"Jerry Newton" <leaveme@lone.net> wrote in message
:
: The alternative to this particular fellow's dilemma is to purchase
: aftermarket (read: Chinese forced child labor camp) brake rotors for a
: fraction of the price. So now you have that on your conscience as well.
: You decide.
:
They've always done a nice job on my Nikes.
-Brian

 

"Jerry Newton" <leaveme@lone.net> wrote in message
:
: The alternative to this particular fellow's dilemma is to purchase
: aftermarket (read: Chinese forced child labor camp) brake rotors for a
: fraction of the price. So now you have that on your conscience as well.
: You decide.
:
They've always done a nice job on my Nikes.
-Brian

 

"Jerry Newton" <leaveme@lone.net> wrote in message
:
: The alternative to this particular fellow's dilemma is to purchase
: aftermarket (read: Chinese forced child labor camp) brake rotors for a
: fraction of the price. So now you have that on your conscience as well.
: You decide.
:
They've always done a nice job on my Nikes.
-Brian

 

Jerry; Do you always have a cynical point of view. GM does not have
wonderful little elves making there brake rotors or any other of there parts
either . Who makes the parts for GM? Your complaining about how the
customer is being ripped off at your dealership and then stating that it's
just tough ---- and you need to support the world of retired and future GM
employees. It sounds like to me that GM supported the forced child labor
companies and put on ---- rotors in the beginning. Auto manufactures
have been out sourcing parts for years. I'll buy from a union man or woman
every time if possible. Now lets see how much is the dealer paying for his
parts and how much is he marking them up to pay for your wages and putting
the remainder of the 200% in his fat little picket. What does your father
own the dealership? Get real

--
CJ & XJ JIMMIE VP.of The North Iowa Off-road Club
"Jerry Newton" <leaveme@lone.net> wrote in message
news:40a188cb_3@newspeer2.tds.net...
> Astro vans use two idler arms, it is a unique steering setup, and no, the
> idler arms aren't very good. Go with the Moog, like the other guy
> suggested. If you are handy, you can install them yourself.
>
> I work for a GM dealer, and parts prices are out of control. Dealerships
> aren't the root of this evil, we are just passing the savings along. Just
> today, the owner of a 2002 Chevy truck brought it to me because of some
> brake concerns. What he needed was four new rotors, due to corrosion and
> flaking of the brake surface. Total cost of parts alone: $1086. I can
> think of no reason to charge over $400 apiece for rear brake rotors, but
> hey, I am not the union-controlled manufacturer of said parts.
>
> The alternative to this particular fellow's dilemma is to purchase
> aftermarket (read: Chinese forced child labor camp) brake rotors for a
> fraction of the price. So now you have that on your conscience as well.
> You decide.
>
> Jerry
>
>
> "Mort" <jmorton@on.aibn.nospamcom> wrote in message
> news:ccfoc.65$_V4.3@read1.cgocable.net...
> > Here's an article from The Car Connection, the resident mechanic is
> > noticing huge increases in prices. Seems like the manufacturers found a
> > way to offset the cost of all of the rebates and low finance rates.
> >
> > http://www.thecarconnection.com/inde...&sid=281&n=158
> >
> > Mort
> >
> > Del Rawlins wrote:
> > > In <N7aoc.17179$QaS.8754@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.ro gers.com>
Cherokee-
> > > LTD wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >>Can anyone justify a $600 difference between Delco arms and 'white
> > >>box'? I'll probably end up with the TRW's... PartSource has them in
> > >>stock and I like to support a store that offers a free loan-a-tool
> > >>program.
> > >
> > >
> > > GM idler arms are CRAP. Buy the MOOG "problem solver" replacement
arms,
> > > even if you have to pay more for them. Be sure to check the other
> > > joints for wear and then get it re-aligned after the work is done.
> > >
> > > ----------------------------------------------------
> > > Del Rawlins- del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org
> > > Remove _kills_spammers_ to reply via email.
> > > Unofficial Bearhawk FAQ website:
> > > http://www.rawlinsbrothers.org/bhfaq/
> >
>
>
>

 

Jerry; Do you always have a cynical point of view. GM does not have
wonderful little elves making there brake rotors or any other of there parts
either . Who makes the parts for GM? Your complaining about how the
customer is being ripped off at your dealership and then stating that it's
just tough ---- and you need to support the world of retired and future GM
employees. It sounds like to me that GM supported the forced child labor
companies and put on ---- rotors in the beginning. Auto manufactures
have been out sourcing parts for years. I'll buy from a union man or woman
every time if possible. Now lets see how much is the dealer paying for his
parts and how much is he marking them up to pay for your wages and putting
the remainder of the 200% in his fat little picket. What does your father
own the dealership? Get real

--
CJ & XJ JIMMIE VP.of The North Iowa Off-road Club
"Jerry Newton" <leaveme@lone.net> wrote in message
news:40a188cb_3@newspeer2.tds.net...
> Astro vans use two idler arms, it is a unique steering setup, and no, the
> idler arms aren't very good. Go with the Moog, like the other guy
> suggested. If you are handy, you can install them yourself.
>
> I work for a GM dealer, and parts prices are out of control. Dealerships
> aren't the root of this evil, we are just passing the savings along. Just
> today, the owner of a 2002 Chevy truck brought it to me because of some
> brake concerns. What he needed was four new rotors, due to corrosion and
> flaking of the brake surface. Total cost of parts alone: $1086. I can
> think of no reason to charge over $400 apiece for rear brake rotors, but
> hey, I am not the union-controlled manufacturer of said parts.
>
> The alternative to this particular fellow's dilemma is to purchase
> aftermarket (read: Chinese forced child labor camp) brake rotors for a
> fraction of the price. So now you have that on your conscience as well.
> You decide.
>
> Jerry
>
>
> "Mort" <jmorton@on.aibn.nospamcom> wrote in message
> news:ccfoc.65$_V4.3@read1.cgocable.net...
> > Here's an article from The Car Connection, the resident mechanic is
> > noticing huge increases in prices. Seems like the manufacturers found a
> > way to offset the cost of all of the rebates and low finance rates.
> >
> > http://www.thecarconnection.com/inde...&sid=281&n=158
> >
> > Mort
> >
> > Del Rawlins wrote:
> > > In <N7aoc.17179$QaS.8754@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.ro gers.com>
Cherokee-
> > > LTD wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >>Can anyone justify a $600 difference between Delco arms and 'white
> > >>box'? I'll probably end up with the TRW's... PartSource has them in
> > >>stock and I like to support a store that offers a free loan-a-tool
> > >>program.
> > >
> > >
> > > GM idler arms are CRAP. Buy the MOOG "problem solver" replacement
arms,
> > > even if you have to pay more for them. Be sure to check the other
> > > joints for wear and then get it re-aligned after the work is done.
> > >
> > > ----------------------------------------------------
> > > Del Rawlins- del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org
> > > Remove _kills_spammers_ to reply via email.
> > > Unofficial Bearhawk FAQ website:
> > > http://www.rawlinsbrothers.org/bhfaq/
> >
>
>
>

 

Jerry; Do you always have a cynical point of view. GM does not have
wonderful little elves making there brake rotors or any other of there parts
either . Who makes the parts for GM? Your complaining about how the
customer is being ripped off at your dealership and then stating that it's
just tough ---- and you need to support the world of retired and future GM
employees. It sounds like to me that GM supported the forced child labor
companies and put on ---- rotors in the beginning. Auto manufactures
have been out sourcing parts for years. I'll buy from a union man or woman
every time if possible. Now lets see how much is the dealer paying for his
parts and how much is he marking them up to pay for your wages and putting
the remainder of the 200% in his fat little picket. What does your father
own the dealership? Get real

--
CJ & XJ JIMMIE VP.of The North Iowa Off-road Club
"Jerry Newton" <leaveme@lone.net> wrote in message
news:40a188cb_3@newspeer2.tds.net...
> Astro vans use two idler arms, it is a unique steering setup, and no, the
> idler arms aren't very good. Go with the Moog, like the other guy
> suggested. If you are handy, you can install them yourself.
>
> I work for a GM dealer, and parts prices are out of control. Dealerships
> aren't the root of this evil, we are just passing the savings along. Just
> today, the owner of a 2002 Chevy truck brought it to me because of some
> brake concerns. What he needed was four new rotors, due to corrosion and
> flaking of the brake surface. Total cost of parts alone: $1086. I can
> think of no reason to charge over $400 apiece for rear brake rotors, but
> hey, I am not the union-controlled manufacturer of said parts.
>
> The alternative to this particular fellow's dilemma is to purchase
> aftermarket (read: Chinese forced child labor camp) brake rotors for a
> fraction of the price. So now you have that on your conscience as well.
> You decide.
>
> Jerry
>
>
> "Mort" <jmorton@on.aibn.nospamcom> wrote in message
> news:ccfoc.65$_V4.3@read1.cgocable.net...
> > Here's an article from The Car Connection, the resident mechanic is
> > noticing huge increases in prices. Seems like the manufacturers found a
> > way to offset the cost of all of the rebates and low finance rates.
> >
> > http://www.thecarconnection.com/inde...&sid=281&n=158
> >
> > Mort
> >
> > Del Rawlins wrote:
> > > In <N7aoc.17179$QaS.8754@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.ro gers.com>
Cherokee-
> > > LTD wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >>Can anyone justify a $600 difference between Delco arms and 'white
> > >>box'? I'll probably end up with the TRW's... PartSource has them in
> > >>stock and I like to support a store that offers a free loan-a-tool
> > >>program.
> > >
> > >
> > > GM idler arms are CRAP. Buy the MOOG "problem solver" replacement
arms,
> > > even if you have to pay more for them. Be sure to check the other
> > > joints for wear and then get it re-aligned after the work is done.
> > >
> > > ----------------------------------------------------
> > > Del Rawlins- del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org
> > > Remove _kills_spammers_ to reply via email.
> > > Unofficial Bearhawk FAQ website:
> > > http://www.rawlinsbrothers.org/bhfaq/
> >
>
>
>

 

Jerry; Do you always have a cynical point of view. GM does not have
wonderful little elves making there brake rotors or any other of there parts
either . Who makes the parts for GM? Your complaining about how the
customer is being ripped off at your dealership and then stating that it's
just tough ---- and you need to support the world of retired and future GM
employees. It sounds like to me that GM supported the forced child labor
companies and put on ---- rotors in the beginning. Auto manufactures
have been out sourcing parts for years. I'll buy from a union man or woman
every time if possible. Now lets see how much is the dealer paying for his
parts and how much is he marking them up to pay for your wages and putting
the remainder of the 200% in his fat little picket. What does your father
own the dealership? Get real

--
CJ & XJ JIMMIE VP.of The North Iowa Off-road Club
"Jerry Newton" <leaveme@lone.net> wrote in message
news:40a188cb_3@newspeer2.tds.net...
> Astro vans use two idler arms, it is a unique steering setup, and no, the
> idler arms aren't very good. Go with the Moog, like the other guy
> suggested. If you are handy, you can install them yourself.
>
> I work for a GM dealer, and parts prices are out of control. Dealerships
> aren't the root of this evil, we are just passing the savings along. Just
> today, the owner of a 2002 Chevy truck brought it to me because of some
> brake concerns. What he needed was four new rotors, due to corrosion and
> flaking of the brake surface. Total cost of parts alone: $1086. I can
> think of no reason to charge over $400 apiece for rear brake rotors, but
> hey, I am not the union-controlled manufacturer of said parts.
>
> The alternative to this particular fellow's dilemma is to purchase
> aftermarket (read: Chinese forced child labor camp) brake rotors for a
> fraction of the price. So now you have that on your conscience as well.
> You decide.
>
> Jerry
>
>
> "Mort" <jmorton@on.aibn.nospamcom> wrote in message
> news:ccfoc.65$_V4.3@read1.cgocable.net...
> > Here's an article from The Car Connection, the resident mechanic is
> > noticing huge increases in prices. Seems like the manufacturers found a
> > way to offset the cost of all of the rebates and low finance rates.
> >
> > http://www.thecarconnection.com/inde...&sid=281&n=158
> >
> > Mort
> >
> > Del Rawlins wrote:
> > > In <N7aoc.17179$QaS.8754@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.ro gers.com>
Cherokee-
> > > LTD wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >>Can anyone justify a $600 difference between Delco arms and 'white
> > >>box'? I'll probably end up with the TRW's... PartSource has them in
> > >>stock and I like to support a store that offers a free loan-a-tool
> > >>program.
> > >
> > >
> > > GM idler arms are CRAP. Buy the MOOG "problem solver" replacement
arms,
> > > even if you have to pay more for them. Be sure to check the other
> > > joints for wear and then get it re-aligned after the work is done.
> > >
> > > ----------------------------------------------------
> > > Del Rawlins- del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org
> > > Remove _kills_spammers_ to reply via email.
> > > Unofficial Bearhawk FAQ website:
> > > http://www.rawlinsbrothers.org/bhfaq/
> >
>
>
>

 

Hi Jim, and thanks for your response.

My father does not own a dealership.

Parts markup is in the neighborhood of 40%.

It is just an unfortunate fact that American made brake rotors cost more
money. It is a personal decision that each of us must make when it is time
to replace parts. Do you feed hard working American families, or do you
feed the Chinese forced labor camp money machine? Go ahead and answer
truthfully, I am not judging you.

I am not cynical, I was simply trying to be helpful. Now at least our
subject is well-informed about his choices, and can decide for himself.


Thanks again for the conversation. It is always lovely to debate with you.


Jerry


"JIM LAIRD" <CJ & XJ Jimmie@Jeepnet.net> wrote in message
news:KmPoc.51$8I3.38896@news.uswest.net...
> Jerry; Do you always have a cynical point of view. GM does not have
> wonderful little elves making there brake rotors or any other of there
parts
> either . Who makes the parts for GM? Your complaining about how the
> customer is being ripped off at your dealership and then stating that it's
> just tough ---- and you need to support the world of retired and future GM
> employees. It sounds like to me that GM supported the forced child labor
> companies and put on ---- rotors in the beginning. Auto manufactures
> have been out sourcing parts for years. I'll buy from a union man or woman
> every time if possible. Now lets see how much is the dealer paying for
his
> parts and how much is he marking them up to pay for your wages and putting
> the remainder of the 200% in his fat little picket. What does your father
> own the dealership? Get real
>
> --
> CJ & XJ JIMMIE VP.of The North Iowa Off-road Club
> "Jerry Newton" <leaveme@lone.net> wrote in message
> news:40a188cb_3@newspeer2.tds.net...
> > Astro vans use two idler arms, it is a unique steering setup, and no,
the
> > idler arms aren't very good. Go with the Moog, like the other guy
> > suggested. If you are handy, you can install them yourself.
> >
> > I work for a GM dealer, and parts prices are out of control.
Dealerships
> > aren't the root of this evil, we are just passing the savings along.
Just
> > today, the owner of a 2002 Chevy truck brought it to me because of some
> > brake concerns. What he needed was four new rotors, due to corrosion
and
> > flaking of the brake surface. Total cost of parts alone: $1086. I can
> > think of no reason to charge over $400 apiece for rear brake rotors, but
> > hey, I am not the union-controlled manufacturer of said parts.
> >
> > The alternative to this particular fellow's dilemma is to purchase
> > aftermarket (read: Chinese forced child labor camp) brake rotors for a
> > fraction of the price. So now you have that on your conscience as well.
> > You decide.
> >
> > Jerry
> >
> >
> > "Mort" <jmorton@on.aibn.nospamcom> wrote in message
> > news:ccfoc.65$_V4.3@read1.cgocable.net...
> > > Here's an article from The Car Connection, the resident mechanic is
> > > noticing huge increases in prices. Seems like the manufacturers found
a
> > > way to offset the cost of all of the rebates and low finance rates.
> > >
> > > http://www.thecarconnection.com/inde...&sid=281&n=158
> > >
> > > Mort
> > >
> > > Del Rawlins wrote:
> > > > In <N7aoc.17179$QaS.8754@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.ro gers.com>
> Cherokee-
> > > > LTD wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >>Can anyone justify a $600 difference between Delco arms and 'white
> > > >>box'? I'll probably end up with the TRW's... PartSource has them in
> > > >>stock and I like to support a store that offers a free loan-a-tool
> > > >>program.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > GM idler arms are CRAP. Buy the MOOG "problem solver" replacement
> arms,
> > > > even if you have to pay more for them. Be sure to check the other
> > > > joints for wear and then get it re-aligned after the work is done.
> > > >
> > > > ----------------------------------------------------
> > > > Del Rawlins- del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org
> > > > Remove _kills_spammers_ to reply via email.
> > > > Unofficial Bearhawk FAQ website:
> > > > http://www.rawlinsbrothers.org/bhfaq/
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>

 

Hi Jim, and thanks for your response.

My father does not own a dealership.

Parts markup is in the neighborhood of 40%.

It is just an unfortunate fact that American made brake rotors cost more
money. It is a personal decision that each of us must make when it is time
to replace parts. Do you feed hard working American families, or do you
feed the Chinese forced labor camp money machine? Go ahead and answer
truthfully, I am not judging you.

I am not cynical, I was simply trying to be helpful. Now at least our
subject is well-informed about his choices, and can decide for himself.


Thanks again for the conversation. It is always lovely to debate with you.


Jerry


"JIM LAIRD" <CJ & XJ Jimmie@Jeepnet.net> wrote in message
news:KmPoc.51$8I3.38896@news.uswest.net...
> Jerry; Do you always have a cynical point of view. GM does not have
> wonderful little elves making there brake rotors or any other of there
parts
> either . Who makes the parts for GM? Your complaining about how the
> customer is being ripped off at your dealership and then stating that it's
> just tough ---- and you need to support the world of retired and future GM
> employees. It sounds like to me that GM supported the forced child labor
> companies and put on ---- rotors in the beginning. Auto manufactures
> have been out sourcing parts for years. I'll buy from a union man or woman
> every time if possible. Now lets see how much is the dealer paying for
his
> parts and how much is he marking them up to pay for your wages and putting
> the remainder of the 200% in his fat little picket. What does your father
> own the dealership? Get real
>
> --
> CJ & XJ JIMMIE VP.of The North Iowa Off-road Club
> "Jerry Newton" <leaveme@lone.net> wrote in message
> news:40a188cb_3@newspeer2.tds.net...
> > Astro vans use two idler arms, it is a unique steering setup, and no,
the
> > idler arms aren't very good. Go with the Moog, like the other guy
> > suggested. If you are handy, you can install them yourself.
> >
> > I work for a GM dealer, and parts prices are out of control.
Dealerships
> > aren't the root of this evil, we are just passing the savings along.
Just
> > today, the owner of a 2002 Chevy truck brought it to me because of some
> > brake concerns. What he needed was four new rotors, due to corrosion
and
> > flaking of the brake surface. Total cost of parts alone: $1086. I can
> > think of no reason to charge over $400 apiece for rear brake rotors, but
> > hey, I am not the union-controlled manufacturer of said parts.
> >
> > The alternative to this particular fellow's dilemma is to purchase
> > aftermarket (read: Chinese forced child labor camp) brake rotors for a
> > fraction of the price. So now you have that on your conscience as well.
> > You decide.
> >
> > Jerry
> >
> >
> > "Mort" <jmorton@on.aibn.nospamcom> wrote in message
> > news:ccfoc.65$_V4.3@read1.cgocable.net...
> > > Here's an article from The Car Connection, the resident mechanic is
> > > noticing huge increases in prices. Seems like the manufacturers found
a
> > > way to offset the cost of all of the rebates and low finance rates.
> > >
> > > http://www.thecarconnection.com/inde...&sid=281&n=158
> > >
> > > Mort
> > >
> > > Del Rawlins wrote:
> > > > In <N7aoc.17179$QaS.8754@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.ro gers.com>
> Cherokee-
> > > > LTD wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >>Can anyone justify a $600 difference between Delco arms and 'white
> > > >>box'? I'll probably end up with the TRW's... PartSource has them in
> > > >>stock and I like to support a store that offers a free loan-a-tool
> > > >>program.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > GM idler arms are CRAP. Buy the MOOG "problem solver" replacement
> arms,
> > > > even if you have to pay more for them. Be sure to check the other
> > > > joints for wear and then get it re-aligned after the work is done.
> > > >
> > > > ----------------------------------------------------
> > > > Del Rawlins- del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org
> > > > Remove _kills_spammers_ to reply via email.
> > > > Unofficial Bearhawk FAQ website:
> > > > http://www.rawlinsbrothers.org/bhfaq/
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>

 

Hi Jim, and thanks for your response.

My father does not own a dealership.

Parts markup is in the neighborhood of 40%.

It is just an unfortunate fact that American made brake rotors cost more
money. It is a personal decision that each of us must make when it is time
to replace parts. Do you feed hard working American families, or do you
feed the Chinese forced labor camp money machine? Go ahead and answer
truthfully, I am not judging you.

I am not cynical, I was simply trying to be helpful. Now at least our
subject is well-informed about his choices, and can decide for himself.


Thanks again for the conversation. It is always lovely to debate with you.


Jerry


"JIM LAIRD" <CJ & XJ Jimmie@Jeepnet.net> wrote in message
news:KmPoc.51$8I3.38896@news.uswest.net...
> Jerry; Do you always have a cynical point of view. GM does not have
> wonderful little elves making there brake rotors or any other of there
parts
> either . Who makes the parts for GM? Your complaining about how the
> customer is being ripped off at your dealership and then stating that it's
> just tough ---- and you need to support the world of retired and future GM
> employees. It sounds like to me that GM supported the forced child labor
> companies and put on ---- rotors in the beginning. Auto manufactures
> have been out sourcing parts for years. I'll buy from a union man or woman
> every time if possible. Now lets see how much is the dealer paying for
his
> parts and how much is he marking them up to pay for your wages and putting
> the remainder of the 200% in his fat little picket. What does your father
> own the dealership? Get real
>
> --
> CJ & XJ JIMMIE VP.of The North Iowa Off-road Club
> "Jerry Newton" <leaveme@lone.net> wrote in message
> news:40a188cb_3@newspeer2.tds.net...
> > Astro vans use two idler arms, it is a unique steering setup, and no,
the
> > idler arms aren't very good. Go with the Moog, like the other guy
> > suggested. If you are handy, you can install them yourself.
> >
> > I work for a GM dealer, and parts prices are out of control.
Dealerships
> > aren't the root of this evil, we are just passing the savings along.
Just
> > today, the owner of a 2002 Chevy truck brought it to me because of some
> > brake concerns. What he needed was four new rotors, due to corrosion
and
> > flaking of the brake surface. Total cost of parts alone: $1086. I can
> > think of no reason to charge over $400 apiece for rear brake rotors, but
> > hey, I am not the union-controlled manufacturer of said parts.
> >
> > The alternative to this particular fellow's dilemma is to purchase
> > aftermarket (read: Chinese forced child labor camp) brake rotors for a
> > fraction of the price. So now you have that on your conscience as well.
> > You decide.
> >
> > Jerry
> >
> >
> > "Mort" <jmorton@on.aibn.nospamcom> wrote in message
> > news:ccfoc.65$_V4.3@read1.cgocable.net...
> > > Here's an article from The Car Connection, the resident mechanic is
> > > noticing huge increases in prices. Seems like the manufacturers found
a
> > > way to offset the cost of all of the rebates and low finance rates.
> > >
> > > http://www.thecarconnection.com/inde...&sid=281&n=158
> > >
> > > Mort
> > >
> > > Del Rawlins wrote:
> > > > In <N7aoc.17179$QaS.8754@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.ro gers.com>
> Cherokee-
> > > > LTD wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >>Can anyone justify a $600 difference between Delco arms and 'white
> > > >>box'? I'll probably end up with the TRW's... PartSource has them in
> > > >>stock and I like to support a store that offers a free loan-a-tool
> > > >>program.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > GM idler arms are CRAP. Buy the MOOG "problem solver" replacement
> arms,
> > > > even if you have to pay more for them. Be sure to check the other
> > > > joints for wear and then get it re-aligned after the work is done.
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> > > > Del Rawlins- del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org
> > > > Remove _kills_spammers_ to reply via email.
> > > > Unofficial Bearhawk FAQ website:
> > > > http://www.rawlinsbrothers.org/bhfaq/
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