jeff

Mike Romain wrote:
>
> When we did it, we managed to make the springs fall out when we unhooked
> the sway bar, no need for a spring compressor.
>
This was on an '06 Rubicon with around 1500 miles. The springs had not
settled yet. Also, rumor has it that the Rubicon springs are longer or
at least that is what ebay'ers claim. Either case I could not get the
front end to open up enough.

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twaldron

jeff wrote:
> Mike Romain wrote:
>
>>
>> When we did it, we managed to make the springs fall out when we
>> unhooked the sway bar, no need for a spring compressor.
>>
> This was on an '06 Rubicon with around 1500 miles. The springs had not
> settled yet. Also, rumor has it that the Rubicon springs are longer or
> at least that is what ebay'ers claim. Either case I could not get the
> front end to open up enough.
>

You can do it. Jack up the opposite side of the axle to push the side
you're working on down. You need to do some disconnecting, but whatever
you disco, it's easier than dealing with those spring compressors!

tw

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twaldron

jeff wrote:
> Mike Romain wrote:
>
>>
>> When we did it, we managed to make the springs fall out when we
>> unhooked the sway bar, no need for a spring compressor.
>>
> This was on an '06 Rubicon with around 1500 miles. The springs had not
> settled yet. Also, rumor has it that the Rubicon springs are longer or
> at least that is what ebay'ers claim. Either case I could not get the
> front end to open up enough.
>

You can do it. Jack up the opposite side of the axle to push the side
you're working on down. You need to do some disconnecting, but whatever
you disco, it's easier than dealing with those spring compressors!

tw

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twaldron

jeff wrote:
> Mike Romain wrote:
>
>>
>> When we did it, we managed to make the springs fall out when we
>> unhooked the sway bar, no need for a spring compressor.
>>
> This was on an '06 Rubicon with around 1500 miles. The springs had not
> settled yet. Also, rumor has it that the Rubicon springs are longer or
> at least that is what ebay'ers claim. Either case I could not get the
> front end to open up enough.
>

You can do it. Jack up the opposite side of the axle to push the side
you're working on down. You need to do some disconnecting, but whatever
you disco, it's easier than dealing with those spring compressors!

tw

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twaldron

jeff wrote:
> Mike Romain wrote:
>
>>
>> When we did it, we managed to make the springs fall out when we
>> unhooked the sway bar, no need for a spring compressor.
>>
> This was on an '06 Rubicon with around 1500 miles. The springs had not
> settled yet. Also, rumor has it that the Rubicon springs are longer or
> at least that is what ebay'ers claim. Either case I could not get the
> front end to open up enough.
>

You can do it. Jack up the opposite side of the axle to push the side
you're working on down. You need to do some disconnecting, but whatever
you disco, it's easier than dealing with those spring compressors!

tw

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twaldron

Mike Romain wrote:

> twaldron wrote:
>
>> jeff wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Scott,
>>> 4wheelcustoms.com has a 2.25" spacer kit for around $80. Their
>>> complete kit with shocks is a little pricey ($225) I purchased
>>> Skyjacker hydros separately for about $32 each. Front H7016, Rear
>>> H7018. Nitros are a bit more money and will not give as nice a road
>>> ride but will take a harder pounding. My install took around 4 hours,
>>> but I had to run out and get a spring compressor and beer. Ride is as
>>> good as stock, and no driveline vibes. Start hosing your bolts down
>>> with penetrating oil before you order parts.
>>>
>>
>> You don't need a spring compressor to do this job, but icing down beer
>> is a good idea (although I always wait until the job is done). Don't
>> forget to re-align your front end after the installation because your
>> toe WILL be out.
>>
>> tw
>>
>
> I only think his steering wheel drag link will be out. I don't think
> the toe gets tagged on the solid axle lift.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

Sure it does. It won't be a lot on the 2" spacer lift, but it will be
enough to chew up the tires over a month or so. It is even worse on a 4+
lift. In fact, it's pretty undriveable until you set the toe. It will
walk like Michael Jackson. But yes, you need to reset the drag link too!

tw

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twaldron

Mike Romain wrote:

> twaldron wrote:
>
>> jeff wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Scott,
>>> 4wheelcustoms.com has a 2.25" spacer kit for around $80. Their
>>> complete kit with shocks is a little pricey ($225) I purchased
>>> Skyjacker hydros separately for about $32 each. Front H7016, Rear
>>> H7018. Nitros are a bit more money and will not give as nice a road
>>> ride but will take a harder pounding. My install took around 4 hours,
>>> but I had to run out and get a spring compressor and beer. Ride is as
>>> good as stock, and no driveline vibes. Start hosing your bolts down
>>> with penetrating oil before you order parts.
>>>
>>
>> You don't need a spring compressor to do this job, but icing down beer
>> is a good idea (although I always wait until the job is done). Don't
>> forget to re-align your front end after the installation because your
>> toe WILL be out.
>>
>> tw
>>
>
> I only think his steering wheel drag link will be out. I don't think
> the toe gets tagged on the solid axle lift.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

Sure it does. It won't be a lot on the 2" spacer lift, but it will be
enough to chew up the tires over a month or so. It is even worse on a 4+
lift. In fact, it's pretty undriveable until you set the toe. It will
walk like Michael Jackson. But yes, you need to reset the drag link too!

tw

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twaldron

Mike Romain wrote:

> twaldron wrote:
>
>> jeff wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Scott,
>>> 4wheelcustoms.com has a 2.25" spacer kit for around $80. Their
>>> complete kit with shocks is a little pricey ($225) I purchased
>>> Skyjacker hydros separately for about $32 each. Front H7016, Rear
>>> H7018. Nitros are a bit more money and will not give as nice a road
>>> ride but will take a harder pounding. My install took around 4 hours,
>>> but I had to run out and get a spring compressor and beer. Ride is as
>>> good as stock, and no driveline vibes. Start hosing your bolts down
>>> with penetrating oil before you order parts.
>>>
>>
>> You don't need a spring compressor to do this job, but icing down beer
>> is a good idea (although I always wait until the job is done). Don't
>> forget to re-align your front end after the installation because your
>> toe WILL be out.
>>
>> tw
>>
>
> I only think his steering wheel drag link will be out. I don't think
> the toe gets tagged on the solid axle lift.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

Sure it does. It won't be a lot on the 2" spacer lift, but it will be
enough to chew up the tires over a month or so. It is even worse on a 4+
lift. In fact, it's pretty undriveable until you set the toe. It will
walk like Michael Jackson. But yes, you need to reset the drag link too!

tw

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twaldron

Mike Romain wrote:

> twaldron wrote:
>
>> jeff wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Scott,
>>> 4wheelcustoms.com has a 2.25" spacer kit for around $80. Their
>>> complete kit with shocks is a little pricey ($225) I purchased
>>> Skyjacker hydros separately for about $32 each. Front H7016, Rear
>>> H7018. Nitros are a bit more money and will not give as nice a road
>>> ride but will take a harder pounding. My install took around 4 hours,
>>> but I had to run out and get a spring compressor and beer. Ride is as
>>> good as stock, and no driveline vibes. Start hosing your bolts down
>>> with penetrating oil before you order parts.
>>>
>>
>> You don't need a spring compressor to do this job, but icing down beer
>> is a good idea (although I always wait until the job is done). Don't
>> forget to re-align your front end after the installation because your
>> toe WILL be out.
>>
>> tw
>>
>
> I only think his steering wheel drag link will be out. I don't think
> the toe gets tagged on the solid axle lift.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

Sure it does. It won't be a lot on the 2" spacer lift, but it will be
enough to chew up the tires over a month or so. It is even worse on a 4+
lift. In fact, it's pretty undriveable until you set the toe. It will
walk like Michael Jackson. But yes, you need to reset the drag link too!

tw

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Matt Macchiarolo

"twaldron" <twaldron@OBVIOUSaol.com> wrote in message
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> Mike Romain wrote:
>
>> twaldron wrote:
>>
>>> jeff wrote:
>>>
>>
>> I only think his steering wheel drag link will be out. I don't think the
>> toe gets tagged on the solid axle lift.
>>
>> Mike
>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> Sure it does. It won't be a lot on the 2" spacer lift, but it will be
> enough to chew up the tires over a month or so. It is even worse on a 4+
> lift. In fact, it's pretty undriveable until you set the toe. It will walk
> like Michael Jackson. But yes, you need to reset the drag link too!
>

Mike, here's a pic that should illustrate, it's an XJ but it's virtually
identical to the TJ. The tie rod doesn't go from knuckle to knuckle, it is
connected to the drag link inboard of the pass side knuckle, and the drag
link end is connected to the knuckle. If you lift the suspension, you
increase the drag link angle, which will give you excessive toe-in.
http://www.m1911.org/images/Cherokee/varkiza/10.jpg