Joshua Nelson

Is anyone aware of an aftermarket kit that will let you put keyless
entry in the full hard doors on a CJ?

I have been to a couple of local alarm installation type places, and
they tell me it can't be done because 1) There's not enough room in
those thin doors for the motor mechanism, and 2) The removable doors
won't work with the permanent wiring.

But I refuse to believe them... there has to be a way to do this.
With all the ingenuity I've seen on aftermarket jeep products, there
must be some kind of keyless kit.

(Yes, I am aware that by putting such electronics into a CJ I am
showing evidence of being a girly man and not a "real jeeper". Please
don't flame me too bad.)

Jeff Strickland

Let's go with the removable door thing for a moment, when you arem the
system, and the doors are removed, how will the system know that it has been
compromised? Secondly, how would you provide a connector that will allow the
doors to be removed?

I would go with the professionals, if they say it can't be done, then move
on.




"Joshua Nelson" <spam_box@ev1.net> wrote in message
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> Is anyone aware of an aftermarket kit that will let you put keyless
> entry in the full hard doors on a CJ?
>
> I have been to a couple of local alarm installation type places, and
> they tell me it can't be done because 1) There's not enough room in
> those thin doors for the motor mechanism, and 2) The removable doors
> won't work with the permanent wiring.
>
> But I refuse to believe them... there has to be a way to do this.
> With all the ingenuity I've seen on aftermarket jeep products, there
> must be some kind of keyless kit.
>
> (Yes, I am aware that by putting such electronics into a CJ I am
> showing evidence of being a girly man and not a "real jeeper". Please
> don't flame me too bad.)

someone

"Jeff Strickland" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Let's go with the removable door thing for a moment, when you arem the
> system, and the doors are removed, how will the system know that it has
been
> compromised?

Motion sensor inside the vehicle?
But, since we're talking about keyless entry, not necessarily an alarm,
"compromised" isn't an issue, just the ability to unlock the doors with a
remote control.


Secondly, how would you provide a connector that will allow the
> doors to be removed?
>

The same way they do it on sliding doors on mini-vans. No wires going into
the doors. Brass contacts in the door jamb and on the door. When the
door's closed, you have continuity and it works, when the door's removed or
open, no continuity, and no big deal.

> I would go with the professionals, if they say it can't be done, then move
> on.
>

Yeah, I've met some of the "pros" just because they're too lazy/incompetent
doesn't mean something can't be done. Keep looking. I'm not saying it is
possibly, I'm just saying I wouldn't trust the first "pro" who says it
can't.

Jeff Strickland

"someone" <someone@home.org> wrote in message
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>
> "Jeff Strickland" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:vjfeanlaholo68@corp.supernews.com...
> > Let's go with the removable door thing for a moment, when you arem the
> > system, and the doors are removed, how will the system know that it has
> been
> > compromised?
>
> Motion sensor inside the vehicle?
> But, since we're talking about keyless entry, not necessarily an alarm,
> "compromised" isn't an issue, just the ability to unlock the doors with a
> remote control.
>
>
> Secondly, how would you provide a connector that will allow the
> > doors to be removed?
> >
>
> The same way they do it on sliding doors on mini-vans. No wires going
into
> the doors. Brass contacts in the door jamb and on the door. When the
> door's closed, you have continuity and it works, when the door's removed
or
> open, no continuity, and no big deal.
>
> > I would go with the professionals, if they say it can't be done, then
move
> > on.
> >
>
> Yeah, I've met some of the "pros" just because they're too
lazy/incompetent
> doesn't mean something can't be done. Keep looking. I'm not saying it is
> possibly, I'm just saying I wouldn't trust the first "pro" who says it
> can't.
>
>
If you get the same answer from multiple "professionals", then maybe, just
maybe, they are not saying it because they are lazy. They could be saying it
because it is true. I wouldn't go with the first guy that said not either,
but the original poster said the he had been to a couple of places, and all
of them said no.

Just a personal observation here, but I don't see the point in spending
upwards of $200 (it will take $229 to put a remote access system on my BMW,
and I already have the solenoids and relays needed to lock and unlock the
doors all from one place) on a system to unlock a door. There are only two
doors on the Jeep in the first place, and you only need one of them open to
drive away, or you only need the other one open if there is a passenger. I
do not see how this could even remotely (no pun intended) pay for itself in
making life easier.

Simon Juncal

L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
> Ditto, just open an Hot Rod magazine for the remote windows and
> stuff. He could get some cool spoilers too:
> http://www.----------.com/targajeep.jpg

That is hideous, but I don't think remote locks fall into the same catagory.

Evan

anything can be done w/ enough money.

Surly some one can put the mechanism in the tub the extracts a pin into and out
of the door. Then it would not matter about removing the door or the with of
the door.. Surely in the time of cars with shaved handles, and Keyless entry
that opens the door not just unlock it. . .

OT: however un-American it may by, and beside the fact i don't fit in it. My
wife's keyless entry on her accord is slick. I even catch my self wishing I
could roll down the windows as I walk up to my truck. . . one of those things
I would have never paid extra for, but now will go look for on the next one. .
..



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Tim Carver

On Mon, 11 Aug 2003 08:41:20 -0700, "Jeff Strickland"
<beerman@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Let's go with the removable door thing for a moment, when you arem the
>system, and the doors are removed, how will the system know that it has been
>compromised?
When the system notices that the doors are opened (same case as
doors disconnected) at the time the system is armed, it chirps at you
to warn you of this, and then it ignores the doors until the next time
the system is armed anew. This is a standard thing with car alarms.

>Secondly, how would you provide a connector that will allow the
>doors to be removed?
The wiring is just zip cord, fed through the retaining strap, with
simple quick disconnects. This is not a big deal.
>
>I would go with the professionals, if they say it can't be done, then move
>on.
The "can't do removable wiring" comment by his pros is total nonsense.

I can't speak for the CJ full doors, but it can certainly be done in
TJ full doors because I have it in mine. I think it was $50 per
door (added to the rest of the alarm install).

You guys can laugh at this if you want, but keyless is pretty nice.
If you have an alarm, it saves having to remember to first punch the
button to disarm the alarm before opening the doors, and it also
automatically locks/unlocks the doors when the engine is
started/stopped.

I think if you think about it, the best case for an alarm on a Jeep
is the tailgate, if you have a storage drawer or some other storage
that requires the gate to be open for access (theft). Since that
tailgate has to open for a thief to get into my Tuffy drawer, then an
alarm is useful on the tailgate. And once you have the alarm, you may
as well do the doors - you need at least the tailgate and hood (to
protect the alarm) anyway. And once you have the doors alarmed, the
keyless is very nice for dealing with it.


>
>
>
>
>"Joshua Nelson" <spam_box@ev1.net> wrote in message
>news:b102b6e4.0308110705.79263577@posting.google. com...
>> Is anyone aware of an aftermarket kit that will let you put keyless
>> entry in the full hard doors on a CJ?
>>
>> I have been to a couple of local alarm installation type places, and
>> they tell me it can't be done because 1) There's not enough room in
>> those thin doors for the motor mechanism, and 2) The removable doors
>> won't work with the permanent wiring.
>>
>> But I refuse to believe them... there has to be a way to do this.
>> With all the ingenuity I've seen on aftermarket jeep products, there
>> must be some kind of keyless kit.
>>
>> (Yes, I am aware that by putting such electronics into a CJ I am
>> showing evidence of being a girly man and not a "real jeeper". Please
>> don't flame me too bad.)
>

Tim Carver
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L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

No Problem, just like any '32 Ford you see on the street. CJs are
listed at: http://www.electric-life.com/
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Evan wrote:
>
> anything can be done w/ enough money.
>
> Surly some one can put the mechanism in the tub the extracts a pin into and out
> of the door. Then it would not matter about removing the door or the with of
> the door.. Surely in the time of cars with shaved handles, and Keyless entry
> that opens the door not just unlock it. . .
>
> OT: however un-American it may by, and beside the fact i don't fit in it. My
> wife's keyless entry on her accord is slick. I even catch my self wishing I
> could roll down the windows as I walk up to my truck. . . one of those things
> I would have never paid extra for, but now will go look for on the next one. .
> .
>
> 83 CJ 8, a work in progress
> http://hometown.aol.com/ebmvi/MyTJindex.html
> Take out the "XXX" to e-mail me

Jeff Strickland

"Joshua Nelson" <spam_box@ev1.net> wrote in message
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> Simon Juncal <sjuncal@erols.com> wrote in message
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> > Jeff Strickland wrote:
> > > Just a personal observation here, but I don't see the point in
spending
> > > upwards of $200 (it will take $229 to put a remote access system on my
BMW,
> > > and I already have the solenoids and relays needed to lock and unlock
the
> > > doors all from one place) on a system to unlock a door. There are only
two
> > > doors on the Jeep in the first place, and you only need one of them
open to
> > > drive away, or you only need the other one open if there is a
passenger. I
> > > do not see how this could even remotely (no pun intended) pay for
itself in
> > > making life easier.
> >
> > I gather he wants to do it for the coolness factor, they really don't
> > make life that much easier unless of course you have a remote trunk at
> > which point they make life so much easier that I don't think I'd buy a
> > car without it anymore. Of course that's not a consideration on a Jeep.
>
>
> Actually, it's because I do not have the keys for the door locks, and
> one of the lock cylinders (passenger side) has broken teeth anyway, so
> it would cost me $50-$100+ to a locksmith to re-key it anyhow. I use
> this jeep as a daily driver for myself and my 2 year old child. The
> jeep is lifted with big tires. YOU try unlocking a door on a lifted
> jeep while balancing a toddler, diaper bag, and stroller in the other
> hand, and you will see why I need this.



Take the door panels off and remove the locks. Go and get the locks rekeyed
and put them back in. Personally, I wouldn't spend the money on remotes, but
that is just me. And, at 50 years old, I have unlocked the doors many times
while carrying a kid, et al, so I know exactly what you are up against. I
would buy a remote system on a new car in a heart beat, but I would not even
consider a retrofit to a YJ. Good luck, but I don't think you will get very
far.

Wranglerjeep1

$50-$100 Bucks to rekey/replace the lock cylinders is crazy. I broke my key off
inside the door last winter. Went down to the local locksmith and he only
charged me $20......he used the glove box lock to make a copy and key a new
cylinder...PLUS he gave me 2 keys!

Brian
88 YJ