Lockers?
02-10-2004, 05:18 PM
#11
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Re: Lockers? (Sort of a Long Post)
In <4029481A.F990FB1C@***.net> L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
> Hi Robert,
> Your friend may be right if you have the puny Dana 35c:
> http://www.----------.com/dana35c/ Otherwise some lockers are a
> learning experience: http://www.----------.com/differential.htm
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:--------------------
>
> Robert wrote:
>>
>> Hello. I have a question about lockers. A co worker says that putting
>> lockers on my Jeep (TJ) is a bad idea. Especially the rear. He says
>> that I will mess up the rear axle of the Jeep because of the pavement.
>> Would putting lockers on my Jeep all the way around be a terrible
>> mistake? Thanks in advance. Robert Reyes
>
Lockers fall into a couple of very different catagories: Clutch, Gear,
and Selectable. Clutch lockers have a tendacy to slip a little bit when
in hard-core offroad use, but are a little more forgiving on the
pavement than Gear lockers. They also suffer from wear under even
minimum useage. Gear lockers are the ones that your cow-orker is likely
referring to. They tend to lock up around corners on pavement as do
clutch lockers, however they offer no chance of slipping while locked,
which sometimes results in a hopping of the back end of the vehicle.
Chirping tires and vibration is about the extent of this on dry pavement,
on icy pavement, look out! Gear lockers are a stronger, longer lasting
part than clutch lockers. The third kind of locker, the selectable,
offer the best of both worlds, if you don't mind taking out a second
morgage to purchase them. With a selectable, you can turn the locker on
or off with a switch. Detroit and Eaton make an electronic selectable,
ARB Air Lockers use an air compressor to lock, and I think OxTrax is
still making their cable selectable OXLocker.
As with Bill ------'s posting, any of these types of lockers are fine
to use on pavement, if you don't mind relearning how your vehicle
handles on the road. There are axle upgrade kits that you can buy for
almost any axle to counter act the extra wear and tear that a locker
would have on your axles. Superior Axle and Gear has some well-respected
upgrade axles for a Dana 35c. For a review, see < http://www.
tandjperformance.com/products-driveline-superior.htm > The wear on your
tires is not avoidable, and the handling difference is going to take
some getting used to. But it can be done.
As for driving on pavement with a locker, my friend has driven with
locked rear diffs since he was a little kid, and he would not think
twice about driving a locked rig on any pavement. I have very limited
experience driving with locked rear diffs, and I'm not as comfortable.
If I'm on icy pavement, I'd choose not to have a locked diff. I bought
the ARB air lockers for the front and rear of my 48 ******. I plan on
being off road a lot more often than on pavement, and I don't do any
hiway driving on a daily basis, but in the winter months, I'd have to
drive on the icy hiway once or twice minimum, so I needed to be able to
'turn off' the lockers. It cost me a lot more, but in the end, I'm not
turning my jeep into a tow-only rig for three months out of the year,
and I can still drive in the harshest offroad conditions. (Well, if I
had any driving skills I could. My jeep won't leave me stranded anyway...) (
Sorry if I went off on a rant here, but I spent the last six months,
driving different types of lockers and spools, and reading to great
lengths about this stuff.)
--
Jeff Ramsey
ramsejc(no-spam)@tubafor.com
> Hi Robert,
> Your friend may be right if you have the puny Dana 35c:
> http://www.----------.com/dana35c/ Otherwise some lockers are a
> learning experience: http://www.----------.com/differential.htm
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:--------------------
>
> Robert wrote:
>>
>> Hello. I have a question about lockers. A co worker says that putting
>> lockers on my Jeep (TJ) is a bad idea. Especially the rear. He says
>> that I will mess up the rear axle of the Jeep because of the pavement.
>> Would putting lockers on my Jeep all the way around be a terrible
>> mistake? Thanks in advance. Robert Reyes
>
Lockers fall into a couple of very different catagories: Clutch, Gear,
and Selectable. Clutch lockers have a tendacy to slip a little bit when
in hard-core offroad use, but are a little more forgiving on the
pavement than Gear lockers. They also suffer from wear under even
minimum useage. Gear lockers are the ones that your cow-orker is likely
referring to. They tend to lock up around corners on pavement as do
clutch lockers, however they offer no chance of slipping while locked,
which sometimes results in a hopping of the back end of the vehicle.
Chirping tires and vibration is about the extent of this on dry pavement,
on icy pavement, look out! Gear lockers are a stronger, longer lasting
part than clutch lockers. The third kind of locker, the selectable,
offer the best of both worlds, if you don't mind taking out a second
morgage to purchase them. With a selectable, you can turn the locker on
or off with a switch. Detroit and Eaton make an electronic selectable,
ARB Air Lockers use an air compressor to lock, and I think OxTrax is
still making their cable selectable OXLocker.
As with Bill ------'s posting, any of these types of lockers are fine
to use on pavement, if you don't mind relearning how your vehicle
handles on the road. There are axle upgrade kits that you can buy for
almost any axle to counter act the extra wear and tear that a locker
would have on your axles. Superior Axle and Gear has some well-respected
upgrade axles for a Dana 35c. For a review, see < http://www.
tandjperformance.com/products-driveline-superior.htm > The wear on your
tires is not avoidable, and the handling difference is going to take
some getting used to. But it can be done.
As for driving on pavement with a locker, my friend has driven with
locked rear diffs since he was a little kid, and he would not think
twice about driving a locked rig on any pavement. I have very limited
experience driving with locked rear diffs, and I'm not as comfortable.
If I'm on icy pavement, I'd choose not to have a locked diff. I bought
the ARB air lockers for the front and rear of my 48 ******. I plan on
being off road a lot more often than on pavement, and I don't do any
hiway driving on a daily basis, but in the winter months, I'd have to
drive on the icy hiway once or twice minimum, so I needed to be able to
'turn off' the lockers. It cost me a lot more, but in the end, I'm not
turning my jeep into a tow-only rig for three months out of the year,
and I can still drive in the harshest offroad conditions. (Well, if I
had any driving skills I could. My jeep won't leave me stranded anyway...) (
Sorry if I went off on a rant here, but I spent the last six months,
driving different types of lockers and spools, and reading to great
lengths about this stuff.)
--
Jeff Ramsey
ramsejc(no-spam)@tubafor.com
02-10-2004, 05:18 PM
#12
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Re: Lockers? (Sort of a Long Post)
In <4029481A.F990FB1C@***.net> L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
> Hi Robert,
> Your friend may be right if you have the puny Dana 35c:
> http://www.----------.com/dana35c/ Otherwise some lockers are a
> learning experience: http://www.----------.com/differential.htm
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:--------------------
>
> Robert wrote:
>>
>> Hello. I have a question about lockers. A co worker says that putting
>> lockers on my Jeep (TJ) is a bad idea. Especially the rear. He says
>> that I will mess up the rear axle of the Jeep because of the pavement.
>> Would putting lockers on my Jeep all the way around be a terrible
>> mistake? Thanks in advance. Robert Reyes
>
Lockers fall into a couple of very different catagories: Clutch, Gear,
and Selectable. Clutch lockers have a tendacy to slip a little bit when
in hard-core offroad use, but are a little more forgiving on the
pavement than Gear lockers. They also suffer from wear under even
minimum useage. Gear lockers are the ones that your cow-orker is likely
referring to. They tend to lock up around corners on pavement as do
clutch lockers, however they offer no chance of slipping while locked,
which sometimes results in a hopping of the back end of the vehicle.
Chirping tires and vibration is about the extent of this on dry pavement,
on icy pavement, look out! Gear lockers are a stronger, longer lasting
part than clutch lockers. The third kind of locker, the selectable,
offer the best of both worlds, if you don't mind taking out a second
morgage to purchase them. With a selectable, you can turn the locker on
or off with a switch. Detroit and Eaton make an electronic selectable,
ARB Air Lockers use an air compressor to lock, and I think OxTrax is
still making their cable selectable OXLocker.
As with Bill ------'s posting, any of these types of lockers are fine
to use on pavement, if you don't mind relearning how your vehicle
handles on the road. There are axle upgrade kits that you can buy for
almost any axle to counter act the extra wear and tear that a locker
would have on your axles. Superior Axle and Gear has some well-respected
upgrade axles for a Dana 35c. For a review, see < http://www.
tandjperformance.com/products-driveline-superior.htm > The wear on your
tires is not avoidable, and the handling difference is going to take
some getting used to. But it can be done.
As for driving on pavement with a locker, my friend has driven with
locked rear diffs since he was a little kid, and he would not think
twice about driving a locked rig on any pavement. I have very limited
experience driving with locked rear diffs, and I'm not as comfortable.
If I'm on icy pavement, I'd choose not to have a locked diff. I bought
the ARB air lockers for the front and rear of my 48 ******. I plan on
being off road a lot more often than on pavement, and I don't do any
hiway driving on a daily basis, but in the winter months, I'd have to
drive on the icy hiway once or twice minimum, so I needed to be able to
'turn off' the lockers. It cost me a lot more, but in the end, I'm not
turning my jeep into a tow-only rig for three months out of the year,
and I can still drive in the harshest offroad conditions. (Well, if I
had any driving skills I could. My jeep won't leave me stranded anyway...) (
Sorry if I went off on a rant here, but I spent the last six months,
driving different types of lockers and spools, and reading to great
lengths about this stuff.)
--
Jeff Ramsey
ramsejc(no-spam)@tubafor.com
> Hi Robert,
> Your friend may be right if you have the puny Dana 35c:
> http://www.----------.com/dana35c/ Otherwise some lockers are a
> learning experience: http://www.----------.com/differential.htm
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:--------------------
>
> Robert wrote:
>>
>> Hello. I have a question about lockers. A co worker says that putting
>> lockers on my Jeep (TJ) is a bad idea. Especially the rear. He says
>> that I will mess up the rear axle of the Jeep because of the pavement.
>> Would putting lockers on my Jeep all the way around be a terrible
>> mistake? Thanks in advance. Robert Reyes
>
Lockers fall into a couple of very different catagories: Clutch, Gear,
and Selectable. Clutch lockers have a tendacy to slip a little bit when
in hard-core offroad use, but are a little more forgiving on the
pavement than Gear lockers. They also suffer from wear under even
minimum useage. Gear lockers are the ones that your cow-orker is likely
referring to. They tend to lock up around corners on pavement as do
clutch lockers, however they offer no chance of slipping while locked,
which sometimes results in a hopping of the back end of the vehicle.
Chirping tires and vibration is about the extent of this on dry pavement,
on icy pavement, look out! Gear lockers are a stronger, longer lasting
part than clutch lockers. The third kind of locker, the selectable,
offer the best of both worlds, if you don't mind taking out a second
morgage to purchase them. With a selectable, you can turn the locker on
or off with a switch. Detroit and Eaton make an electronic selectable,
ARB Air Lockers use an air compressor to lock, and I think OxTrax is
still making their cable selectable OXLocker.
As with Bill ------'s posting, any of these types of lockers are fine
to use on pavement, if you don't mind relearning how your vehicle
handles on the road. There are axle upgrade kits that you can buy for
almost any axle to counter act the extra wear and tear that a locker
would have on your axles. Superior Axle and Gear has some well-respected
upgrade axles for a Dana 35c. For a review, see < http://www.
tandjperformance.com/products-driveline-superior.htm > The wear on your
tires is not avoidable, and the handling difference is going to take
some getting used to. But it can be done.
As for driving on pavement with a locker, my friend has driven with
locked rear diffs since he was a little kid, and he would not think
twice about driving a locked rig on any pavement. I have very limited
experience driving with locked rear diffs, and I'm not as comfortable.
If I'm on icy pavement, I'd choose not to have a locked diff. I bought
the ARB air lockers for the front and rear of my 48 ******. I plan on
being off road a lot more often than on pavement, and I don't do any
hiway driving on a daily basis, but in the winter months, I'd have to
drive on the icy hiway once or twice minimum, so I needed to be able to
'turn off' the lockers. It cost me a lot more, but in the end, I'm not
turning my jeep into a tow-only rig for three months out of the year,
and I can still drive in the harshest offroad conditions. (Well, if I
had any driving skills I could. My jeep won't leave me stranded anyway...) (
Sorry if I went off on a rant here, but I spent the last six months,
driving different types of lockers and spools, and reading to great
lengths about this stuff.)
--
Jeff Ramsey
ramsejc(no-spam)@tubafor.com
02-10-2004, 05:18 PM
#13
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Re: Lockers? (Sort of a Long Post)
In <4029481A.F990FB1C@***.net> L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
> Hi Robert,
> Your friend may be right if you have the puny Dana 35c:
> http://www.----------.com/dana35c/ Otherwise some lockers are a
> learning experience: http://www.----------.com/differential.htm
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:--------------------
>
> Robert wrote:
>>
>> Hello. I have a question about lockers. A co worker says that putting
>> lockers on my Jeep (TJ) is a bad idea. Especially the rear. He says
>> that I will mess up the rear axle of the Jeep because of the pavement.
>> Would putting lockers on my Jeep all the way around be a terrible
>> mistake? Thanks in advance. Robert Reyes
>
Lockers fall into a couple of very different catagories: Clutch, Gear,
and Selectable. Clutch lockers have a tendacy to slip a little bit when
in hard-core offroad use, but are a little more forgiving on the
pavement than Gear lockers. They also suffer from wear under even
minimum useage. Gear lockers are the ones that your cow-orker is likely
referring to. They tend to lock up around corners on pavement as do
clutch lockers, however they offer no chance of slipping while locked,
which sometimes results in a hopping of the back end of the vehicle.
Chirping tires and vibration is about the extent of this on dry pavement,
on icy pavement, look out! Gear lockers are a stronger, longer lasting
part than clutch lockers. The third kind of locker, the selectable,
offer the best of both worlds, if you don't mind taking out a second
morgage to purchase them. With a selectable, you can turn the locker on
or off with a switch. Detroit and Eaton make an electronic selectable,
ARB Air Lockers use an air compressor to lock, and I think OxTrax is
still making their cable selectable OXLocker.
As with Bill ------'s posting, any of these types of lockers are fine
to use on pavement, if you don't mind relearning how your vehicle
handles on the road. There are axle upgrade kits that you can buy for
almost any axle to counter act the extra wear and tear that a locker
would have on your axles. Superior Axle and Gear has some well-respected
upgrade axles for a Dana 35c. For a review, see < http://www.
tandjperformance.com/products-driveline-superior.htm > The wear on your
tires is not avoidable, and the handling difference is going to take
some getting used to. But it can be done.
As for driving on pavement with a locker, my friend has driven with
locked rear diffs since he was a little kid, and he would not think
twice about driving a locked rig on any pavement. I have very limited
experience driving with locked rear diffs, and I'm not as comfortable.
If I'm on icy pavement, I'd choose not to have a locked diff. I bought
the ARB air lockers for the front and rear of my 48 ******. I plan on
being off road a lot more often than on pavement, and I don't do any
hiway driving on a daily basis, but in the winter months, I'd have to
drive on the icy hiway once or twice minimum, so I needed to be able to
'turn off' the lockers. It cost me a lot more, but in the end, I'm not
turning my jeep into a tow-only rig for three months out of the year,
and I can still drive in the harshest offroad conditions. (Well, if I
had any driving skills I could. My jeep won't leave me stranded anyway...) (
Sorry if I went off on a rant here, but I spent the last six months,
driving different types of lockers and spools, and reading to great
lengths about this stuff.)
--
Jeff Ramsey
ramsejc(no-spam)@tubafor.com
> Hi Robert,
> Your friend may be right if you have the puny Dana 35c:
> http://www.----------.com/dana35c/ Otherwise some lockers are a
> learning experience: http://www.----------.com/differential.htm
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:--------------------
>
> Robert wrote:
>>
>> Hello. I have a question about lockers. A co worker says that putting
>> lockers on my Jeep (TJ) is a bad idea. Especially the rear. He says
>> that I will mess up the rear axle of the Jeep because of the pavement.
>> Would putting lockers on my Jeep all the way around be a terrible
>> mistake? Thanks in advance. Robert Reyes
>
Lockers fall into a couple of very different catagories: Clutch, Gear,
and Selectable. Clutch lockers have a tendacy to slip a little bit when
in hard-core offroad use, but are a little more forgiving on the
pavement than Gear lockers. They also suffer from wear under even
minimum useage. Gear lockers are the ones that your cow-orker is likely
referring to. They tend to lock up around corners on pavement as do
clutch lockers, however they offer no chance of slipping while locked,
which sometimes results in a hopping of the back end of the vehicle.
Chirping tires and vibration is about the extent of this on dry pavement,
on icy pavement, look out! Gear lockers are a stronger, longer lasting
part than clutch lockers. The third kind of locker, the selectable,
offer the best of both worlds, if you don't mind taking out a second
morgage to purchase them. With a selectable, you can turn the locker on
or off with a switch. Detroit and Eaton make an electronic selectable,
ARB Air Lockers use an air compressor to lock, and I think OxTrax is
still making their cable selectable OXLocker.
As with Bill ------'s posting, any of these types of lockers are fine
to use on pavement, if you don't mind relearning how your vehicle
handles on the road. There are axle upgrade kits that you can buy for
almost any axle to counter act the extra wear and tear that a locker
would have on your axles. Superior Axle and Gear has some well-respected
upgrade axles for a Dana 35c. For a review, see < http://www.
tandjperformance.com/products-driveline-superior.htm > The wear on your
tires is not avoidable, and the handling difference is going to take
some getting used to. But it can be done.
As for driving on pavement with a locker, my friend has driven with
locked rear diffs since he was a little kid, and he would not think
twice about driving a locked rig on any pavement. I have very limited
experience driving with locked rear diffs, and I'm not as comfortable.
If I'm on icy pavement, I'd choose not to have a locked diff. I bought
the ARB air lockers for the front and rear of my 48 ******. I plan on
being off road a lot more often than on pavement, and I don't do any
hiway driving on a daily basis, but in the winter months, I'd have to
drive on the icy hiway once or twice minimum, so I needed to be able to
'turn off' the lockers. It cost me a lot more, but in the end, I'm not
turning my jeep into a tow-only rig for three months out of the year,
and I can still drive in the harshest offroad conditions. (Well, if I
had any driving skills I could. My jeep won't leave me stranded anyway...) (
Sorry if I went off on a rant here, but I spent the last six months,
driving different types of lockers and spools, and reading to great
lengths about this stuff.)
--
Jeff Ramsey
ramsejc(no-spam)@tubafor.com
02-10-2004, 05:50 PM
#14
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Re: Lockers?
I drive mine on the highway, and have several friends that are locked front
and rear as I am (including TJ's, YJ's, and CJ's). I (and them) don't have
any problem with it. Anyone saying that it is a bad idea is NOT speaking
from experience. And furthermore, the rear is much more forgiving than the
front (when in 4X4). There are several folks that will lock the rear, and
use limited slip in the front.
All that said, lock it up only if you intend to off-road.
--
JimG
80' CJ-7 258 CID
35" BFG MT on 15x10 Centerlines
D44 Rear, Dana 30 Front. SOA
4.56 Gears, LockRight F&R
Dana 300 w/4:1 & Currie twin sticks
Warn X8000i w/ dual batteries
"Robert" <robertr357@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:FrbWb.2193$ng6.138@fe2.texas.rr.com...
> Hello. I have a question about lockers. A co worker says that putting
> lockers on my Jeep (TJ) is a bad idea. Especially the rear. He says that I
> will mess up the rear axle of the Jeep because of the pavement. Would
> putting lockers on my Jeep all the way around be a terrible mistake?
Thanks
> in advance.
>
> Robert Reyes
>
>
and rear as I am (including TJ's, YJ's, and CJ's). I (and them) don't have
any problem with it. Anyone saying that it is a bad idea is NOT speaking
from experience. And furthermore, the rear is much more forgiving than the
front (when in 4X4). There are several folks that will lock the rear, and
use limited slip in the front.
All that said, lock it up only if you intend to off-road.
--
JimG
80' CJ-7 258 CID
35" BFG MT on 15x10 Centerlines
D44 Rear, Dana 30 Front. SOA
4.56 Gears, LockRight F&R
Dana 300 w/4:1 & Currie twin sticks
Warn X8000i w/ dual batteries
"Robert" <robertr357@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:FrbWb.2193$ng6.138@fe2.texas.rr.com...
> Hello. I have a question about lockers. A co worker says that putting
> lockers on my Jeep (TJ) is a bad idea. Especially the rear. He says that I
> will mess up the rear axle of the Jeep because of the pavement. Would
> putting lockers on my Jeep all the way around be a terrible mistake?
Thanks
> in advance.
>
> Robert Reyes
>
>
02-10-2004, 05:50 PM
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Re: Lockers?
I drive mine on the highway, and have several friends that are locked front
and rear as I am (including TJ's, YJ's, and CJ's). I (and them) don't have
any problem with it. Anyone saying that it is a bad idea is NOT speaking
from experience. And furthermore, the rear is much more forgiving than the
front (when in 4X4). There are several folks that will lock the rear, and
use limited slip in the front.
All that said, lock it up only if you intend to off-road.
--
JimG
80' CJ-7 258 CID
35" BFG MT on 15x10 Centerlines
D44 Rear, Dana 30 Front. SOA
4.56 Gears, LockRight F&R
Dana 300 w/4:1 & Currie twin sticks
Warn X8000i w/ dual batteries
"Robert" <robertr357@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:FrbWb.2193$ng6.138@fe2.texas.rr.com...
> Hello. I have a question about lockers. A co worker says that putting
> lockers on my Jeep (TJ) is a bad idea. Especially the rear. He says that I
> will mess up the rear axle of the Jeep because of the pavement. Would
> putting lockers on my Jeep all the way around be a terrible mistake?
Thanks
> in advance.
>
> Robert Reyes
>
>
and rear as I am (including TJ's, YJ's, and CJ's). I (and them) don't have
any problem with it. Anyone saying that it is a bad idea is NOT speaking
from experience. And furthermore, the rear is much more forgiving than the
front (when in 4X4). There are several folks that will lock the rear, and
use limited slip in the front.
All that said, lock it up only if you intend to off-road.
--
JimG
80' CJ-7 258 CID
35" BFG MT on 15x10 Centerlines
D44 Rear, Dana 30 Front. SOA
4.56 Gears, LockRight F&R
Dana 300 w/4:1 & Currie twin sticks
Warn X8000i w/ dual batteries
"Robert" <robertr357@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:FrbWb.2193$ng6.138@fe2.texas.rr.com...
> Hello. I have a question about lockers. A co worker says that putting
> lockers on my Jeep (TJ) is a bad idea. Especially the rear. He says that I
> will mess up the rear axle of the Jeep because of the pavement. Would
> putting lockers on my Jeep all the way around be a terrible mistake?
Thanks
> in advance.
>
> Robert Reyes
>
>
02-10-2004, 05:50 PM
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Re: Lockers?
I drive mine on the highway, and have several friends that are locked front
and rear as I am (including TJ's, YJ's, and CJ's). I (and them) don't have
any problem with it. Anyone saying that it is a bad idea is NOT speaking
from experience. And furthermore, the rear is much more forgiving than the
front (when in 4X4). There are several folks that will lock the rear, and
use limited slip in the front.
All that said, lock it up only if you intend to off-road.
--
JimG
80' CJ-7 258 CID
35" BFG MT on 15x10 Centerlines
D44 Rear, Dana 30 Front. SOA
4.56 Gears, LockRight F&R
Dana 300 w/4:1 & Currie twin sticks
Warn X8000i w/ dual batteries
"Robert" <robertr357@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:FrbWb.2193$ng6.138@fe2.texas.rr.com...
> Hello. I have a question about lockers. A co worker says that putting
> lockers on my Jeep (TJ) is a bad idea. Especially the rear. He says that I
> will mess up the rear axle of the Jeep because of the pavement. Would
> putting lockers on my Jeep all the way around be a terrible mistake?
Thanks
> in advance.
>
> Robert Reyes
>
>
and rear as I am (including TJ's, YJ's, and CJ's). I (and them) don't have
any problem with it. Anyone saying that it is a bad idea is NOT speaking
from experience. And furthermore, the rear is much more forgiving than the
front (when in 4X4). There are several folks that will lock the rear, and
use limited slip in the front.
All that said, lock it up only if you intend to off-road.
--
JimG
80' CJ-7 258 CID
35" BFG MT on 15x10 Centerlines
D44 Rear, Dana 30 Front. SOA
4.56 Gears, LockRight F&R
Dana 300 w/4:1 & Currie twin sticks
Warn X8000i w/ dual batteries
"Robert" <robertr357@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:FrbWb.2193$ng6.138@fe2.texas.rr.com...
> Hello. I have a question about lockers. A co worker says that putting
> lockers on my Jeep (TJ) is a bad idea. Especially the rear. He says that I
> will mess up the rear axle of the Jeep because of the pavement. Would
> putting lockers on my Jeep all the way around be a terrible mistake?
Thanks
> in advance.
>
> Robert Reyes
>
>
02-10-2004, 06:11 PM
#17
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Re: Lockers?
I have a locker in the rear axle of my CJ, and I wouldn't have it any other
way. I have several friends with TJ that all have lockers, and they wouldn't
have it any other way either.
There are things to consider relative to lockers, but the axle isn't any of
them. If you live in a climate where there is snow and ice, then yo umay
want to think about a manual locker that you can switch on and off wneh
needed, or not needed. I have the automatic locker that do not have to
switch off an on as my needs change, but I do have to deal with the
occasional unloading of my locker that makes the people in the convertable
in the next lane duck for cover, and kids on the side walk jump out of the
way. For all of this, I have the climbing ability of a mountain goat, so it
is more than worth it to me.
"Robert" <robertr357@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:FrbWb.2193$ng6.138@fe2.texas.rr.com...
> Hello. I have a question about lockers. A co worker says that putting
> lockers on my Jeep (TJ) is a bad idea. Especially the rear. He says that I
> will mess up the rear axle of the Jeep because of the pavement. Would
> putting lockers on my Jeep all the way around be a terrible mistake?
Thanks
> in advance.
>
> Robert Reyes
>
>
way. I have several friends with TJ that all have lockers, and they wouldn't
have it any other way either.
There are things to consider relative to lockers, but the axle isn't any of
them. If you live in a climate where there is snow and ice, then yo umay
want to think about a manual locker that you can switch on and off wneh
needed, or not needed. I have the automatic locker that do not have to
switch off an on as my needs change, but I do have to deal with the
occasional unloading of my locker that makes the people in the convertable
in the next lane duck for cover, and kids on the side walk jump out of the
way. For all of this, I have the climbing ability of a mountain goat, so it
is more than worth it to me.
"Robert" <robertr357@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:FrbWb.2193$ng6.138@fe2.texas.rr.com...
> Hello. I have a question about lockers. A co worker says that putting
> lockers on my Jeep (TJ) is a bad idea. Especially the rear. He says that I
> will mess up the rear axle of the Jeep because of the pavement. Would
> putting lockers on my Jeep all the way around be a terrible mistake?
Thanks
> in advance.
>
> Robert Reyes
>
>
02-10-2004, 06:11 PM
#18
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Posts: n/a
Re: Lockers?
I have a locker in the rear axle of my CJ, and I wouldn't have it any other
way. I have several friends with TJ that all have lockers, and they wouldn't
have it any other way either.
There are things to consider relative to lockers, but the axle isn't any of
them. If you live in a climate where there is snow and ice, then yo umay
want to think about a manual locker that you can switch on and off wneh
needed, or not needed. I have the automatic locker that do not have to
switch off an on as my needs change, but I do have to deal with the
occasional unloading of my locker that makes the people in the convertable
in the next lane duck for cover, and kids on the side walk jump out of the
way. For all of this, I have the climbing ability of a mountain goat, so it
is more than worth it to me.
"Robert" <robertr357@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:FrbWb.2193$ng6.138@fe2.texas.rr.com...
> Hello. I have a question about lockers. A co worker says that putting
> lockers on my Jeep (TJ) is a bad idea. Especially the rear. He says that I
> will mess up the rear axle of the Jeep because of the pavement. Would
> putting lockers on my Jeep all the way around be a terrible mistake?
Thanks
> in advance.
>
> Robert Reyes
>
>
way. I have several friends with TJ that all have lockers, and they wouldn't
have it any other way either.
There are things to consider relative to lockers, but the axle isn't any of
them. If you live in a climate where there is snow and ice, then yo umay
want to think about a manual locker that you can switch on and off wneh
needed, or not needed. I have the automatic locker that do not have to
switch off an on as my needs change, but I do have to deal with the
occasional unloading of my locker that makes the people in the convertable
in the next lane duck for cover, and kids on the side walk jump out of the
way. For all of this, I have the climbing ability of a mountain goat, so it
is more than worth it to me.
"Robert" <robertr357@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:FrbWb.2193$ng6.138@fe2.texas.rr.com...
> Hello. I have a question about lockers. A co worker says that putting
> lockers on my Jeep (TJ) is a bad idea. Especially the rear. He says that I
> will mess up the rear axle of the Jeep because of the pavement. Would
> putting lockers on my Jeep all the way around be a terrible mistake?
Thanks
> in advance.
>
> Robert Reyes
>
>
02-10-2004, 06:11 PM
#19
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Posts: n/a
Re: Lockers?
I have a locker in the rear axle of my CJ, and I wouldn't have it any other
way. I have several friends with TJ that all have lockers, and they wouldn't
have it any other way either.
There are things to consider relative to lockers, but the axle isn't any of
them. If you live in a climate where there is snow and ice, then yo umay
want to think about a manual locker that you can switch on and off wneh
needed, or not needed. I have the automatic locker that do not have to
switch off an on as my needs change, but I do have to deal with the
occasional unloading of my locker that makes the people in the convertable
in the next lane duck for cover, and kids on the side walk jump out of the
way. For all of this, I have the climbing ability of a mountain goat, so it
is more than worth it to me.
"Robert" <robertr357@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:FrbWb.2193$ng6.138@fe2.texas.rr.com...
> Hello. I have a question about lockers. A co worker says that putting
> lockers on my Jeep (TJ) is a bad idea. Especially the rear. He says that I
> will mess up the rear axle of the Jeep because of the pavement. Would
> putting lockers on my Jeep all the way around be a terrible mistake?
Thanks
> in advance.
>
> Robert Reyes
>
>
way. I have several friends with TJ that all have lockers, and they wouldn't
have it any other way either.
There are things to consider relative to lockers, but the axle isn't any of
them. If you live in a climate where there is snow and ice, then yo umay
want to think about a manual locker that you can switch on and off wneh
needed, or not needed. I have the automatic locker that do not have to
switch off an on as my needs change, but I do have to deal with the
occasional unloading of my locker that makes the people in the convertable
in the next lane duck for cover, and kids on the side walk jump out of the
way. For all of this, I have the climbing ability of a mountain goat, so it
is more than worth it to me.
"Robert" <robertr357@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:FrbWb.2193$ng6.138@fe2.texas.rr.com...
> Hello. I have a question about lockers. A co worker says that putting
> lockers on my Jeep (TJ) is a bad idea. Especially the rear. He says that I
> will mess up the rear axle of the Jeep because of the pavement. Would
> putting lockers on my Jeep all the way around be a terrible mistake?
Thanks
> in advance.
>
> Robert Reyes
>
>
02-10-2004, 06:22 PM
#20
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Re: Lockers? (Sort of a Long Post)
Jeff's post is long, but well said. If you "think" you need lockers get
them! They make a huge difference off road. Obstacles that I struggled on
before and had to overcome by "bumping" the jeep over I now can nearly idle
over. I find that not only can I climb more things, but I can do it more
controlled and without hammering on my jeep. If you can afford a selectable
locker go for it. The only disadvantage is the cost.
"Jeff Ramsey" <ramsejc-nospam@tubafor.com> wrote in message
news:20040210141806612-0800@news.myhome.net...
> In <4029481A.F990FB1C@***.net> L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
> > Hi Robert,
> > Your friend may be right if you have the puny Dana 35c:
> > http://www.----------.com/dana35c/ Otherwise some lockers are a
> > learning experience: http://www.----------.com/differential.htm
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:--------------------
> >
> > Robert wrote:
> >>
> >> Hello. I have a question about lockers. A co worker says that putting
> >> lockers on my Jeep (TJ) is a bad idea. Especially the rear. He says
> >> that I will mess up the rear axle of the Jeep because of the pavement.
> >> Would putting lockers on my Jeep all the way around be a terrible
> >> mistake? Thanks in advance. Robert Reyes
> >
>
> Lockers fall into a couple of very different catagories: Clutch, Gear,
> and Selectable. Clutch lockers have a tendacy to slip a little bit when
> in hard-core offroad use, but are a little more forgiving on the
> pavement than Gear lockers. They also suffer from wear under even
> minimum useage. Gear lockers are the ones that your cow-orker is likely
> referring to. They tend to lock up around corners on pavement as do
> clutch lockers, however they offer no chance of slipping while locked,
> which sometimes results in a hopping of the back end of the vehicle.
> Chirping tires and vibration is about the extent of this on dry pavement,
> on icy pavement, look out! Gear lockers are a stronger, longer lasting
> part than clutch lockers. The third kind of locker, the selectable,
> offer the best of both worlds, if you don't mind taking out a second
> morgage to purchase them. With a selectable, you can turn the locker on
> or off with a switch. Detroit and Eaton make an electronic selectable,
> ARB Air Lockers use an air compressor to lock, and I think OxTrax is
> still making their cable selectable OXLocker.
>
> As with Bill ------'s posting, any of these types of lockers are fine
> to use on pavement, if you don't mind relearning how your vehicle
> handles on the road. There are axle upgrade kits that you can buy for
> almost any axle to counter act the extra wear and tear that a locker
> would have on your axles. Superior Axle and Gear has some well-respected
> upgrade axles for a Dana 35c. For a review, see < http://www.
> tandjperformance.com/products-driveline-superior.htm > The wear on your
> tires is not avoidable, and the handling difference is going to take
> some getting used to. But it can be done.
>
> As for driving on pavement with a locker, my friend has driven with
> locked rear diffs since he was a little kid, and he would not think
> twice about driving a locked rig on any pavement. I have very limited
> experience driving with locked rear diffs, and I'm not as comfortable.
> If I'm on icy pavement, I'd choose not to have a locked diff. I bought
> the ARB air lockers for the front and rear of my 48 ******. I plan on
> being off road a lot more often than on pavement, and I don't do any
> hiway driving on a daily basis, but in the winter months, I'd have to
> drive on the icy hiway once or twice minimum, so I needed to be able to
> 'turn off' the lockers. It cost me a lot more, but in the end, I'm not
> turning my jeep into a tow-only rig for three months out of the year,
> and I can still drive in the harshest offroad conditions. (Well, if I
> had any driving skills I could. My jeep won't leave me stranded anyway...)
(
> Sorry if I went off on a rant here, but I spent the last six months,
> driving different types of lockers and spools, and reading to great
> lengths about this stuff.)
>
> --
> Jeff Ramsey
> ramsejc(no-spam)@tubafor.com
them! They make a huge difference off road. Obstacles that I struggled on
before and had to overcome by "bumping" the jeep over I now can nearly idle
over. I find that not only can I climb more things, but I can do it more
controlled and without hammering on my jeep. If you can afford a selectable
locker go for it. The only disadvantage is the cost.
"Jeff Ramsey" <ramsejc-nospam@tubafor.com> wrote in message
news:20040210141806612-0800@news.myhome.net...
> In <4029481A.F990FB1C@***.net> L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
> > Hi Robert,
> > Your friend may be right if you have the puny Dana 35c:
> > http://www.----------.com/dana35c/ Otherwise some lockers are a
> > learning experience: http://www.----------.com/differential.htm
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:--------------------
> >
> > Robert wrote:
> >>
> >> Hello. I have a question about lockers. A co worker says that putting
> >> lockers on my Jeep (TJ) is a bad idea. Especially the rear. He says
> >> that I will mess up the rear axle of the Jeep because of the pavement.
> >> Would putting lockers on my Jeep all the way around be a terrible
> >> mistake? Thanks in advance. Robert Reyes
> >
>
> Lockers fall into a couple of very different catagories: Clutch, Gear,
> and Selectable. Clutch lockers have a tendacy to slip a little bit when
> in hard-core offroad use, but are a little more forgiving on the
> pavement than Gear lockers. They also suffer from wear under even
> minimum useage. Gear lockers are the ones that your cow-orker is likely
> referring to. They tend to lock up around corners on pavement as do
> clutch lockers, however they offer no chance of slipping while locked,
> which sometimes results in a hopping of the back end of the vehicle.
> Chirping tires and vibration is about the extent of this on dry pavement,
> on icy pavement, look out! Gear lockers are a stronger, longer lasting
> part than clutch lockers. The third kind of locker, the selectable,
> offer the best of both worlds, if you don't mind taking out a second
> morgage to purchase them. With a selectable, you can turn the locker on
> or off with a switch. Detroit and Eaton make an electronic selectable,
> ARB Air Lockers use an air compressor to lock, and I think OxTrax is
> still making their cable selectable OXLocker.
>
> As with Bill ------'s posting, any of these types of lockers are fine
> to use on pavement, if you don't mind relearning how your vehicle
> handles on the road. There are axle upgrade kits that you can buy for
> almost any axle to counter act the extra wear and tear that a locker
> would have on your axles. Superior Axle and Gear has some well-respected
> upgrade axles for a Dana 35c. For a review, see < http://www.
> tandjperformance.com/products-driveline-superior.htm > The wear on your
> tires is not avoidable, and the handling difference is going to take
> some getting used to. But it can be done.
>
> As for driving on pavement with a locker, my friend has driven with
> locked rear diffs since he was a little kid, and he would not think
> twice about driving a locked rig on any pavement. I have very limited
> experience driving with locked rear diffs, and I'm not as comfortable.
> If I'm on icy pavement, I'd choose not to have a locked diff. I bought
> the ARB air lockers for the front and rear of my 48 ******. I plan on
> being off road a lot more often than on pavement, and I don't do any
> hiway driving on a daily basis, but in the winter months, I'd have to
> drive on the icy hiway once or twice minimum, so I needed to be able to
> 'turn off' the lockers. It cost me a lot more, but in the end, I'm not
> turning my jeep into a tow-only rig for three months out of the year,
> and I can still drive in the harshest offroad conditions. (Well, if I
> had any driving skills I could. My jeep won't leave me stranded anyway...)
(
> Sorry if I went off on a rant here, but I spent the last six months,
> driving different types of lockers and spools, and reading to great
> lengths about this stuff.)
>
> --
> Jeff Ramsey
> ramsejc(no-spam)@tubafor.com