K & N Air Filter Questions
 

I've heard the arguements pro and con. Who has experience with them on
Jeeps? Is it true they can let more dirt get through to the engine?
Lots of dust here in the desert..

I used one on my previous vehicle (2001 Honda Passport SUV) and I
think it was actually a liability after 50,000 miles. And yes I
cleaned it as needed.

Skyslider

Re: K & N Air Filter Questions
 

Skyslider wrote:
> I've heard the arguements pro and con. Who has experience with them on
> Jeeps? Is it true they can let more dirt get through to the engine?
> Lots of dust here in the desert..
>
> I used one on my previous vehicle (2001 Honda Passport SUV) and I
> think it was actually a liability after 50,000 miles. And yes I
> cleaned it as needed.
>
> Skyslider
I have the MoPar version of the K&N on my '04 TJ I6. I change my oil
every 3K miles and clean the filter every second oil change following
the instructions on the cleaning kit (P5153376). I check for crud
buildup in the aluminum tube when i pull the filter for cleaning. I've
got over 50K miles on my TJ and I don't burn a measurable amount between
oil changes and with new NGK plugs every 20K miles. I live in Arizona,
but up in the White Mountains. No doubt you get a lot more dust than I do.

--
FRH

Re: K & N Air Filter Questions
 

On Sun, 27 Jan 2008 08:12:17 -0800, Skyslider wrote:

> I've heard the arguements pro and con. Who has experience with them on
> Jeeps? Is it true they can let more dirt get through to the engine?
> Lots of dust here in the desert..
>
> I used one on my previous vehicle (2001 Honda Passport SUV) and I
> think it was actually a liability after 50,000 miles. And yes I
> cleaned it as needed.
>
> Skyslider

I've got a K&N intake teamed with a self-designed custom exhaust
system and a MagnaFlow muffler. (it's actually an off-road intake, on a
full-size Chrysler, not street legal, but who cares....)

The HP and torque has increased dramatically, as has the gas metrage
(mileage down in the US).

British Columbia uses CARB standards plus more, very stringent, and I
glide through the mandatory AirCare check with stats far better than
other cars of the same general type.

Of course, we don't get much dust on the coast, just RAIN, but people in
the BC interior do in the summer, and they have reported similar results.

Not quite what you asked, but it is something you can consider.....


PF


--
Words ought to be a little wild, for they are the assault of thoughts
on the unthinking.

-John Maynard Keynes, economist (1883-1946)

Re: K & N Air Filter Questions
 

On Jan 27, 3:59 pm, Pink Freud©® <drive-in-
lobotom...@trepanation.calm> wrote:
> On Sun, 27 Jan 2008 08:12:17 -0800, Skyslider wrote:
> > I've heard the arguements pro and con. Who has experience with them on
> > Jeeps? Is it true they can let more dirt get through to the engine?
> > Lots of dust here in the desert..
>
> > I used one on my previous vehicle (2001 Honda Passport SUV) and I
> > think it was actually a liability after 50,000 miles. And yes I
> > cleaned it as needed.
>
> > Skyslider
>
> I've got a K&N intake teamed with a self-designed custom exhaust
> system and a MagnaFlow muffler. (it's actually an off-road intake, on a
> full-size Chrysler, not street legal, but who cares....)
>
> The HP and torque has increased dramatically, as has the gas metrage
> (mileage down in the US).
>
> British Columbia uses CARB standards plus more, very stringent, and I
> glide through the mandatory AirCare check with stats far better than
> other cars of the same general type.
>
> Of course, we don't get much dust on the coast, just RAIN, but people in
> the BC interior do in the summer, and they have reported similar results.
>
> Not quite what you asked, but it is something you can consider.....
>
> PF
>
> --
> Words ought to be a little wild, for they are the assault of thoughts
> on the unthinking.
>
> -John Maynard Keynes, economist (1883-1946)

Thanks Frank and PF. I guess you both endorse the K & N over the
standard paper filter.....
Because I'm not a car guy by nature I'd like to keep this vehicle with
stock parts, mostly to not void any warranty...
In any event I think I'll pick another one up..

Skyslider

Re: K & N Air Filter Questions
 

"Skyslider" <lassie81623@mypacks.net> wrote in message
news:e0dfab75-c821-43f6-b76d-f0423c8b051f@s12g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
On Jan 27, 3:59 pm, Pink Freud©® <drive-in-
lobotom...@trepanation.calm> wrote:
> On Sun, 27 Jan 2008 08:12:17 -0800, Skyslider wrote:
> > I've heard the arguements pro and con. Who has experience with them on
> > Jeeps? Is it true they can let more dirt get through to the engine?
> > Lots of dust here in the desert..
>
> > I used one on my previous vehicle (2001 Honda Passport SUV) and I
> > think it was actually a liability after 50,000 miles. And yes I
> > cleaned it as needed.
>
> > Skyslider
>
> I've got a K&N intake teamed with a self-designed custom exhaust
> system and a MagnaFlow muffler. (it's actually an off-road intake, on a
> full-size Chrysler, not street legal, but who cares....)
>
> The HP and torque has increased dramatically, as has the gas metrage
> (mileage down in the US).
>
> British Columbia uses CARB standards plus more, very stringent, and I
> glide through the mandatory AirCare check with stats far better than
> other cars of the same general type.
>
> Of course, we don't get much dust on the coast, just RAIN, but people in
> the BC interior do in the summer, and they have reported similar results.
>
> Not quite what you asked, but it is something you can consider.....
>
> PF
>
> --
> Words ought to be a little wild, for they are the assault of thoughts
> on the unthinking.
>
> -John Maynard Keynes, economist (1883-1946)

Thanks Frank and PF. I guess you both endorse the K & N over the
standard paper filter.....
Because I'm not a car guy by nature I'd like to keep this vehicle with
stock parts, mostly to not void any warranty...
In any event I think I'll pick another one up..

Skyslider
--- --- --- --- --- ---
If you live in the desert with lots of dust a good option is to use the
paper filters and change them frequently. You can get a sock type thing to
go over the K&N off road filters but what's the point of an off road filter
with additional restriction? Do not clean the paper filters. The dust gets
in there, damaging the paper fibers. Then when you hit it with water or air
it just damages it more on the way out. If you vacuumed it the dust would
still damage it some. I have a shop vac filter that is designed to be
cleaned with a garden hose, but your car filter is not.

I have had a K&N on my Jeep for 80,000 miles but I clean it regularly and do
not let it get covered with congealed dust bunnies like some people do.

Cheers,

Earle

Re: K & N Air Filter Questions
 

Skyslider wrote:
> Thanks Frank and PF. I guess you both endorse the K & N over the
> standard paper filter.....
> Because I'm not a car guy by nature I'd like to keep this vehicle with
> stock parts, mostly to not void any warranty...
> In any event I think I'll pick another one up..
>
> Skyslider

The dealer I bought the MoPar filter from said since it was a Chrysler
Performance Part it wouldn't affect my warranty. That's why I went with
that one over the K&N. I would have waited until my 3/36 warranty had
expired before using a K&N filter. As a practical matter they're almost
identical except for the MoPar logo :-)
--
FRH

Re: K & N Air Filter Questions
 

On Jan 27, 7:03 pm, "Frank_v7.0" <n...@no.net> wrote:
> Skyslider wrote:
> > Thanks Frank and PF. I guess you both endorse the K & N over the
> > standard paper filter.....
> > Because I'm not a car guy by nature I'd like to keep this vehicle with
> > stock parts, mostly to not void any warranty...
> > In any event I think I'll pick another one up..
>
> > Skyslider
>
> The dealer I bought the MoPar filter from said since it was a Chrysler
> Performance Part it wouldn't affect my warranty. That's why I went with
> that one over the K&N. I would have waited until my 3/36 warranty had
> expired before using a K&N filter. As a practical matter they're almost
> identical except for the MoPar logo :-)
> --
> FRH

Frank I checked...K & N claims it violates No warranties. What is
retail price for the Mopar version. K & N retails for around 40
dollars.

Now I DO recall the extra power it delivers. Many buyers claim 2mpg
improvement in mileage. I call that significant these days..

Skyslider

Re: K & N Air Filter Questions
 

Skyslider wrote:
> On Jan 27, 7:03 pm, "Frank_v7.0" <n...@no.net> wrote:
>> Skyslider wrote:
>>> Thanks Frank and PF. I guess you both endorse the K & N over the
>>> standard paper filter.....
>>> Because I'm not a car guy by nature I'd like to keep this vehicle with
>>> stock parts, mostly to not void any warranty...
>>> In any event I think I'll pick another one up..
>>> Skyslider
>> The dealer I bought the MoPar filter from said since it was a Chrysler
>> Performance Part it wouldn't affect my warranty. That's why I went with
>> that one over the K&N. I would have waited until my 3/36 warranty had
>> expired before using a K&N filter. As a practical matter they're almost
>> identical except for the MoPar logo :-)
>> --
>> FRH
>
> Frank I checked...K & N claims it violates No warranties. What is
> retail price for the Mopar version. K & N retails for around 40
> dollars.
>
> Now I DO recall the extra power it delivers. Many buyers claim 2mpg
> improvement in mileage. I call that significant these days..
>
> Skyslider
Light bulb comes on over Frank's head :-) You're talking about the
replacement for the stock air filter. I'm talking about the complete
intake system (Chrysler P5153368). A bit more than $40. Sorry about the
mix up. But it does get better mileage than stock and a bit more power
(enough to notice).

--
FRH

Re: K & N Air Filter Questions
 

On Mon, 28 Jan 2008 04:47:52 +0000, Frank_v7.0 wrote:

> Skyslider wrote:
>> On Jan 27, 7:03 pm, "Frank_v7.0" <n...@no.net> wrote:
>>> Skyslider wrote:
>>>> Thanks Frank and PF. I guess you both endorse the K & N over the
>>>> standard paper filter.....
>>>> Because I'm not a car guy by nature I'd like to keep this vehicle with
>>>> stock parts, mostly to not void any warranty...
>>>> In any event I think I'll pick another one up..
>>>> Skyslider
>>> The dealer I bought the MoPar filter from said since it was a Chrysler
>>> Performance Part it wouldn't affect my warranty. That's why I went with
>>> that one over the K&N. I would have waited until my 3/36 warranty had
>>> expired before using a K&N filter. As a practical matter they're almost
>>> identical except for the MoPar logo :-)
>>> --
>>> FRH
>>
>> Frank I checked...K & N claims it violates No warranties. What is
>> retail price for the Mopar version. K & N retails for around 40
>> dollars.
>>
>> Now I DO recall the extra power it delivers. Many buyers claim 2mpg
>> improvement in mileage. I call that significant these days..
>>
>> Skyslider
> Light bulb comes on over Frank's head :-) You're talking about the
> replacement for the stock air filter. I'm talking about the complete
> intake system (Chrysler P5153368). A bit more than $40. Sorry about the
> mix up. But it does get better mileage than stock and a bit more power
> (enough to notice).

And a second bulb illuminates over mine.

Same deal, the entire intake system, not just the filter.

Retails @ ~ U$D 350.00....

Whether that violates the warranty, I knoweth not. It doth violate my
local regs for street use, but so far it's not been an issue.


PF


--
Words ought to be a little wild, for they are the assault of thoughts
on the unthinking.

-John Maynard Keynes, economist (1883-1946)

Re: K & N Air Filter Questions
 

"Pink Freud©®" <drive-in-lobotomies@trepanation.calm> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 28 Jan 2008 04:47:52 +0000, Frank_v7.0 wrote:
>
>> Skyslider wrote:
>>> On Jan 27, 7:03 pm, "Frank_v7.0" <n...@no.net> wrote:
>>>> Skyslider wrote:
>>>>> Thanks Frank and PF. I guess you both endorse the K & N over the
>>>>> standard paper filter.....
>>>>> Because I'm not a car guy by nature I'd like to keep this vehicle with
>>>>> stock parts, mostly to not void any warranty...
>>>>> In any event I think I'll pick another one up..
>>>>> Skyslider
>>>> The dealer I bought the MoPar filter from said since it was a Chrysler
>>>> Performance Part it wouldn't affect my warranty. That's why I went with
>>>> that one over the K&N. I would have waited until my 3/36 warranty had
>>>> expired before using a K&N filter. As a practical matter they're almost
>>>> identical except for the MoPar logo :-)
>>>> --
>>>> FRH
>>>
>>> Frank I checked...K & N claims it violates No warranties. What is
>>> retail price for the Mopar version. K & N retails for around 40
>>> dollars.
>>>
>>> Now I DO recall the extra power it delivers. Many buyers claim 2mpg
>>> improvement in mileage. I call that significant these days..
>>>
>>> Skyslider
>> Light bulb comes on over Frank's head :-) You're talking about the
>> replacement for the stock air filter. I'm talking about the complete
>> intake system (Chrysler P5153368). A bit more than $40. Sorry about the
>> mix up. But it does get better mileage than stock and a bit more power
>> (enough to notice).
>
> And a second bulb illuminates over mine.
>
> Same deal, the entire intake system, not just the filter.
>
> Retails @ ~ U$D 350.00....
>
> Whether that violates the warranty, I knoweth not. It doth violate my
> local regs for street use, but so far it's not been an issue.
>
>
The one I bought from Turbo City claims to be CARB compliant. It is a bit
noiser than the stock intake, and as far as "local regs" in Colorado, no
such animal.

Cheers,

Earle