Like I needed another reason not to trust a dealership...
05-12-2004, 12:57 AM
#21
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Re: Like I needed another reason not to trust a dealership...
On Wed, 12 May 2004 02:18:08 UTC "Jerry Newton" <leaveme@lone.net>
wrote:
> The alternative to this particular fellow's dilemma is to purchase
> aftermarket (read: Chinese forced child labor camp) brake rotors for a
> fraction of the price. So now you have that on your conscience as well.
> You decide.
Hmmm... My conscience has a very tenuous connection to my wallet these
days.
--
Will Honea
wrote:
> The alternative to this particular fellow's dilemma is to purchase
> aftermarket (read: Chinese forced child labor camp) brake rotors for a
> fraction of the price. So now you have that on your conscience as well.
> You decide.
Hmmm... My conscience has a very tenuous connection to my wallet these
days.
--
Will Honea
05-12-2004, 01:36 PM
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Re: Like I needed another reason not to trust a dealership...
"Cherokee-LTD" <spammenot@home.com> wrote in message news:<N7aoc.17179$QaS.8754@news01.bloor.is.net.cab le.rogers.com>...
> A little off topic, my 97 Chevy Astro 2WD.
> Took the van in for front brakes... why not do it yourself you ask?
>
> Well, 60k ago it was in for warranty work and I also needed pads. Turns out
> the Delco pads have a lifetime warranty, cool. They called a few hours later
> and said I needed new shoes (soon) as well - I said not to bother, I'll do
> it myself.
>
> The following weekend I took the rear wheels off to see how soon I would
> need shoes... hmm, that's odd, they replaced them! I guess they 'assumed' I
> would want them done while it was in the shop and went ahead with it, and
> then called. I wasn't charged for the rears - their loss.
>
> So, 60k later the pads are squealing and I have a clunk in the front end - I
> thought it was one of the idler arms. A couple hours later they call and
> tell me I need:
>
> (Canadian Funds)
> Front pads = Free + labour
> Rear shoes = They're fine
> 2 rotors = $240.00
> 2 idler arms = $720.00 + 1.2 hrs labour ($111.00)
>
> Fortunately, I work nights and was in bed when they called so when my knees
> buckled I was fine. I told them to install pads only. I haven't checked the
> rotors yet but there were no vibes and have only been turned once - before I
> call BS on them, I will inspect and measure them myself.
>
> On the way home I stopped into another GM dealer a mile away and was quoted
> $362 for the arms.
>
> When I got home I called the jobbers:
> Napa: $281 for Dana / $93 for 'white box'
> PartSource: $240 for TRW / $96 for 'white box'
>
> Can anyone justify a $600 difference between Delco arms and 'white box'?
> I'll probably end up with the TRW's... PartSource has them in stock and I
> like to support a store that offers a free loan-a-tool program.
>
> -Brian
Here's my theory. The 'lifetime warranty' brake pads are made to last
a long time so they are made much harder than 'regular' pads. Being
harder, they wear out your rotors much faster. You end up spending
more $$$ on new rotors. Stick to the less expensive pads which are
intended to wear out and be replaced every 50,000 miles or so. They
are intended to be the expendable parts.
Just my $.02.
TrailMarker.
> A little off topic, my 97 Chevy Astro 2WD.
> Took the van in for front brakes... why not do it yourself you ask?
>
> Well, 60k ago it was in for warranty work and I also needed pads. Turns out
> the Delco pads have a lifetime warranty, cool. They called a few hours later
> and said I needed new shoes (soon) as well - I said not to bother, I'll do
> it myself.
>
> The following weekend I took the rear wheels off to see how soon I would
> need shoes... hmm, that's odd, they replaced them! I guess they 'assumed' I
> would want them done while it was in the shop and went ahead with it, and
> then called. I wasn't charged for the rears - their loss.
>
> So, 60k later the pads are squealing and I have a clunk in the front end - I
> thought it was one of the idler arms. A couple hours later they call and
> tell me I need:
>
> (Canadian Funds)
> Front pads = Free + labour
> Rear shoes = They're fine
> 2 rotors = $240.00
> 2 idler arms = $720.00 + 1.2 hrs labour ($111.00)
>
> Fortunately, I work nights and was in bed when they called so when my knees
> buckled I was fine. I told them to install pads only. I haven't checked the
> rotors yet but there were no vibes and have only been turned once - before I
> call BS on them, I will inspect and measure them myself.
>
> On the way home I stopped into another GM dealer a mile away and was quoted
> $362 for the arms.
>
> When I got home I called the jobbers:
> Napa: $281 for Dana / $93 for 'white box'
> PartSource: $240 for TRW / $96 for 'white box'
>
> Can anyone justify a $600 difference between Delco arms and 'white box'?
> I'll probably end up with the TRW's... PartSource has them in stock and I
> like to support a store that offers a free loan-a-tool program.
>
> -Brian
Here's my theory. The 'lifetime warranty' brake pads are made to last
a long time so they are made much harder than 'regular' pads. Being
harder, they wear out your rotors much faster. You end up spending
more $$$ on new rotors. Stick to the less expensive pads which are
intended to wear out and be replaced every 50,000 miles or so. They
are intended to be the expendable parts.
Just my $.02.
TrailMarker.
05-12-2004, 01:36 PM
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Re: Like I needed another reason not to trust a dealership...
"Cherokee-LTD" <spammenot@home.com> wrote in message news:<N7aoc.17179$QaS.8754@news01.bloor.is.net.cab le.rogers.com>...
> A little off topic, my 97 Chevy Astro 2WD.
> Took the van in for front brakes... why not do it yourself you ask?
>
> Well, 60k ago it was in for warranty work and I also needed pads. Turns out
> the Delco pads have a lifetime warranty, cool. They called a few hours later
> and said I needed new shoes (soon) as well - I said not to bother, I'll do
> it myself.
>
> The following weekend I took the rear wheels off to see how soon I would
> need shoes... hmm, that's odd, they replaced them! I guess they 'assumed' I
> would want them done while it was in the shop and went ahead with it, and
> then called. I wasn't charged for the rears - their loss.
>
> So, 60k later the pads are squealing and I have a clunk in the front end - I
> thought it was one of the idler arms. A couple hours later they call and
> tell me I need:
>
> (Canadian Funds)
> Front pads = Free + labour
> Rear shoes = They're fine
> 2 rotors = $240.00
> 2 idler arms = $720.00 + 1.2 hrs labour ($111.00)
>
> Fortunately, I work nights and was in bed when they called so when my knees
> buckled I was fine. I told them to install pads only. I haven't checked the
> rotors yet but there were no vibes and have only been turned once - before I
> call BS on them, I will inspect and measure them myself.
>
> On the way home I stopped into another GM dealer a mile away and was quoted
> $362 for the arms.
>
> When I got home I called the jobbers:
> Napa: $281 for Dana / $93 for 'white box'
> PartSource: $240 for TRW / $96 for 'white box'
>
> Can anyone justify a $600 difference between Delco arms and 'white box'?
> I'll probably end up with the TRW's... PartSource has them in stock and I
> like to support a store that offers a free loan-a-tool program.
>
> -Brian
Here's my theory. The 'lifetime warranty' brake pads are made to last
a long time so they are made much harder than 'regular' pads. Being
harder, they wear out your rotors much faster. You end up spending
more $$$ on new rotors. Stick to the less expensive pads which are
intended to wear out and be replaced every 50,000 miles or so. They
are intended to be the expendable parts.
Just my $.02.
TrailMarker.
> A little off topic, my 97 Chevy Astro 2WD.
> Took the van in for front brakes... why not do it yourself you ask?
>
> Well, 60k ago it was in for warranty work and I also needed pads. Turns out
> the Delco pads have a lifetime warranty, cool. They called a few hours later
> and said I needed new shoes (soon) as well - I said not to bother, I'll do
> it myself.
>
> The following weekend I took the rear wheels off to see how soon I would
> need shoes... hmm, that's odd, they replaced them! I guess they 'assumed' I
> would want them done while it was in the shop and went ahead with it, and
> then called. I wasn't charged for the rears - their loss.
>
> So, 60k later the pads are squealing and I have a clunk in the front end - I
> thought it was one of the idler arms. A couple hours later they call and
> tell me I need:
>
> (Canadian Funds)
> Front pads = Free + labour
> Rear shoes = They're fine
> 2 rotors = $240.00
> 2 idler arms = $720.00 + 1.2 hrs labour ($111.00)
>
> Fortunately, I work nights and was in bed when they called so when my knees
> buckled I was fine. I told them to install pads only. I haven't checked the
> rotors yet but there were no vibes and have only been turned once - before I
> call BS on them, I will inspect and measure them myself.
>
> On the way home I stopped into another GM dealer a mile away and was quoted
> $362 for the arms.
>
> When I got home I called the jobbers:
> Napa: $281 for Dana / $93 for 'white box'
> PartSource: $240 for TRW / $96 for 'white box'
>
> Can anyone justify a $600 difference between Delco arms and 'white box'?
> I'll probably end up with the TRW's... PartSource has them in stock and I
> like to support a store that offers a free loan-a-tool program.
>
> -Brian
Here's my theory. The 'lifetime warranty' brake pads are made to last
a long time so they are made much harder than 'regular' pads. Being
harder, they wear out your rotors much faster. You end up spending
more $$$ on new rotors. Stick to the less expensive pads which are
intended to wear out and be replaced every 50,000 miles or so. They
are intended to be the expendable parts.
Just my $.02.
TrailMarker.
05-12-2004, 01:36 PM
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Re: Like I needed another reason not to trust a dealership...
"Cherokee-LTD" <spammenot@home.com> wrote in message news:<N7aoc.17179$QaS.8754@news01.bloor.is.net.cab le.rogers.com>...
> A little off topic, my 97 Chevy Astro 2WD.
> Took the van in for front brakes... why not do it yourself you ask?
>
> Well, 60k ago it was in for warranty work and I also needed pads. Turns out
> the Delco pads have a lifetime warranty, cool. They called a few hours later
> and said I needed new shoes (soon) as well - I said not to bother, I'll do
> it myself.
>
> The following weekend I took the rear wheels off to see how soon I would
> need shoes... hmm, that's odd, they replaced them! I guess they 'assumed' I
> would want them done while it was in the shop and went ahead with it, and
> then called. I wasn't charged for the rears - their loss.
>
> So, 60k later the pads are squealing and I have a clunk in the front end - I
> thought it was one of the idler arms. A couple hours later they call and
> tell me I need:
>
> (Canadian Funds)
> Front pads = Free + labour
> Rear shoes = They're fine
> 2 rotors = $240.00
> 2 idler arms = $720.00 + 1.2 hrs labour ($111.00)
>
> Fortunately, I work nights and was in bed when they called so when my knees
> buckled I was fine. I told them to install pads only. I haven't checked the
> rotors yet but there were no vibes and have only been turned once - before I
> call BS on them, I will inspect and measure them myself.
>
> On the way home I stopped into another GM dealer a mile away and was quoted
> $362 for the arms.
>
> When I got home I called the jobbers:
> Napa: $281 for Dana / $93 for 'white box'
> PartSource: $240 for TRW / $96 for 'white box'
>
> Can anyone justify a $600 difference between Delco arms and 'white box'?
> I'll probably end up with the TRW's... PartSource has them in stock and I
> like to support a store that offers a free loan-a-tool program.
>
> -Brian
Here's my theory. The 'lifetime warranty' brake pads are made to last
a long time so they are made much harder than 'regular' pads. Being
harder, they wear out your rotors much faster. You end up spending
more $$$ on new rotors. Stick to the less expensive pads which are
intended to wear out and be replaced every 50,000 miles or so. They
are intended to be the expendable parts.
Just my $.02.
TrailMarker.
> A little off topic, my 97 Chevy Astro 2WD.
> Took the van in for front brakes... why not do it yourself you ask?
>
> Well, 60k ago it was in for warranty work and I also needed pads. Turns out
> the Delco pads have a lifetime warranty, cool. They called a few hours later
> and said I needed new shoes (soon) as well - I said not to bother, I'll do
> it myself.
>
> The following weekend I took the rear wheels off to see how soon I would
> need shoes... hmm, that's odd, they replaced them! I guess they 'assumed' I
> would want them done while it was in the shop and went ahead with it, and
> then called. I wasn't charged for the rears - their loss.
>
> So, 60k later the pads are squealing and I have a clunk in the front end - I
> thought it was one of the idler arms. A couple hours later they call and
> tell me I need:
>
> (Canadian Funds)
> Front pads = Free + labour
> Rear shoes = They're fine
> 2 rotors = $240.00
> 2 idler arms = $720.00 + 1.2 hrs labour ($111.00)
>
> Fortunately, I work nights and was in bed when they called so when my knees
> buckled I was fine. I told them to install pads only. I haven't checked the
> rotors yet but there were no vibes and have only been turned once - before I
> call BS on them, I will inspect and measure them myself.
>
> On the way home I stopped into another GM dealer a mile away and was quoted
> $362 for the arms.
>
> When I got home I called the jobbers:
> Napa: $281 for Dana / $93 for 'white box'
> PartSource: $240 for TRW / $96 for 'white box'
>
> Can anyone justify a $600 difference between Delco arms and 'white box'?
> I'll probably end up with the TRW's... PartSource has them in stock and I
> like to support a store that offers a free loan-a-tool program.
>
> -Brian
Here's my theory. The 'lifetime warranty' brake pads are made to last
a long time so they are made much harder than 'regular' pads. Being
harder, they wear out your rotors much faster. You end up spending
more $$$ on new rotors. Stick to the less expensive pads which are
intended to wear out and be replaced every 50,000 miles or so. They
are intended to be the expendable parts.
Just my $.02.
TrailMarker.
05-12-2004, 01:36 PM
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Re: Like I needed another reason not to trust a dealership...
"Cherokee-LTD" <spammenot@home.com> wrote in message news:<N7aoc.17179$QaS.8754@news01.bloor.is.net.cab le.rogers.com>...
> A little off topic, my 97 Chevy Astro 2WD.
> Took the van in for front brakes... why not do it yourself you ask?
>
> Well, 60k ago it was in for warranty work and I also needed pads. Turns out
> the Delco pads have a lifetime warranty, cool. They called a few hours later
> and said I needed new shoes (soon) as well - I said not to bother, I'll do
> it myself.
>
> The following weekend I took the rear wheels off to see how soon I would
> need shoes... hmm, that's odd, they replaced them! I guess they 'assumed' I
> would want them done while it was in the shop and went ahead with it, and
> then called. I wasn't charged for the rears - their loss.
>
> So, 60k later the pads are squealing and I have a clunk in the front end - I
> thought it was one of the idler arms. A couple hours later they call and
> tell me I need:
>
> (Canadian Funds)
> Front pads = Free + labour
> Rear shoes = They're fine
> 2 rotors = $240.00
> 2 idler arms = $720.00 + 1.2 hrs labour ($111.00)
>
> Fortunately, I work nights and was in bed when they called so when my knees
> buckled I was fine. I told them to install pads only. I haven't checked the
> rotors yet but there were no vibes and have only been turned once - before I
> call BS on them, I will inspect and measure them myself.
>
> On the way home I stopped into another GM dealer a mile away and was quoted
> $362 for the arms.
>
> When I got home I called the jobbers:
> Napa: $281 for Dana / $93 for 'white box'
> PartSource: $240 for TRW / $96 for 'white box'
>
> Can anyone justify a $600 difference between Delco arms and 'white box'?
> I'll probably end up with the TRW's... PartSource has them in stock and I
> like to support a store that offers a free loan-a-tool program.
>
> -Brian
Here's my theory. The 'lifetime warranty' brake pads are made to last
a long time so they are made much harder than 'regular' pads. Being
harder, they wear out your rotors much faster. You end up spending
more $$$ on new rotors. Stick to the less expensive pads which are
intended to wear out and be replaced every 50,000 miles or so. They
are intended to be the expendable parts.
Just my $.02.
TrailMarker.
> A little off topic, my 97 Chevy Astro 2WD.
> Took the van in for front brakes... why not do it yourself you ask?
>
> Well, 60k ago it was in for warranty work and I also needed pads. Turns out
> the Delco pads have a lifetime warranty, cool. They called a few hours later
> and said I needed new shoes (soon) as well - I said not to bother, I'll do
> it myself.
>
> The following weekend I took the rear wheels off to see how soon I would
> need shoes... hmm, that's odd, they replaced them! I guess they 'assumed' I
> would want them done while it was in the shop and went ahead with it, and
> then called. I wasn't charged for the rears - their loss.
>
> So, 60k later the pads are squealing and I have a clunk in the front end - I
> thought it was one of the idler arms. A couple hours later they call and
> tell me I need:
>
> (Canadian Funds)
> Front pads = Free + labour
> Rear shoes = They're fine
> 2 rotors = $240.00
> 2 idler arms = $720.00 + 1.2 hrs labour ($111.00)
>
> Fortunately, I work nights and was in bed when they called so when my knees
> buckled I was fine. I told them to install pads only. I haven't checked the
> rotors yet but there were no vibes and have only been turned once - before I
> call BS on them, I will inspect and measure them myself.
>
> On the way home I stopped into another GM dealer a mile away and was quoted
> $362 for the arms.
>
> When I got home I called the jobbers:
> Napa: $281 for Dana / $93 for 'white box'
> PartSource: $240 for TRW / $96 for 'white box'
>
> Can anyone justify a $600 difference between Delco arms and 'white box'?
> I'll probably end up with the TRW's... PartSource has them in stock and I
> like to support a store that offers a free loan-a-tool program.
>
> -Brian
Here's my theory. The 'lifetime warranty' brake pads are made to last
a long time so they are made much harder than 'regular' pads. Being
harder, they wear out your rotors much faster. You end up spending
more $$$ on new rotors. Stick to the less expensive pads which are
intended to wear out and be replaced every 50,000 miles or so. They
are intended to be the expendable parts.
Just my $.02.
TrailMarker.
05-12-2004, 11:28 PM
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Re: Like I needed another reason not to trust a dealership...
"TrailMarker" <carrollcaboodle@netzero.com> wrote in message
:
: Here's my theory. The 'lifetime warranty' brake pads are made to last
: a long time so they are made much harder than 'regular' pads. Being
: harder, they wear out your rotors much faster. You end up spending
: more $$$ on new rotors. Stick to the less expensive pads which are
: intended to wear out and be replaced every 50,000 miles or so. They
: are intended to be the expendable parts.
: Just my $.02.
: TrailMarker.
I get your point but these pads only had about 35,000 miles (60,000 Kms). On
visual inspection the rotors looked fine but the micrometer will tell the
tale.
-Brian
05-12-2004, 11:28 PM
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Re: Like I needed another reason not to trust a dealership...
"TrailMarker" <carrollcaboodle@netzero.com> wrote in message
:
: Here's my theory. The 'lifetime warranty' brake pads are made to last
: a long time so they are made much harder than 'regular' pads. Being
: harder, they wear out your rotors much faster. You end up spending
: more $$$ on new rotors. Stick to the less expensive pads which are
: intended to wear out and be replaced every 50,000 miles or so. They
: are intended to be the expendable parts.
: Just my $.02.
: TrailMarker.
I get your point but these pads only had about 35,000 miles (60,000 Kms). On
visual inspection the rotors looked fine but the micrometer will tell the
tale.
-Brian
05-12-2004, 11:28 PM
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Re: Like I needed another reason not to trust a dealership...
"TrailMarker" <carrollcaboodle@netzero.com> wrote in message
:
: Here's my theory. The 'lifetime warranty' brake pads are made to last
: a long time so they are made much harder than 'regular' pads. Being
: harder, they wear out your rotors much faster. You end up spending
: more $$$ on new rotors. Stick to the less expensive pads which are
: intended to wear out and be replaced every 50,000 miles or so. They
: are intended to be the expendable parts.
: Just my $.02.
: TrailMarker.
I get your point but these pads only had about 35,000 miles (60,000 Kms). On
visual inspection the rotors looked fine but the micrometer will tell the
tale.
-Brian
05-12-2004, 11:28 PM
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Re: Like I needed another reason not to trust a dealership...
"TrailMarker" <carrollcaboodle@netzero.com> wrote in message
:
: Here's my theory. The 'lifetime warranty' brake pads are made to last
: a long time so they are made much harder than 'regular' pads. Being
: harder, they wear out your rotors much faster. You end up spending
: more $$$ on new rotors. Stick to the less expensive pads which are
: intended to wear out and be replaced every 50,000 miles or so. They
: are intended to be the expendable parts.
: Just my $.02.
: TrailMarker.
I get your point but these pads only had about 35,000 miles (60,000 Kms). On
visual inspection the rotors looked fine but the micrometer will tell the
tale.
-Brian
05-12-2004, 11:38 PM
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Re: Like I needed another reason not to trust a dealership...
"Jerry Newton" <leaveme@lone.net> wrote in message
:
: The alternative to this particular fellow's dilemma is to purchase
: aftermarket (read: Chinese forced child labor camp) brake rotors for a
: fraction of the price. So now you have that on your conscience as well.
: You decide.
:
They've always done a nice job on my Nikes.
-Brian
