LED arrays for turn signals, brake lights available yet?
05-24-2005, 08:12 PM
#21
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Re: LED arrays for turn signals, brake lights available yet?
I'd think the FAA would have objections to using non-FAA approved
obstruction lights if they are a permanent part of the airport.
Jerry
Steve wrote:
> are they DOT approved?
> We have equipment at airfields and wanted to use them in our obstruction
> lights...but they were worried that the brilliance wouldn't be the same!
>
>
> "Doug" <pigdos@nospamcharter.net> wrote in message
> news:MF5je.2186$bD5.1262@fe07.lga...
>
>>I've noticed truckers using these arrays, I've heard they last forever
>>relative to conventional filament bulbs. Are they available for passenger
>>cars/trucks yet? What about Cherokees?
>>
>>--
>>Remove nospam to email
>>
>
>
>
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obstruction lights if they are a permanent part of the airport.
Jerry
Steve wrote:
> are they DOT approved?
> We have equipment at airfields and wanted to use them in our obstruction
> lights...but they were worried that the brilliance wouldn't be the same!
>
>
> "Doug" <pigdos@nospamcharter.net> wrote in message
> news:MF5je.2186$bD5.1262@fe07.lga...
>
>>I've noticed truckers using these arrays, I've heard they last forever
>>relative to conventional filament bulbs. Are they available for passenger
>>cars/trucks yet? What about Cherokees?
>>
>>--
>>Remove nospam to email
>>
>
>
>
--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
05-24-2005, 08:27 PM
#22
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Re: LED arrays for turn signals, brake lights available yet?
On Fri, 20 May 2005 17:49:10 -0400, JohnM <eaotis@cbpu.com> wrote:
>Chuck Bremer wrote:
>> there are a handful of companies that make a replacement housing for the XJ
>> Cherokee into which you can insert the trucker-typle LED (or incandescent)
>> lamps. For example.: http://farmboydesigns.com/lights/index.htm
>>
>> I've also seen on TV some companies that make LED arrays that will fit
>> behind the OE lenses on classic cars/trucks.
>>
>
>I saw LED assemblies that were meant to go into the brake light socket
>recently, they were in a dollar-store type tool-store and they wanted a
>lot of money for the made-in-china things too. Probably won't ever see
>any made in the US, eh?
>
>The LED brakelights should be the berries, but I've seen two trucks in
>the past month that had some or all of the LEDs in the unit not working.
>Apparently they're not all that tough.
>
>John
Most of the LED failures of that type that I have seen were due to
poor solder joints (bad quality control). Fix the joint and the LED
lights right back up.
I just read an interesting article about the coming wave of LED
replacement lights (especially for cars) and how they were having
trouble with designing them for headlights because LED lights just
don't penetrate fog well, and because the lack of heat means
headlights would have to have defroster grids for winter ice and
defogging.
I suspect the HID lights will take over long before LED headlights do
but LED is still probably the wave of the future for almost everything
else in a car.
Drifter
"I've been here, I've been there..."
>Chuck Bremer wrote:
>> there are a handful of companies that make a replacement housing for the XJ
>> Cherokee into which you can insert the trucker-typle LED (or incandescent)
>> lamps. For example.: http://farmboydesigns.com/lights/index.htm
>>
>> I've also seen on TV some companies that make LED arrays that will fit
>> behind the OE lenses on classic cars/trucks.
>>
>
>I saw LED assemblies that were meant to go into the brake light socket
>recently, they were in a dollar-store type tool-store and they wanted a
>lot of money for the made-in-china things too. Probably won't ever see
>any made in the US, eh?
>
>The LED brakelights should be the berries, but I've seen two trucks in
>the past month that had some or all of the LEDs in the unit not working.
>Apparently they're not all that tough.
>
>John
Most of the LED failures of that type that I have seen were due to
poor solder joints (bad quality control). Fix the joint and the LED
lights right back up.
I just read an interesting article about the coming wave of LED
replacement lights (especially for cars) and how they were having
trouble with designing them for headlights because LED lights just
don't penetrate fog well, and because the lack of heat means
headlights would have to have defroster grids for winter ice and
defogging.
I suspect the HID lights will take over long before LED headlights do
but LED is still probably the wave of the future for almost everything
else in a car.
Drifter
"I've been here, I've been there..."
05-24-2005, 08:27 PM
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Re: LED arrays for turn signals, brake lights available yet?
On Fri, 20 May 2005 17:49:10 -0400, JohnM <eaotis@cbpu.com> wrote:
>Chuck Bremer wrote:
>> there are a handful of companies that make a replacement housing for the XJ
>> Cherokee into which you can insert the trucker-typle LED (or incandescent)
>> lamps. For example.: http://farmboydesigns.com/lights/index.htm
>>
>> I've also seen on TV some companies that make LED arrays that will fit
>> behind the OE lenses on classic cars/trucks.
>>
>
>I saw LED assemblies that were meant to go into the brake light socket
>recently, they were in a dollar-store type tool-store and they wanted a
>lot of money for the made-in-china things too. Probably won't ever see
>any made in the US, eh?
>
>The LED brakelights should be the berries, but I've seen two trucks in
>the past month that had some or all of the LEDs in the unit not working.
>Apparently they're not all that tough.
>
>John
Most of the LED failures of that type that I have seen were due to
poor solder joints (bad quality control). Fix the joint and the LED
lights right back up.
I just read an interesting article about the coming wave of LED
replacement lights (especially for cars) and how they were having
trouble with designing them for headlights because LED lights just
don't penetrate fog well, and because the lack of heat means
headlights would have to have defroster grids for winter ice and
defogging.
I suspect the HID lights will take over long before LED headlights do
but LED is still probably the wave of the future for almost everything
else in a car.
Drifter
"I've been here, I've been there..."
>Chuck Bremer wrote:
>> there are a handful of companies that make a replacement housing for the XJ
>> Cherokee into which you can insert the trucker-typle LED (or incandescent)
>> lamps. For example.: http://farmboydesigns.com/lights/index.htm
>>
>> I've also seen on TV some companies that make LED arrays that will fit
>> behind the OE lenses on classic cars/trucks.
>>
>
>I saw LED assemblies that were meant to go into the brake light socket
>recently, they were in a dollar-store type tool-store and they wanted a
>lot of money for the made-in-china things too. Probably won't ever see
>any made in the US, eh?
>
>The LED brakelights should be the berries, but I've seen two trucks in
>the past month that had some or all of the LEDs in the unit not working.
>Apparently they're not all that tough.
>
>John
Most of the LED failures of that type that I have seen were due to
poor solder joints (bad quality control). Fix the joint and the LED
lights right back up.
I just read an interesting article about the coming wave of LED
replacement lights (especially for cars) and how they were having
trouble with designing them for headlights because LED lights just
don't penetrate fog well, and because the lack of heat means
headlights would have to have defroster grids for winter ice and
defogging.
I suspect the HID lights will take over long before LED headlights do
but LED is still probably the wave of the future for almost everything
else in a car.
Drifter
"I've been here, I've been there..."
05-24-2005, 08:27 PM
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Re: LED arrays for turn signals, brake lights available yet?
On Fri, 20 May 2005 17:49:10 -0400, JohnM <eaotis@cbpu.com> wrote:
>Chuck Bremer wrote:
>> there are a handful of companies that make a replacement housing for the XJ
>> Cherokee into which you can insert the trucker-typle LED (or incandescent)
>> lamps. For example.: http://farmboydesigns.com/lights/index.htm
>>
>> I've also seen on TV some companies that make LED arrays that will fit
>> behind the OE lenses on classic cars/trucks.
>>
>
>I saw LED assemblies that were meant to go into the brake light socket
>recently, they were in a dollar-store type tool-store and they wanted a
>lot of money for the made-in-china things too. Probably won't ever see
>any made in the US, eh?
>
>The LED brakelights should be the berries, but I've seen two trucks in
>the past month that had some or all of the LEDs in the unit not working.
>Apparently they're not all that tough.
>
>John
Most of the LED failures of that type that I have seen were due to
poor solder joints (bad quality control). Fix the joint and the LED
lights right back up.
I just read an interesting article about the coming wave of LED
replacement lights (especially for cars) and how they were having
trouble with designing them for headlights because LED lights just
don't penetrate fog well, and because the lack of heat means
headlights would have to have defroster grids for winter ice and
defogging.
I suspect the HID lights will take over long before LED headlights do
but LED is still probably the wave of the future for almost everything
else in a car.
Drifter
"I've been here, I've been there..."
>Chuck Bremer wrote:
>> there are a handful of companies that make a replacement housing for the XJ
>> Cherokee into which you can insert the trucker-typle LED (or incandescent)
>> lamps. For example.: http://farmboydesigns.com/lights/index.htm
>>
>> I've also seen on TV some companies that make LED arrays that will fit
>> behind the OE lenses on classic cars/trucks.
>>
>
>I saw LED assemblies that were meant to go into the brake light socket
>recently, they were in a dollar-store type tool-store and they wanted a
>lot of money for the made-in-china things too. Probably won't ever see
>any made in the US, eh?
>
>The LED brakelights should be the berries, but I've seen two trucks in
>the past month that had some or all of the LEDs in the unit not working.
>Apparently they're not all that tough.
>
>John
Most of the LED failures of that type that I have seen were due to
poor solder joints (bad quality control). Fix the joint and the LED
lights right back up.
I just read an interesting article about the coming wave of LED
replacement lights (especially for cars) and how they were having
trouble with designing them for headlights because LED lights just
don't penetrate fog well, and because the lack of heat means
headlights would have to have defroster grids for winter ice and
defogging.
I suspect the HID lights will take over long before LED headlights do
but LED is still probably the wave of the future for almost everything
else in a car.
Drifter
"I've been here, I've been there..."
05-24-2005, 08:27 PM
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Re: LED arrays for turn signals, brake lights available yet?
On Fri, 20 May 2005 17:49:10 -0400, JohnM <eaotis@cbpu.com> wrote:
>Chuck Bremer wrote:
>> there are a handful of companies that make a replacement housing for the XJ
>> Cherokee into which you can insert the trucker-typle LED (or incandescent)
>> lamps. For example.: http://farmboydesigns.com/lights/index.htm
>>
>> I've also seen on TV some companies that make LED arrays that will fit
>> behind the OE lenses on classic cars/trucks.
>>
>
>I saw LED assemblies that were meant to go into the brake light socket
>recently, they were in a dollar-store type tool-store and they wanted a
>lot of money for the made-in-china things too. Probably won't ever see
>any made in the US, eh?
>
>The LED brakelights should be the berries, but I've seen two trucks in
>the past month that had some or all of the LEDs in the unit not working.
>Apparently they're not all that tough.
>
>John
Most of the LED failures of that type that I have seen were due to
poor solder joints (bad quality control). Fix the joint and the LED
lights right back up.
I just read an interesting article about the coming wave of LED
replacement lights (especially for cars) and how they were having
trouble with designing them for headlights because LED lights just
don't penetrate fog well, and because the lack of heat means
headlights would have to have defroster grids for winter ice and
defogging.
I suspect the HID lights will take over long before LED headlights do
but LED is still probably the wave of the future for almost everything
else in a car.
Drifter
"I've been here, I've been there..."
>Chuck Bremer wrote:
>> there are a handful of companies that make a replacement housing for the XJ
>> Cherokee into which you can insert the trucker-typle LED (or incandescent)
>> lamps. For example.: http://farmboydesigns.com/lights/index.htm
>>
>> I've also seen on TV some companies that make LED arrays that will fit
>> behind the OE lenses on classic cars/trucks.
>>
>
>I saw LED assemblies that were meant to go into the brake light socket
>recently, they were in a dollar-store type tool-store and they wanted a
>lot of money for the made-in-china things too. Probably won't ever see
>any made in the US, eh?
>
>The LED brakelights should be the berries, but I've seen two trucks in
>the past month that had some or all of the LEDs in the unit not working.
>Apparently they're not all that tough.
>
>John
Most of the LED failures of that type that I have seen were due to
poor solder joints (bad quality control). Fix the joint and the LED
lights right back up.
I just read an interesting article about the coming wave of LED
replacement lights (especially for cars) and how they were having
trouble with designing them for headlights because LED lights just
don't penetrate fog well, and because the lack of heat means
headlights would have to have defroster grids for winter ice and
defogging.
I suspect the HID lights will take over long before LED headlights do
but LED is still probably the wave of the future for almost everything
else in a car.
Drifter
"I've been here, I've been there..."
05-25-2005, 07:10 PM
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Re: LED arrays for turn signals, brake lights available yet?
Well, there are requirements to have them on any tower within 5miles of an
airport. So although this still isn't FAA property, there was still issue
up here in Canuckland
"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
news:FpPke.22729$wq.7828@fed1read06...
> I'd think the FAA would have objections to using non-FAA approved
> obstruction lights if they are a permanent part of the airport.
>
> Jerry
>
> Steve wrote:
>> are they DOT approved?
>> We have equipment at airfields and wanted to use them in our obstruction
>> lights...but they were worried that the brilliance wouldn't be the same!
>>
>>
>> "Doug" <pigdos@nospamcharter.net> wrote in message
>> news:MF5je.2186$bD5.1262@fe07.lga...
>>
>>>I've noticed truckers using these arrays, I've heard they last forever
>>>relative to conventional filament bulbs. Are they available for passenger
>>>cars/trucks yet? What about Cherokees?
>>>
>>>--
>>>Remove nospam to email
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> PP-ASEL N6TAY
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
airport. So although this still isn't FAA property, there was still issue
up here in Canuckland
"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
news:FpPke.22729$wq.7828@fed1read06...
> I'd think the FAA would have objections to using non-FAA approved
> obstruction lights if they are a permanent part of the airport.
>
> Jerry
>
> Steve wrote:
>> are they DOT approved?
>> We have equipment at airfields and wanted to use them in our obstruction
>> lights...but they were worried that the brilliance wouldn't be the same!
>>
>>
>> "Doug" <pigdos@nospamcharter.net> wrote in message
>> news:MF5je.2186$bD5.1262@fe07.lga...
>>
>>>I've noticed truckers using these arrays, I've heard they last forever
>>>relative to conventional filament bulbs. Are they available for passenger
>>>cars/trucks yet? What about Cherokees?
>>>
>>>--
>>>Remove nospam to email
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> PP-ASEL N6TAY
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
05-25-2005, 07:10 PM
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Re: LED arrays for turn signals, brake lights available yet?
Well, there are requirements to have them on any tower within 5miles of an
airport. So although this still isn't FAA property, there was still issue
up here in Canuckland
"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
news:FpPke.22729$wq.7828@fed1read06...
> I'd think the FAA would have objections to using non-FAA approved
> obstruction lights if they are a permanent part of the airport.
>
> Jerry
>
> Steve wrote:
>> are they DOT approved?
>> We have equipment at airfields and wanted to use them in our obstruction
>> lights...but they were worried that the brilliance wouldn't be the same!
>>
>>
>> "Doug" <pigdos@nospamcharter.net> wrote in message
>> news:MF5je.2186$bD5.1262@fe07.lga...
>>
>>>I've noticed truckers using these arrays, I've heard they last forever
>>>relative to conventional filament bulbs. Are they available for passenger
>>>cars/trucks yet? What about Cherokees?
>>>
>>>--
>>>Remove nospam to email
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> PP-ASEL N6TAY
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
airport. So although this still isn't FAA property, there was still issue
up here in Canuckland
"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
news:FpPke.22729$wq.7828@fed1read06...
> I'd think the FAA would have objections to using non-FAA approved
> obstruction lights if they are a permanent part of the airport.
>
> Jerry
>
> Steve wrote:
>> are they DOT approved?
>> We have equipment at airfields and wanted to use them in our obstruction
>> lights...but they were worried that the brilliance wouldn't be the same!
>>
>>
>> "Doug" <pigdos@nospamcharter.net> wrote in message
>> news:MF5je.2186$bD5.1262@fe07.lga...
>>
>>>I've noticed truckers using these arrays, I've heard they last forever
>>>relative to conventional filament bulbs. Are they available for passenger
>>>cars/trucks yet? What about Cherokees?
>>>
>>>--
>>>Remove nospam to email
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> PP-ASEL N6TAY
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
05-25-2005, 07:10 PM
#28
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Re: LED arrays for turn signals, brake lights available yet?
Well, there are requirements to have them on any tower within 5miles of an
airport. So although this still isn't FAA property, there was still issue
up here in Canuckland
"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
news:FpPke.22729$wq.7828@fed1read06...
> I'd think the FAA would have objections to using non-FAA approved
> obstruction lights if they are a permanent part of the airport.
>
> Jerry
>
> Steve wrote:
>> are they DOT approved?
>> We have equipment at airfields and wanted to use them in our obstruction
>> lights...but they were worried that the brilliance wouldn't be the same!
>>
>>
>> "Doug" <pigdos@nospamcharter.net> wrote in message
>> news:MF5je.2186$bD5.1262@fe07.lga...
>>
>>>I've noticed truckers using these arrays, I've heard they last forever
>>>relative to conventional filament bulbs. Are they available for passenger
>>>cars/trucks yet? What about Cherokees?
>>>
>>>--
>>>Remove nospam to email
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> PP-ASEL N6TAY
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
airport. So although this still isn't FAA property, there was still issue
up here in Canuckland
"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
news:FpPke.22729$wq.7828@fed1read06...
> I'd think the FAA would have objections to using non-FAA approved
> obstruction lights if they are a permanent part of the airport.
>
> Jerry
>
> Steve wrote:
>> are they DOT approved?
>> We have equipment at airfields and wanted to use them in our obstruction
>> lights...but they were worried that the brilliance wouldn't be the same!
>>
>>
>> "Doug" <pigdos@nospamcharter.net> wrote in message
>> news:MF5je.2186$bD5.1262@fe07.lga...
>>
>>>I've noticed truckers using these arrays, I've heard they last forever
>>>relative to conventional filament bulbs. Are they available for passenger
>>>cars/trucks yet? What about Cherokees?
>>>
>>>--
>>>Remove nospam to email
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> PP-ASEL N6TAY
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
05-25-2005, 07:10 PM
#29
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Re: LED arrays for turn signals, brake lights available yet?
Well, there are requirements to have them on any tower within 5miles of an
airport. So although this still isn't FAA property, there was still issue
up here in Canuckland
"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
news:FpPke.22729$wq.7828@fed1read06...
> I'd think the FAA would have objections to using non-FAA approved
> obstruction lights if they are a permanent part of the airport.
>
> Jerry
>
> Steve wrote:
>> are they DOT approved?
>> We have equipment at airfields and wanted to use them in our obstruction
>> lights...but they were worried that the brilliance wouldn't be the same!
>>
>>
>> "Doug" <pigdos@nospamcharter.net> wrote in message
>> news:MF5je.2186$bD5.1262@fe07.lga...
>>
>>>I've noticed truckers using these arrays, I've heard they last forever
>>>relative to conventional filament bulbs. Are they available for passenger
>>>cars/trucks yet? What about Cherokees?
>>>
>>>--
>>>Remove nospam to email
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> PP-ASEL N6TAY
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
airport. So although this still isn't FAA property, there was still issue
up here in Canuckland
"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
news:FpPke.22729$wq.7828@fed1read06...
> I'd think the FAA would have objections to using non-FAA approved
> obstruction lights if they are a permanent part of the airport.
>
> Jerry
>
> Steve wrote:
>> are they DOT approved?
>> We have equipment at airfields and wanted to use them in our obstruction
>> lights...but they were worried that the brilliance wouldn't be the same!
>>
>>
>> "Doug" <pigdos@nospamcharter.net> wrote in message
>> news:MF5je.2186$bD5.1262@fe07.lga...
>>
>>>I've noticed truckers using these arrays, I've heard they last forever
>>>relative to conventional filament bulbs. Are they available for passenger
>>>cars/trucks yet? What about Cherokees?
>>>
>>>--
>>>Remove nospam to email
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> PP-ASEL N6TAY
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
05-29-2005, 11:16 AM
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Re: LED arrays for turn signals, brake lights available yet?
Think you'll find DOT will have objections to them, also 90% of our reg's
come from the FAA handbook. Your local international airport Gestapo should
be able to answer any questions you have,.(assuming you work at a smaller,
not major airport)
Snow...
"Steve" <steve.brady(woo hoo)@rogers.com> wrote in message
news:3pidneJPqY3_mgjfRVn-tw@rogers.com...
> Well, there are requirements to have them on any tower within 5miles of an
> airport. So although this still isn't FAA property, there was still issue
> up here in Canuckland
>
>
> "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
> news:FpPke.22729$wq.7828@fed1read06...
>> I'd think the FAA would have objections to using non-FAA approved
>> obstruction lights if they are a permanent part of the airport.
>>
>> Jerry
>>
>> Steve wrote:
>>> are they DOT approved?
>>> We have equipment at airfields and wanted to use them in our obstruction
>>> lights...but they were worried that the brilliance wouldn't be the same!
>>>
>>>
>>> "Doug" <pigdos@nospamcharter.net> wrote in message
>>> news:MF5je.2186$bD5.1262@fe07.lga...
>>>
>>>>I've noticed truckers using these arrays, I've heard they last forever
>>>>relative to conventional filament bulbs. Are they available for
>>>>passenger cars/trucks yet? What about Cherokees?
>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>Remove nospam to email
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> Jerry Bransford
>> PP-ASEL N6TAY
>> See the Geezer Jeep at
>> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
>
>
come from the FAA handbook. Your local international airport Gestapo should
be able to answer any questions you have,.(assuming you work at a smaller,
not major airport)
Snow...
"Steve" <steve.brady(woo hoo)@rogers.com> wrote in message
news:3pidneJPqY3_mgjfRVn-tw@rogers.com...
> Well, there are requirements to have them on any tower within 5miles of an
> airport. So although this still isn't FAA property, there was still issue
> up here in Canuckland
>
>
> "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
> news:FpPke.22729$wq.7828@fed1read06...
>> I'd think the FAA would have objections to using non-FAA approved
>> obstruction lights if they are a permanent part of the airport.
>>
>> Jerry
>>
>> Steve wrote:
>>> are they DOT approved?
>>> We have equipment at airfields and wanted to use them in our obstruction
>>> lights...but they were worried that the brilliance wouldn't be the same!
>>>
>>>
>>> "Doug" <pigdos@nospamcharter.net> wrote in message
>>> news:MF5je.2186$bD5.1262@fe07.lga...
>>>
>>>>I've noticed truckers using these arrays, I've heard they last forever
>>>>relative to conventional filament bulbs. Are they available for
>>>>passenger cars/trucks yet? What about Cherokees?
>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>Remove nospam to email
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>> --
>> Jerry Bransford
>> PP-ASEL N6TAY
>> See the Geezer Jeep at
>> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
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