Re: Liberty diesel...when?
 

"Big Daddy" <DontBother@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:3f52c4aa$0$13111$a04e5680@nnrp.fuse.net...
> curt wrote:
>
> > The maintenance on diesels is much better than a gasser too. Nothing
but
> > change oil. If you are lucky enough to own a Mercedes diesel you can
> > drive
> > them for 350 K ++ and do almost nothing to them. There are some driving
> > around with over 1 million miles on them.
>
> Yes, but when they do need work, it can get costly.

I certainly can't argue there. Very expensive when they need work.

Curt

Re: Liberty diesel...when?
 

Approximately 9/1/03 05:39, F. Robert Falbo uttered for posterity:

> In message <rcz4b.4350$cQ1.1277926@kent.svc.tds.net>, "A.H. MacIntosh aka
> USERNAME" wrote:
>
>> But you can always get the motor off dino-fuel, and burn biodiesel... your
>> jeep will smell like burning deepfryer grease, but it's a small price to
>> pay.
>
> GREASEL I've been checking out their site every now and then. I wonder what
> the exhaust would smell like if all you had was Olive Oil to use? :P
>
>
Better than what the driver would smell like if all that was available
to burn was Castor Oil....

Re: Liberty diesel...when?
 

Approximately 9/1/03 05:39, F. Robert Falbo uttered for posterity:

> In message <rcz4b.4350$cQ1.1277926@kent.svc.tds.net>, "A.H. MacIntosh aka
> USERNAME" wrote:
>
>> But you can always get the motor off dino-fuel, and burn biodiesel... your
>> jeep will smell like burning deepfryer grease, but it's a small price to
>> pay.
>
> GREASEL I've been checking out their site every now and then. I wonder what
> the exhaust would smell like if all you had was Olive Oil to use? :P
>
>
Better than what the driver would smell like if all that was available
to burn was Castor Oil....

Re: Liberty diesel...when?
 

muffled clapping??? more like someone left a set of 1/2 inch sockets rolling
about in the crankcase.

"F. Robert Falbo" <rfalbo1@twcny.rr.com> wrote in message
news:Z_G4b.32875$lk1.24141@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
> In message <opi5lv8m2kesn0gh99k98k0tspkm5e485c@4ax.com>, bllsht wrote:
>
> >> The only visible exhaust I got was when I started cold - even at 80
degrees
> >> my diesel emitted what looked like smoke untill it warmed up a bit -
that
> >> was not smoke, but raw unburned diesel fuel (white in color)
>
> > Oh, and that's supposed to be better than spewing burned diesel fuel?
>
> No worse than spilling it on the ground and letting it evaporate
>
> > Diesels stink and they are noisy.
>
> Mine emitted a typical muffled clapping sound when ideling, but when
driving,
> it sounded much quieter than many cars. As for exhaust smell, all I can
say is
> that the smell depends alot on the quality and mixture of fuel used. Mine
had
> a fairly neutral smell, faintly dieselish, while some dump trucks I've
been
> behind have a rather acrid smell, like they were burning orange peels or
> something, and made my nose wrinkle. Maybe part of the smell has to do
with
> engine design, but I'd guess it's mostly to do with the grade of fuel and
the
> impurities... remember that Diesel fuel in the US has a high amount of
sulfer
> in it - so high that it ate a hole in my aluminum fuel filter housing!
>
> --
> -bob-
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Re: Liberty diesel...when?
 

muffled clapping??? more like someone left a set of 1/2 inch sockets rolling
about in the crankcase.

"F. Robert Falbo" <rfalbo1@twcny.rr.com> wrote in message
news:Z_G4b.32875$lk1.24141@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
> In message <opi5lv8m2kesn0gh99k98k0tspkm5e485c@4ax.com>, bllsht wrote:
>
> >> The only visible exhaust I got was when I started cold - even at 80
degrees
> >> my diesel emitted what looked like smoke untill it warmed up a bit -
that
> >> was not smoke, but raw unburned diesel fuel (white in color)
>
> > Oh, and that's supposed to be better than spewing burned diesel fuel?
>
> No worse than spilling it on the ground and letting it evaporate
>
> > Diesels stink and they are noisy.
>
> Mine emitted a typical muffled clapping sound when ideling, but when
driving,
> it sounded much quieter than many cars. As for exhaust smell, all I can
say is
> that the smell depends alot on the quality and mixture of fuel used. Mine
had
> a fairly neutral smell, faintly dieselish, while some dump trucks I've
been
> behind have a rather acrid smell, like they were burning orange peels or
> something, and made my nose wrinkle. Maybe part of the smell has to do
with
> engine design, but I'd guess it's mostly to do with the grade of fuel and
the
> impurities... remember that Diesel fuel in the US has a high amount of
sulfer
> in it - so high that it ate a hole in my aluminum fuel filter housing!
>
> --
> -bob-
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Re: Liberty diesel...when?
 

In article <20030830113923.07600.00000158@mb-m17.aol.com>, wam11@aol.com
(WAM11) writes:

>Anything new on when it will hit the dealer's showroom? I know that it will
>be
>a 2005 model, but "when"...

September 2004.
Jim

88 Grand Wagoneer
89 Wrangler
00 Grand Cherokee

Re: Liberty diesel...when?
 

In article <20030830113923.07600.00000158@mb-m17.aol.com>, wam11@aol.com
(WAM11) writes:

>Anything new on when it will hit the dealer's showroom? I know that it will
>be
>a 2005 model, but "when"...

September 2004.
Jim

88 Grand Wagoneer
89 Wrangler
00 Grand Cherokee

Re: Liberty diesel...when?
 

I'll buy you an ear-trumpet for Christmas, you old curmudgeon :-)

[WHAT WAS THAT ? STRUMPET ?? ]

Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara

"Earle Horton" <enfermero_diabolico@registerednurses.com> wrote in message
news:bj4t46$feiar$1@ID-147790.news.uni-berlin.de...
: WHAT? I CAN'T HEAR YOU! MY NEIGHBOR JUST STARTED UP HIS MERCEDES!
COUGH,
: COUGH, I LEFT THE WINDOW OPEN TOO!
:
: Earle
:
: "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
: news:IKg5b.1152$s52.9037871@news-text.cableinet.net...
: > Mercedes make diesels that are quieter than Jeep petrol engines.
: > --
: > Dave Milne, Scotland
: > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
: >
: > "Earle Horton" <enfermero_diabolico@registerednurses.com> wrote in
message
: > news:bj3b1l$es1bv$1@ID-147790.news.uni-berlin.de...
: > : WHAT? I CAN'T HEAR YOU! (THEY'RE WORKING ON THE ROAD BY MY HOUSE! I
: > THINK
: > : MOST OF THE EQUIPMENT IS DIESEL!)
: > :
: > : Earle
: > :
: > : "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
: > : news:3F551C34.F750FBE6@cox.net...
: > : > You wrote the diesel is "very smooth"? LOL, most people would
: swear
: > : > it's about to throw a rod! And they usually tell you that, don't
they?
: > : > At least when I was driving a tractor they did.
: > : > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
: > : > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
: > : >
: > : > "F. Robert Falbo" wrote:
: > : > >
: > : > > I kind of like it. When a diesel is idling, you can hear every
: > cylinder
: > : fire -
: > : > > very smooth, unlike most gasoline engines, which tend to wander
back
: > and
: > : forth
: > : > > because they have to be enriched to keep idling - diesels need no
: idle
: > : > > enrichment, so idle is very efficient, where gas engines are
: > inefficient
: > : at
: > : > > idle. You can't expect twice the compression to sound quiet
: (normally
: > : > > aspirated diesels are about 22:1 or 23:1 compression, where
: > Turbodiesels
: > : are
: > : > > about 21:1.
: > : > >
: > : > > --
: > : > > -bob-
: > :
: > :
: >
: >
:
:

Re: Liberty diesel...when?
 

I'll buy you an ear-trumpet for Christmas, you old curmudgeon :-)

[WHAT WAS THAT ? STRUMPET ?? ]

Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara

"Earle Horton" <enfermero_diabolico@registerednurses.com> wrote in message
news:bj4t46$feiar$1@ID-147790.news.uni-berlin.de...
: WHAT? I CAN'T HEAR YOU! MY NEIGHBOR JUST STARTED UP HIS MERCEDES!
COUGH,
: COUGH, I LEFT THE WINDOW OPEN TOO!
:
: Earle
:
: "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
: news:IKg5b.1152$s52.9037871@news-text.cableinet.net...
: > Mercedes make diesels that are quieter than Jeep petrol engines.
: > --
: > Dave Milne, Scotland
: > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
: >
: > "Earle Horton" <enfermero_diabolico@registerednurses.com> wrote in
message
: > news:bj3b1l$es1bv$1@ID-147790.news.uni-berlin.de...
: > : WHAT? I CAN'T HEAR YOU! (THEY'RE WORKING ON THE ROAD BY MY HOUSE! I
: > THINK
: > : MOST OF THE EQUIPMENT IS DIESEL!)
: > :
: > : Earle
: > :
: > : "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
: > : news:3F551C34.F750FBE6@cox.net...
: > : > You wrote the diesel is "very smooth"? LOL, most people would
: swear
: > : > it's about to throw a rod! And they usually tell you that, don't
they?
: > : > At least when I was driving a tractor they did.
: > : > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
: > : > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
: > : >
: > : > "F. Robert Falbo" wrote:
: > : > >
: > : > > I kind of like it. When a diesel is idling, you can hear every
: > cylinder
: > : fire -
: > : > > very smooth, unlike most gasoline engines, which tend to wander
back
: > and
: > : forth
: > : > > because they have to be enriched to keep idling - diesels need no
: idle
: > : > > enrichment, so idle is very efficient, where gas engines are
: > inefficient
: > : at
: > : > > idle. You can't expect twice the compression to sound quiet
: (normally
: > : > > aspirated diesels are about 22:1 or 23:1 compression, where
: > Turbodiesels
: > : are
: > : > > about 21:1.
: > : > >
: > : > > --
: > : > > -bob-
: > :
: > :
: >
: >
:
:

Re: Liberty diesel...when?
 

Ditto. Not the ones in Kalifornia, they have too carry a ton of
installation material to turn the engine compartment into a giant
muffler.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Earle Horton wrote:
>
> WHAT? I CAN'T HEAR YOU! MY NEIGHBOR JUST STARTED UP HIS MERCEDES! COUGH,
> COUGH, I LEFT THE WINDOW OPEN TOO!
>
> Earle