twaldron

I love self-healing vehicles!

Dave Milne wrote:

> Mine leaked - convinced it was simply the door seal, but before I got a
> chance to replace it, it stopped leaking, and has been dry for over a year
> now, even in monumental thunderstorms. Like yours, it lives outside. We get
> about 32" per year, although we have had it rain 9.5" in a single day :-)
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland.

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tw
03 TJ Rubicon
01 XJ Sport

There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry

Pronunciation: 'jEp
Function: noun
Date: 1940

Etymology: probably from g. p. (abbreviation of general purpose)
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
World War II.

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twaldron

I love self-healing vehicles!

Dave Milne wrote:

> Mine leaked - convinced it was simply the door seal, but before I got a
> chance to replace it, it stopped leaking, and has been dry for over a year
> now, even in monumental thunderstorms. Like yours, it lives outside. We get
> about 32" per year, although we have had it rain 9.5" in a single day :-)
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland.

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tw
03 TJ Rubicon
01 XJ Sport

There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry

Pronunciation: 'jEp
Function: noun
Date: 1940

Etymology: probably from g. p. (abbreviation of general purpose)
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
World War II.

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twaldron

I love self-healing vehicles!

Dave Milne wrote:

> Mine leaked - convinced it was simply the door seal, but before I got a
> chance to replace it, it stopped leaking, and has been dry for over a year
> now, even in monumental thunderstorms. Like yours, it lives outside. We get
> about 32" per year, although we have had it rain 9.5" in a single day :-)
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland.

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tw
03 TJ Rubicon
01 XJ Sport

There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry

Pronunciation: 'jEp
Function: noun
Date: 1940

Etymology: probably from g. p. (abbreviation of general purpose)
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
World War II.

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Dave Milne

So do I if ... if they stay healed :-)

Dave Milne, Scotland

"twaldron" <thomas@OBVIOUSrubicons.com> wrote in message
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> I love self-healing vehicles!
>
> Dave Milne wrote:
>
> > Mine leaked - convinced it was simply the door seal, but before I got a
> > chance to replace it, it stopped leaking, and has been dry for over a
year
> > now, even in monumental thunderstorms. Like yours, it lives outside. We
get
> > about 32" per year, although we have had it rain 9.5" in a single day
:-)
> >
> > Dave Milne, Scotland.
>
> --
> __________________________________________________ _________
> tw
> 03 TJ Rubicon
> 01 XJ Sport
>
> There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
> -- Dave Barry
>
> Pronunciation: 'jEp
> Function: noun
> Date: 1940
>
> Etymology: probably from g. p. (abbreviation of general purpose)
> A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
> 1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
> World War II.
>
> http://www.7slotgrille.com/jeepers/t...ron/index.html
> (Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
> __________________________________________________ _________
>

Dave Milne

So do I if ... if they stay healed :-)

Dave Milne, Scotland

"twaldron" <thomas@OBVIOUSrubicons.com> wrote in message
news:PFWPb.10474$sT7.9296@newssvr23.news.prodigy.c om...
> I love self-healing vehicles!
>
> Dave Milne wrote:
>
> > Mine leaked - convinced it was simply the door seal, but before I got a
> > chance to replace it, it stopped leaking, and has been dry for over a
year
> > now, even in monumental thunderstorms. Like yours, it lives outside. We
get
> > about 32" per year, although we have had it rain 9.5" in a single day
:-)
> >
> > Dave Milne, Scotland.
>
> --
> __________________________________________________ _________
> tw
> 03 TJ Rubicon
> 01 XJ Sport
>
> There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
> -- Dave Barry
>
> Pronunciation: 'jEp
> Function: noun
> Date: 1940
>
> Etymology: probably from g. p. (abbreviation of general purpose)
> A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
> 1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
> World War II.
>
> http://www.7slotgrille.com/jeepers/t...ron/index.html
> (Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
> __________________________________________________ _________
>

Dave Milne

So do I if ... if they stay healed :-)

Dave Milne, Scotland

"twaldron" <thomas@OBVIOUSrubicons.com> wrote in message
news:PFWPb.10474$sT7.9296@newssvr23.news.prodigy.c om...
> I love self-healing vehicles!
>
> Dave Milne wrote:
>
> > Mine leaked - convinced it was simply the door seal, but before I got a
> > chance to replace it, it stopped leaking, and has been dry for over a
year
> > now, even in monumental thunderstorms. Like yours, it lives outside. We
get
> > about 32" per year, although we have had it rain 9.5" in a single day
:-)
> >
> > Dave Milne, Scotland.
>
> --
> __________________________________________________ _________
> tw
> 03 TJ Rubicon
> 01 XJ Sport
>
> There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
> -- Dave Barry
>
> Pronunciation: 'jEp
> Function: noun
> Date: 1940
>
> Etymology: probably from g. p. (abbreviation of general purpose)
> A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
> 1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
> World War II.
>
> http://www.7slotgrille.com/jeepers/t...ron/index.html
> (Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
> __________________________________________________ _________
>

Russ B

David,
Could be a dark cloud, but it only seem to follow me with TJ's. My CJ never
leaked a drop until it was about 20 years old! It alos got better gas
mileage with 130,000 miles and a V8/auto than my TJ has ever gotten. I had a
GMC 1/2 ton pickup that I drove for a quarter of a million miles that never
needed a major repair and never leaked a drop of oil in the driveway, so the
"dark cloud" sure wouldn't apply to either of those.

So far, My 2002 lemon law replacement TJ with 30,000 miles has been in the
shop 7 separate times just for OIL leaks...never mind the 6 or 7 times for
the leaky windshield and leaking body seam in the tub, the
intermittent/dead gas guage, the bad cam sensor, and the check engine light
that comes on about every 2 months. There are a bunch of others as
well...those are the ones I can remember off the top of my head. Seriously,
Some day I will sit down for several hours and type up a list of repairs (I
have dozens of work orders) for the two TJ Turd Jeeps I've owned. Anyone
considering buying a Wrangler ought to know how truly BAD the quality of the
TJ is.
RB
"David C. Moller" <dmoller@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:r0ru00t8gqphfgtdv0a4q1u2ut4chgkjo2@4ax.com...
> Methinks you maybe just travel under a dark cloud or something (like
> that Bad Luck Schleprock character on the Flinstones hehehehe). Or
> maybe I'm just the lucky one? I have a '99 TJ, have no garage (park on
> the street), and live in the Seattle area (rain capitol of the US?).
> Never leaked once in the 5 years I've had it.
>
> On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 18:03:46 -0600, "Russ B"
> <gofast@REMOVE_THIStexoma.net> wrote:
>
> >I've had two TJ's....both leak water. Seems like most of the TJ's that
are
> >outside in a heavy rain end up leaking through the A/C when the drain
either
> >gets plugged or just can't keep up with the rainfall. If you're thinking
> >about getting a TJ, save your money and spend it on the CJ's. I have a
1980
> >CJ, and wish I had NEVER bought a TJ. The first one I had was replaced
when
> >I filed suit under my state's lemon law. The replacement is a piece of
junk
> >too. In the 2 years I've had it it's had numerous major problems
including
> >leaks at the body seams and windshield seal, and is almost out of
warranty.
> >As soon as the factory warranty is up that POS is gone and the old CJ is
> >getting rebuilt. My humble opinion: TJ=Turd Jeep.
> >
> >"Arvin" <arvin"no-spam"@mo-net.com> wrote in message
> >news:100t1bhjlbpq5ae@corp.supernews.com...
> >> My CJ leaks watter behind the dash and windshield. Is that just a Jeep
> >> thing or have they figured that out yet?
> >> --
> >> 2CJs '82 258 CJ-7 O|||||||O
> >> http://arvin.homestead.com/files/websignature.jpg
> >> http://users.mo-net.com/arvin
> >>
> >>
> >
>

Russ B

David,
Could be a dark cloud, but it only seem to follow me with TJ's. My CJ never
leaked a drop until it was about 20 years old! It alos got better gas
mileage with 130,000 miles and a V8/auto than my TJ has ever gotten. I had a
GMC 1/2 ton pickup that I drove for a quarter of a million miles that never
needed a major repair and never leaked a drop of oil in the driveway, so the
"dark cloud" sure wouldn't apply to either of those.

So far, My 2002 lemon law replacement TJ with 30,000 miles has been in the
shop 7 separate times just for OIL leaks...never mind the 6 or 7 times for
the leaky windshield and leaking body seam in the tub, the
intermittent/dead gas guage, the bad cam sensor, and the check engine light
that comes on about every 2 months. There are a bunch of others as
well...those are the ones I can remember off the top of my head. Seriously,
Some day I will sit down for several hours and type up a list of repairs (I
have dozens of work orders) for the two TJ Turd Jeeps I've owned. Anyone
considering buying a Wrangler ought to know how truly BAD the quality of the
TJ is.
RB
"David C. Moller" <dmoller@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:r0ru00t8gqphfgtdv0a4q1u2ut4chgkjo2@4ax.com...
> Methinks you maybe just travel under a dark cloud or something (like
> that Bad Luck Schleprock character on the Flinstones hehehehe). Or
> maybe I'm just the lucky one? I have a '99 TJ, have no garage (park on
> the street), and live in the Seattle area (rain capitol of the US?).
> Never leaked once in the 5 years I've had it.
>
> On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 18:03:46 -0600, "Russ B"
> <gofast@REMOVE_THIStexoma.net> wrote:
>
> >I've had two TJ's....both leak water. Seems like most of the TJ's that
are
> >outside in a heavy rain end up leaking through the A/C when the drain
either
> >gets plugged or just can't keep up with the rainfall. If you're thinking
> >about getting a TJ, save your money and spend it on the CJ's. I have a
1980
> >CJ, and wish I had NEVER bought a TJ. The first one I had was replaced
when
> >I filed suit under my state's lemon law. The replacement is a piece of
junk
> >too. In the 2 years I've had it it's had numerous major problems
including
> >leaks at the body seams and windshield seal, and is almost out of
warranty.
> >As soon as the factory warranty is up that POS is gone and the old CJ is
> >getting rebuilt. My humble opinion: TJ=Turd Jeep.
> >
> >"Arvin" <arvin"no-spam"@mo-net.com> wrote in message
> >news:100t1bhjlbpq5ae@corp.supernews.com...
> >> My CJ leaks watter behind the dash and windshield. Is that just a Jeep
> >> thing or have they figured that out yet?
> >> --
> >> 2CJs '82 258 CJ-7 O|||||||O
> >> http://arvin.homestead.com/files/websignature.jpg
> >> http://users.mo-net.com/arvin
> >>
> >>
> >
>

Russ B

David,
Could be a dark cloud, but it only seem to follow me with TJ's. My CJ never
leaked a drop until it was about 20 years old! It alos got better gas
mileage with 130,000 miles and a V8/auto than my TJ has ever gotten. I had a
GMC 1/2 ton pickup that I drove for a quarter of a million miles that never
needed a major repair and never leaked a drop of oil in the driveway, so the
"dark cloud" sure wouldn't apply to either of those.

So far, My 2002 lemon law replacement TJ with 30,000 miles has been in the
shop 7 separate times just for OIL leaks...never mind the 6 or 7 times for
the leaky windshield and leaking body seam in the tub, the
intermittent/dead gas guage, the bad cam sensor, and the check engine light
that comes on about every 2 months. There are a bunch of others as
well...those are the ones I can remember off the top of my head. Seriously,
Some day I will sit down for several hours and type up a list of repairs (I
have dozens of work orders) for the two TJ Turd Jeeps I've owned. Anyone
considering buying a Wrangler ought to know how truly BAD the quality of the
TJ is.
RB
"David C. Moller" <dmoller@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:r0ru00t8gqphfgtdv0a4q1u2ut4chgkjo2@4ax.com...
> Methinks you maybe just travel under a dark cloud or something (like
> that Bad Luck Schleprock character on the Flinstones hehehehe). Or
> maybe I'm just the lucky one? I have a '99 TJ, have no garage (park on
> the street), and live in the Seattle area (rain capitol of the US?).
> Never leaked once in the 5 years I've had it.
>
> On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 18:03:46 -0600, "Russ B"
> <gofast@REMOVE_THIStexoma.net> wrote:
>
> >I've had two TJ's....both leak water. Seems like most of the TJ's that
are
> >outside in a heavy rain end up leaking through the A/C when the drain
either
> >gets plugged or just can't keep up with the rainfall. If you're thinking
> >about getting a TJ, save your money and spend it on the CJ's. I have a
1980
> >CJ, and wish I had NEVER bought a TJ. The first one I had was replaced
when
> >I filed suit under my state's lemon law. The replacement is a piece of
junk
> >too. In the 2 years I've had it it's had numerous major problems
including
> >leaks at the body seams and windshield seal, and is almost out of
warranty.
> >As soon as the factory warranty is up that POS is gone and the old CJ is
> >getting rebuilt. My humble opinion: TJ=Turd Jeep.
> >
> >"Arvin" <arvin"no-spam"@mo-net.com> wrote in message
> >news:100t1bhjlbpq5ae@corp.supernews.com...
> >> My CJ leaks watter behind the dash and windshield. Is that just a Jeep
> >> thing or have they figured that out yet?
> >> --
> >> 2CJs '82 258 CJ-7 O|||||||O
> >> http://arvin.homestead.com/files/websignature.jpg
> >> http://users.mo-net.com/arvin
> >>
> >>
> >
>

Dave Milne

Obviously can't deny how bad yours is, or how bad Nathan's paint was, but I
have to say that the quality on my 99 TJ is really excellent. I've had a
leaking axle seal and a leak on the door seal (which fixed itself !!?!!),
and a bit of spray painting on the drivers mirror, and that is absolutely
it. No breakdowns and no failures to start. The paint quality is great
(black clearcoat), the engine is great etc.

Dave Milne, Scotland

"Russ B" <gofast@REMOVE_THIStexoma.net> wrote in message
news:bupr7001ofl@enews4.newsguy.com...
> David,
Anyone
> considering buying a Wrangler ought to know how truly BAD the quality of
the
> TJ is.
> RB