griffin

Ya, all the necessary parts are out (and a couple of extras that I wasn't
sure were holding in the heater unit or not ;p) but I also didn't have to
remove my dash and had no problems doing anything from the inside of the
Jeep. My only problems were some of the bolts in the engine compartment.
All-in-all ...not too complicated. Once the rain stops I'm gonna go drill
out a bigger hole and all should be well. Looking back it was a pretty easy
job (except for any rusted bolts and the fact that my rad had to be drained
through the hose because my damn butterfly nut is broken). Still debating
whether to do the heater core tho ...is there a gasket that has to be
replaced if I take it apart?

"Greg" <greglc84@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:763%c.330115$gE.75012@pd7tw3no...
> I looked at my heater core, wondered if it would die next week after
doing
> blower upgrade, but it wasn't all that hard to get heater assembly out,
and
> now that it has new bolts holding it in, I figure I could have it out in
> about 15 minutes if I had to do it to change core.
> I read the upgrade page and that guy took his dash off on the one side,
I
> didn't have any reason to do this, didn't find the dash was in the way at
> all, would of been nice to take battery tray off, but one bolt on that was
> rusted on. I took battery out, jack out, drained radiator, unhooked hoses,
> unpluged motor, 4 nuts off, unhooked the cables and out it comes, new
motor
> bolts in to same 6 screw holes, I used a die grinder bit in my drill to
> enlarge hole, but I have a fiberglass tub and firewall so that may not
work
> with steel dash. 81 CJ7.
>
> "griffin" <gryffy@DELTHISshaw.ca> wrote in message
> news:DY2%c.315327$M95.24530@pd7tw1no...
> > So you actually mean to boil it in water? I'm guessing this helps get
rid
> of
> > the dirt/stuff? How long for? Completely submerge it?
> >
> > "griffin" <gryffy@DELTHISshaw.ca> wrote in message
> > news:Oh2%c.327851$J06.11052@pd7tw2no...
> > > Hmm, ok. I actually just have it all apart now and am making a
template
> > for
> > > the new blower motor to cut out. I did notice though that my new motor
> > does
> > > not have a spongy seal around it like the stock one did ...is this
going
> > to
> > > have any adverse effects? I was going to try and use the old one and
> > simply
> > > enlarge the hole but there isn't enough material there to make it
work.
> Is
> > > it worth finding/buying one that will fit the new motor?
> > >
> > > Thanks!
> > >
> > > "Dale Beckett" <dale@NOT.com> wrote in message
> > > news:MPG.1ba65d5d1cff47a89896fc@news.east.earthlin k.net....
> > > > gryffy@DELTHISshaw.ca says...
> > > > > I'm actually about to do this upgrade today. I got the blower for
> > $35CDN
> > > > > after tax at PartsSource. Is it worth doing? Any tips/hints? I'm
> > putting
> > > it
> > > > > in an '85 CJ7. Thanks!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Yes indeed, it's worth doing, but I would make this one suggestion.
> If
> > > the
> > > > heater core is old, have it boiled out or replaced while you have it
> > > apart,
> > > > saving the aggravation of having to take it apart later.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > > Dale
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

griffin

Ya, all the necessary parts are out (and a couple of extras that I wasn't
sure were holding in the heater unit or not ;p) but I also didn't have to
remove my dash and had no problems doing anything from the inside of the
Jeep. My only problems were some of the bolts in the engine compartment.
All-in-all ...not too complicated. Once the rain stops I'm gonna go drill
out a bigger hole and all should be well. Looking back it was a pretty easy
job (except for any rusted bolts and the fact that my rad had to be drained
through the hose because my damn butterfly nut is broken). Still debating
whether to do the heater core tho ...is there a gasket that has to be
replaced if I take it apart?

"Greg" <greglc84@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:763%c.330115$gE.75012@pd7tw3no...
> I looked at my heater core, wondered if it would die next week after
doing
> blower upgrade, but it wasn't all that hard to get heater assembly out,
and
> now that it has new bolts holding it in, I figure I could have it out in
> about 15 minutes if I had to do it to change core.
> I read the upgrade page and that guy took his dash off on the one side,
I
> didn't have any reason to do this, didn't find the dash was in the way at
> all, would of been nice to take battery tray off, but one bolt on that was
> rusted on. I took battery out, jack out, drained radiator, unhooked hoses,
> unpluged motor, 4 nuts off, unhooked the cables and out it comes, new
motor
> bolts in to same 6 screw holes, I used a die grinder bit in my drill to
> enlarge hole, but I have a fiberglass tub and firewall so that may not
work
> with steel dash. 81 CJ7.
>
> "griffin" <gryffy@DELTHISshaw.ca> wrote in message
> news:DY2%c.315327$M95.24530@pd7tw1no...
> > So you actually mean to boil it in water? I'm guessing this helps get
rid
> of
> > the dirt/stuff? How long for? Completely submerge it?
> >
> > "griffin" <gryffy@DELTHISshaw.ca> wrote in message
> > news:Oh2%c.327851$J06.11052@pd7tw2no...
> > > Hmm, ok. I actually just have it all apart now and am making a
template
> > for
> > > the new blower motor to cut out. I did notice though that my new motor
> > does
> > > not have a spongy seal around it like the stock one did ...is this
going
> > to
> > > have any adverse effects? I was going to try and use the old one and
> > simply
> > > enlarge the hole but there isn't enough material there to make it
work.
> Is
> > > it worth finding/buying one that will fit the new motor?
> > >
> > > Thanks!
> > >
> > > "Dale Beckett" <dale@NOT.com> wrote in message
> > > news:MPG.1ba65d5d1cff47a89896fc@news.east.earthlin k.net....
> > > > gryffy@DELTHISshaw.ca says...
> > > > > I'm actually about to do this upgrade today. I got the blower for
> > $35CDN
> > > > > after tax at PartsSource. Is it worth doing? Any tips/hints? I'm
> > putting
> > > it
> > > > > in an '85 CJ7. Thanks!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Yes indeed, it's worth doing, but I would make this one suggestion.
> If
> > > the
> > > > heater core is old, have it boiled out or replaced while you have it
> > > apart,
> > > > saving the aggravation of having to take it apart later.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > > Dale
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

Mike Romain

The stock one stretched fine over mine. I had to use a drop of silicone
on one spot because I was a little off with the new hole.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

griffin wrote:
>
> Hmm, ok. I actually just have it all apart now and am making a template for
> the new blower motor to cut out. I did notice though that my new motor does
> not have a spongy seal around it like the stock one did ...is this going to
> have any adverse effects? I was going to try and use the old one and simply
> enlarge the hole but there isn't enough material there to make it work. Is
> it worth finding/buying one that will fit the new motor?
>
> Thanks!
>
> "Dale Beckett" <dale@NOT.com> wrote in message
> news:MPG.1ba65d5d1cff47a89896fc@news.east.earthlin k.net....
> > gryffy@DELTHISshaw.ca says...
> > > I'm actually about to do this upgrade today. I got the blower for $35CDN
> > > after tax at PartsSource. Is it worth doing? Any tips/hints? I'm putting
> it
> > > in an '85 CJ7. Thanks!
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Yes indeed, it's worth doing, but I would make this one suggestion. If
> the
> > heater core is old, have it boiled out or replaced while you have it
> apart,
> > saving the aggravation of having to take it apart later.
> >
> > --
> >
> > Dale

Mike Romain

The stock one stretched fine over mine. I had to use a drop of silicone
on one spot because I was a little off with the new hole.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

griffin wrote:
>
> Hmm, ok. I actually just have it all apart now and am making a template for
> the new blower motor to cut out. I did notice though that my new motor does
> not have a spongy seal around it like the stock one did ...is this going to
> have any adverse effects? I was going to try and use the old one and simply
> enlarge the hole but there isn't enough material there to make it work. Is
> it worth finding/buying one that will fit the new motor?
>
> Thanks!
>
> "Dale Beckett" <dale@NOT.com> wrote in message
> news:MPG.1ba65d5d1cff47a89896fc@news.east.earthlin k.net....
> > gryffy@DELTHISshaw.ca says...
> > > I'm actually about to do this upgrade today. I got the blower for $35CDN
> > > after tax at PartsSource. Is it worth doing? Any tips/hints? I'm putting
> it
> > > in an '85 CJ7. Thanks!
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Yes indeed, it's worth doing, but I would make this one suggestion. If
> the
> > heater core is old, have it boiled out or replaced while you have it
> apart,
> > saving the aggravation of having to take it apart later.
> >
> > --
> >
> > Dale

Mike Romain

The stock one stretched fine over mine. I had to use a drop of silicone
on one spot because I was a little off with the new hole.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

griffin wrote:
>
> Hmm, ok. I actually just have it all apart now and am making a template for
> the new blower motor to cut out. I did notice though that my new motor does
> not have a spongy seal around it like the stock one did ...is this going to
> have any adverse effects? I was going to try and use the old one and simply
> enlarge the hole but there isn't enough material there to make it work. Is
> it worth finding/buying one that will fit the new motor?
>
> Thanks!
>
> "Dale Beckett" <dale@NOT.com> wrote in message
> news:MPG.1ba65d5d1cff47a89896fc@news.east.earthlin k.net....
> > gryffy@DELTHISshaw.ca says...
> > > I'm actually about to do this upgrade today. I got the blower for $35CDN
> > > after tax at PartsSource. Is it worth doing? Any tips/hints? I'm putting
> it
> > > in an '85 CJ7. Thanks!
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Yes indeed, it's worth doing, but I would make this one suggestion. If
> the
> > heater core is old, have it boiled out or replaced while you have it
> apart,
> > saving the aggravation of having to take it apart later.
> >
> > --
> >
> > Dale

griffin

@#$@#!$ I'm glad you guys seemed to all have an easy time with this ...mine
is being a bitchpig. Nothing as of yet has fit at all smoothly. I now have 5
(yes, 5!) different modified gaskets I've created to try and fit this all
together and still no luck. Like an idiot I threw out the old motor and I
need that little seal off it because the fan gets stuck on the plastic
housing and won't spin. I tried making a rubbery gasket piece in it's place
and it compresses too much when I bolt the assembly back on and it gets
stuck again. So ya, now I'm going back out to modify my 5th gasket and
create a 6th (sorta) silicon seal around the back of the blower motor on the
engine side to try and make a half-assed repair-job of the massive slices
and chunks I tore out with a reciprocating saw. For anyone about to do this
mod ...stick with a jigsaw or build a template and use a holesaw. Recipro
saw is NOT the way to go ;p

*SIGH*!!!

This 2 hour job is now a 2day job. It's a Jeep thing.

On the plus side tho, that motor sure does blow air alot better and I tested
mine outside the assembly and it was actually starting to fail a bit (slow
down, speed up, slow down, etc) so it'll be worth it when it hits -30.


"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:413E0B02.7C92B5FE@sympatico.ca...
> The stock one stretched fine over mine. I had to use a drop of silicone
> on one spot because I was a little off with the new hole.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> griffin wrote:
> >
> > Hmm, ok. I actually just have it all apart now and am making a template
for
> > the new blower motor to cut out. I did notice though that my new motor
does
> > not have a spongy seal around it like the stock one did ...is this going
to
> > have any adverse effects? I was going to try and use the old one and
simply
> > enlarge the hole but there isn't enough material there to make it work.
Is
> > it worth finding/buying one that will fit the new motor?
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > "Dale Beckett" <dale@NOT.com> wrote in message
> > news:MPG.1ba65d5d1cff47a89896fc@news.east.earthlin k.net....
> > > gryffy@DELTHISshaw.ca says...
> > > > I'm actually about to do this upgrade today. I got the blower for
$35CDN
> > > > after tax at PartsSource. Is it worth doing? Any tips/hints? I'm
putting
> > it
> > > > in an '85 CJ7. Thanks!
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > Yes indeed, it's worth doing, but I would make this one suggestion.
If
> > the
> > > heater core is old, have it boiled out or replaced while you have it
> > apart,
> > > saving the aggravation of having to take it apart later.
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > Dale

griffin

@#$@#!$ I'm glad you guys seemed to all have an easy time with this ...mine
is being a bitchpig. Nothing as of yet has fit at all smoothly. I now have 5
(yes, 5!) different modified gaskets I've created to try and fit this all
together and still no luck. Like an idiot I threw out the old motor and I
need that little seal off it because the fan gets stuck on the plastic
housing and won't spin. I tried making a rubbery gasket piece in it's place
and it compresses too much when I bolt the assembly back on and it gets
stuck again. So ya, now I'm going back out to modify my 5th gasket and
create a 6th (sorta) silicon seal around the back of the blower motor on the
engine side to try and make a half-assed repair-job of the massive slices
and chunks I tore out with a reciprocating saw. For anyone about to do this
mod ...stick with a jigsaw or build a template and use a holesaw. Recipro
saw is NOT the way to go ;p

*SIGH*!!!

This 2 hour job is now a 2day job. It's a Jeep thing.

On the plus side tho, that motor sure does blow air alot better and I tested
mine outside the assembly and it was actually starting to fail a bit (slow
down, speed up, slow down, etc) so it'll be worth it when it hits -30.


"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:413E0B02.7C92B5FE@sympatico.ca...
> The stock one stretched fine over mine. I had to use a drop of silicone
> on one spot because I was a little off with the new hole.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> griffin wrote:
> >
> > Hmm, ok. I actually just have it all apart now and am making a template
for
> > the new blower motor to cut out. I did notice though that my new motor
does
> > not have a spongy seal around it like the stock one did ...is this going
to
> > have any adverse effects? I was going to try and use the old one and
simply
> > enlarge the hole but there isn't enough material there to make it work.
Is
> > it worth finding/buying one that will fit the new motor?
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > "Dale Beckett" <dale@NOT.com> wrote in message
> > news:MPG.1ba65d5d1cff47a89896fc@news.east.earthlin k.net....
> > > gryffy@DELTHISshaw.ca says...
> > > > I'm actually about to do this upgrade today. I got the blower for
$35CDN
> > > > after tax at PartsSource. Is it worth doing? Any tips/hints? I'm
putting
> > it
> > > > in an '85 CJ7. Thanks!
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > Yes indeed, it's worth doing, but I would make this one suggestion.
If
> > the
> > > heater core is old, have it boiled out or replaced while you have it
> > apart,
> > > saving the aggravation of having to take it apart later.
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > Dale

griffin

@#$@#!$ I'm glad you guys seemed to all have an easy time with this ...mine
is being a bitchpig. Nothing as of yet has fit at all smoothly. I now have 5
(yes, 5!) different modified gaskets I've created to try and fit this all
together and still no luck. Like an idiot I threw out the old motor and I
need that little seal off it because the fan gets stuck on the plastic
housing and won't spin. I tried making a rubbery gasket piece in it's place
and it compresses too much when I bolt the assembly back on and it gets
stuck again. So ya, now I'm going back out to modify my 5th gasket and
create a 6th (sorta) silicon seal around the back of the blower motor on the
engine side to try and make a half-assed repair-job of the massive slices
and chunks I tore out with a reciprocating saw. For anyone about to do this
mod ...stick with a jigsaw or build a template and use a holesaw. Recipro
saw is NOT the way to go ;p

*SIGH*!!!

This 2 hour job is now a 2day job. It's a Jeep thing.

On the plus side tho, that motor sure does blow air alot better and I tested
mine outside the assembly and it was actually starting to fail a bit (slow
down, speed up, slow down, etc) so it'll be worth it when it hits -30.


"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:413E0B02.7C92B5FE@sympatico.ca...
> The stock one stretched fine over mine. I had to use a drop of silicone
> on one spot because I was a little off with the new hole.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> griffin wrote:
> >
> > Hmm, ok. I actually just have it all apart now and am making a template
for
> > the new blower motor to cut out. I did notice though that my new motor
does
> > not have a spongy seal around it like the stock one did ...is this going
to
> > have any adverse effects? I was going to try and use the old one and
simply
> > enlarge the hole but there isn't enough material there to make it work.
Is
> > it worth finding/buying one that will fit the new motor?
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > "Dale Beckett" <dale@NOT.com> wrote in message
> > news:MPG.1ba65d5d1cff47a89896fc@news.east.earthlin k.net....
> > > gryffy@DELTHISshaw.ca says...
> > > > I'm actually about to do this upgrade today. I got the blower for
$35CDN
> > > > after tax at PartsSource. Is it worth doing? Any tips/hints? I'm
putting
> > it
> > > > in an '85 CJ7. Thanks!
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > Yes indeed, it's worth doing, but I would make this one suggestion.
If
> > the
> > > heater core is old, have it boiled out or replaced while you have it
> > apart,
> > > saving the aggravation of having to take it apart later.
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > Dale

Greg

I didn't use any gasket on the back of mine, I remember looking at the one
on the old one and thinking I should try and get that off and reuse it, but
I forgot, and everything turns fine, the most it might do is suck a little
air from engine bay, may run a bead around it, coarse my hole is withine a
1/16".

"griffin" <gryffy@DELTHISshaw.ca> wrote in message
news:W0q%c.331092$M95.47637@pd7tw1no...
> @#$@#!$ I'm glad you guys seemed to all have an easy time with this
....mine
> is being a bitchpig. Nothing as of yet has fit at all smoothly. I now have
5
> (yes, 5!) different modified gaskets I've created to try and fit this all
> together and still no luck. Like an idiot I threw out the old motor and I
> need that little seal off it because the fan gets stuck on the plastic
> housing and won't spin. I tried making a rubbery gasket piece in it's
place
> and it compresses too much when I bolt the assembly back on and it gets
> stuck again. So ya, now I'm going back out to modify my 5th gasket and
> create a 6th (sorta) silicon seal around the back of the blower motor on
the
> engine side to try and make a half-assed repair-job of the massive slices
> and chunks I tore out with a reciprocating saw. For anyone about to do
this
> mod ...stick with a jigsaw or build a template and use a holesaw. Recipro
> saw is NOT the way to go ;p
>
> *SIGH*!!!
>
> This 2 hour job is now a 2day job. It's a Jeep thing.
>
> On the plus side tho, that motor sure does blow air alot better and I
tested
> mine outside the assembly and it was actually starting to fail a bit (slow
> down, speed up, slow down, etc) so it'll be worth it when it hits -30.
>
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:413E0B02.7C92B5FE@sympatico.ca...
> > The stock one stretched fine over mine. I had to use a drop of silicone
> > on one spot because I was a little off with the new hole.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > griffin wrote:
> > >
> > > Hmm, ok. I actually just have it all apart now and am making a
template
> for
> > > the new blower motor to cut out. I did notice though that my new motor
> does
> > > not have a spongy seal around it like the stock one did ...is this
going
> to
> > > have any adverse effects? I was going to try and use the old one and
> simply
> > > enlarge the hole but there isn't enough material there to make it
work.
> Is
> > > it worth finding/buying one that will fit the new motor?
> > >
> > > Thanks!
> > >
> > > "Dale Beckett" <dale@NOT.com> wrote in message
> > > news:MPG.1ba65d5d1cff47a89896fc@news.east.earthlin k.net....
> > > > gryffy@DELTHISshaw.ca says...
> > > > > I'm actually about to do this upgrade today. I got the blower for
> $35CDN
> > > > > after tax at PartsSource. Is it worth doing? Any tips/hints? I'm
> putting
> > > it
> > > > > in an '85 CJ7. Thanks!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Yes indeed, it's worth doing, but I would make this one suggestion.
> If
> > > the
> > > > heater core is old, have it boiled out or replaced while you have it
> > > apart,
> > > > saving the aggravation of having to take it apart later.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > > Dale
>
>

Greg

I didn't use any gasket on the back of mine, I remember looking at the one
on the old one and thinking I should try and get that off and reuse it, but
I forgot, and everything turns fine, the most it might do is suck a little
air from engine bay, may run a bead around it, coarse my hole is withine a
1/16".

"griffin" <gryffy@DELTHISshaw.ca> wrote in message
news:W0q%c.331092$M95.47637@pd7tw1no...
> @#$@#!$ I'm glad you guys seemed to all have an easy time with this
....mine
> is being a bitchpig. Nothing as of yet has fit at all smoothly. I now have
5
> (yes, 5!) different modified gaskets I've created to try and fit this all
> together and still no luck. Like an idiot I threw out the old motor and I
> need that little seal off it because the fan gets stuck on the plastic
> housing and won't spin. I tried making a rubbery gasket piece in it's
place
> and it compresses too much when I bolt the assembly back on and it gets
> stuck again. So ya, now I'm going back out to modify my 5th gasket and
> create a 6th (sorta) silicon seal around the back of the blower motor on
the
> engine side to try and make a half-assed repair-job of the massive slices
> and chunks I tore out with a reciprocating saw. For anyone about to do
this
> mod ...stick with a jigsaw or build a template and use a holesaw. Recipro
> saw is NOT the way to go ;p
>
> *SIGH*!!!
>
> This 2 hour job is now a 2day job. It's a Jeep thing.
>
> On the plus side tho, that motor sure does blow air alot better and I
tested
> mine outside the assembly and it was actually starting to fail a bit (slow
> down, speed up, slow down, etc) so it'll be worth it when it hits -30.
>
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:413E0B02.7C92B5FE@sympatico.ca...
> > The stock one stretched fine over mine. I had to use a drop of silicone
> > on one spot because I was a little off with the new hole.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > griffin wrote:
> > >
> > > Hmm, ok. I actually just have it all apart now and am making a
template
> for
> > > the new blower motor to cut out. I did notice though that my new motor
> does
> > > not have a spongy seal around it like the stock one did ...is this
going
> to
> > > have any adverse effects? I was going to try and use the old one and
> simply
> > > enlarge the hole but there isn't enough material there to make it
work.
> Is
> > > it worth finding/buying one that will fit the new motor?
> > >
> > > Thanks!
> > >
> > > "Dale Beckett" <dale@NOT.com> wrote in message
> > > news:MPG.1ba65d5d1cff47a89896fc@news.east.earthlin k.net....
> > > > gryffy@DELTHISshaw.ca says...
> > > > > I'm actually about to do this upgrade today. I got the blower for
> $35CDN
> > > > > after tax at PartsSource. Is it worth doing? Any tips/hints? I'm
> putting
> > > it
> > > > > in an '85 CJ7. Thanks!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Yes indeed, it's worth doing, but I would make this one suggestion.
> If
> > > the
> > > > heater core is old, have it boiled out or replaced while you have it
> > > apart,
> > > > saving the aggravation of having to take it apart later.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > > Dale
>
>