Larger Tires on JK
11-09-2007, 10:13 AM
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Re: Re: Re: Larger Tires on JK
On Thu, 8 Nov 2007 12:37:39 -0600, "Fred Garvin" <Fgarin@mail.com>
wrote:
>Hmmm. So I have a couple of large jet skiies that I pull. Could be a
>noticable issue?
It could very well be. If it has limited resever power for you towing
needs now, it will get worse and as I said braking will be reduced a
bit too. The only way you can honestly maintian same pulling power
with bigger tires is a axle ratio change which can be expensive but it
does restore your overall effective drive ratio when using bigger
tires. Some think they can tune this out with a exhaust of air filter
but you cannot as it deals with simple physics and mechanical advange
over the load and more engine torque is require for same ground
tractive effort. ALso remember that this "power loss" will be felt in
all gears including starting a load out on boat ramp so you know where
you are now performance wise and simply understand the towing
performance will degrade with bigger tires. How much of a issue this
is for you again depends on "where" you are at now in the towing
performance curve with your load. Another way to look at this, if you
install bigger tires with stock axle gears, it has the same net effect
as taller axle gears with stock tires or a net loss of effective
pulling power in every gear due to a taller overall effective final
drive ratio.
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TheSnoMan.com
wrote:
>Hmmm. So I have a couple of large jet skiies that I pull. Could be a
>noticable issue?
It could very well be. If it has limited resever power for you towing
needs now, it will get worse and as I said braking will be reduced a
bit too. The only way you can honestly maintian same pulling power
with bigger tires is a axle ratio change which can be expensive but it
does restore your overall effective drive ratio when using bigger
tires. Some think they can tune this out with a exhaust of air filter
but you cannot as it deals with simple physics and mechanical advange
over the load and more engine torque is require for same ground
tractive effort. ALso remember that this "power loss" will be felt in
all gears including starting a load out on boat ramp so you know where
you are now performance wise and simply understand the towing
performance will degrade with bigger tires. How much of a issue this
is for you again depends on "where" you are at now in the towing
performance curve with your load. Another way to look at this, if you
install bigger tires with stock axle gears, it has the same net effect
as taller axle gears with stock tires or a net loss of effective
pulling power in every gear due to a taller overall effective final
drive ratio.
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TheSnoMan.com
11-09-2007, 10:13 AM
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Re: Re: Re: Larger Tires on JK
On Thu, 8 Nov 2007 12:37:39 -0600, "Fred Garvin" <Fgarin@mail.com>
wrote:
>Hmmm. So I have a couple of large jet skiies that I pull. Could be a
>noticable issue?
It could very well be. If it has limited resever power for you towing
needs now, it will get worse and as I said braking will be reduced a
bit too. The only way you can honestly maintian same pulling power
with bigger tires is a axle ratio change which can be expensive but it
does restore your overall effective drive ratio when using bigger
tires. Some think they can tune this out with a exhaust of air filter
but you cannot as it deals with simple physics and mechanical advange
over the load and more engine torque is require for same ground
tractive effort. ALso remember that this "power loss" will be felt in
all gears including starting a load out on boat ramp so you know where
you are now performance wise and simply understand the towing
performance will degrade with bigger tires. How much of a issue this
is for you again depends on "where" you are at now in the towing
performance curve with your load. Another way to look at this, if you
install bigger tires with stock axle gears, it has the same net effect
as taller axle gears with stock tires or a net loss of effective
pulling power in every gear due to a taller overall effective final
drive ratio.
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TheSnoMan.com
wrote:
>Hmmm. So I have a couple of large jet skiies that I pull. Could be a
>noticable issue?
It could very well be. If it has limited resever power for you towing
needs now, it will get worse and as I said braking will be reduced a
bit too. The only way you can honestly maintian same pulling power
with bigger tires is a axle ratio change which can be expensive but it
does restore your overall effective drive ratio when using bigger
tires. Some think they can tune this out with a exhaust of air filter
but you cannot as it deals with simple physics and mechanical advange
over the load and more engine torque is require for same ground
tractive effort. ALso remember that this "power loss" will be felt in
all gears including starting a load out on boat ramp so you know where
you are now performance wise and simply understand the towing
performance will degrade with bigger tires. How much of a issue this
is for you again depends on "where" you are at now in the towing
performance curve with your load. Another way to look at this, if you
install bigger tires with stock axle gears, it has the same net effect
as taller axle gears with stock tires or a net loss of effective
pulling power in every gear due to a taller overall effective final
drive ratio.
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TheSnoMan.com
11-09-2007, 10:15 AM
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Re: Re: Larger Tires on JK
On Thu, 08 Nov 2007 12:18:23 -0800, ULB
<ultralightbackpacker@yahoo.com> wrote:
>I have a much harder time stopping.
>It certainly doesn't brake like it did with 31's. But it is liveable,
>just allow ample stopping room.
The problem is when you do not have a lot of room due to something
unexpected happens at the wrong time (like they usually do) and you
need to stop. Something to think about anyway.
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TheSnoMan.com
<ultralightbackpacker@yahoo.com> wrote:
>I have a much harder time stopping.
>It certainly doesn't brake like it did with 31's. But it is liveable,
>just allow ample stopping room.
The problem is when you do not have a lot of room due to something
unexpected happens at the wrong time (like they usually do) and you
need to stop. Something to think about anyway.
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TheSnoMan.com
11-09-2007, 10:15 AM
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Re: Re: Larger Tires on JK
On Thu, 08 Nov 2007 12:18:23 -0800, ULB
<ultralightbackpacker@yahoo.com> wrote:
>I have a much harder time stopping.
>It certainly doesn't brake like it did with 31's. But it is liveable,
>just allow ample stopping room.
The problem is when you do not have a lot of room due to something
unexpected happens at the wrong time (like they usually do) and you
need to stop. Something to think about anyway.
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TheSnoMan.com
<ultralightbackpacker@yahoo.com> wrote:
>I have a much harder time stopping.
>It certainly doesn't brake like it did with 31's. But it is liveable,
>just allow ample stopping room.
The problem is when you do not have a lot of room due to something
unexpected happens at the wrong time (like they usually do) and you
need to stop. Something to think about anyway.
-----------------
TheSnoMan.com
11-09-2007, 10:15 AM
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Re: Re: Larger Tires on JK
On Thu, 08 Nov 2007 12:18:23 -0800, ULB
<ultralightbackpacker@yahoo.com> wrote:
>I have a much harder time stopping.
>It certainly doesn't brake like it did with 31's. But it is liveable,
>just allow ample stopping room.
The problem is when you do not have a lot of room due to something
unexpected happens at the wrong time (like they usually do) and you
need to stop. Something to think about anyway.
-----------------
TheSnoMan.com
<ultralightbackpacker@yahoo.com> wrote:
>I have a much harder time stopping.
>It certainly doesn't brake like it did with 31's. But it is liveable,
>just allow ample stopping room.
The problem is when you do not have a lot of room due to something
unexpected happens at the wrong time (like they usually do) and you
need to stop. Something to think about anyway.
-----------------
TheSnoMan.com
11-09-2007, 10:18 AM
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Re: Re: Larger Tires on JK
On Thu, 8 Nov 2007 14:52:14 -0500, Heatwave <m3lt1ng5n0wmen@wah00.com>
wrote:
>***Important information reguarding Heatwave***
This guy is just a insecure Troll so take with a grain of aslt what he
says and get a few laugh (as I do) out of his childish inmature
actions. Some come to News Groups to try to help while other like
Heatware and a few other here are only here to cause trouble and feed
try to satisfy some insecurtiy issues they have.
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TheSnoMan.com
wrote:
>***Important information reguarding Heatwave***
This guy is just a insecure Troll so take with a grain of aslt what he
says and get a few laugh (as I do) out of his childish inmature
actions. Some come to News Groups to try to help while other like
Heatware and a few other here are only here to cause trouble and feed
try to satisfy some insecurtiy issues they have.
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11-09-2007, 10:18 AM
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Re: Re: Larger Tires on JK
On Thu, 8 Nov 2007 14:52:14 -0500, Heatwave <m3lt1ng5n0wmen@wah00.com>
wrote:
>***Important information reguarding Heatwave***
This guy is just a insecure Troll so take with a grain of aslt what he
says and get a few laugh (as I do) out of his childish inmature
actions. Some come to News Groups to try to help while other like
Heatware and a few other here are only here to cause trouble and feed
try to satisfy some insecurtiy issues they have.
-----------------
TheSnoMan.com
wrote:
>***Important information reguarding Heatwave***
This guy is just a insecure Troll so take with a grain of aslt what he
says and get a few laugh (as I do) out of his childish inmature
actions. Some come to News Groups to try to help while other like
Heatware and a few other here are only here to cause trouble and feed
try to satisfy some insecurtiy issues they have.
-----------------
TheSnoMan.com
11-09-2007, 10:18 AM
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Re: Re: Larger Tires on JK
On Thu, 8 Nov 2007 14:52:14 -0500, Heatwave <m3lt1ng5n0wmen@wah00.com>
wrote:
>***Important information reguarding Heatwave***
This guy is just a insecure Troll so take with a grain of aslt what he
says and get a few laugh (as I do) out of his childish inmature
actions. Some come to News Groups to try to help while other like
Heatware and a few other here are only here to cause trouble and feed
try to satisfy some insecurtiy issues they have.
-----------------
TheSnoMan.com
wrote:
>***Important information reguarding Heatwave***
This guy is just a insecure Troll so take with a grain of aslt what he
says and get a few laugh (as I do) out of his childish inmature
actions. Some come to News Groups to try to help while other like
Heatware and a few other here are only here to cause trouble and feed
try to satisfy some insecurtiy issues they have.
-----------------
TheSnoMan.com
11-09-2007, 10:24 AM
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Re: Re: Re: Larger Tires on JK
Great points. Many thanks! -Fred
"SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
news:0jt8j392f72ld798mb0vg1k9k5asja7hjo@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 8 Nov 2007 12:37:39 -0600, "Fred Garvin" <Fgarin@mail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>Hmmm. So I have a couple of large jet skiies that I pull. Could be a
>>noticable issue?
>
>
> It could very well be. If it has limited resever power for you towing
> needs now, it will get worse and as I said braking will be reduced a
> bit too. The only way you can honestly maintian same pulling power
> with bigger tires is a axle ratio change which can be expensive but it
> does restore your overall effective drive ratio when using bigger
> tires. Some think they can tune this out with a exhaust of air filter
> but you cannot as it deals with simple physics and mechanical advange
> over the load and more engine torque is require for same ground
> tractive effort. ALso remember that this "power loss" will be felt in
> all gears including starting a load out on boat ramp so you know where
> you are now performance wise and simply understand the towing
> performance will degrade with bigger tires. How much of a issue this
> is for you again depends on "where" you are at now in the towing
> performance curve with your load. Another way to look at this, if you
> install bigger tires with stock axle gears, it has the same net effect
> as taller axle gears with stock tires or a net loss of effective
> pulling power in every gear due to a taller overall effective final
> drive ratio.
> -----------------
> TheSnoMan.com
"SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
news:0jt8j392f72ld798mb0vg1k9k5asja7hjo@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 8 Nov 2007 12:37:39 -0600, "Fred Garvin" <Fgarin@mail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>Hmmm. So I have a couple of large jet skiies that I pull. Could be a
>>noticable issue?
>
>
> It could very well be. If it has limited resever power for you towing
> needs now, it will get worse and as I said braking will be reduced a
> bit too. The only way you can honestly maintian same pulling power
> with bigger tires is a axle ratio change which can be expensive but it
> does restore your overall effective drive ratio when using bigger
> tires. Some think they can tune this out with a exhaust of air filter
> but you cannot as it deals with simple physics and mechanical advange
> over the load and more engine torque is require for same ground
> tractive effort. ALso remember that this "power loss" will be felt in
> all gears including starting a load out on boat ramp so you know where
> you are now performance wise and simply understand the towing
> performance will degrade with bigger tires. How much of a issue this
> is for you again depends on "where" you are at now in the towing
> performance curve with your load. Another way to look at this, if you
> install bigger tires with stock axle gears, it has the same net effect
> as taller axle gears with stock tires or a net loss of effective
> pulling power in every gear due to a taller overall effective final
> drive ratio.
> -----------------
> TheSnoMan.com
11-09-2007, 10:24 AM
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Re: Re: Re: Larger Tires on JK
Great points. Many thanks! -Fred
"SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
news:0jt8j392f72ld798mb0vg1k9k5asja7hjo@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 8 Nov 2007 12:37:39 -0600, "Fred Garvin" <Fgarin@mail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>Hmmm. So I have a couple of large jet skiies that I pull. Could be a
>>noticable issue?
>
>
> It could very well be. If it has limited resever power for you towing
> needs now, it will get worse and as I said braking will be reduced a
> bit too. The only way you can honestly maintian same pulling power
> with bigger tires is a axle ratio change which can be expensive but it
> does restore your overall effective drive ratio when using bigger
> tires. Some think they can tune this out with a exhaust of air filter
> but you cannot as it deals with simple physics and mechanical advange
> over the load and more engine torque is require for same ground
> tractive effort. ALso remember that this "power loss" will be felt in
> all gears including starting a load out on boat ramp so you know where
> you are now performance wise and simply understand the towing
> performance will degrade with bigger tires. How much of a issue this
> is for you again depends on "where" you are at now in the towing
> performance curve with your load. Another way to look at this, if you
> install bigger tires with stock axle gears, it has the same net effect
> as taller axle gears with stock tires or a net loss of effective
> pulling power in every gear due to a taller overall effective final
> drive ratio.
> -----------------
> TheSnoMan.com
"SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
news:0jt8j392f72ld798mb0vg1k9k5asja7hjo@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 8 Nov 2007 12:37:39 -0600, "Fred Garvin" <Fgarin@mail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>Hmmm. So I have a couple of large jet skiies that I pull. Could be a
>>noticable issue?
>
>
> It could very well be. If it has limited resever power for you towing
> needs now, it will get worse and as I said braking will be reduced a
> bit too. The only way you can honestly maintian same pulling power
> with bigger tires is a axle ratio change which can be expensive but it
> does restore your overall effective drive ratio when using bigger
> tires. Some think they can tune this out with a exhaust of air filter
> but you cannot as it deals with simple physics and mechanical advange
> over the load and more engine torque is require for same ground
> tractive effort. ALso remember that this "power loss" will be felt in
> all gears including starting a load out on boat ramp so you know where
> you are now performance wise and simply understand the towing
> performance will degrade with bigger tires. How much of a issue this
> is for you again depends on "where" you are at now in the towing
> performance curve with your load. Another way to look at this, if you
> install bigger tires with stock axle gears, it has the same net effect
> as taller axle gears with stock tires or a net loss of effective
> pulling power in every gear due to a taller overall effective final
> drive ratio.
> -----------------
> TheSnoMan.com