JK CRD
06-17-2007, 11:42 PM
#31
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Re: JK CRD
<bcmogman416@aol.com> wrote in message
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> Matt,
>
> What you saw was indeed a European model Diesel Unlimited. That
> vehicle and a couple others are here for testing and are/were used for
> media launches.
Mogman, is it possible I am the one that spoke to you? I was in a blue TJ,
had my son with me, the driver of the JK was dropping his kid off at the
orthodontist...
I was just with those vehicles at a European Jeep
> vehicle launch held here in the United States. I do not work for
> Chrysler/Jeep but an independant logistics company that works with
> them. I myself am a Jeep JK owner and I have questioned will there be
> an United States diesel Wrangler? At this time and in any near future
> time? No. Those Jeeps even need their fuel shipped here from Europe as
> they run on a high octane fuel diesel not available here.
Do you mean "cetane," since higher octane prevents pre-ignition in gas
engines (i.e. "dieseling") and would defeat the purpose of the ignition
cycle of a diesel engine?
They do run
> very strong and have no trouble what's so ever accelerating. One of
> the problems is...most Americans just don't like diesels...period.
> They are unaware of the change these work horse engines have made.
> Some of the older drivers just can't let go of the terrible memories
> of the GM diesels (converted gas 350 cu. in. engines) of the late 70's
> and 80's. Too bad.
Time for the OEM's to stop singing that tune. It's silly to base their
marketing strategy on what happened thirty years ago, espcially with the
state of the art technology that exists right now. Screw the older drivers,
put the small diesels in cars with a younger clientele. If the US
manufacturers, heck even the foriegn manufacturers, expand the market for
modern diesels in the US, with gas prices what they are today I think they'd
be pleasantly surprised with the results.
If BMW brings its European diesels to the US I'll be the first in line at
the dealership.
I've driven the MBZ E320 cdi (BlueTec) and wouldn't
> even think of buying any other car in this catogory. It accelerates
> like a V/8 and is quiet and smokeless. And I have achieved 32 mpg in
> fast highway driving.
>
06-17-2007, 11:42 PM
#32
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Re: JK CRD
<bcmogman416@aol.com> wrote in message
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> Matt,
>
> What you saw was indeed a European model Diesel Unlimited. That
> vehicle and a couple others are here for testing and are/were used for
> media launches.
Mogman, is it possible I am the one that spoke to you? I was in a blue TJ,
had my son with me, the driver of the JK was dropping his kid off at the
orthodontist...
I was just with those vehicles at a European Jeep
> vehicle launch held here in the United States. I do not work for
> Chrysler/Jeep but an independant logistics company that works with
> them. I myself am a Jeep JK owner and I have questioned will there be
> an United States diesel Wrangler? At this time and in any near future
> time? No. Those Jeeps even need their fuel shipped here from Europe as
> they run on a high octane fuel diesel not available here.
Do you mean "cetane," since higher octane prevents pre-ignition in gas
engines (i.e. "dieseling") and would defeat the purpose of the ignition
cycle of a diesel engine?
They do run
> very strong and have no trouble what's so ever accelerating. One of
> the problems is...most Americans just don't like diesels...period.
> They are unaware of the change these work horse engines have made.
> Some of the older drivers just can't let go of the terrible memories
> of the GM diesels (converted gas 350 cu. in. engines) of the late 70's
> and 80's. Too bad.
Time for the OEM's to stop singing that tune. It's silly to base their
marketing strategy on what happened thirty years ago, espcially with the
state of the art technology that exists right now. Screw the older drivers,
put the small diesels in cars with a younger clientele. If the US
manufacturers, heck even the foriegn manufacturers, expand the market for
modern diesels in the US, with gas prices what they are today I think they'd
be pleasantly surprised with the results.
If BMW brings its European diesels to the US I'll be the first in line at
the dealership.
I've driven the MBZ E320 cdi (BlueTec) and wouldn't
> even think of buying any other car in this catogory. It accelerates
> like a V/8 and is quiet and smokeless. And I have achieved 32 mpg in
> fast highway driving.
>
06-17-2007, 11:42 PM
#33
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Re: JK CRD
<bcmogman416@aol.com> wrote in message
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> Matt,
>
> What you saw was indeed a European model Diesel Unlimited. That
> vehicle and a couple others are here for testing and are/were used for
> media launches.
Mogman, is it possible I am the one that spoke to you? I was in a blue TJ,
had my son with me, the driver of the JK was dropping his kid off at the
orthodontist...
I was just with those vehicles at a European Jeep
> vehicle launch held here in the United States. I do not work for
> Chrysler/Jeep but an independant logistics company that works with
> them. I myself am a Jeep JK owner and I have questioned will there be
> an United States diesel Wrangler? At this time and in any near future
> time? No. Those Jeeps even need their fuel shipped here from Europe as
> they run on a high octane fuel diesel not available here.
Do you mean "cetane," since higher octane prevents pre-ignition in gas
engines (i.e. "dieseling") and would defeat the purpose of the ignition
cycle of a diesel engine?
They do run
> very strong and have no trouble what's so ever accelerating. One of
> the problems is...most Americans just don't like diesels...period.
> They are unaware of the change these work horse engines have made.
> Some of the older drivers just can't let go of the terrible memories
> of the GM diesels (converted gas 350 cu. in. engines) of the late 70's
> and 80's. Too bad.
Time for the OEM's to stop singing that tune. It's silly to base their
marketing strategy on what happened thirty years ago, espcially with the
state of the art technology that exists right now. Screw the older drivers,
put the small diesels in cars with a younger clientele. If the US
manufacturers, heck even the foriegn manufacturers, expand the market for
modern diesels in the US, with gas prices what they are today I think they'd
be pleasantly surprised with the results.
If BMW brings its European diesels to the US I'll be the first in line at
the dealership.
I've driven the MBZ E320 cdi (BlueTec) and wouldn't
> even think of buying any other car in this catogory. It accelerates
> like a V/8 and is quiet and smokeless. And I have achieved 32 mpg in
> fast highway driving.
>
06-18-2007, 11:54 PM
#34
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Re: JK CRD
On Sun, 17 Jun 2007 23:42:00 -0400, "Matt Macchiarolo"
<matt@nospamplease.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
><bcmogman416@aol.com> wrote in message
>news:1182127317.409684.81360@z28g2000prd.googlegr oups.com...
>> Matt,
>>
>> What you saw was indeed a European model Diesel Unlimited. That
>> vehicle and a couple others are here for testing and are/were used for
>> media launches.
>
>Mogman, is it possible I am the one that spoke to you? I was in a blue TJ,
>had my son with me, the driver of the JK was dropping his kid off at the
>orthodontist...
>
>I was just with those vehicles at a European Jeep
>> vehicle launch held here in the United States. I do not work for
>> Chrysler/Jeep but an independant logistics company that works with
>> them. I myself am a Jeep JK owner and I have questioned will there be
>> an United States diesel Wrangler? At this time and in any near future
>> time? No. Those Jeeps even need their fuel shipped here from Europe as
>> they run on a high octane fuel diesel not available here.
>
>Do you mean "cetane," since higher octane prevents pre-ignition in gas
>engines (i.e. "dieseling") and would defeat the purpose of the ignition
>cycle of a diesel engine?
>
>They do run
>> very strong and have no trouble what's so ever accelerating. One of
>> the problems is...most Americans just don't like diesels...period.
>> They are unaware of the change these work horse engines have made.
>> Some of the older drivers just can't let go of the terrible memories
>> of the GM diesels (converted gas 350 cu. in. engines) of the late 70's
>> and 80's. Too bad.
>
> Time for the OEM's to stop singing that tune. It's silly to base their
>marketing strategy on what happened thirty years ago, espcially with the
>state of the art technology that exists right now. Screw the older drivers,
>put the small diesels in cars with a younger clientele. If the US
>manufacturers, heck even the foriegn manufacturers, expand the market for
>modern diesels in the US, with gas prices what they are today I think they'd
>be pleasantly surprised with the results.
>
>If BMW brings its European diesels to the US I'll be the first in line at
>the dealership.
>
>
>I've driven the MBZ E320 cdi (BlueTec) and wouldn't
>> even think of buying any other car in this catogory. It accelerates
>> like a V/8 and is quiet and smokeless. And I have achieved 32 mpg in
>> fast highway driving.
>>
>
I saw today that GM will introduce a 4.5L V8 rated at 310 HP and 520
lb-ft of torque for the GMT900 vehicles.... and that Nissan is going
to release an International V8 in the Titan pickups (I don't know
about Armada but is would fit of course)
I really hope that Chrysler gets their act together, they need a 3 to
3.5 liter V6 CRD and a 4.5 L V8 CRD and a good 2L I4 CRD. All with
competitive hp/L rating in the mid to upper 60's.
I have great hopes for clean diesel engines now that we have the low
sulfur fuel.
<matt@nospamplease.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
><bcmogman416@aol.com> wrote in message
>news:1182127317.409684.81360@z28g2000prd.googlegr oups.com...
>> Matt,
>>
>> What you saw was indeed a European model Diesel Unlimited. That
>> vehicle and a couple others are here for testing and are/were used for
>> media launches.
>
>Mogman, is it possible I am the one that spoke to you? I was in a blue TJ,
>had my son with me, the driver of the JK was dropping his kid off at the
>orthodontist...
>
>I was just with those vehicles at a European Jeep
>> vehicle launch held here in the United States. I do not work for
>> Chrysler/Jeep but an independant logistics company that works with
>> them. I myself am a Jeep JK owner and I have questioned will there be
>> an United States diesel Wrangler? At this time and in any near future
>> time? No. Those Jeeps even need their fuel shipped here from Europe as
>> they run on a high octane fuel diesel not available here.
>
>Do you mean "cetane," since higher octane prevents pre-ignition in gas
>engines (i.e. "dieseling") and would defeat the purpose of the ignition
>cycle of a diesel engine?
>
>They do run
>> very strong and have no trouble what's so ever accelerating. One of
>> the problems is...most Americans just don't like diesels...period.
>> They are unaware of the change these work horse engines have made.
>> Some of the older drivers just can't let go of the terrible memories
>> of the GM diesels (converted gas 350 cu. in. engines) of the late 70's
>> and 80's. Too bad.
>
> Time for the OEM's to stop singing that tune. It's silly to base their
>marketing strategy on what happened thirty years ago, espcially with the
>state of the art technology that exists right now. Screw the older drivers,
>put the small diesels in cars with a younger clientele. If the US
>manufacturers, heck even the foriegn manufacturers, expand the market for
>modern diesels in the US, with gas prices what they are today I think they'd
>be pleasantly surprised with the results.
>
>If BMW brings its European diesels to the US I'll be the first in line at
>the dealership.
>
>
>I've driven the MBZ E320 cdi (BlueTec) and wouldn't
>> even think of buying any other car in this catogory. It accelerates
>> like a V/8 and is quiet and smokeless. And I have achieved 32 mpg in
>> fast highway driving.
>>
>
I saw today that GM will introduce a 4.5L V8 rated at 310 HP and 520
lb-ft of torque for the GMT900 vehicles.... and that Nissan is going
to release an International V8 in the Titan pickups (I don't know
about Armada but is would fit of course)
I really hope that Chrysler gets their act together, they need a 3 to
3.5 liter V6 CRD and a 4.5 L V8 CRD and a good 2L I4 CRD. All with
competitive hp/L rating in the mid to upper 60's.
I have great hopes for clean diesel engines now that we have the low
sulfur fuel.
06-18-2007, 11:54 PM
#35
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Re: JK CRD
On Sun, 17 Jun 2007 23:42:00 -0400, "Matt Macchiarolo"
<matt@nospamplease.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
><bcmogman416@aol.com> wrote in message
>news:1182127317.409684.81360@z28g2000prd.googlegr oups.com...
>> Matt,
>>
>> What you saw was indeed a European model Diesel Unlimited. That
>> vehicle and a couple others are here for testing and are/were used for
>> media launches.
>
>Mogman, is it possible I am the one that spoke to you? I was in a blue TJ,
>had my son with me, the driver of the JK was dropping his kid off at the
>orthodontist...
>
>I was just with those vehicles at a European Jeep
>> vehicle launch held here in the United States. I do not work for
>> Chrysler/Jeep but an independant logistics company that works with
>> them. I myself am a Jeep JK owner and I have questioned will there be
>> an United States diesel Wrangler? At this time and in any near future
>> time? No. Those Jeeps even need their fuel shipped here from Europe as
>> they run on a high octane fuel diesel not available here.
>
>Do you mean "cetane," since higher octane prevents pre-ignition in gas
>engines (i.e. "dieseling") and would defeat the purpose of the ignition
>cycle of a diesel engine?
>
>They do run
>> very strong and have no trouble what's so ever accelerating. One of
>> the problems is...most Americans just don't like diesels...period.
>> They are unaware of the change these work horse engines have made.
>> Some of the older drivers just can't let go of the terrible memories
>> of the GM diesels (converted gas 350 cu. in. engines) of the late 70's
>> and 80's. Too bad.
>
> Time for the OEM's to stop singing that tune. It's silly to base their
>marketing strategy on what happened thirty years ago, espcially with the
>state of the art technology that exists right now. Screw the older drivers,
>put the small diesels in cars with a younger clientele. If the US
>manufacturers, heck even the foriegn manufacturers, expand the market for
>modern diesels in the US, with gas prices what they are today I think they'd
>be pleasantly surprised with the results.
>
>If BMW brings its European diesels to the US I'll be the first in line at
>the dealership.
>
>
>I've driven the MBZ E320 cdi (BlueTec) and wouldn't
>> even think of buying any other car in this catogory. It accelerates
>> like a V/8 and is quiet and smokeless. And I have achieved 32 mpg in
>> fast highway driving.
>>
>
I saw today that GM will introduce a 4.5L V8 rated at 310 HP and 520
lb-ft of torque for the GMT900 vehicles.... and that Nissan is going
to release an International V8 in the Titan pickups (I don't know
about Armada but is would fit of course)
I really hope that Chrysler gets their act together, they need a 3 to
3.5 liter V6 CRD and a 4.5 L V8 CRD and a good 2L I4 CRD. All with
competitive hp/L rating in the mid to upper 60's.
I have great hopes for clean diesel engines now that we have the low
sulfur fuel.
<matt@nospamplease.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
><bcmogman416@aol.com> wrote in message
>news:1182127317.409684.81360@z28g2000prd.googlegr oups.com...
>> Matt,
>>
>> What you saw was indeed a European model Diesel Unlimited. That
>> vehicle and a couple others are here for testing and are/were used for
>> media launches.
>
>Mogman, is it possible I am the one that spoke to you? I was in a blue TJ,
>had my son with me, the driver of the JK was dropping his kid off at the
>orthodontist...
>
>I was just with those vehicles at a European Jeep
>> vehicle launch held here in the United States. I do not work for
>> Chrysler/Jeep but an independant logistics company that works with
>> them. I myself am a Jeep JK owner and I have questioned will there be
>> an United States diesel Wrangler? At this time and in any near future
>> time? No. Those Jeeps even need their fuel shipped here from Europe as
>> they run on a high octane fuel diesel not available here.
>
>Do you mean "cetane," since higher octane prevents pre-ignition in gas
>engines (i.e. "dieseling") and would defeat the purpose of the ignition
>cycle of a diesel engine?
>
>They do run
>> very strong and have no trouble what's so ever accelerating. One of
>> the problems is...most Americans just don't like diesels...period.
>> They are unaware of the change these work horse engines have made.
>> Some of the older drivers just can't let go of the terrible memories
>> of the GM diesels (converted gas 350 cu. in. engines) of the late 70's
>> and 80's. Too bad.
>
> Time for the OEM's to stop singing that tune. It's silly to base their
>marketing strategy on what happened thirty years ago, espcially with the
>state of the art technology that exists right now. Screw the older drivers,
>put the small diesels in cars with a younger clientele. If the US
>manufacturers, heck even the foriegn manufacturers, expand the market for
>modern diesels in the US, with gas prices what they are today I think they'd
>be pleasantly surprised with the results.
>
>If BMW brings its European diesels to the US I'll be the first in line at
>the dealership.
>
>
>I've driven the MBZ E320 cdi (BlueTec) and wouldn't
>> even think of buying any other car in this catogory. It accelerates
>> like a V/8 and is quiet and smokeless. And I have achieved 32 mpg in
>> fast highway driving.
>>
>
I saw today that GM will introduce a 4.5L V8 rated at 310 HP and 520
lb-ft of torque for the GMT900 vehicles.... and that Nissan is going
to release an International V8 in the Titan pickups (I don't know
about Armada but is would fit of course)
I really hope that Chrysler gets their act together, they need a 3 to
3.5 liter V6 CRD and a 4.5 L V8 CRD and a good 2L I4 CRD. All with
competitive hp/L rating in the mid to upper 60's.
I have great hopes for clean diesel engines now that we have the low
sulfur fuel.
06-18-2007, 11:54 PM
#36
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Posts: n/a
Re: JK CRD
On Sun, 17 Jun 2007 23:42:00 -0400, "Matt Macchiarolo"
<matt@nospamplease.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
><bcmogman416@aol.com> wrote in message
>news:1182127317.409684.81360@z28g2000prd.googlegr oups.com...
>> Matt,
>>
>> What you saw was indeed a European model Diesel Unlimited. That
>> vehicle and a couple others are here for testing and are/were used for
>> media launches.
>
>Mogman, is it possible I am the one that spoke to you? I was in a blue TJ,
>had my son with me, the driver of the JK was dropping his kid off at the
>orthodontist...
>
>I was just with those vehicles at a European Jeep
>> vehicle launch held here in the United States. I do not work for
>> Chrysler/Jeep but an independant logistics company that works with
>> them. I myself am a Jeep JK owner and I have questioned will there be
>> an United States diesel Wrangler? At this time and in any near future
>> time? No. Those Jeeps even need their fuel shipped here from Europe as
>> they run on a high octane fuel diesel not available here.
>
>Do you mean "cetane," since higher octane prevents pre-ignition in gas
>engines (i.e. "dieseling") and would defeat the purpose of the ignition
>cycle of a diesel engine?
>
>They do run
>> very strong and have no trouble what's so ever accelerating. One of
>> the problems is...most Americans just don't like diesels...period.
>> They are unaware of the change these work horse engines have made.
>> Some of the older drivers just can't let go of the terrible memories
>> of the GM diesels (converted gas 350 cu. in. engines) of the late 70's
>> and 80's. Too bad.
>
> Time for the OEM's to stop singing that tune. It's silly to base their
>marketing strategy on what happened thirty years ago, espcially with the
>state of the art technology that exists right now. Screw the older drivers,
>put the small diesels in cars with a younger clientele. If the US
>manufacturers, heck even the foriegn manufacturers, expand the market for
>modern diesels in the US, with gas prices what they are today I think they'd
>be pleasantly surprised with the results.
>
>If BMW brings its European diesels to the US I'll be the first in line at
>the dealership.
>
>
>I've driven the MBZ E320 cdi (BlueTec) and wouldn't
>> even think of buying any other car in this catogory. It accelerates
>> like a V/8 and is quiet and smokeless. And I have achieved 32 mpg in
>> fast highway driving.
>>
>
I saw today that GM will introduce a 4.5L V8 rated at 310 HP and 520
lb-ft of torque for the GMT900 vehicles.... and that Nissan is going
to release an International V8 in the Titan pickups (I don't know
about Armada but is would fit of course)
I really hope that Chrysler gets their act together, they need a 3 to
3.5 liter V6 CRD and a 4.5 L V8 CRD and a good 2L I4 CRD. All with
competitive hp/L rating in the mid to upper 60's.
I have great hopes for clean diesel engines now that we have the low
sulfur fuel.
<matt@nospamplease.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
><bcmogman416@aol.com> wrote in message
>news:1182127317.409684.81360@z28g2000prd.googlegr oups.com...
>> Matt,
>>
>> What you saw was indeed a European model Diesel Unlimited. That
>> vehicle and a couple others are here for testing and are/were used for
>> media launches.
>
>Mogman, is it possible I am the one that spoke to you? I was in a blue TJ,
>had my son with me, the driver of the JK was dropping his kid off at the
>orthodontist...
>
>I was just with those vehicles at a European Jeep
>> vehicle launch held here in the United States. I do not work for
>> Chrysler/Jeep but an independant logistics company that works with
>> them. I myself am a Jeep JK owner and I have questioned will there be
>> an United States diesel Wrangler? At this time and in any near future
>> time? No. Those Jeeps even need their fuel shipped here from Europe as
>> they run on a high octane fuel diesel not available here.
>
>Do you mean "cetane," since higher octane prevents pre-ignition in gas
>engines (i.e. "dieseling") and would defeat the purpose of the ignition
>cycle of a diesel engine?
>
>They do run
>> very strong and have no trouble what's so ever accelerating. One of
>> the problems is...most Americans just don't like diesels...period.
>> They are unaware of the change these work horse engines have made.
>> Some of the older drivers just can't let go of the terrible memories
>> of the GM diesels (converted gas 350 cu. in. engines) of the late 70's
>> and 80's. Too bad.
>
> Time for the OEM's to stop singing that tune. It's silly to base their
>marketing strategy on what happened thirty years ago, espcially with the
>state of the art technology that exists right now. Screw the older drivers,
>put the small diesels in cars with a younger clientele. If the US
>manufacturers, heck even the foriegn manufacturers, expand the market for
>modern diesels in the US, with gas prices what they are today I think they'd
>be pleasantly surprised with the results.
>
>If BMW brings its European diesels to the US I'll be the first in line at
>the dealership.
>
>
>I've driven the MBZ E320 cdi (BlueTec) and wouldn't
>> even think of buying any other car in this catogory. It accelerates
>> like a V/8 and is quiet and smokeless. And I have achieved 32 mpg in
>> fast highway driving.
>>
>
I saw today that GM will introduce a 4.5L V8 rated at 310 HP and 520
lb-ft of torque for the GMT900 vehicles.... and that Nissan is going
to release an International V8 in the Titan pickups (I don't know
about Armada but is would fit of course)
I really hope that Chrysler gets their act together, they need a 3 to
3.5 liter V6 CRD and a 4.5 L V8 CRD and a good 2L I4 CRD. All with
competitive hp/L rating in the mid to upper 60's.
I have great hopes for clean diesel engines now that we have the low
sulfur fuel.
06-18-2007, 11:54 PM
#37
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Re: JK CRD
On Sun, 17 Jun 2007 23:42:00 -0400, "Matt Macchiarolo"
<matt@nospamplease.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
><bcmogman416@aol.com> wrote in message
>news:1182127317.409684.81360@z28g2000prd.googlegr oups.com...
>> Matt,
>>
>> What you saw was indeed a European model Diesel Unlimited. That
>> vehicle and a couple others are here for testing and are/were used for
>> media launches.
>
>Mogman, is it possible I am the one that spoke to you? I was in a blue TJ,
>had my son with me, the driver of the JK was dropping his kid off at the
>orthodontist...
>
>I was just with those vehicles at a European Jeep
>> vehicle launch held here in the United States. I do not work for
>> Chrysler/Jeep but an independant logistics company that works with
>> them. I myself am a Jeep JK owner and I have questioned will there be
>> an United States diesel Wrangler? At this time and in any near future
>> time? No. Those Jeeps even need their fuel shipped here from Europe as
>> they run on a high octane fuel diesel not available here.
>
>Do you mean "cetane," since higher octane prevents pre-ignition in gas
>engines (i.e. "dieseling") and would defeat the purpose of the ignition
>cycle of a diesel engine?
>
>They do run
>> very strong and have no trouble what's so ever accelerating. One of
>> the problems is...most Americans just don't like diesels...period.
>> They are unaware of the change these work horse engines have made.
>> Some of the older drivers just can't let go of the terrible memories
>> of the GM diesels (converted gas 350 cu. in. engines) of the late 70's
>> and 80's. Too bad.
>
> Time for the OEM's to stop singing that tune. It's silly to base their
>marketing strategy on what happened thirty years ago, espcially with the
>state of the art technology that exists right now. Screw the older drivers,
>put the small diesels in cars with a younger clientele. If the US
>manufacturers, heck even the foriegn manufacturers, expand the market for
>modern diesels in the US, with gas prices what they are today I think they'd
>be pleasantly surprised with the results.
>
>If BMW brings its European diesels to the US I'll be the first in line at
>the dealership.
>
>
>I've driven the MBZ E320 cdi (BlueTec) and wouldn't
>> even think of buying any other car in this catogory. It accelerates
>> like a V/8 and is quiet and smokeless. And I have achieved 32 mpg in
>> fast highway driving.
>>
>
I saw today that GM will introduce a 4.5L V8 rated at 310 HP and 520
lb-ft of torque for the GMT900 vehicles.... and that Nissan is going
to release an International V8 in the Titan pickups (I don't know
about Armada but is would fit of course)
I really hope that Chrysler gets their act together, they need a 3 to
3.5 liter V6 CRD and a 4.5 L V8 CRD and a good 2L I4 CRD. All with
competitive hp/L rating in the mid to upper 60's.
I have great hopes for clean diesel engines now that we have the low
sulfur fuel.
<matt@nospamplease.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
><bcmogman416@aol.com> wrote in message
>news:1182127317.409684.81360@z28g2000prd.googlegr oups.com...
>> Matt,
>>
>> What you saw was indeed a European model Diesel Unlimited. That
>> vehicle and a couple others are here for testing and are/were used for
>> media launches.
>
>Mogman, is it possible I am the one that spoke to you? I was in a blue TJ,
>had my son with me, the driver of the JK was dropping his kid off at the
>orthodontist...
>
>I was just with those vehicles at a European Jeep
>> vehicle launch held here in the United States. I do not work for
>> Chrysler/Jeep but an independant logistics company that works with
>> them. I myself am a Jeep JK owner and I have questioned will there be
>> an United States diesel Wrangler? At this time and in any near future
>> time? No. Those Jeeps even need their fuel shipped here from Europe as
>> they run on a high octane fuel diesel not available here.
>
>Do you mean "cetane," since higher octane prevents pre-ignition in gas
>engines (i.e. "dieseling") and would defeat the purpose of the ignition
>cycle of a diesel engine?
>
>They do run
>> very strong and have no trouble what's so ever accelerating. One of
>> the problems is...most Americans just don't like diesels...period.
>> They are unaware of the change these work horse engines have made.
>> Some of the older drivers just can't let go of the terrible memories
>> of the GM diesels (converted gas 350 cu. in. engines) of the late 70's
>> and 80's. Too bad.
>
> Time for the OEM's to stop singing that tune. It's silly to base their
>marketing strategy on what happened thirty years ago, espcially with the
>state of the art technology that exists right now. Screw the older drivers,
>put the small diesels in cars with a younger clientele. If the US
>manufacturers, heck even the foriegn manufacturers, expand the market for
>modern diesels in the US, with gas prices what they are today I think they'd
>be pleasantly surprised with the results.
>
>If BMW brings its European diesels to the US I'll be the first in line at
>the dealership.
>
>
>I've driven the MBZ E320 cdi (BlueTec) and wouldn't
>> even think of buying any other car in this catogory. It accelerates
>> like a V/8 and is quiet and smokeless. And I have achieved 32 mpg in
>> fast highway driving.
>>
>
I saw today that GM will introduce a 4.5L V8 rated at 310 HP and 520
lb-ft of torque for the GMT900 vehicles.... and that Nissan is going
to release an International V8 in the Titan pickups (I don't know
about Armada but is would fit of course)
I really hope that Chrysler gets their act together, they need a 3 to
3.5 liter V6 CRD and a 4.5 L V8 CRD and a good 2L I4 CRD. All with
competitive hp/L rating in the mid to upper 60's.
I have great hopes for clean diesel engines now that we have the low
sulfur fuel.
06-19-2007, 06:07 AM
#38
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: JK CRD
On Jun 17, 8:42?pm, "Matt Macchiarolo" <m...@nospamplease.com> wrote:
> <bcmogman...@aol.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1182127317.409684.81360@z28g2000prd.googlegro ups.com...
>
> > Matt,
>
> > What you saw was indeed a European model Diesel Unlimited. That
> > vehicle and a couple others are here for testing and are/were used for
> > media launches.
>
> Mogman, is it possible I am the one that spoke to you? I was in a blue TJ,
> had my son with me, the driver of the JK was dropping his kid off at the
> orthodontist...
>
> I was just with those vehicles at a European Jeep
>
> > vehicle launch held here in the United States. I do not work for
> > Chrysler/Jeep but an independant logistics company that works with
> > them. I myself am a Jeep JK owner and I have questioned will there be
> > an United States diesel Wrangler? At this time and in any near future
> > time? No. Those Jeeps even need their fuel shipped here from Europe as
> > they run on a high octane fuel diesel not available here.
>
> Do you mean "cetane," since higher octane prevents pre-ignition in gas
> engines (i.e. "dieseling") and would defeat the purpose of the ignition
> cycle of a diesel engine?
>
> They do run
>
> > very strong and have no trouble what's so ever accelerating. One of
> > the problems is...most Americans just don't like diesels...period.
> > They are unaware of the change these work horse engines have made.
> > Some of the older drivers just can't let go of the terrible memories
> > of the GM diesels (converted gas 350 cu. in. engines) of the late 70's
> > and 80's. Too bad.
>
> Time for the OEM's to stop singing that tune. It's silly to base their
> marketing strategy on what happened thirty years ago, espcially with the
> state of the art technology that exists right now. Screw the older drivers,
> put the small diesels in cars with a younger clientele. If the US
> manufacturers, heck even the foriegn manufacturers, expand the market for
> modern diesels in the US, with gas prices what they are today I think they'd
> be pleasantly surprised with the results.
> Matt,
No, I was not the person you spoke with. My location with those Jeeps
was quite far from where you mentioned before. Those Jeeps will either
be headed back to Europe soon or crushed if they are pre-production
test vehicles.
The BMW diesels are coming to the U.S. in about a year or so. I drove
a X5 and 3 Series sedan about 2 months ago at a diesel media seminar.
The BMW rep said that they were going to import them. Look also for
Chrysler to bring out diesels in some of they're car lineup. Chrysler
300C for one is ready to go.
> If BMW brings its European diesels to the US I'll be the first in line at
> the dealership.
>
> I've driven the MBZ E320 cdi (BlueTec) and wouldn't
>
>
>
> > even think of buying any other car in this catogory. It accelerates
> > like a V/8 and is quiet and smokeless. And I have achieved 32 mpg in
> > fast highway driving.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
> <bcmogman...@aol.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1182127317.409684.81360@z28g2000prd.googlegro ups.com...
>
> > Matt,
>
> > What you saw was indeed a European model Diesel Unlimited. That
> > vehicle and a couple others are here for testing and are/were used for
> > media launches.
>
> Mogman, is it possible I am the one that spoke to you? I was in a blue TJ,
> had my son with me, the driver of the JK was dropping his kid off at the
> orthodontist...
>
> I was just with those vehicles at a European Jeep
>
> > vehicle launch held here in the United States. I do not work for
> > Chrysler/Jeep but an independant logistics company that works with
> > them. I myself am a Jeep JK owner and I have questioned will there be
> > an United States diesel Wrangler? At this time and in any near future
> > time? No. Those Jeeps even need their fuel shipped here from Europe as
> > they run on a high octane fuel diesel not available here.
>
> Do you mean "cetane," since higher octane prevents pre-ignition in gas
> engines (i.e. "dieseling") and would defeat the purpose of the ignition
> cycle of a diesel engine?
>
> They do run
>
> > very strong and have no trouble what's so ever accelerating. One of
> > the problems is...most Americans just don't like diesels...period.
> > They are unaware of the change these work horse engines have made.
> > Some of the older drivers just can't let go of the terrible memories
> > of the GM diesels (converted gas 350 cu. in. engines) of the late 70's
> > and 80's. Too bad.
>
> Time for the OEM's to stop singing that tune. It's silly to base their
> marketing strategy on what happened thirty years ago, espcially with the
> state of the art technology that exists right now. Screw the older drivers,
> put the small diesels in cars with a younger clientele. If the US
> manufacturers, heck even the foriegn manufacturers, expand the market for
> modern diesels in the US, with gas prices what they are today I think they'd
> be pleasantly surprised with the results.
> Matt,
No, I was not the person you spoke with. My location with those Jeeps
was quite far from where you mentioned before. Those Jeeps will either
be headed back to Europe soon or crushed if they are pre-production
test vehicles.
The BMW diesels are coming to the U.S. in about a year or so. I drove
a X5 and 3 Series sedan about 2 months ago at a diesel media seminar.
The BMW rep said that they were going to import them. Look also for
Chrysler to bring out diesels in some of they're car lineup. Chrysler
300C for one is ready to go.
> If BMW brings its European diesels to the US I'll be the first in line at
> the dealership.
>
> I've driven the MBZ E320 cdi (BlueTec) and wouldn't
>
>
>
> > even think of buying any other car in this catogory. It accelerates
> > like a V/8 and is quiet and smokeless. And I have achieved 32 mpg in
> > fast highway driving.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
06-19-2007, 06:07 AM
#39
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: JK CRD
On Jun 17, 8:42?pm, "Matt Macchiarolo" <m...@nospamplease.com> wrote:
> <bcmogman...@aol.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1182127317.409684.81360@z28g2000prd.googlegro ups.com...
>
> > Matt,
>
> > What you saw was indeed a European model Diesel Unlimited. That
> > vehicle and a couple others are here for testing and are/were used for
> > media launches.
>
> Mogman, is it possible I am the one that spoke to you? I was in a blue TJ,
> had my son with me, the driver of the JK was dropping his kid off at the
> orthodontist...
>
> I was just with those vehicles at a European Jeep
>
> > vehicle launch held here in the United States. I do not work for
> > Chrysler/Jeep but an independant logistics company that works with
> > them. I myself am a Jeep JK owner and I have questioned will there be
> > an United States diesel Wrangler? At this time and in any near future
> > time? No. Those Jeeps even need their fuel shipped here from Europe as
> > they run on a high octane fuel diesel not available here.
>
> Do you mean "cetane," since higher octane prevents pre-ignition in gas
> engines (i.e. "dieseling") and would defeat the purpose of the ignition
> cycle of a diesel engine?
>
> They do run
>
> > very strong and have no trouble what's so ever accelerating. One of
> > the problems is...most Americans just don't like diesels...period.
> > They are unaware of the change these work horse engines have made.
> > Some of the older drivers just can't let go of the terrible memories
> > of the GM diesels (converted gas 350 cu. in. engines) of the late 70's
> > and 80's. Too bad.
>
> Time for the OEM's to stop singing that tune. It's silly to base their
> marketing strategy on what happened thirty years ago, espcially with the
> state of the art technology that exists right now. Screw the older drivers,
> put the small diesels in cars with a younger clientele. If the US
> manufacturers, heck even the foriegn manufacturers, expand the market for
> modern diesels in the US, with gas prices what they are today I think they'd
> be pleasantly surprised with the results.
> Matt,
No, I was not the person you spoke with. My location with those Jeeps
was quite far from where you mentioned before. Those Jeeps will either
be headed back to Europe soon or crushed if they are pre-production
test vehicles.
The BMW diesels are coming to the U.S. in about a year or so. I drove
a X5 and 3 Series sedan about 2 months ago at a diesel media seminar.
The BMW rep said that they were going to import them. Look also for
Chrysler to bring out diesels in some of they're car lineup. Chrysler
300C for one is ready to go.
> If BMW brings its European diesels to the US I'll be the first in line at
> the dealership.
>
> I've driven the MBZ E320 cdi (BlueTec) and wouldn't
>
>
>
> > even think of buying any other car in this catogory. It accelerates
> > like a V/8 and is quiet and smokeless. And I have achieved 32 mpg in
> > fast highway driving.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
> <bcmogman...@aol.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1182127317.409684.81360@z28g2000prd.googlegro ups.com...
>
> > Matt,
>
> > What you saw was indeed a European model Diesel Unlimited. That
> > vehicle and a couple others are here for testing and are/were used for
> > media launches.
>
> Mogman, is it possible I am the one that spoke to you? I was in a blue TJ,
> had my son with me, the driver of the JK was dropping his kid off at the
> orthodontist...
>
> I was just with those vehicles at a European Jeep
>
> > vehicle launch held here in the United States. I do not work for
> > Chrysler/Jeep but an independant logistics company that works with
> > them. I myself am a Jeep JK owner and I have questioned will there be
> > an United States diesel Wrangler? At this time and in any near future
> > time? No. Those Jeeps even need their fuel shipped here from Europe as
> > they run on a high octane fuel diesel not available here.
>
> Do you mean "cetane," since higher octane prevents pre-ignition in gas
> engines (i.e. "dieseling") and would defeat the purpose of the ignition
> cycle of a diesel engine?
>
> They do run
>
> > very strong and have no trouble what's so ever accelerating. One of
> > the problems is...most Americans just don't like diesels...period.
> > They are unaware of the change these work horse engines have made.
> > Some of the older drivers just can't let go of the terrible memories
> > of the GM diesels (converted gas 350 cu. in. engines) of the late 70's
> > and 80's. Too bad.
>
> Time for the OEM's to stop singing that tune. It's silly to base their
> marketing strategy on what happened thirty years ago, espcially with the
> state of the art technology that exists right now. Screw the older drivers,
> put the small diesels in cars with a younger clientele. If the US
> manufacturers, heck even the foriegn manufacturers, expand the market for
> modern diesels in the US, with gas prices what they are today I think they'd
> be pleasantly surprised with the results.
> Matt,
No, I was not the person you spoke with. My location with those Jeeps
was quite far from where you mentioned before. Those Jeeps will either
be headed back to Europe soon or crushed if they are pre-production
test vehicles.
The BMW diesels are coming to the U.S. in about a year or so. I drove
a X5 and 3 Series sedan about 2 months ago at a diesel media seminar.
The BMW rep said that they were going to import them. Look also for
Chrysler to bring out diesels in some of they're car lineup. Chrysler
300C for one is ready to go.
> If BMW brings its European diesels to the US I'll be the first in line at
> the dealership.
>
> I've driven the MBZ E320 cdi (BlueTec) and wouldn't
>
>
>
> > even think of buying any other car in this catogory. It accelerates
> > like a V/8 and is quiet and smokeless. And I have achieved 32 mpg in
> > fast highway driving.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
06-19-2007, 06:07 AM
#40
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: JK CRD
On Jun 17, 8:42?pm, "Matt Macchiarolo" <m...@nospamplease.com> wrote:
> <bcmogman...@aol.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1182127317.409684.81360@z28g2000prd.googlegro ups.com...
>
> > Matt,
>
> > What you saw was indeed a European model Diesel Unlimited. That
> > vehicle and a couple others are here for testing and are/were used for
> > media launches.
>
> Mogman, is it possible I am the one that spoke to you? I was in a blue TJ,
> had my son with me, the driver of the JK was dropping his kid off at the
> orthodontist...
>
> I was just with those vehicles at a European Jeep
>
> > vehicle launch held here in the United States. I do not work for
> > Chrysler/Jeep but an independant logistics company that works with
> > them. I myself am a Jeep JK owner and I have questioned will there be
> > an United States diesel Wrangler? At this time and in any near future
> > time? No. Those Jeeps even need their fuel shipped here from Europe as
> > they run on a high octane fuel diesel not available here.
>
> Do you mean "cetane," since higher octane prevents pre-ignition in gas
> engines (i.e. "dieseling") and would defeat the purpose of the ignition
> cycle of a diesel engine?
>
> They do run
>
> > very strong and have no trouble what's so ever accelerating. One of
> > the problems is...most Americans just don't like diesels...period.
> > They are unaware of the change these work horse engines have made.
> > Some of the older drivers just can't let go of the terrible memories
> > of the GM diesels (converted gas 350 cu. in. engines) of the late 70's
> > and 80's. Too bad.
>
> Time for the OEM's to stop singing that tune. It's silly to base their
> marketing strategy on what happened thirty years ago, espcially with the
> state of the art technology that exists right now. Screw the older drivers,
> put the small diesels in cars with a younger clientele. If the US
> manufacturers, heck even the foriegn manufacturers, expand the market for
> modern diesels in the US, with gas prices what they are today I think they'd
> be pleasantly surprised with the results.
> Matt,
No, I was not the person you spoke with. My location with those Jeeps
was quite far from where you mentioned before. Those Jeeps will either
be headed back to Europe soon or crushed if they are pre-production
test vehicles.
The BMW diesels are coming to the U.S. in about a year or so. I drove
a X5 and 3 Series sedan about 2 months ago at a diesel media seminar.
The BMW rep said that they were going to import them. Look also for
Chrysler to bring out diesels in some of they're car lineup. Chrysler
300C for one is ready to go.
> If BMW brings its European diesels to the US I'll be the first in line at
> the dealership.
>
> I've driven the MBZ E320 cdi (BlueTec) and wouldn't
>
>
>
> > even think of buying any other car in this catogory. It accelerates
> > like a V/8 and is quiet and smokeless. And I have achieved 32 mpg in
> > fast highway driving.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
> <bcmogman...@aol.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1182127317.409684.81360@z28g2000prd.googlegro ups.com...
>
> > Matt,
>
> > What you saw was indeed a European model Diesel Unlimited. That
> > vehicle and a couple others are here for testing and are/were used for
> > media launches.
>
> Mogman, is it possible I am the one that spoke to you? I was in a blue TJ,
> had my son with me, the driver of the JK was dropping his kid off at the
> orthodontist...
>
> I was just with those vehicles at a European Jeep
>
> > vehicle launch held here in the United States. I do not work for
> > Chrysler/Jeep but an independant logistics company that works with
> > them. I myself am a Jeep JK owner and I have questioned will there be
> > an United States diesel Wrangler? At this time and in any near future
> > time? No. Those Jeeps even need their fuel shipped here from Europe as
> > they run on a high octane fuel diesel not available here.
>
> Do you mean "cetane," since higher octane prevents pre-ignition in gas
> engines (i.e. "dieseling") and would defeat the purpose of the ignition
> cycle of a diesel engine?
>
> They do run
>
> > very strong and have no trouble what's so ever accelerating. One of
> > the problems is...most Americans just don't like diesels...period.
> > They are unaware of the change these work horse engines have made.
> > Some of the older drivers just can't let go of the terrible memories
> > of the GM diesels (converted gas 350 cu. in. engines) of the late 70's
> > and 80's. Too bad.
>
> Time for the OEM's to stop singing that tune. It's silly to base their
> marketing strategy on what happened thirty years ago, espcially with the
> state of the art technology that exists right now. Screw the older drivers,
> put the small diesels in cars with a younger clientele. If the US
> manufacturers, heck even the foriegn manufacturers, expand the market for
> modern diesels in the US, with gas prices what they are today I think they'd
> be pleasantly surprised with the results.
> Matt,
No, I was not the person you spoke with. My location with those Jeeps
was quite far from where you mentioned before. Those Jeeps will either
be headed back to Europe soon or crushed if they are pre-production
test vehicles.
The BMW diesels are coming to the U.S. in about a year or so. I drove
a X5 and 3 Series sedan about 2 months ago at a diesel media seminar.
The BMW rep said that they were going to import them. Look also for
Chrysler to bring out diesels in some of they're car lineup. Chrysler
300C for one is ready to go.
> If BMW brings its European diesels to the US I'll be the first in line at
> the dealership.
>
> I've driven the MBZ E320 cdi (BlueTec) and wouldn't
>
>
>
> > even think of buying any other car in this catogory. It accelerates
> > like a V/8 and is quiet and smokeless. And I have achieved 32 mpg in
> > fast highway driving.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
