locking front axle on a TJ
07-17-2006, 12:01 PM
#31
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Posts: n/a
Re: locking front axle on a TJ
During snowstorms the majority of vehicles on the ditch here are
automobiles... and by the look of them belong to the 'no brakes-bald tire
brigade' that makes a mad dash to the store to stock up on beer and
cigarettes.
There are some 4WDs certainly in the ditches but they are just the opposite
in appearance as they are almost always brand-spanking new yuppie SUVs
(Lexus, BMW, Cadillac, Range Rover) who were out joy-riding in their first
snow.
"RoyJ" <spamless@microsoft.net> wrote in message
news:SXLug.595$bP5.423@newsread1.news.pas.earthlin k.net...
> I'm sure that your experinces in southern Californina make you an expert
> on PACKED snow and icy roads. If conditions are icy or snow packed like
> we see in suburban and rual roads for much of the winter, any
> locker/limited slip can lead to almost no steering control.
>
> As I said several posts back, with a front locker/linited slip and any
> reasonable turning radius, one wheel must be sliding since there is not
> traction to break the locker loose. So you only have ONE WHEEL rolling to
> help you go a different direction. This will change the handling from a
> mild (and maybe unnoticeable understeer) to complete uncontrolable
> understeer. Rear lockers will give you understeer, front lockers will give
> you more understeer.
>
> After every major snowstorm, the majority of vehicles in the ditch are
> 4wd. And each fall I retire my YJ with mud tires in favor of something
> with a longer wheelbase, AT tires, 4 wheel disk brakes, and antilock
> brakes. It's so much nicer to stop in a straight line or turn to avoid the
> other idiots rather than doing lazy 360's at 50 mph.
>
> Jerry Bransford wrote:
>> It is well known among those with a TJ that has a true neutral for the
>> front driveshaft when it is in 2wd that a front locker cannot be felt
>> when in 2wd. I have one in my front axle and it cannot (!) be felt in
>> 2wd. It drives just fine in snow and ice when in 2wd.
>>
>> RoyJ wrote:
>>
>>> No, but I have a YJ with axle disconnect so it wouldn't make any
>>> difference. If I put a locker in front I will leave the disconnect in
>>> place. Bogs in the summer and ice in the winter does not put a lot of
>>> torque on the axle.
>>>
>>> But I also run on ice and snow for 4 to 5 months per year. What works
>>> well on dirt/rocks/sand does not necessarily work on slick packed snow.
>>> Picture needing 4wd to get moving in a level and plowed parking lot.
>>> Then you need both front wheels rotating to get enough grip to turn. A
>>> locker/limited slip in the rear magnifies the issue.
>>>
>>> Jerry Bransford wrote:
>>>
>>>> Do you have one up front as I do?
>>>>
>>>> RoyJ wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> No, the lockright will lock the two axle half shafts together, give
>>>>> you a nasty case of understeer. You have the same issues with any
>>>>> locker or limited slip on the rear (referred to as the 'low side of
>>>>> the road finder') but on the front it automatically makes one wheel
>>>>> slip when you try to turn.
>>>>>
>>>>> It actually works slightly BETTER in 4wd because the 4wd tends to
>>>>> 'pull' the front over in the direction you want to go.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jerry Bransford wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> In 2wd, it would be perfectly fine. Only if he were in 4wd would the
>>>>>> front locker be so firmly locked that it would cause steering
>>>>>> problems on snow or ice.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jerry
>>>>>>
>>>>>> RoyJ wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> NO!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> sstonge11@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I would like to know if i put in a lockright unit in a dana 30
>>>>>>>> front
>>>>>>>> end off my 2000 tj if it would be drivebale on the road & in snow
>>>>>>>> thanks !
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>
automobiles... and by the look of them belong to the 'no brakes-bald tire
brigade' that makes a mad dash to the store to stock up on beer and
cigarettes.
There are some 4WDs certainly in the ditches but they are just the opposite
in appearance as they are almost always brand-spanking new yuppie SUVs
(Lexus, BMW, Cadillac, Range Rover) who were out joy-riding in their first
snow.
"RoyJ" <spamless@microsoft.net> wrote in message
news:SXLug.595$bP5.423@newsread1.news.pas.earthlin k.net...
> I'm sure that your experinces in southern Californina make you an expert
> on PACKED snow and icy roads. If conditions are icy or snow packed like
> we see in suburban and rual roads for much of the winter, any
> locker/limited slip can lead to almost no steering control.
>
> As I said several posts back, with a front locker/linited slip and any
> reasonable turning radius, one wheel must be sliding since there is not
> traction to break the locker loose. So you only have ONE WHEEL rolling to
> help you go a different direction. This will change the handling from a
> mild (and maybe unnoticeable understeer) to complete uncontrolable
> understeer. Rear lockers will give you understeer, front lockers will give
> you more understeer.
>
> After every major snowstorm, the majority of vehicles in the ditch are
> 4wd. And each fall I retire my YJ with mud tires in favor of something
> with a longer wheelbase, AT tires, 4 wheel disk brakes, and antilock
> brakes. It's so much nicer to stop in a straight line or turn to avoid the
> other idiots rather than doing lazy 360's at 50 mph.
>
> Jerry Bransford wrote:
>> It is well known among those with a TJ that has a true neutral for the
>> front driveshaft when it is in 2wd that a front locker cannot be felt
>> when in 2wd. I have one in my front axle and it cannot (!) be felt in
>> 2wd. It drives just fine in snow and ice when in 2wd.
>>
>> RoyJ wrote:
>>
>>> No, but I have a YJ with axle disconnect so it wouldn't make any
>>> difference. If I put a locker in front I will leave the disconnect in
>>> place. Bogs in the summer and ice in the winter does not put a lot of
>>> torque on the axle.
>>>
>>> But I also run on ice and snow for 4 to 5 months per year. What works
>>> well on dirt/rocks/sand does not necessarily work on slick packed snow.
>>> Picture needing 4wd to get moving in a level and plowed parking lot.
>>> Then you need both front wheels rotating to get enough grip to turn. A
>>> locker/limited slip in the rear magnifies the issue.
>>>
>>> Jerry Bransford wrote:
>>>
>>>> Do you have one up front as I do?
>>>>
>>>> RoyJ wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> No, the lockright will lock the two axle half shafts together, give
>>>>> you a nasty case of understeer. You have the same issues with any
>>>>> locker or limited slip on the rear (referred to as the 'low side of
>>>>> the road finder') but on the front it automatically makes one wheel
>>>>> slip when you try to turn.
>>>>>
>>>>> It actually works slightly BETTER in 4wd because the 4wd tends to
>>>>> 'pull' the front over in the direction you want to go.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jerry Bransford wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> In 2wd, it would be perfectly fine. Only if he were in 4wd would the
>>>>>> front locker be so firmly locked that it would cause steering
>>>>>> problems on snow or ice.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jerry
>>>>>>
>>>>>> RoyJ wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> NO!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> sstonge11@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I would like to know if i put in a lockright unit in a dana 30
>>>>>>>> front
>>>>>>>> end off my 2000 tj if it would be drivebale on the road & in snow
>>>>>>>> thanks !
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>
07-17-2006, 04:48 PM
#32
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Posts: n/a
Re: locking front axle on a TJ
I guess you just called me a d*****s for driving something that works
better than the SWB Wrangler in the kind of traffic I deal with for the
daily driver. Note the word TRAFFIC in the last sentence. I have no
trouble driving all by myself. But I learned long ago that mud tires are
not to be trusted on wet or slick roads.
Enough.
Earle Horton wrote:
> "RoyJ" <spamless@microsoft.net> wrote in message
> news:SXLug.595$bP5.423@newsread1.news.pas.earthlin k.net...
> ---snippy---
>
>>After every major snowstorm, the majority of vehicles in the ditch are
>>4wd. And each fall I retire my YJ with mud tires in favor of something
>
>
>
> That's just because the majority of people who buy these things are
> dumbasses. In the San Juan Mountains of SW Colorado, we get every kind of
> snow condition you can think of, and I drive my YJ through it all winter.
> Before that I drove it in the Pacific Northwest. Maybe you have a heavy
> foot.
>
> Earle
>
>
>>Jerry Bransford wrote:
>>
>>>It is well known among those with a TJ that has a true neutral for the
>>>front driveshaft when it is in 2wd that a front locker cannot be felt
>>>when in 2wd. I have one in my front axle and it cannot (!) be felt in
>>>2wd. It drives just fine in snow and ice when in 2wd.
>>>
>>>RoyJ wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>No, but I have a YJ with axle disconnect so it wouldn't make any
>>>>difference. If I put a locker in front I will leave the disconnect in
>>>>place. Bogs in the summer and ice in the winter does not put a lot of
>>>>torque on the axle.
>>>>
>>>>But I also run on ice and snow for 4 to 5 months per year. What works
>>>>well on dirt/rocks/sand does not necessarily work on slick packed
>>>>snow. Picture needing 4wd to get moving in a level and plowed parking
>>>>lot. Then you need both front wheels rotating to get enough grip to
>>>>turn. A locker/limited slip in the rear magnifies the issue.
>>>>
>>>>Jerry Bransford wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Do you have one up front as I do?
>>>>>
>>>>>RoyJ wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>No, the lockright will lock the two axle half shafts together, give
>>>>>>you a nasty case of understeer. You have the same issues with any
>>>>>>locker or limited slip on the rear (referred to as the 'low side of
>>>>>>the road finder') but on the front it automatically makes one wheel
>>>>>>slip when you try to turn.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>It actually works slightly BETTER in 4wd because the 4wd tends to
>>>>>>'pull' the front over in the direction you want to go.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Jerry Bransford wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>In 2wd, it would be perfectly fine. Only if he were in 4wd would
>>>>>>>the front locker be so firmly locked that it would cause steering
>>>>>>>problems on snow or ice.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Jerry
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>RoyJ wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>NO!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>sstonge11@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I would like to know if i put in a lockright unit in a dana 30
>
> front
>
>>>>>>>>>end off my 2000 tj if it would be drivebale on the road & in snow
>>>>>>>>>thanks !
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>
>
>
better than the SWB Wrangler in the kind of traffic I deal with for the
daily driver. Note the word TRAFFIC in the last sentence. I have no
trouble driving all by myself. But I learned long ago that mud tires are
not to be trusted on wet or slick roads.
Enough.
Earle Horton wrote:
> "RoyJ" <spamless@microsoft.net> wrote in message
> news:SXLug.595$bP5.423@newsread1.news.pas.earthlin k.net...
> ---snippy---
>
>>After every major snowstorm, the majority of vehicles in the ditch are
>>4wd. And each fall I retire my YJ with mud tires in favor of something
>
>
>
> That's just because the majority of people who buy these things are
> dumbasses. In the San Juan Mountains of SW Colorado, we get every kind of
> snow condition you can think of, and I drive my YJ through it all winter.
> Before that I drove it in the Pacific Northwest. Maybe you have a heavy
> foot.
>
> Earle
>
>
>>Jerry Bransford wrote:
>>
>>>It is well known among those with a TJ that has a true neutral for the
>>>front driveshaft when it is in 2wd that a front locker cannot be felt
>>>when in 2wd. I have one in my front axle and it cannot (!) be felt in
>>>2wd. It drives just fine in snow and ice when in 2wd.
>>>
>>>RoyJ wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>No, but I have a YJ with axle disconnect so it wouldn't make any
>>>>difference. If I put a locker in front I will leave the disconnect in
>>>>place. Bogs in the summer and ice in the winter does not put a lot of
>>>>torque on the axle.
>>>>
>>>>But I also run on ice and snow for 4 to 5 months per year. What works
>>>>well on dirt/rocks/sand does not necessarily work on slick packed
>>>>snow. Picture needing 4wd to get moving in a level and plowed parking
>>>>lot. Then you need both front wheels rotating to get enough grip to
>>>>turn. A locker/limited slip in the rear magnifies the issue.
>>>>
>>>>Jerry Bransford wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Do you have one up front as I do?
>>>>>
>>>>>RoyJ wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>No, the lockright will lock the two axle half shafts together, give
>>>>>>you a nasty case of understeer. You have the same issues with any
>>>>>>locker or limited slip on the rear (referred to as the 'low side of
>>>>>>the road finder') but on the front it automatically makes one wheel
>>>>>>slip when you try to turn.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>It actually works slightly BETTER in 4wd because the 4wd tends to
>>>>>>'pull' the front over in the direction you want to go.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Jerry Bransford wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>In 2wd, it would be perfectly fine. Only if he were in 4wd would
>>>>>>>the front locker be so firmly locked that it would cause steering
>>>>>>>problems on snow or ice.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Jerry
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>RoyJ wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>NO!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>sstonge11@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I would like to know if i put in a lockright unit in a dana 30
>
> front
>
>>>>>>>>>end off my 2000 tj if it would be drivebale on the road & in snow
>>>>>>>>>thanks !
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>
>
>
07-17-2006, 04:48 PM
#33
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: locking front axle on a TJ
I guess you just called me a d*****s for driving something that works
better than the SWB Wrangler in the kind of traffic I deal with for the
daily driver. Note the word TRAFFIC in the last sentence. I have no
trouble driving all by myself. But I learned long ago that mud tires are
not to be trusted on wet or slick roads.
Enough.
Earle Horton wrote:
> "RoyJ" <spamless@microsoft.net> wrote in message
> news:SXLug.595$bP5.423@newsread1.news.pas.earthlin k.net...
> ---snippy---
>
>>After every major snowstorm, the majority of vehicles in the ditch are
>>4wd. And each fall I retire my YJ with mud tires in favor of something
>
>
>
> That's just because the majority of people who buy these things are
> dumbasses. In the San Juan Mountains of SW Colorado, we get every kind of
> snow condition you can think of, and I drive my YJ through it all winter.
> Before that I drove it in the Pacific Northwest. Maybe you have a heavy
> foot.
>
> Earle
>
>
>>Jerry Bransford wrote:
>>
>>>It is well known among those with a TJ that has a true neutral for the
>>>front driveshaft when it is in 2wd that a front locker cannot be felt
>>>when in 2wd. I have one in my front axle and it cannot (!) be felt in
>>>2wd. It drives just fine in snow and ice when in 2wd.
>>>
>>>RoyJ wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>No, but I have a YJ with axle disconnect so it wouldn't make any
>>>>difference. If I put a locker in front I will leave the disconnect in
>>>>place. Bogs in the summer and ice in the winter does not put a lot of
>>>>torque on the axle.
>>>>
>>>>But I also run on ice and snow for 4 to 5 months per year. What works
>>>>well on dirt/rocks/sand does not necessarily work on slick packed
>>>>snow. Picture needing 4wd to get moving in a level and plowed parking
>>>>lot. Then you need both front wheels rotating to get enough grip to
>>>>turn. A locker/limited slip in the rear magnifies the issue.
>>>>
>>>>Jerry Bransford wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Do you have one up front as I do?
>>>>>
>>>>>RoyJ wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>No, the lockright will lock the two axle half shafts together, give
>>>>>>you a nasty case of understeer. You have the same issues with any
>>>>>>locker or limited slip on the rear (referred to as the 'low side of
>>>>>>the road finder') but on the front it automatically makes one wheel
>>>>>>slip when you try to turn.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>It actually works slightly BETTER in 4wd because the 4wd tends to
>>>>>>'pull' the front over in the direction you want to go.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Jerry Bransford wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>In 2wd, it would be perfectly fine. Only if he were in 4wd would
>>>>>>>the front locker be so firmly locked that it would cause steering
>>>>>>>problems on snow or ice.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Jerry
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>RoyJ wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>NO!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>sstonge11@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I would like to know if i put in a lockright unit in a dana 30
>
> front
>
>>>>>>>>>end off my 2000 tj if it would be drivebale on the road & in snow
>>>>>>>>>thanks !
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>
>
>
better than the SWB Wrangler in the kind of traffic I deal with for the
daily driver. Note the word TRAFFIC in the last sentence. I have no
trouble driving all by myself. But I learned long ago that mud tires are
not to be trusted on wet or slick roads.
Enough.
Earle Horton wrote:
> "RoyJ" <spamless@microsoft.net> wrote in message
> news:SXLug.595$bP5.423@newsread1.news.pas.earthlin k.net...
> ---snippy---
>
>>After every major snowstorm, the majority of vehicles in the ditch are
>>4wd. And each fall I retire my YJ with mud tires in favor of something
>
>
>
> That's just because the majority of people who buy these things are
> dumbasses. In the San Juan Mountains of SW Colorado, we get every kind of
> snow condition you can think of, and I drive my YJ through it all winter.
> Before that I drove it in the Pacific Northwest. Maybe you have a heavy
> foot.
>
> Earle
>
>
>>Jerry Bransford wrote:
>>
>>>It is well known among those with a TJ that has a true neutral for the
>>>front driveshaft when it is in 2wd that a front locker cannot be felt
>>>when in 2wd. I have one in my front axle and it cannot (!) be felt in
>>>2wd. It drives just fine in snow and ice when in 2wd.
>>>
>>>RoyJ wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>No, but I have a YJ with axle disconnect so it wouldn't make any
>>>>difference. If I put a locker in front I will leave the disconnect in
>>>>place. Bogs in the summer and ice in the winter does not put a lot of
>>>>torque on the axle.
>>>>
>>>>But I also run on ice and snow for 4 to 5 months per year. What works
>>>>well on dirt/rocks/sand does not necessarily work on slick packed
>>>>snow. Picture needing 4wd to get moving in a level and plowed parking
>>>>lot. Then you need both front wheels rotating to get enough grip to
>>>>turn. A locker/limited slip in the rear magnifies the issue.
>>>>
>>>>Jerry Bransford wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Do you have one up front as I do?
>>>>>
>>>>>RoyJ wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>No, the lockright will lock the two axle half shafts together, give
>>>>>>you a nasty case of understeer. You have the same issues with any
>>>>>>locker or limited slip on the rear (referred to as the 'low side of
>>>>>>the road finder') but on the front it automatically makes one wheel
>>>>>>slip when you try to turn.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>It actually works slightly BETTER in 4wd because the 4wd tends to
>>>>>>'pull' the front over in the direction you want to go.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Jerry Bransford wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>In 2wd, it would be perfectly fine. Only if he were in 4wd would
>>>>>>>the front locker be so firmly locked that it would cause steering
>>>>>>>problems on snow or ice.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Jerry
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>RoyJ wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>NO!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>sstonge11@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I would like to know if i put in a lockright unit in a dana 30
>
> front
>
>>>>>>>>>end off my 2000 tj if it would be drivebale on the road & in snow
>>>>>>>>>thanks !
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>
>
>
07-17-2006, 04:48 PM
#34
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: locking front axle on a TJ
I guess you just called me a d*****s for driving something that works
better than the SWB Wrangler in the kind of traffic I deal with for the
daily driver. Note the word TRAFFIC in the last sentence. I have no
trouble driving all by myself. But I learned long ago that mud tires are
not to be trusted on wet or slick roads.
Enough.
Earle Horton wrote:
> "RoyJ" <spamless@microsoft.net> wrote in message
> news:SXLug.595$bP5.423@newsread1.news.pas.earthlin k.net...
> ---snippy---
>
>>After every major snowstorm, the majority of vehicles in the ditch are
>>4wd. And each fall I retire my YJ with mud tires in favor of something
>
>
>
> That's just because the majority of people who buy these things are
> dumbasses. In the San Juan Mountains of SW Colorado, we get every kind of
> snow condition you can think of, and I drive my YJ through it all winter.
> Before that I drove it in the Pacific Northwest. Maybe you have a heavy
> foot.
>
> Earle
>
>
>>Jerry Bransford wrote:
>>
>>>It is well known among those with a TJ that has a true neutral for the
>>>front driveshaft when it is in 2wd that a front locker cannot be felt
>>>when in 2wd. I have one in my front axle and it cannot (!) be felt in
>>>2wd. It drives just fine in snow and ice when in 2wd.
>>>
>>>RoyJ wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>No, but I have a YJ with axle disconnect so it wouldn't make any
>>>>difference. If I put a locker in front I will leave the disconnect in
>>>>place. Bogs in the summer and ice in the winter does not put a lot of
>>>>torque on the axle.
>>>>
>>>>But I also run on ice and snow for 4 to 5 months per year. What works
>>>>well on dirt/rocks/sand does not necessarily work on slick packed
>>>>snow. Picture needing 4wd to get moving in a level and plowed parking
>>>>lot. Then you need both front wheels rotating to get enough grip to
>>>>turn. A locker/limited slip in the rear magnifies the issue.
>>>>
>>>>Jerry Bransford wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Do you have one up front as I do?
>>>>>
>>>>>RoyJ wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>No, the lockright will lock the two axle half shafts together, give
>>>>>>you a nasty case of understeer. You have the same issues with any
>>>>>>locker or limited slip on the rear (referred to as the 'low side of
>>>>>>the road finder') but on the front it automatically makes one wheel
>>>>>>slip when you try to turn.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>It actually works slightly BETTER in 4wd because the 4wd tends to
>>>>>>'pull' the front over in the direction you want to go.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Jerry Bransford wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>In 2wd, it would be perfectly fine. Only if he were in 4wd would
>>>>>>>the front locker be so firmly locked that it would cause steering
>>>>>>>problems on snow or ice.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Jerry
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>RoyJ wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>NO!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>sstonge11@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I would like to know if i put in a lockright unit in a dana 30
>
> front
>
>>>>>>>>>end off my 2000 tj if it would be drivebale on the road & in snow
>>>>>>>>>thanks !
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>
>
>
better than the SWB Wrangler in the kind of traffic I deal with for the
daily driver. Note the word TRAFFIC in the last sentence. I have no
trouble driving all by myself. But I learned long ago that mud tires are
not to be trusted on wet or slick roads.
Enough.
Earle Horton wrote:
> "RoyJ" <spamless@microsoft.net> wrote in message
> news:SXLug.595$bP5.423@newsread1.news.pas.earthlin k.net...
> ---snippy---
>
>>After every major snowstorm, the majority of vehicles in the ditch are
>>4wd. And each fall I retire my YJ with mud tires in favor of something
>
>
>
> That's just because the majority of people who buy these things are
> dumbasses. In the San Juan Mountains of SW Colorado, we get every kind of
> snow condition you can think of, and I drive my YJ through it all winter.
> Before that I drove it in the Pacific Northwest. Maybe you have a heavy
> foot.
>
> Earle
>
>
>>Jerry Bransford wrote:
>>
>>>It is well known among those with a TJ that has a true neutral for the
>>>front driveshaft when it is in 2wd that a front locker cannot be felt
>>>when in 2wd. I have one in my front axle and it cannot (!) be felt in
>>>2wd. It drives just fine in snow and ice when in 2wd.
>>>
>>>RoyJ wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>No, but I have a YJ with axle disconnect so it wouldn't make any
>>>>difference. If I put a locker in front I will leave the disconnect in
>>>>place. Bogs in the summer and ice in the winter does not put a lot of
>>>>torque on the axle.
>>>>
>>>>But I also run on ice and snow for 4 to 5 months per year. What works
>>>>well on dirt/rocks/sand does not necessarily work on slick packed
>>>>snow. Picture needing 4wd to get moving in a level and plowed parking
>>>>lot. Then you need both front wheels rotating to get enough grip to
>>>>turn. A locker/limited slip in the rear magnifies the issue.
>>>>
>>>>Jerry Bransford wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Do you have one up front as I do?
>>>>>
>>>>>RoyJ wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>No, the lockright will lock the two axle half shafts together, give
>>>>>>you a nasty case of understeer. You have the same issues with any
>>>>>>locker or limited slip on the rear (referred to as the 'low side of
>>>>>>the road finder') but on the front it automatically makes one wheel
>>>>>>slip when you try to turn.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>It actually works slightly BETTER in 4wd because the 4wd tends to
>>>>>>'pull' the front over in the direction you want to go.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Jerry Bransford wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>In 2wd, it would be perfectly fine. Only if he were in 4wd would
>>>>>>>the front locker be so firmly locked that it would cause steering
>>>>>>>problems on snow or ice.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Jerry
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>RoyJ wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>NO!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>sstonge11@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I would like to know if i put in a lockright unit in a dana 30
>
> front
>
>>>>>>>>>end off my 2000 tj if it would be drivebale on the road & in snow
>>>>>>>>>thanks !
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>
>
>
07-17-2006, 06:37 PM
#35
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Off Topic: Re: locking front axle on a TJ
I'm not believing your Ft. Collins is Best Place to Live '06:
http://www.ci.fort-collins.co.us/
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Earle Horton wrote:
>
> It's never enough. If you're driving in traffic, there's not much you can
> do about that, except to move to the country. Mud tires? The wheel and
> tire people would be glad to set you up with a set of winter wheels and
> tires that would be more suitable, but if you have another vehicle then
> that's just as good. I'm posting this just so people don't get the idea
> that the CJ/YJ/TJ is inherently a bad vehicle for snow.
>
> Earle
http://www.ci.fort-collins.co.us/
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Earle Horton wrote:
>
> It's never enough. If you're driving in traffic, there's not much you can
> do about that, except to move to the country. Mud tires? The wheel and
> tire people would be glad to set you up with a set of winter wheels and
> tires that would be more suitable, but if you have another vehicle then
> that's just as good. I'm posting this just so people don't get the idea
> that the CJ/YJ/TJ is inherently a bad vehicle for snow.
>
> Earle
07-17-2006, 06:37 PM
#36
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Off Topic: Re: locking front axle on a TJ
I'm not believing your Ft. Collins is Best Place to Live '06:
http://www.ci.fort-collins.co.us/
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Earle Horton wrote:
>
> It's never enough. If you're driving in traffic, there's not much you can
> do about that, except to move to the country. Mud tires? The wheel and
> tire people would be glad to set you up with a set of winter wheels and
> tires that would be more suitable, but if you have another vehicle then
> that's just as good. I'm posting this just so people don't get the idea
> that the CJ/YJ/TJ is inherently a bad vehicle for snow.
>
> Earle
http://www.ci.fort-collins.co.us/
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Earle Horton wrote:
>
> It's never enough. If you're driving in traffic, there's not much you can
> do about that, except to move to the country. Mud tires? The wheel and
> tire people would be glad to set you up with a set of winter wheels and
> tires that would be more suitable, but if you have another vehicle then
> that's just as good. I'm posting this just so people don't get the idea
> that the CJ/YJ/TJ is inherently a bad vehicle for snow.
>
> Earle
07-17-2006, 06:37 PM
#37
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Off Topic: Re: locking front axle on a TJ
I'm not believing your Ft. Collins is Best Place to Live '06:
http://www.ci.fort-collins.co.us/
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Earle Horton wrote:
>
> It's never enough. If you're driving in traffic, there's not much you can
> do about that, except to move to the country. Mud tires? The wheel and
> tire people would be glad to set you up with a set of winter wheels and
> tires that would be more suitable, but if you have another vehicle then
> that's just as good. I'm posting this just so people don't get the idea
> that the CJ/YJ/TJ is inherently a bad vehicle for snow.
>
> Earle
http://www.ci.fort-collins.co.us/
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Earle Horton wrote:
>
> It's never enough. If you're driving in traffic, there's not much you can
> do about that, except to move to the country. Mud tires? The wheel and
> tire people would be glad to set you up with a set of winter wheels and
> tires that would be more suitable, but if you have another vehicle then
> that's just as good. I'm posting this just so people don't get the idea
> that the CJ/YJ/TJ is inherently a bad vehicle for snow.
>
> Earle
07-17-2006, 06:47 PM
#38
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Re: locking front axle on a TJ
It's never enough. If you're driving in traffic, there's not much you can
do about that, except to move to the country. Mud tires? The wheel and
tire people would be glad to set you up with a set of winter wheels and
tires that would be more suitable, but if you have another vehicle then
that's just as good. I'm posting this just so people don't get the idea
that the CJ/YJ/TJ is inherently a bad vehicle for snow.
Earle
"RoyJ" <spamless@microsoft.net> wrote in message
news:5ISug.778$bP5.73@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink .net...
> I guess you just called me a d*****s for driving something that works
> better than the SWB Wrangler in the kind of traffic I deal with for the
> daily driver. Note the word TRAFFIC in the last sentence. I have no
> trouble driving all by myself. But I learned long ago that mud tires are
> not to be trusted on wet or slick roads.
>
> Enough.
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
>
> > "RoyJ" <spamless@microsoft.net> wrote in message
> > news:SXLug.595$bP5.423@newsread1.news.pas.earthlin k.net...
> > ---snippy---
> >
> >>After every major snowstorm, the majority of vehicles in the ditch are
> >>4wd. And each fall I retire my YJ with mud tires in favor of something
> >
> >
> >
> > That's just because the majority of people who buy these things are
> > dumbasses. In the San Juan Mountains of SW Colorado, we get every kind
of
> > snow condition you can think of, and I drive my YJ through it all
winter.
> > Before that I drove it in the Pacific Northwest. Maybe you have a heavy
> > foot.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> >
> >>Jerry Bransford wrote:
> >>
> >>>It is well known among those with a TJ that has a true neutral for the
> >>>front driveshaft when it is in 2wd that a front locker cannot be felt
> >>>when in 2wd. I have one in my front axle and it cannot (!) be felt in
> >>>2wd. It drives just fine in snow and ice when in 2wd.
> >>>
> >>>RoyJ wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>No, but I have a YJ with axle disconnect so it wouldn't make any
> >>>>difference. If I put a locker in front I will leave the disconnect in
> >>>>place. Bogs in the summer and ice in the winter does not put a lot of
> >>>>torque on the axle.
> >>>>
> >>>>But I also run on ice and snow for 4 to 5 months per year. What works
> >>>>well on dirt/rocks/sand does not necessarily work on slick packed
> >>>>snow. Picture needing 4wd to get moving in a level and plowed parking
> >>>>lot. Then you need both front wheels rotating to get enough grip to
> >>>>turn. A locker/limited slip in the rear magnifies the issue.
> >>>>
> >>>>Jerry Bransford wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>Do you have one up front as I do?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>RoyJ wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>No, the lockright will lock the two axle half shafts together, give
> >>>>>>you a nasty case of understeer. You have the same issues with any
> >>>>>>locker or limited slip on the rear (referred to as the 'low side of
> >>>>>>the road finder') but on the front it automatically makes one wheel
> >>>>>>slip when you try to turn.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>It actually works slightly BETTER in 4wd because the 4wd tends to
> >>>>>>'pull' the front over in the direction you want to go.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Jerry Bransford wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>In 2wd, it would be perfectly fine. Only if he were in 4wd would
> >>>>>>>the front locker be so firmly locked that it would cause steering
> >>>>>>>problems on snow or ice.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Jerry
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>RoyJ wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>NO!
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>sstonge11@hotmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>I would like to know if i put in a lockright unit in a dana 30
> >
> > front
> >
> >>>>>>>>>end off my 2000 tj if it would be drivebale on the road & in snow
> >>>>>>>>>thanks !
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >
> >
> >
do about that, except to move to the country. Mud tires? The wheel and
tire people would be glad to set you up with a set of winter wheels and
tires that would be more suitable, but if you have another vehicle then
that's just as good. I'm posting this just so people don't get the idea
that the CJ/YJ/TJ is inherently a bad vehicle for snow.
Earle
"RoyJ" <spamless@microsoft.net> wrote in message
news:5ISug.778$bP5.73@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink .net...
> I guess you just called me a d*****s for driving something that works
> better than the SWB Wrangler in the kind of traffic I deal with for the
> daily driver. Note the word TRAFFIC in the last sentence. I have no
> trouble driving all by myself. But I learned long ago that mud tires are
> not to be trusted on wet or slick roads.
>
> Enough.
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
>
> > "RoyJ" <spamless@microsoft.net> wrote in message
> > news:SXLug.595$bP5.423@newsread1.news.pas.earthlin k.net...
> > ---snippy---
> >
> >>After every major snowstorm, the majority of vehicles in the ditch are
> >>4wd. And each fall I retire my YJ with mud tires in favor of something
> >
> >
> >
> > That's just because the majority of people who buy these things are
> > dumbasses. In the San Juan Mountains of SW Colorado, we get every kind
of
> > snow condition you can think of, and I drive my YJ through it all
winter.
> > Before that I drove it in the Pacific Northwest. Maybe you have a heavy
> > foot.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> >
> >>Jerry Bransford wrote:
> >>
> >>>It is well known among those with a TJ that has a true neutral for the
> >>>front driveshaft when it is in 2wd that a front locker cannot be felt
> >>>when in 2wd. I have one in my front axle and it cannot (!) be felt in
> >>>2wd. It drives just fine in snow and ice when in 2wd.
> >>>
> >>>RoyJ wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>No, but I have a YJ with axle disconnect so it wouldn't make any
> >>>>difference. If I put a locker in front I will leave the disconnect in
> >>>>place. Bogs in the summer and ice in the winter does not put a lot of
> >>>>torque on the axle.
> >>>>
> >>>>But I also run on ice and snow for 4 to 5 months per year. What works
> >>>>well on dirt/rocks/sand does not necessarily work on slick packed
> >>>>snow. Picture needing 4wd to get moving in a level and plowed parking
> >>>>lot. Then you need both front wheels rotating to get enough grip to
> >>>>turn. A locker/limited slip in the rear magnifies the issue.
> >>>>
> >>>>Jerry Bransford wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>Do you have one up front as I do?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>RoyJ wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>No, the lockright will lock the two axle half shafts together, give
> >>>>>>you a nasty case of understeer. You have the same issues with any
> >>>>>>locker or limited slip on the rear (referred to as the 'low side of
> >>>>>>the road finder') but on the front it automatically makes one wheel
> >>>>>>slip when you try to turn.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>It actually works slightly BETTER in 4wd because the 4wd tends to
> >>>>>>'pull' the front over in the direction you want to go.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Jerry Bransford wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>In 2wd, it would be perfectly fine. Only if he were in 4wd would
> >>>>>>>the front locker be so firmly locked that it would cause steering
> >>>>>>>problems on snow or ice.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Jerry
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>RoyJ wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>NO!
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>sstonge11@hotmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>I would like to know if i put in a lockright unit in a dana 30
> >
> > front
> >
> >>>>>>>>>end off my 2000 tj if it would be drivebale on the road & in snow
> >>>>>>>>>thanks !
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >
> >
> >
07-17-2006, 06:47 PM
#39
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: locking front axle on a TJ
It's never enough. If you're driving in traffic, there's not much you can
do about that, except to move to the country. Mud tires? The wheel and
tire people would be glad to set you up with a set of winter wheels and
tires that would be more suitable, but if you have another vehicle then
that's just as good. I'm posting this just so people don't get the idea
that the CJ/YJ/TJ is inherently a bad vehicle for snow.
Earle
"RoyJ" <spamless@microsoft.net> wrote in message
news:5ISug.778$bP5.73@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink .net...
> I guess you just called me a d*****s for driving something that works
> better than the SWB Wrangler in the kind of traffic I deal with for the
> daily driver. Note the word TRAFFIC in the last sentence. I have no
> trouble driving all by myself. But I learned long ago that mud tires are
> not to be trusted on wet or slick roads.
>
> Enough.
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
>
> > "RoyJ" <spamless@microsoft.net> wrote in message
> > news:SXLug.595$bP5.423@newsread1.news.pas.earthlin k.net...
> > ---snippy---
> >
> >>After every major snowstorm, the majority of vehicles in the ditch are
> >>4wd. And each fall I retire my YJ with mud tires in favor of something
> >
> >
> >
> > That's just because the majority of people who buy these things are
> > dumbasses. In the San Juan Mountains of SW Colorado, we get every kind
of
> > snow condition you can think of, and I drive my YJ through it all
winter.
> > Before that I drove it in the Pacific Northwest. Maybe you have a heavy
> > foot.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> >
> >>Jerry Bransford wrote:
> >>
> >>>It is well known among those with a TJ that has a true neutral for the
> >>>front driveshaft when it is in 2wd that a front locker cannot be felt
> >>>when in 2wd. I have one in my front axle and it cannot (!) be felt in
> >>>2wd. It drives just fine in snow and ice when in 2wd.
> >>>
> >>>RoyJ wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>No, but I have a YJ with axle disconnect so it wouldn't make any
> >>>>difference. If I put a locker in front I will leave the disconnect in
> >>>>place. Bogs in the summer and ice in the winter does not put a lot of
> >>>>torque on the axle.
> >>>>
> >>>>But I also run on ice and snow for 4 to 5 months per year. What works
> >>>>well on dirt/rocks/sand does not necessarily work on slick packed
> >>>>snow. Picture needing 4wd to get moving in a level and plowed parking
> >>>>lot. Then you need both front wheels rotating to get enough grip to
> >>>>turn. A locker/limited slip in the rear magnifies the issue.
> >>>>
> >>>>Jerry Bransford wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>Do you have one up front as I do?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>RoyJ wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>No, the lockright will lock the two axle half shafts together, give
> >>>>>>you a nasty case of understeer. You have the same issues with any
> >>>>>>locker or limited slip on the rear (referred to as the 'low side of
> >>>>>>the road finder') but on the front it automatically makes one wheel
> >>>>>>slip when you try to turn.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>It actually works slightly BETTER in 4wd because the 4wd tends to
> >>>>>>'pull' the front over in the direction you want to go.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Jerry Bransford wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>In 2wd, it would be perfectly fine. Only if he were in 4wd would
> >>>>>>>the front locker be so firmly locked that it would cause steering
> >>>>>>>problems on snow or ice.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Jerry
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>RoyJ wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>NO!
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>sstonge11@hotmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>I would like to know if i put in a lockright unit in a dana 30
> >
> > front
> >
> >>>>>>>>>end off my 2000 tj if it would be drivebale on the road & in snow
> >>>>>>>>>thanks !
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >
> >
> >
do about that, except to move to the country. Mud tires? The wheel and
tire people would be glad to set you up with a set of winter wheels and
tires that would be more suitable, but if you have another vehicle then
that's just as good. I'm posting this just so people don't get the idea
that the CJ/YJ/TJ is inherently a bad vehicle for snow.
Earle
"RoyJ" <spamless@microsoft.net> wrote in message
news:5ISug.778$bP5.73@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink .net...
> I guess you just called me a d*****s for driving something that works
> better than the SWB Wrangler in the kind of traffic I deal with for the
> daily driver. Note the word TRAFFIC in the last sentence. I have no
> trouble driving all by myself. But I learned long ago that mud tires are
> not to be trusted on wet or slick roads.
>
> Enough.
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
>
> > "RoyJ" <spamless@microsoft.net> wrote in message
> > news:SXLug.595$bP5.423@newsread1.news.pas.earthlin k.net...
> > ---snippy---
> >
> >>After every major snowstorm, the majority of vehicles in the ditch are
> >>4wd. And each fall I retire my YJ with mud tires in favor of something
> >
> >
> >
> > That's just because the majority of people who buy these things are
> > dumbasses. In the San Juan Mountains of SW Colorado, we get every kind
of
> > snow condition you can think of, and I drive my YJ through it all
winter.
> > Before that I drove it in the Pacific Northwest. Maybe you have a heavy
> > foot.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> >
> >>Jerry Bransford wrote:
> >>
> >>>It is well known among those with a TJ that has a true neutral for the
> >>>front driveshaft when it is in 2wd that a front locker cannot be felt
> >>>when in 2wd. I have one in my front axle and it cannot (!) be felt in
> >>>2wd. It drives just fine in snow and ice when in 2wd.
> >>>
> >>>RoyJ wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>No, but I have a YJ with axle disconnect so it wouldn't make any
> >>>>difference. If I put a locker in front I will leave the disconnect in
> >>>>place. Bogs in the summer and ice in the winter does not put a lot of
> >>>>torque on the axle.
> >>>>
> >>>>But I also run on ice and snow for 4 to 5 months per year. What works
> >>>>well on dirt/rocks/sand does not necessarily work on slick packed
> >>>>snow. Picture needing 4wd to get moving in a level and plowed parking
> >>>>lot. Then you need both front wheels rotating to get enough grip to
> >>>>turn. A locker/limited slip in the rear magnifies the issue.
> >>>>
> >>>>Jerry Bransford wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>Do you have one up front as I do?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>RoyJ wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>No, the lockright will lock the two axle half shafts together, give
> >>>>>>you a nasty case of understeer. You have the same issues with any
> >>>>>>locker or limited slip on the rear (referred to as the 'low side of
> >>>>>>the road finder') but on the front it automatically makes one wheel
> >>>>>>slip when you try to turn.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>It actually works slightly BETTER in 4wd because the 4wd tends to
> >>>>>>'pull' the front over in the direction you want to go.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Jerry Bransford wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>In 2wd, it would be perfectly fine. Only if he were in 4wd would
> >>>>>>>the front locker be so firmly locked that it would cause steering
> >>>>>>>problems on snow or ice.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Jerry
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>RoyJ wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>NO!
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>sstonge11@hotmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>I would like to know if i put in a lockright unit in a dana 30
> >
> > front
> >
> >>>>>>>>>end off my 2000 tj if it would be drivebale on the road & in snow
> >>>>>>>>>thanks !
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >
> >
> >
07-17-2006, 06:47 PM
#40
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: locking front axle on a TJ
It's never enough. If you're driving in traffic, there's not much you can
do about that, except to move to the country. Mud tires? The wheel and
tire people would be glad to set you up with a set of winter wheels and
tires that would be more suitable, but if you have another vehicle then
that's just as good. I'm posting this just so people don't get the idea
that the CJ/YJ/TJ is inherently a bad vehicle for snow.
Earle
"RoyJ" <spamless@microsoft.net> wrote in message
news:5ISug.778$bP5.73@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink .net...
> I guess you just called me a d*****s for driving something that works
> better than the SWB Wrangler in the kind of traffic I deal with for the
> daily driver. Note the word TRAFFIC in the last sentence. I have no
> trouble driving all by myself. But I learned long ago that mud tires are
> not to be trusted on wet or slick roads.
>
> Enough.
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
>
> > "RoyJ" <spamless@microsoft.net> wrote in message
> > news:SXLug.595$bP5.423@newsread1.news.pas.earthlin k.net...
> > ---snippy---
> >
> >>After every major snowstorm, the majority of vehicles in the ditch are
> >>4wd. And each fall I retire my YJ with mud tires in favor of something
> >
> >
> >
> > That's just because the majority of people who buy these things are
> > dumbasses. In the San Juan Mountains of SW Colorado, we get every kind
of
> > snow condition you can think of, and I drive my YJ through it all
winter.
> > Before that I drove it in the Pacific Northwest. Maybe you have a heavy
> > foot.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> >
> >>Jerry Bransford wrote:
> >>
> >>>It is well known among those with a TJ that has a true neutral for the
> >>>front driveshaft when it is in 2wd that a front locker cannot be felt
> >>>when in 2wd. I have one in my front axle and it cannot (!) be felt in
> >>>2wd. It drives just fine in snow and ice when in 2wd.
> >>>
> >>>RoyJ wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>No, but I have a YJ with axle disconnect so it wouldn't make any
> >>>>difference. If I put a locker in front I will leave the disconnect in
> >>>>place. Bogs in the summer and ice in the winter does not put a lot of
> >>>>torque on the axle.
> >>>>
> >>>>But I also run on ice and snow for 4 to 5 months per year. What works
> >>>>well on dirt/rocks/sand does not necessarily work on slick packed
> >>>>snow. Picture needing 4wd to get moving in a level and plowed parking
> >>>>lot. Then you need both front wheels rotating to get enough grip to
> >>>>turn. A locker/limited slip in the rear magnifies the issue.
> >>>>
> >>>>Jerry Bransford wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>Do you have one up front as I do?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>RoyJ wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>No, the lockright will lock the two axle half shafts together, give
> >>>>>>you a nasty case of understeer. You have the same issues with any
> >>>>>>locker or limited slip on the rear (referred to as the 'low side of
> >>>>>>the road finder') but on the front it automatically makes one wheel
> >>>>>>slip when you try to turn.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>It actually works slightly BETTER in 4wd because the 4wd tends to
> >>>>>>'pull' the front over in the direction you want to go.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Jerry Bransford wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>In 2wd, it would be perfectly fine. Only if he were in 4wd would
> >>>>>>>the front locker be so firmly locked that it would cause steering
> >>>>>>>problems on snow or ice.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Jerry
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>RoyJ wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>NO!
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>sstonge11@hotmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>I would like to know if i put in a lockright unit in a dana 30
> >
> > front
> >
> >>>>>>>>>end off my 2000 tj if it would be drivebale on the road & in snow
> >>>>>>>>>thanks !
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >
> >
> >
do about that, except to move to the country. Mud tires? The wheel and
tire people would be glad to set you up with a set of winter wheels and
tires that would be more suitable, but if you have another vehicle then
that's just as good. I'm posting this just so people don't get the idea
that the CJ/YJ/TJ is inherently a bad vehicle for snow.
Earle
"RoyJ" <spamless@microsoft.net> wrote in message
news:5ISug.778$bP5.73@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink .net...
> I guess you just called me a d*****s for driving something that works
> better than the SWB Wrangler in the kind of traffic I deal with for the
> daily driver. Note the word TRAFFIC in the last sentence. I have no
> trouble driving all by myself. But I learned long ago that mud tires are
> not to be trusted on wet or slick roads.
>
> Enough.
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
>
> > "RoyJ" <spamless@microsoft.net> wrote in message
> > news:SXLug.595$bP5.423@newsread1.news.pas.earthlin k.net...
> > ---snippy---
> >
> >>After every major snowstorm, the majority of vehicles in the ditch are
> >>4wd. And each fall I retire my YJ with mud tires in favor of something
> >
> >
> >
> > That's just because the majority of people who buy these things are
> > dumbasses. In the San Juan Mountains of SW Colorado, we get every kind
of
> > snow condition you can think of, and I drive my YJ through it all
winter.
> > Before that I drove it in the Pacific Northwest. Maybe you have a heavy
> > foot.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> >
> >>Jerry Bransford wrote:
> >>
> >>>It is well known among those with a TJ that has a true neutral for the
> >>>front driveshaft when it is in 2wd that a front locker cannot be felt
> >>>when in 2wd. I have one in my front axle and it cannot (!) be felt in
> >>>2wd. It drives just fine in snow and ice when in 2wd.
> >>>
> >>>RoyJ wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>No, but I have a YJ with axle disconnect so it wouldn't make any
> >>>>difference. If I put a locker in front I will leave the disconnect in
> >>>>place. Bogs in the summer and ice in the winter does not put a lot of
> >>>>torque on the axle.
> >>>>
> >>>>But I also run on ice and snow for 4 to 5 months per year. What works
> >>>>well on dirt/rocks/sand does not necessarily work on slick packed
> >>>>snow. Picture needing 4wd to get moving in a level and plowed parking
> >>>>lot. Then you need both front wheels rotating to get enough grip to
> >>>>turn. A locker/limited slip in the rear magnifies the issue.
> >>>>
> >>>>Jerry Bransford wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>Do you have one up front as I do?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>RoyJ wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>No, the lockright will lock the two axle half shafts together, give
> >>>>>>you a nasty case of understeer. You have the same issues with any
> >>>>>>locker or limited slip on the rear (referred to as the 'low side of
> >>>>>>the road finder') but on the front it automatically makes one wheel
> >>>>>>slip when you try to turn.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>It actually works slightly BETTER in 4wd because the 4wd tends to
> >>>>>>'pull' the front over in the direction you want to go.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Jerry Bransford wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>In 2wd, it would be perfectly fine. Only if he were in 4wd would
> >>>>>>>the front locker be so firmly locked that it would cause steering
> >>>>>>>problems on snow or ice.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Jerry
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>RoyJ wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>NO!
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>sstonge11@hotmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>I would like to know if i put in a lockright unit in a dana 30
> >
> > front
> >
> >>>>>>>>>end off my 2000 tj if it would be drivebale on the road & in snow
> >>>>>>>>>thanks !
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >
> >
> >
