JimG

You have a "limited slip" differential.

To me, the term "locker" is reserved for no-slip, locked differentials.


--
JimG
80' CJ-7 258 CID
35" BFG MT on 15x10 Centerlines
D44 Rear, Dana 30 Front. SOA
4.56 Gears, LockRight F&R
Dana 300 w/4:1 & Currie twin sticks
Warn X8000i w/ dual batteries

"HarryS" <harry-s@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:NJudneDYI_kv67Td4p2dnA@comcast.com...
> My new 04 Sahara came with a rear locker from the factory.
>
> --
> HarryS
> JAFGBR
> "Robert" <robertr357@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:FrbWb.2193$ng6.138@fe2.texas.rr.com...
> > Hello. I have a question about lockers. A co worker says that putting
> > lockers on my Jeep (TJ) is a bad idea. Especially the rear. He says that
I
> > will mess up the rear axle of the Jeep because of the pavement. Would
> > putting lockers on my Jeep all the way around be a terrible mistake?
> Thanks
> > in advance.
> >
> > Robert Reyes
> >
> >
>
>

JimG

I differ with your response:

I don't consider the clutch device as a "locker" - they are "limited slip".
As you say "Clutch lockers have a tendency to slip a little bit".

--
JimG
80' CJ-7 258 CID
35" BFG MT on 15x10 Centerlines
D44 Rear, Dana 30 Front. SOA
4.56 Gears, LockRight F&R
Dana 300 w/4:1 & Currie twin sticks
Warn X8000i w/ dual batteries

"Jeff Ramsey" <ramsejc-nospam@tubafor.com> wrote in message
news:20040210141806612-0800@news.myhome.net...
> In <4029481A.F990FB1C@***.net> L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
> > Hi Robert,
> > Your friend may be right if you have the puny Dana 35c:
> > http://www.----------.com/dana35c/ Otherwise some lockers are a
> > learning experience: http://www.----------.com/differential.htm
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:--------------------
> >
> > Robert wrote:
> >>
> >> Hello. I have a question about lockers. A co worker says that putting
> >> lockers on my Jeep (TJ) is a bad idea. Especially the rear. He says
> >> that I will mess up the rear axle of the Jeep because of the pavement.
> >> Would putting lockers on my Jeep all the way around be a terrible
> >> mistake? Thanks in advance. Robert Reyes
> >
>
> Lockers fall into a couple of very different catagories: Clutch, Gear,
> and Selectable. Clutch lockers have a tendacy to slip a little bit when
> in hard-core offroad use, but are a little more forgiving on the
> pavement than Gear lockers. They also suffer from wear under even
> minimum useage. Gear lockers are the ones that your cow-orker is likely
> referring to. They tend to lock up around corners on pavement as do
> clutch lockers, however they offer no chance of slipping while locked,
> which sometimes results in a hopping of the back end of the vehicle.
> Chirping tires and vibration is about the extent of this on dry pavement,
> on icy pavement, look out! Gear lockers are a stronger, longer lasting
> part than clutch lockers. The third kind of locker, the selectable,
> offer the best of both worlds, if you don't mind taking out a second
> morgage to purchase them. With a selectable, you can turn the locker on
> or off with a switch. Detroit and Eaton make an electronic selectable,
> ARB Air Lockers use an air compressor to lock, and I think OxTrax is
> still making their cable selectable OXLocker.
>
> As with Bill ------'s posting, any of these types of lockers are fine
> to use on pavement, if you don't mind relearning how your vehicle
> handles on the road. There are axle upgrade kits that you can buy for
> almost any axle to counter act the extra wear and tear that a locker
> would have on your axles. Superior Axle and Gear has some well-respected
> upgrade axles for a Dana 35c. For a review, see < http://www.
> tandjperformance.com/products-driveline-superior.htm > The wear on your
> tires is not avoidable, and the handling difference is going to take
> some getting used to. But it can be done.
>
> As for driving on pavement with a locker, my friend has driven with
> locked rear diffs since he was a little kid, and he would not think
> twice about driving a locked rig on any pavement. I have very limited
> experience driving with locked rear diffs, and I'm not as comfortable.
> If I'm on icy pavement, I'd choose not to have a locked diff. I bought
> the ARB air lockers for the front and rear of my 48 ******. I plan on
> being off road a lot more often than on pavement, and I don't do any
> hiway driving on a daily basis, but in the winter months, I'd have to
> drive on the icy hiway once or twice minimum, so I needed to be able to
> 'turn off' the lockers. It cost me a lot more, but in the end, I'm not
> turning my jeep into a tow-only rig for three months out of the year,
> and I can still drive in the harshest offroad conditions. (Well, if I
> had any driving skills I could. My jeep won't leave me stranded anyway...)
(
> Sorry if I went off on a rant here, but I spent the last six months,
> driving different types of lockers and spools, and reading to great
> lengths about this stuff.)
>
> --
> Jeff Ramsey
> ramsejc(no-spam)@tubafor.com

JimG

I differ with your response:

I don't consider the clutch device as a "locker" - they are "limited slip".
As you say "Clutch lockers have a tendency to slip a little bit".

--
JimG
80' CJ-7 258 CID
35" BFG MT on 15x10 Centerlines
D44 Rear, Dana 30 Front. SOA
4.56 Gears, LockRight F&R
Dana 300 w/4:1 & Currie twin sticks
Warn X8000i w/ dual batteries

"Jeff Ramsey" <ramsejc-nospam@tubafor.com> wrote in message
news:20040210141806612-0800@news.myhome.net...
> In <4029481A.F990FB1C@***.net> L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
> > Hi Robert,
> > Your friend may be right if you have the puny Dana 35c:
> > http://www.----------.com/dana35c/ Otherwise some lockers are a
> > learning experience: http://www.----------.com/differential.htm
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:--------------------
> >
> > Robert wrote:
> >>
> >> Hello. I have a question about lockers. A co worker says that putting
> >> lockers on my Jeep (TJ) is a bad idea. Especially the rear. He says
> >> that I will mess up the rear axle of the Jeep because of the pavement.
> >> Would putting lockers on my Jeep all the way around be a terrible
> >> mistake? Thanks in advance. Robert Reyes
> >
>
> Lockers fall into a couple of very different catagories: Clutch, Gear,
> and Selectable. Clutch lockers have a tendacy to slip a little bit when
> in hard-core offroad use, but are a little more forgiving on the
> pavement than Gear lockers. They also suffer from wear under even
> minimum useage. Gear lockers are the ones that your cow-orker is likely
> referring to. They tend to lock up around corners on pavement as do
> clutch lockers, however they offer no chance of slipping while locked,
> which sometimes results in a hopping of the back end of the vehicle.
> Chirping tires and vibration is about the extent of this on dry pavement,
> on icy pavement, look out! Gear lockers are a stronger, longer lasting
> part than clutch lockers. The third kind of locker, the selectable,
> offer the best of both worlds, if you don't mind taking out a second
> morgage to purchase them. With a selectable, you can turn the locker on
> or off with a switch. Detroit and Eaton make an electronic selectable,
> ARB Air Lockers use an air compressor to lock, and I think OxTrax is
> still making their cable selectable OXLocker.
>
> As with Bill ------'s posting, any of these types of lockers are fine
> to use on pavement, if you don't mind relearning how your vehicle
> handles on the road. There are axle upgrade kits that you can buy for
> almost any axle to counter act the extra wear and tear that a locker
> would have on your axles. Superior Axle and Gear has some well-respected
> upgrade axles for a Dana 35c. For a review, see < http://www.
> tandjperformance.com/products-driveline-superior.htm > The wear on your
> tires is not avoidable, and the handling difference is going to take
> some getting used to. But it can be done.
>
> As for driving on pavement with a locker, my friend has driven with
> locked rear diffs since he was a little kid, and he would not think
> twice about driving a locked rig on any pavement. I have very limited
> experience driving with locked rear diffs, and I'm not as comfortable.
> If I'm on icy pavement, I'd choose not to have a locked diff. I bought
> the ARB air lockers for the front and rear of my 48 ******. I plan on
> being off road a lot more often than on pavement, and I don't do any
> hiway driving on a daily basis, but in the winter months, I'd have to
> drive on the icy hiway once or twice minimum, so I needed to be able to
> 'turn off' the lockers. It cost me a lot more, but in the end, I'm not
> turning my jeep into a tow-only rig for three months out of the year,
> and I can still drive in the harshest offroad conditions. (Well, if I
> had any driving skills I could. My jeep won't leave me stranded anyway...)
(
> Sorry if I went off on a rant here, but I spent the last six months,
> driving different types of lockers and spools, and reading to great
> lengths about this stuff.)
>
> --
> Jeff Ramsey
> ramsejc(no-spam)@tubafor.com

JimG

I differ with your response:

I don't consider the clutch device as a "locker" - they are "limited slip".
As you say "Clutch lockers have a tendency to slip a little bit".

--
JimG
80' CJ-7 258 CID
35" BFG MT on 15x10 Centerlines
D44 Rear, Dana 30 Front. SOA
4.56 Gears, LockRight F&R
Dana 300 w/4:1 & Currie twin sticks
Warn X8000i w/ dual batteries

"Jeff Ramsey" <ramsejc-nospam@tubafor.com> wrote in message
news:20040210141806612-0800@news.myhome.net...
> In <4029481A.F990FB1C@***.net> L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
> > Hi Robert,
> > Your friend may be right if you have the puny Dana 35c:
> > http://www.----------.com/dana35c/ Otherwise some lockers are a
> > learning experience: http://www.----------.com/differential.htm
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:--------------------
> >
> > Robert wrote:
> >>
> >> Hello. I have a question about lockers. A co worker says that putting
> >> lockers on my Jeep (TJ) is a bad idea. Especially the rear. He says
> >> that I will mess up the rear axle of the Jeep because of the pavement.
> >> Would putting lockers on my Jeep all the way around be a terrible
> >> mistake? Thanks in advance. Robert Reyes
> >
>
> Lockers fall into a couple of very different catagories: Clutch, Gear,
> and Selectable. Clutch lockers have a tendacy to slip a little bit when
> in hard-core offroad use, but are a little more forgiving on the
> pavement than Gear lockers. They also suffer from wear under even
> minimum useage. Gear lockers are the ones that your cow-orker is likely
> referring to. They tend to lock up around corners on pavement as do
> clutch lockers, however they offer no chance of slipping while locked,
> which sometimes results in a hopping of the back end of the vehicle.
> Chirping tires and vibration is about the extent of this on dry pavement,
> on icy pavement, look out! Gear lockers are a stronger, longer lasting
> part than clutch lockers. The third kind of locker, the selectable,
> offer the best of both worlds, if you don't mind taking out a second
> morgage to purchase them. With a selectable, you can turn the locker on
> or off with a switch. Detroit and Eaton make an electronic selectable,
> ARB Air Lockers use an air compressor to lock, and I think OxTrax is
> still making their cable selectable OXLocker.
>
> As with Bill ------'s posting, any of these types of lockers are fine
> to use on pavement, if you don't mind relearning how your vehicle
> handles on the road. There are axle upgrade kits that you can buy for
> almost any axle to counter act the extra wear and tear that a locker
> would have on your axles. Superior Axle and Gear has some well-respected
> upgrade axles for a Dana 35c. For a review, see < http://www.
> tandjperformance.com/products-driveline-superior.htm > The wear on your
> tires is not avoidable, and the handling difference is going to take
> some getting used to. But it can be done.
>
> As for driving on pavement with a locker, my friend has driven with
> locked rear diffs since he was a little kid, and he would not think
> twice about driving a locked rig on any pavement. I have very limited
> experience driving with locked rear diffs, and I'm not as comfortable.
> If I'm on icy pavement, I'd choose not to have a locked diff. I bought
> the ARB air lockers for the front and rear of my 48 ******. I plan on
> being off road a lot more often than on pavement, and I don't do any
> hiway driving on a daily basis, but in the winter months, I'd have to
> drive on the icy hiway once or twice minimum, so I needed to be able to
> 'turn off' the lockers. It cost me a lot more, but in the end, I'm not
> turning my jeep into a tow-only rig for three months out of the year,
> and I can still drive in the harshest offroad conditions. (Well, if I
> had any driving skills I could. My jeep won't leave me stranded anyway...)
(
> Sorry if I went off on a rant here, but I spent the last six months,
> driving different types of lockers and spools, and reading to great
> lengths about this stuff.)
>
> --
> Jeff Ramsey
> ramsejc(no-spam)@tubafor.com

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

Then you have the Trac-Lok, Limited Slip:
http://www.----------.com/Limslip2.jpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------

HarryS wrote:
>
> My new 04 Sahara came with a rear locker from the factory.
>
> --
> HarryS
> JAFGBR

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

Then you have the Trac-Lok, Limited Slip:
http://www.----------.com/Limslip2.jpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------

HarryS wrote:
>
> My new 04 Sahara came with a rear locker from the factory.
>
> --
> HarryS
> JAFGBR

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

Then you have the Trac-Lok, Limited Slip:
http://www.----------.com/Limslip2.jpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------

HarryS wrote:
>
> My new 04 Sahara came with a rear locker from the factory.
>
> --
> HarryS
> JAFGBR

HarryS

I stand corrected

--
HarryS
JAFGBR
"JimG" <jimg@2muchspam.com> wrote in message
news:GMeWb.15578$l27.7314@news02.roc.ny...
> You have a "limited slip" differential.
>
> To me, the term "locker" is reserved for no-slip, locked differentials.
>
>
> --
> JimG
> 80' CJ-7 258 CID
> 35" BFG MT on 15x10 Centerlines
> D44 Rear, Dana 30 Front. SOA
> 4.56 Gears, LockRight F&R
> Dana 300 w/4:1 & Currie twin sticks
> Warn X8000i w/ dual batteries
>
> "HarryS" <harry-s@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:NJudneDYI_kv67Td4p2dnA@comcast.com...
> > My new 04 Sahara came with a rear locker from the factory.
> >
> > --
> > HarryS
> > JAFGBR
> > "Robert" <robertr357@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:FrbWb.2193$ng6.138@fe2.texas.rr.com...
> > > Hello. I have a question about lockers. A co worker says that putting
> > > lockers on my Jeep (TJ) is a bad idea. Especially the rear. He says
that
> I
> > > will mess up the rear axle of the Jeep because of the pavement. Would
> > > putting lockers on my Jeep all the way around be a terrible mistake?
> > Thanks
> > > in advance.
> > >
> > > Robert Reyes
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

HarryS

I stand corrected

--
HarryS
JAFGBR
"JimG" <jimg@2muchspam.com> wrote in message
news:GMeWb.15578$l27.7314@news02.roc.ny...
> You have a "limited slip" differential.
>
> To me, the term "locker" is reserved for no-slip, locked differentials.
>
>
> --
> JimG
> 80' CJ-7 258 CID
> 35" BFG MT on 15x10 Centerlines
> D44 Rear, Dana 30 Front. SOA
> 4.56 Gears, LockRight F&R
> Dana 300 w/4:1 & Currie twin sticks
> Warn X8000i w/ dual batteries
>
> "HarryS" <harry-s@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:NJudneDYI_kv67Td4p2dnA@comcast.com...
> > My new 04 Sahara came with a rear locker from the factory.
> >
> > --
> > HarryS
> > JAFGBR
> > "Robert" <robertr357@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:FrbWb.2193$ng6.138@fe2.texas.rr.com...
> > > Hello. I have a question about lockers. A co worker says that putting
> > > lockers on my Jeep (TJ) is a bad idea. Especially the rear. He says
that
> I
> > > will mess up the rear axle of the Jeep because of the pavement. Would
> > > putting lockers on my Jeep all the way around be a terrible mistake?
> > Thanks
> > > in advance.
> > >
> > > Robert Reyes
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

HarryS

I stand corrected

--
HarryS
JAFGBR
"JimG" <jimg@2muchspam.com> wrote in message
news:GMeWb.15578$l27.7314@news02.roc.ny...
> You have a "limited slip" differential.
>
> To me, the term "locker" is reserved for no-slip, locked differentials.
>
>
> --
> JimG
> 80' CJ-7 258 CID
> 35" BFG MT on 15x10 Centerlines
> D44 Rear, Dana 30 Front. SOA
> 4.56 Gears, LockRight F&R
> Dana 300 w/4:1 & Currie twin sticks
> Warn X8000i w/ dual batteries
>
> "HarryS" <harry-s@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:NJudneDYI_kv67Td4p2dnA@comcast.com...
> > My new 04 Sahara came with a rear locker from the factory.
> >
> > --
> > HarryS
> > JAFGBR
> > "Robert" <robertr357@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:FrbWb.2193$ng6.138@fe2.texas.rr.com...
> > > Hello. I have a question about lockers. A co worker says that putting
> > > lockers on my Jeep (TJ) is a bad idea. Especially the rear. He says
that
> I
> > > will mess up the rear axle of the Jeep because of the pavement. Would
> > > putting lockers on my Jeep all the way around be a terrible mistake?
> > Thanks
> > > in advance.
> > >
> > > Robert Reyes
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>