such a delay in the identification of the
man.
The contents of his rucksack and if anything was inside his coat was not
mentioned.
The following day's brief report that the man was "completely innocent" did
not address (or even mention) why he was in a house full of terrorists or
was wearing a winter coat in July, or that the police were acting within
current security rules of engagement.
No further mention of the victim's failure to comply with the 'police' order
to stop, his running away, or his jumping onto a train to elude the
'police'
The victims brother (also supposedly Brazilian) ,in an interview, did not
sound like any Brazilian (Portuguese) accent I have ever heard.
The whole story sounds fishy. Will we hear in a few days or weeks that this
--------- cell suspected they were being watched and sent a 'blocker' to
gauge the 'police' response while the real terrorists went out the back
door?
The truth may never be known. He may have been innocent. He may have been
a red herring. He may have been used by the 'police' as a warning or example
to terrorists. Hopefully he was not innocent and selected at random by the
police to be used as a warning.
For what it is worth I was happy to hear that the 'police' in a country
where the police do not carry guns were able to hit a target with 100%
accuracy.
"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:fizEe.75965$G8.66732@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk...
> Operation Kratos (the authority on which we have a shoot to the head
> policy
> to avoid hitting a bomb strapped round the torso), is an intelligence-led
> system which requires them to identify the target in advance and take them
> out. Clearly they took out their target very professionally (no criticism
> of
> the officers at all), but someone in intell cocked up.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>
> "DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
> news:w6zEe.27333$mC.24246@okepread07...
>> Dave Milne did pass the time by typing:
>> > OTOH, it seems our intelligence is crap, as they admit they shot the
> wrong
>> > guy, and
>> > there is some debate as to whether they gave any warning.
>> >
>> > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4711021.stm
>> >
>>
>> The guy vaulted the ticket barrier and ran straight for the train.
>>
>> Given all that's gone on there I'd have shot him too.
>>
>> Then again if you go to any metro you find the odd person that
>> jumps the gate. Some subways now use a checkpoint you can't jump.
>>
>> Some people feel the need to do stupid things at the wrong time.
>> These days being stupid can get you killed.
>>
>> It's like security where I work. The signs that say "Deadly Force
>> Authorized" used to be a laugh. Now it's no joke.
>>
>> --
>> DougW
>>
>>
>
>
I was sporadically listening to these reports during my camping /
off-roading visit to Canada. Part of the time the only radio reception was
a French station so I had some difficulty following their rapid speech
Several questions came to mind when this occurred.
It "seemed odd" that there was such a delay in the identification of the
man.
The contents of his rucksack and if anything was inside his coat was not
mentioned.
The following day's brief report that the man was "completely innocent" did
not address (or even mention) why he was in a house full of terrorists or
was wearing a winter coat in July, or that the police were acting within
current security rules of engagement.
No further mention of the victim's failure to comply with the 'police' order
to stop, his running away, or his jumping onto a train to elude the
'police'
The victims brother (also supposedly Brazilian) ,in an interview, did not
sound like any Brazilian (Portuguese) accent I have ever heard.
The whole story sounds fishy. Will we hear in a few days or weeks that this
--------- cell suspected they were being watched and sent a 'blocker' to
gauge the 'police' response while the real terrorists went out the back
door?
The truth may never be known. He may have been innocent. He may have been
a red herring. He may have been used by the 'police' as a warning or example
to terrorists. Hopefully he was not innocent and selected at random by the
police to be used as a warning.
For what it is worth I was happy to hear that the 'police' in a country
where the police do not carry guns were able to hit a target with 100%
accuracy.
"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:fizEe.75965$G8.66732@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk...
> Operation Kratos (the authority on which we have a shoot to the head
> policy
> to avoid hitting a bomb strapped round the torso), is an intelligence-led
> system which requires them to identify the target in advance and take them
> out. Clearly they took out their target very professionally (no criticism
> of
> the officers at all), but someone in intell cocked up.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>
> "DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
> news:w6zEe.27333$mC.24246@okepread07...
>> Dave Milne did pass the time by typing:
>> > OTOH, it seems our intelligence is crap, as they admit they shot the
> wrong
>> > guy, and
>> > there is some debate as to whether they gave any warning.
>> >
>> > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4711021.stm
>> >
>>
>> The guy vaulted the ticket barrier and ran straight for the train.
>>
>> Given all that's gone on there I'd have shot him too.
>>
>> Then again if you go to any metro you find the odd person that
>> jumps the gate. Some subways now use a checkpoint you can't jump.
>>
>> Some people feel the need to do stupid things at the wrong time.
>> These days being stupid can get you killed.
>>
>> It's like security where I work. The signs that say "Deadly Force
>> Authorized" used to be a laugh. Now it's no joke.
>>
>> --
>> DougW
>>
>>
>
>
#255
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: multi-culturalism
Dave,
I was sporadically listening to these reports during my camping /
off-roading visit to Canada. Part of the time the only radio reception was
a French station so I had some difficulty following their rapid speech
Several questions came to mind when this occurred.
It "seemed odd" that there was such a delay in the identification of the
man.
The contents of his rucksack and if anything was inside his coat was not
mentioned.
The following day's brief report that the man was "completely innocent" did
not address (or even mention) why he was in a house full of terrorists or
was wearing a winter coat in July, or that the police were acting within
current security rules of engagement.
No further mention of the victim's failure to comply with the 'police' order
to stop, his running away, or his jumping onto a train to elude the
'police'
The victims brother (also supposedly Brazilian) ,in an interview, did not
sound like any Brazilian (Portuguese) accent I have ever heard.
The whole story sounds fishy. Will we hear in a few days or weeks that this
--------- cell suspected they were being watched and sent a 'blocker' to
gauge the 'police' response while the real terrorists went out the back
door?
The truth may never be known. He may have been innocent. He may have been
a red herring. He may have been used by the 'police' as a warning or example
to terrorists. Hopefully he was not innocent and selected at random by the
police to be used as a warning.
For what it is worth I was happy to hear that the 'police' in a country
where the police do not carry guns were able to hit a target with 100%
accuracy.
"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:fizEe.75965$G8.66732@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk...
> Operation Kratos (the authority on which we have a shoot to the head
> policy
> to avoid hitting a bomb strapped round the torso), is an intelligence-led
> system which requires them to identify the target in advance and take them
> out. Clearly they took out their target very professionally (no criticism
> of
> the officers at all), but someone in intell cocked up.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>
> "DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
> news:w6zEe.27333$mC.24246@okepread07...
>> Dave Milne did pass the time by typing:
>> > OTOH, it seems our intelligence is crap, as they admit they shot the
> wrong
>> > guy, and
>> > there is some debate as to whether they gave any warning.
>> >
>> > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4711021.stm
>> >
>>
>> The guy vaulted the ticket barrier and ran straight for the train.
>>
>> Given all that's gone on there I'd have shot him too.
>>
>> Then again if you go to any metro you find the odd person that
>> jumps the gate. Some subways now use a checkpoint you can't jump.
>>
>> Some people feel the need to do stupid things at the wrong time.
>> These days being stupid can get you killed.
>>
>> It's like security where I work. The signs that say "Deadly Force
>> Authorized" used to be a laugh. Now it's no joke.
>>
>> --
>> DougW
>>
>>
>
>
I was sporadically listening to these reports during my camping /
off-roading visit to Canada. Part of the time the only radio reception was
a French station so I had some difficulty following their rapid speech
Several questions came to mind when this occurred.
It "seemed odd" that there was such a delay in the identification of the
man.
The contents of his rucksack and if anything was inside his coat was not
mentioned.
The following day's brief report that the man was "completely innocent" did
not address (or even mention) why he was in a house full of terrorists or
was wearing a winter coat in July, or that the police were acting within
current security rules of engagement.
No further mention of the victim's failure to comply with the 'police' order
to stop, his running away, or his jumping onto a train to elude the
'police'
The victims brother (also supposedly Brazilian) ,in an interview, did not
sound like any Brazilian (Portuguese) accent I have ever heard.
The whole story sounds fishy. Will we hear in a few days or weeks that this
--------- cell suspected they were being watched and sent a 'blocker' to
gauge the 'police' response while the real terrorists went out the back
door?
The truth may never be known. He may have been innocent. He may have been
a red herring. He may have been used by the 'police' as a warning or example
to terrorists. Hopefully he was not innocent and selected at random by the
police to be used as a warning.
For what it is worth I was happy to hear that the 'police' in a country
where the police do not carry guns were able to hit a target with 100%
accuracy.
"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:fizEe.75965$G8.66732@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk...
> Operation Kratos (the authority on which we have a shoot to the head
> policy
> to avoid hitting a bomb strapped round the torso), is an intelligence-led
> system which requires them to identify the target in advance and take them
> out. Clearly they took out their target very professionally (no criticism
> of
> the officers at all), but someone in intell cocked up.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>
> "DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
> news:w6zEe.27333$mC.24246@okepread07...
>> Dave Milne did pass the time by typing:
>> > OTOH, it seems our intelligence is crap, as they admit they shot the
> wrong
>> > guy, and
>> > there is some debate as to whether they gave any warning.
>> >
>> > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4711021.stm
>> >
>>
>> The guy vaulted the ticket barrier and ran straight for the train.
>>
>> Given all that's gone on there I'd have shot him too.
>>
>> Then again if you go to any metro you find the odd person that
>> jumps the gate. Some subways now use a checkpoint you can't jump.
>>
>> Some people feel the need to do stupid things at the wrong time.
>> These days being stupid can get you killed.
>>
>> It's like security where I work. The signs that say "Deadly Force
>> Authorized" used to be a laugh. Now it's no joke.
>>
>> --
>> DougW
>>
>>
>
>
#256
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: multi-culturalism
Dave,
I was sporadically listening to these reports during my camping /
off-roading visit to Canada. Part of the time the only radio reception was
a French station so I had some difficulty following their rapid speech
Several questions came to mind when this occurred.
It "seemed odd" that there was such a delay in the identification of the
man.
The contents of his rucksack and if anything was inside his coat was not
mentioned.
The following day's brief report that the man was "completely innocent" did
not address (or even mention) why he was in a house full of terrorists or
was wearing a winter coat in July, or that the police were acting within
current security rules of engagement.
No further mention of the victim's failure to comply with the 'police' order
to stop, his running away, or his jumping onto a train to elude the
'police'
The victims brother (also supposedly Brazilian) ,in an interview, did not
sound like any Brazilian (Portuguese) accent I have ever heard.
The whole story sounds fishy. Will we hear in a few days or weeks that this
--------- cell suspected they were being watched and sent a 'blocker' to
gauge the 'police' response while the real terrorists went out the back
door?
The truth may never be known. He may have been innocent. He may have been
a red herring. He may have been used by the 'police' as a warning or example
to terrorists. Hopefully he was not innocent and selected at random by the
police to be used as a warning.
For what it is worth I was happy to hear that the 'police' in a country
where the police do not carry guns were able to hit a target with 100%
accuracy.
"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:fizEe.75965$G8.66732@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk...
> Operation Kratos (the authority on which we have a shoot to the head
> policy
> to avoid hitting a bomb strapped round the torso), is an intelligence-led
> system which requires them to identify the target in advance and take them
> out. Clearly they took out their target very professionally (no criticism
> of
> the officers at all), but someone in intell cocked up.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>
> "DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
> news:w6zEe.27333$mC.24246@okepread07...
>> Dave Milne did pass the time by typing:
>> > OTOH, it seems our intelligence is crap, as they admit they shot the
> wrong
>> > guy, and
>> > there is some debate as to whether they gave any warning.
>> >
>> > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4711021.stm
>> >
>>
>> The guy vaulted the ticket barrier and ran straight for the train.
>>
>> Given all that's gone on there I'd have shot him too.
>>
>> Then again if you go to any metro you find the odd person that
>> jumps the gate. Some subways now use a checkpoint you can't jump.
>>
>> Some people feel the need to do stupid things at the wrong time.
>> These days being stupid can get you killed.
>>
>> It's like security where I work. The signs that say "Deadly Force
>> Authorized" used to be a laugh. Now it's no joke.
>>
>> --
>> DougW
>>
>>
>
>
I was sporadically listening to these reports during my camping /
off-roading visit to Canada. Part of the time the only radio reception was
a French station so I had some difficulty following their rapid speech
Several questions came to mind when this occurred.
It "seemed odd" that there was such a delay in the identification of the
man.
The contents of his rucksack and if anything was inside his coat was not
mentioned.
The following day's brief report that the man was "completely innocent" did
not address (or even mention) why he was in a house full of terrorists or
was wearing a winter coat in July, or that the police were acting within
current security rules of engagement.
No further mention of the victim's failure to comply with the 'police' order
to stop, his running away, or his jumping onto a train to elude the
'police'
The victims brother (also supposedly Brazilian) ,in an interview, did not
sound like any Brazilian (Portuguese) accent I have ever heard.
The whole story sounds fishy. Will we hear in a few days or weeks that this
--------- cell suspected they were being watched and sent a 'blocker' to
gauge the 'police' response while the real terrorists went out the back
door?
The truth may never be known. He may have been innocent. He may have been
a red herring. He may have been used by the 'police' as a warning or example
to terrorists. Hopefully he was not innocent and selected at random by the
police to be used as a warning.
For what it is worth I was happy to hear that the 'police' in a country
where the police do not carry guns were able to hit a target with 100%
accuracy.
"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:fizEe.75965$G8.66732@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk...
> Operation Kratos (the authority on which we have a shoot to the head
> policy
> to avoid hitting a bomb strapped round the torso), is an intelligence-led
> system which requires them to identify the target in advance and take them
> out. Clearly they took out their target very professionally (no criticism
> of
> the officers at all), but someone in intell cocked up.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>
> "DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
> news:w6zEe.27333$mC.24246@okepread07...
>> Dave Milne did pass the time by typing:
>> > OTOH, it seems our intelligence is crap, as they admit they shot the
> wrong
>> > guy, and
>> > there is some debate as to whether they gave any warning.
>> >
>> > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4711021.stm
>> >
>>
>> The guy vaulted the ticket barrier and ran straight for the train.
>>
>> Given all that's gone on there I'd have shot him too.
>>
>> Then again if you go to any metro you find the odd person that
>> jumps the gate. Some subways now use a checkpoint you can't jump.
>>
>> Some people feel the need to do stupid things at the wrong time.
>> These days being stupid can get you killed.
>>
>> It's like security where I work. The signs that say "Deadly Force
>> Authorized" used to be a laugh. Now it's no joke.
>>
>> --
>> DougW
>>
>>
>
>
#257
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: multi-culturalism
Dave,
I was sporadically listening to these reports during my camping /
off-roading visit to Canada. Part of the time the only radio reception was
a French station so I had some difficulty following their rapid speech
Several questions came to mind when this occurred.
It "seemed odd" that there was such a delay in the identification of the
man.
The contents of his rucksack and if anything was inside his coat was not
mentioned.
The following day's brief report that the man was "completely innocent" did
not address (or even mention) why he was in a house full of terrorists or
was wearing a winter coat in July, or that the police were acting within
current security rules of engagement.
No further mention of the victim's failure to comply with the 'police' order
to stop, his running away, or his jumping onto a train to elude the
'police'
The victims brother (also supposedly Brazilian) ,in an interview, did not
sound like any Brazilian (Portuguese) accent I have ever heard.
The whole story sounds fishy. Will we hear in a few days or weeks that this
--------- cell suspected they were being watched and sent a 'blocker' to
gauge the 'police' response while the real terrorists went out the back
door?
The truth may never be known. He may have been innocent. He may have been
a red herring. He may have been used by the 'police' as a warning or example
to terrorists. Hopefully he was not innocent and selected at random by the
police to be used as a warning.
For what it is worth I was happy to hear that the 'police' in a country
where the police do not carry guns were able to hit a target with 100%
accuracy.
"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:fizEe.75965$G8.66732@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk...
> Operation Kratos (the authority on which we have a shoot to the head
> policy
> to avoid hitting a bomb strapped round the torso), is an intelligence-led
> system which requires them to identify the target in advance and take them
> out. Clearly they took out their target very professionally (no criticism
> of
> the officers at all), but someone in intell cocked up.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>
> "DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
> news:w6zEe.27333$mC.24246@okepread07...
>> Dave Milne did pass the time by typing:
>> > OTOH, it seems our intelligence is crap, as they admit they shot the
> wrong
>> > guy, and
>> > there is some debate as to whether they gave any warning.
>> >
>> > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4711021.stm
>> >
>>
>> The guy vaulted the ticket barrier and ran straight for the train.
>>
>> Given all that's gone on there I'd have shot him too.
>>
>> Then again if you go to any metro you find the odd person that
>> jumps the gate. Some subways now use a checkpoint you can't jump.
>>
>> Some people feel the need to do stupid things at the wrong time.
>> These days being stupid can get you killed.
>>
>> It's like security where I work. The signs that say "Deadly Force
>> Authorized" used to be a laugh. Now it's no joke.
>>
>> --
>> DougW
>>
>>
>
>
I was sporadically listening to these reports during my camping /
off-roading visit to Canada. Part of the time the only radio reception was
a French station so I had some difficulty following their rapid speech
Several questions came to mind when this occurred.
It "seemed odd" that there was such a delay in the identification of the
man.
The contents of his rucksack and if anything was inside his coat was not
mentioned.
The following day's brief report that the man was "completely innocent" did
not address (or even mention) why he was in a house full of terrorists or
was wearing a winter coat in July, or that the police were acting within
current security rules of engagement.
No further mention of the victim's failure to comply with the 'police' order
to stop, his running away, or his jumping onto a train to elude the
'police'
The victims brother (also supposedly Brazilian) ,in an interview, did not
sound like any Brazilian (Portuguese) accent I have ever heard.
The whole story sounds fishy. Will we hear in a few days or weeks that this
--------- cell suspected they were being watched and sent a 'blocker' to
gauge the 'police' response while the real terrorists went out the back
door?
The truth may never be known. He may have been innocent. He may have been
a red herring. He may have been used by the 'police' as a warning or example
to terrorists. Hopefully he was not innocent and selected at random by the
police to be used as a warning.
For what it is worth I was happy to hear that the 'police' in a country
where the police do not carry guns were able to hit a target with 100%
accuracy.
"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:fizEe.75965$G8.66732@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk...
> Operation Kratos (the authority on which we have a shoot to the head
> policy
> to avoid hitting a bomb strapped round the torso), is an intelligence-led
> system which requires them to identify the target in advance and take them
> out. Clearly they took out their target very professionally (no criticism
> of
> the officers at all), but someone in intell cocked up.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>
> "DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
> news:w6zEe.27333$mC.24246@okepread07...
>> Dave Milne did pass the time by typing:
>> > OTOH, it seems our intelligence is crap, as they admit they shot the
> wrong
>> > guy, and
>> > there is some debate as to whether they gave any warning.
>> >
>> > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4711021.stm
>> >
>>
>> The guy vaulted the ticket barrier and ran straight for the train.
>>
>> Given all that's gone on there I'd have shot him too.
>>
>> Then again if you go to any metro you find the odd person that
>> jumps the gate. Some subways now use a checkpoint you can't jump.
>>
>> Some people feel the need to do stupid things at the wrong time.
>> These days being stupid can get you killed.
>>
>> It's like security where I work. The signs that say "Deadly Force
>> Authorized" used to be a laugh. Now it's no joke.
>>
>> --
>> DougW
>>
>>
>
>
#258
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Re: multi-culturalism
'political prisoners' ; they swiftly realised that they had better stop or
> else, and the misty-eyed "my great grandpappy was a leprechaun"
> Irish-Americans stopped funding them).
>
Weren't the Scots kinda upset about the British occupation of their country
for a while?
#259
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Re: multi-culturalism
'political prisoners' ; they swiftly realised that they had better stop or
> else, and the misty-eyed "my great grandpappy was a leprechaun"
> Irish-Americans stopped funding them).
>
Weren't the Scots kinda upset about the British occupation of their country
for a while?
#260
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: multi-culturalism
'political prisoners' ; they swiftly realised that they had better stop or
> else, and the misty-eyed "my great grandpappy was a leprechaun"
> Irish-Americans stopped funding them).
>
Weren't the Scots kinda upset about the British occupation of their country
for a while?