Re: Liberty diesel...when?
 

curt wrote:

> The maintenance on diesels is much better than a gasser too. Nothing but
> change oil. If you are lucky enough to own a Mercedes diesel you can
> drive
> them for 350 K ++ and do almost nothing to them. There are some driving
> around with over 1 million miles on them.

Yes, but when they do need work, it can get costly.

Re: Liberty diesel...when?
 

F. Robert Falbo wrote:

> In message <3f520920$0$52144$a0465688@nnrp.fuse.net>, Big Daddy wrote:
>
>> Diesels work best as haulers as their torque comes in very strong at very
>> low rpms. For daily transportation, they're too slow, to costly to fix,
>> smelly, and finding a gas station better not be a last minute decision.
>
> Let me start this post off on a good note and tell you that having driven
> a
> TurboDiesel sedan for 13 years, you are full of ----. I drove mine into
> places that had never even seen a car like mine, and put lots of highway
> miles on it. Yes, it wouldn't burn the tires off the line (automatic), but
> mine got moving pretty damned quickly. (My previous car had been a 280ZX,
> so I had a pretty
> good idea of off-line acceleration). No, I wouldn't own one w/o a turbo,
> but the turbodiesel is an ideal combination.
>
> Too costly to fix? If you ignore a waterpump & alternator, which are
> actually ancillary items, I can say that my Turbodiesel cost me about $100
> in 13 years, and that was to finally replace the injector tips, which I
> did for free at my
> local Mercedes dealer. (Show me a gas engine that can go for 13 years w/o
> a plug change.)
>
> Smelly? Hell, I LOVE the smell of diesel fuel compared to the sickening
> smell
> of many catalytic equiped gas cars. As for smoking, a well designed
> diesel
> that's properly run will not smoke. I NEVER saw smoke from my diesel, but
> followed many a Mercedes diesel that smoked like a banshee. The only
> visible exhaust I got was when I started cold - even at 80 degrees my
> diesel emitted what looked like smoke untill it warmed up a bit - that was
> not smoke, but raw unburned diesel fuel (white in color)
>
> Gas stations - even the most remote locations in the US have diesel pumps.
> My car actually came with a map of many stations that sold diesel just in
> case, but I never needed it, and I traveled to some real "bumbfu*k" out of
> the way places.
>
> Oh yeah, you're probably wondering what I had, huh? It was a 1981 Peugeot
> 505STD with their XDS diesel engine, AiResearch Turbo, Bosch mechanical
> injection. You were right on 1 point - The car went to the grave because
> the body rusted to pieces.

Let's seperate the facts from fiction here. Yes, they are reliable. However,
they don't like cold weather and you need to keep them warm if you want to
start them the next morning, and when they do need work, it can get costly
as the parts aren't readily available and only a fraction of trained
mechanics are trained to work on diesels.

Secondly, have you went down to a local gas station that isn't located next
to a highway? They usually don't carry diesel. I drive a diesel truck daily
for trips up to 150 miles away and I have to keep track of which BP
stations off the highway carry diesel so I know where I can gas up. From my
work, there are 3 stations nearby and only one of them has diesel and it's
the one by the highway. We've had trucks run out of gas before because they
didn't pay attention to the guage and the only stations nearby where they
realized they were getting low didn't carry diesel. You have to plan your
refueling so that you don't get into such a mess. With gasoline, you can
fill up anywhere.

Re: Liberty diesel...when?
 

F. Robert Falbo wrote:

> In message <3f520920$0$52144$a0465688@nnrp.fuse.net>, Big Daddy wrote:
>
>> Diesels work best as haulers as their torque comes in very strong at very
>> low rpms. For daily transportation, they're too slow, to costly to fix,
>> smelly, and finding a gas station better not be a last minute decision.
>
> Let me start this post off on a good note and tell you that having driven
> a
> TurboDiesel sedan for 13 years, you are full of ----. I drove mine into
> places that had never even seen a car like mine, and put lots of highway
> miles on it. Yes, it wouldn't burn the tires off the line (automatic), but
> mine got moving pretty damned quickly. (My previous car had been a 280ZX,
> so I had a pretty
> good idea of off-line acceleration). No, I wouldn't own one w/o a turbo,
> but the turbodiesel is an ideal combination.
>
> Too costly to fix? If you ignore a waterpump & alternator, which are
> actually ancillary items, I can say that my Turbodiesel cost me about $100
> in 13 years, and that was to finally replace the injector tips, which I
> did for free at my
> local Mercedes dealer. (Show me a gas engine that can go for 13 years w/o
> a plug change.)
>
> Smelly? Hell, I LOVE the smell of diesel fuel compared to the sickening
> smell
> of many catalytic equiped gas cars. As for smoking, a well designed
> diesel
> that's properly run will not smoke. I NEVER saw smoke from my diesel, but
> followed many a Mercedes diesel that smoked like a banshee. The only
> visible exhaust I got was when I started cold - even at 80 degrees my
> diesel emitted what looked like smoke untill it warmed up a bit - that was
> not smoke, but raw unburned diesel fuel (white in color)
>
> Gas stations - even the most remote locations in the US have diesel pumps.
> My car actually came with a map of many stations that sold diesel just in
> case, but I never needed it, and I traveled to some real "bumbfu*k" out of
> the way places.
>
> Oh yeah, you're probably wondering what I had, huh? It was a 1981 Peugeot
> 505STD with their XDS diesel engine, AiResearch Turbo, Bosch mechanical
> injection. You were right on 1 point - The car went to the grave because
> the body rusted to pieces.

Let's seperate the facts from fiction here. Yes, they are reliable. However,
they don't like cold weather and you need to keep them warm if you want to
start them the next morning, and when they do need work, it can get costly
as the parts aren't readily available and only a fraction of trained
mechanics are trained to work on diesels.

Secondly, have you went down to a local gas station that isn't located next
to a highway? They usually don't carry diesel. I drive a diesel truck daily
for trips up to 150 miles away and I have to keep track of which BP
stations off the highway carry diesel so I know where I can gas up. From my
work, there are 3 stations nearby and only one of them has diesel and it's
the one by the highway. We've had trucks run out of gas before because they
didn't pay attention to the guage and the only stations nearby where they
realized they were getting low didn't carry diesel. You have to plan your
refueling so that you don't get into such a mess. With gasoline, you can
fill up anywhere.

Re: Liberty diesel...when?
 

Lon Stowell wrote:

> Approximately 8/31/03 07:43, Big Daddy uttered for posterity:
>>
>> Motor Trend Magazine:
>>
>> 2002 Jetta TDI1.8 - 90 HP, 0-60 13.8 secs, 1/4 mile 19.4 secs
>>
>> Some power...
>
> OK, how does *this* sound for "power" ?
>
> Don't confuse the concept with the implementation. Or just go drive
> a good Mercedes 300SD and report back.
>
> Volkswagen Touareg V10 TDI
> 4.9 liter twin turbodiesel V10 TDI
> HorsePower: 308bhp
> Torque: 550lb/ft at 2000rpm.
> 0-62mph: 7.8 seconds
> Maximum speed: 140mph
> Economy: 28.8mpg extra urban, 23.2mpg combined
>
> Is being considered for USofA delivery.

As compared to a Dodge Ram RT/10 with a gasoline V10 that has 500+ HP, 500+
lbs torque and no turbochargers at all? I'll give you the turbochargers as
you're giving up displacement, but 308 hp isn't anything to write home
about. That big bulky truck will run circles around that VW... Again, low
power output for daily driving needs that don't require low rpm power such
as hauling or towing. You're better off with a gasoline engine for a daily
driver.

Re: Liberty diesel...when?
 

Lon Stowell wrote:

> Approximately 8/31/03 07:43, Big Daddy uttered for posterity:
>>
>> Motor Trend Magazine:
>>
>> 2002 Jetta TDI1.8 - 90 HP, 0-60 13.8 secs, 1/4 mile 19.4 secs
>>
>> Some power...
>
> OK, how does *this* sound for "power" ?
>
> Don't confuse the concept with the implementation. Or just go drive
> a good Mercedes 300SD and report back.
>
> Volkswagen Touareg V10 TDI
> 4.9 liter twin turbodiesel V10 TDI
> HorsePower: 308bhp
> Torque: 550lb/ft at 2000rpm.
> 0-62mph: 7.8 seconds
> Maximum speed: 140mph
> Economy: 28.8mpg extra urban, 23.2mpg combined
>
> Is being considered for USofA delivery.

As compared to a Dodge Ram RT/10 with a gasoline V10 that has 500+ HP, 500+
lbs torque and no turbochargers at all? I'll give you the turbochargers as
you're giving up displacement, but 308 hp isn't anything to write home
about. That big bulky truck will run circles around that VW... Again, low
power output for daily driving needs that don't require low rpm power such
as hauling or towing. You're better off with a gasoline engine for a daily
driver.

Re: Liberty diesel...when?
 

"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" wrote ...
> Sure that's why there's rush to put diesel engines in the air.
> There's only one prototype that I can find and they haven't bothered to
> put on wings.

There's one company that has a certified engine and and STC for certain
Cessnas and Pipers that I know of... There's a couple of other companies
that are currently developing certified engines... Lycomming is working on a
diesel also... The thing is, diesels have been traditionally rather heavy
and that is not something that you want in an aircraft... Making a diesel
that is lightweight and reliable is not a trivial endeavor...

Re: Liberty diesel...when?
 

"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" wrote ...
> Sure that's why there's rush to put diesel engines in the air.
> There's only one prototype that I can find and they haven't bothered to
> put on wings.

There's one company that has a certified engine and and STC for certain
Cessnas and Pipers that I know of... There's a couple of other companies
that are currently developing certified engines... Lycomming is working on a
diesel also... The thing is, diesels have been traditionally rather heavy
and that is not something that you want in an aircraft... Making a diesel
that is lightweight and reliable is not a trivial endeavor...

Re: Liberty diesel...when?
 

In message <uet4b.32091$lk1.30929@twister.nyroc.rr.com>, "F. Robert Falbo"
wrote:

>In message <3f520920$0$52144$a0465688@nnrp.fuse.net>, Big Daddy wrote:
>
>> Diesels work best as haulers as their torque comes in very strong at very
>> low rpms. For daily transportation, they're too slow, to costly to fix,
>> smelly, and finding a gas station better not be a last minute decision.
>
>Let me start this post off on a good note and tell you that having driven a
>TurboDiesel sedan for 13 years, you are full of ----. I drove mine into places
>that had never even seen a car like mine, and put lots of highway miles on it.
>Yes, it wouldn't burn the tires off the line (automatic), but mine got moving
>pretty damned quickly. (My previous car had been a 280ZX, so I had a pretty
>good idea of off-line acceleration). No, I wouldn't own one w/o a turbo, but
>the turbodiesel is an ideal combination.
>
>Too costly to fix? If you ignore a waterpump & alternator, which are actually
>ancillary items, I can say that my Turbodiesel cost me about $100 in 13 years,
>and that was to finally replace the injector tips, which I did for free at my
>local Mercedes dealer. (Show me a gas engine that can go for 13 years w/o a
>plug change.)
>
>Smelly? Hell, I LOVE the smell of diesel fuel compared to the sickening smell
>of many catalytic equiped gas cars. As for smoking, a well designed diesel
>that's properly run will not smoke. I NEVER saw smoke from my diesel, but
>followed many a Mercedes diesel that smoked like a banshee. The only visible
>exhaust I got was when I started cold - even at 80 degrees my diesel emitted
>what looked like smoke untill it warmed up a bit - that was not smoke, but raw
>unburned diesel fuel (white in color)

Oh, and that's supposed to be better than spewing burned diesel fuel? Give me a
break.

Diesels stink and they are noisy. Leave them in Europe where they belong.

>
>Gas stations - even the most remote locations in the US have diesel pumps. My
>car actually came with a map of many stations that sold diesel just in case,
>but I never needed it, and I traveled to some real "bumbfu*k" out of the way
>places.
>
>Oh yeah, you're probably wondering what I had, huh? It was a 1981 Peugeot
>505STD with their XDS diesel engine, AiResearch Turbo, Bosch mechanical
>injection. You were right on 1 point - The car went to the grave because the
>body rusted to pieces.

Re: Liberty diesel...when?
 

In message <uet4b.32091$lk1.30929@twister.nyroc.rr.com>, "F. Robert Falbo"
wrote:

>In message <3f520920$0$52144$a0465688@nnrp.fuse.net>, Big Daddy wrote:
>
>> Diesels work best as haulers as their torque comes in very strong at very
>> low rpms. For daily transportation, they're too slow, to costly to fix,
>> smelly, and finding a gas station better not be a last minute decision.
>
>Let me start this post off on a good note and tell you that having driven a
>TurboDiesel sedan for 13 years, you are full of ----. I drove mine into places
>that had never even seen a car like mine, and put lots of highway miles on it.
>Yes, it wouldn't burn the tires off the line (automatic), but mine got moving
>pretty damned quickly. (My previous car had been a 280ZX, so I had a pretty
>good idea of off-line acceleration). No, I wouldn't own one w/o a turbo, but
>the turbodiesel is an ideal combination.
>
>Too costly to fix? If you ignore a waterpump & alternator, which are actually
>ancillary items, I can say that my Turbodiesel cost me about $100 in 13 years,
>and that was to finally replace the injector tips, which I did for free at my
>local Mercedes dealer. (Show me a gas engine that can go for 13 years w/o a
>plug change.)
>
>Smelly? Hell, I LOVE the smell of diesel fuel compared to the sickening smell
>of many catalytic equiped gas cars. As for smoking, a well designed diesel
>that's properly run will not smoke. I NEVER saw smoke from my diesel, but
>followed many a Mercedes diesel that smoked like a banshee. The only visible
>exhaust I got was when I started cold - even at 80 degrees my diesel emitted
>what looked like smoke untill it warmed up a bit - that was not smoke, but raw
>unburned diesel fuel (white in color)

Oh, and that's supposed to be better than spewing burned diesel fuel? Give me a
break.

Diesels stink and they are noisy. Leave them in Europe where they belong.

>
>Gas stations - even the most remote locations in the US have diesel pumps. My
>car actually came with a map of many stations that sold diesel just in case,
>but I never needed it, and I traveled to some real "bumbfu*k" out of the way
>places.
>
>Oh yeah, you're probably wondering what I had, huh? It was a 1981 Peugeot
>505STD with their XDS diesel engine, AiResearch Turbo, Bosch mechanical
>injection. You were right on 1 point - The car went to the grave because the
>body rusted to pieces.

Re: Liberty diesel...when?
 

I could have easy enough, her father wouldn't even let her park it
in the driveway.
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"A.H. MacIntosh aka USERNAME" wrote:
>
> you didn't help it on it's way, did you?