David C. Moller

The part about performance mods like these that I've never understood
is, if they are such a good idea, and add such a noticeable
improvement, why don't they come standard (or at least optional)? With
the automotive competition out there, one would think the manufacturer
would want to take advantage of these minor mods to reap the benefits.

Dave
http://mysite.verizon.net/res0p2es/david/index.htm

On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 08:40:58 -0500, "TJim" <jim@ranlet.nospam.com>
wrote:

>Eric,
>How did you do your cold air intake? Why do you refer to letting "crud" in?
>I fabbed a "cowl snorkel" or "cold air induction" intake for my TJ SE. It
>made a significant improvement on the highway. I also installed a 4.0L TB
>and that helped, too.
>My "CAI" pipes the air from the cowl box into the stock air filter box. I
>get the colder air and take advantage of the higher pressure area under the
>windshield to effectively increase the max manifold pressure available. The
>stronger the headwind, the more power it adds. :-) It also gives me some
>additional protection against ingesting water during a deep crossing (like
>water half way up the hood).
>
>--
>Jim

Eric

Maybe they let too much crud in using cloth filters instead of paper
filters. Who knows. Maybe they're just cheap. Have any of the new
"motorsports" types (i.e. NISMO -- Nissan Motorsports --, Subaru, Toyota,
Honda, etc) offered cold air intakes as add-ons. I'm sure they have, or
will.

As for a bigger throttle body, there probably isn't enough people wanting it
to justify selling it. Again, big corporations, who knows.

Eric
"David C. Moller" <dmoller@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:ssd0vvcd6irl61snuk4o85qs1dm49tqv9d@4ax.com...
> The part about performance mods like these that I've never understood
> is, if they are such a good idea, and add such a noticeable
> improvement, why don't they come standard (or at least optional)? With
> the automotive competition out there, one would think the manufacturer
> would want to take advantage of these minor mods to reap the benefits.
>
> Dave
> http://mysite.verizon.net/res0p2es/david/index.htm
>
> On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 08:40:58 -0500, "TJim" <jim@ranlet.nospam.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Eric,
> >How did you do your cold air intake? Why do you refer to letting "crud"
in?
> >I fabbed a "cowl snorkel" or "cold air induction" intake for my TJ SE.
It
> >made a significant improvement on the highway. I also installed a 4.0L
TB
> >and that helped, too.
> >My "CAI" pipes the air from the cowl box into the stock air filter box.
I
> >get the colder air and take advantage of the higher pressure area under
the
> >windshield to effectively increase the max manifold pressure available.
The
> >stronger the headwind, the more power it adds. :-) It also gives me
some
> >additional protection against ingesting water during a deep crossing
(like
> >water half way up the hood).
> >
> >--
> >Jim
>

Eric

Maybe they let too much crud in using cloth filters instead of paper
filters. Who knows. Maybe they're just cheap. Have any of the new
"motorsports" types (i.e. NISMO -- Nissan Motorsports --, Subaru, Toyota,
Honda, etc) offered cold air intakes as add-ons. I'm sure they have, or
will.

As for a bigger throttle body, there probably isn't enough people wanting it
to justify selling it. Again, big corporations, who knows.

Eric
"David C. Moller" <dmoller@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:ssd0vvcd6irl61snuk4o85qs1dm49tqv9d@4ax.com...
> The part about performance mods like these that I've never understood
> is, if they are such a good idea, and add such a noticeable
> improvement, why don't they come standard (or at least optional)? With
> the automotive competition out there, one would think the manufacturer
> would want to take advantage of these minor mods to reap the benefits.
>
> Dave
> http://mysite.verizon.net/res0p2es/david/index.htm
>
> On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 08:40:58 -0500, "TJim" <jim@ranlet.nospam.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Eric,
> >How did you do your cold air intake? Why do you refer to letting "crud"
in?
> >I fabbed a "cowl snorkel" or "cold air induction" intake for my TJ SE.
It
> >made a significant improvement on the highway. I also installed a 4.0L
TB
> >and that helped, too.
> >My "CAI" pipes the air from the cowl box into the stock air filter box.
I
> >get the colder air and take advantage of the higher pressure area under
the
> >windshield to effectively increase the max manifold pressure available.
The
> >stronger the headwind, the more power it adds. :-) It also gives me
some
> >additional protection against ingesting water during a deep crossing
(like
> >water half way up the hood).
> >
> >--
> >Jim
>

Eric

Maybe they let too much crud in using cloth filters instead of paper
filters. Who knows. Maybe they're just cheap. Have any of the new
"motorsports" types (i.e. NISMO -- Nissan Motorsports --, Subaru, Toyota,
Honda, etc) offered cold air intakes as add-ons. I'm sure they have, or
will.

As for a bigger throttle body, there probably isn't enough people wanting it
to justify selling it. Again, big corporations, who knows.

Eric
"David C. Moller" <dmoller@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:ssd0vvcd6irl61snuk4o85qs1dm49tqv9d@4ax.com...
> The part about performance mods like these that I've never understood
> is, if they are such a good idea, and add such a noticeable
> improvement, why don't they come standard (or at least optional)? With
> the automotive competition out there, one would think the manufacturer
> would want to take advantage of these minor mods to reap the benefits.
>
> Dave
> http://mysite.verizon.net/res0p2es/david/index.htm
>
> On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 08:40:58 -0500, "TJim" <jim@ranlet.nospam.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Eric,
> >How did you do your cold air intake? Why do you refer to letting "crud"
in?
> >I fabbed a "cowl snorkel" or "cold air induction" intake for my TJ SE.
It
> >made a significant improvement on the highway. I also installed a 4.0L
TB
> >and that helped, too.
> >My "CAI" pipes the air from the cowl box into the stock air filter box.
I
> >get the colder air and take advantage of the higher pressure area under
the
> >windshield to effectively increase the max manifold pressure available.
The
> >stronger the headwind, the more power it adds. :-) It also gives me
some
> >additional protection against ingesting water during a deep crossing
(like
> >water half way up the hood).
> >
> >--
> >Jim
>

Eric

Mine is actually just a cone filter setup from AirAid.
http://www.airaid.com/310-110_jeep.asp

Eric
99 TJ SE
"TJim" <jim@ranlet.nospam.com> wrote in message
news:xOydnXlx_u9zs22iRVn-vA@comcast.com...
> Eric,
> How did you do your cold air intake? Why do you refer to letting "crud"
in?
> I fabbed a "cowl snorkel" or "cold air induction" intake for my TJ SE. It
> made a significant improvement on the highway. I also installed a 4.0L TB
> and that helped, too.
> My "CAI" pipes the air from the cowl box into the stock air filter box. I
> get the colder air and take advantage of the higher pressure area under
the
> windshield to effectively increase the max manifold pressure available.
The
> stronger the headwind, the more power it adds. :-) It also gives me some
> additional protection against ingesting water during a deep crossing (like
> water half way up the hood).
>
> --
> Jim
> --
> 98 TJ SE
> 90 SJ GW
> http://www.delawareja.com/gallery/JDJeep98
> "You can do any job in the world with the wrong tool if you try hard
> enough..."
> "4x4" in caps is "$X$"
>
>
> "Eric" <gymrat@***.net> wrote in message
> news:ANMHb.1754$zf.1483@okepread05...
> > I'd throw in my two cents and agree with Doug on the TB issue. I put a
> > bored out 4.0L TB on my 2.5L and it SUCKED. Well, literally and
> > figuratively. I could only use a fraction of the throttle before it
> started
> > bogging down (i.e. running WAY lean). I sold it to a buddy with a 4.0L
> and
> > took his stock TB. Everything is better now. :-)
> >
> > I have the 2.5L and have done the following intake mods:
> >
> > 1. Cold air intake and TB spacer.
> > Results: TB spacer is probably a HUGE waste of money. I had not
found
> > this forum yet, so I learned the hard way. I would say the intake made
a
> > difference. I live on a hill and can do it in higher gears than I could
> > before putting it in.
> > 2. 4.0L TB swap
> > Results: Small change, but noticeable. Note that I went from the
> bored
> > out 4.0L TB (which at times was GREAT... only on heavy acceleration,
> really,
> > and only if I found the "sweet spot" on the throttle) to the stock 4.0L
> TB.
> >
> > Overall: I like the CAI and the 4.0L TB. I'd do it again. However, if
I
> > had the 4.0L, I wouldn't have touched it. It has enough power and I
> > wouldn't want to let all of the other crud in through the intake. I
will
> > eventually sell my TJ for a Rubi anyhow.
> >
> > I will be swapping out exhausts this summer as I seem to have already
> > developed a leak in my muffler (at 39k miles!). If my manifold has
> cracked
> > by then (as they tend to do, so I am told) I'll replace it too.
> >
> > Eric
> > 99 TJ SE
> >
> > "DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
> > news:wtIHb.30562$PK3.771@okepread01...
> > > BNB7 did pass the time by typing:
> > > > I was thinking about putting one of these chips in my '95 XJ. Does
> > anyone have
> > > > any experience with these chips. Do they actually work? Do you think
> > they're
> > > > worth couple hundred bucks or what could I buy for the same money
that
> > would
> > > > do the same thing?
> > >
> > > Save your money.
> > >
> > > Best first steps would be
> > > 1) cat-back, gibson, borla, etc.
> > > 2) new exhaust headers
> > > 3) bored over throttle body.
> > >
> > > You don't give an engine size so be aware of this gotcha.
> > > If you have the 4 banger, the TB from a I6 is the largest you
> > > want to go. If you put a bored out TB for the I6 on your 4
> > > it will run so lean the engine will melt. :) Well, maby not
> > > that lean, but it will run like crap cause you essentially overtook
> > > the injectors.
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > -- DougW -- 93 ZJ 4.0 http://members.***.net/wilsond
> > > HESCO Supercharger - 300W IASCA Stereo - Edelbrock IAS Shocks
> > > Gibson Exhaust - rear DCpower - custom gauge install - Stillen Rotors
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

Eric

Mine is actually just a cone filter setup from AirAid.
http://www.airaid.com/310-110_jeep.asp

Eric
99 TJ SE
"TJim" <jim@ranlet.nospam.com> wrote in message
news:xOydnXlx_u9zs22iRVn-vA@comcast.com...
> Eric,
> How did you do your cold air intake? Why do you refer to letting "crud"
in?
> I fabbed a "cowl snorkel" or "cold air induction" intake for my TJ SE. It
> made a significant improvement on the highway. I also installed a 4.0L TB
> and that helped, too.
> My "CAI" pipes the air from the cowl box into the stock air filter box. I
> get the colder air and take advantage of the higher pressure area under
the
> windshield to effectively increase the max manifold pressure available.
The
> stronger the headwind, the more power it adds. :-) It also gives me some
> additional protection against ingesting water during a deep crossing (like
> water half way up the hood).
>
> --
> Jim
> --
> 98 TJ SE
> 90 SJ GW
> http://www.delawareja.com/gallery/JDJeep98
> "You can do any job in the world with the wrong tool if you try hard
> enough..."
> "4x4" in caps is "$X$"
>
>
> "Eric" <gymrat@***.net> wrote in message
> news:ANMHb.1754$zf.1483@okepread05...
> > I'd throw in my two cents and agree with Doug on the TB issue. I put a
> > bored out 4.0L TB on my 2.5L and it SUCKED. Well, literally and
> > figuratively. I could only use a fraction of the throttle before it
> started
> > bogging down (i.e. running WAY lean). I sold it to a buddy with a 4.0L
> and
> > took his stock TB. Everything is better now. :-)
> >
> > I have the 2.5L and have done the following intake mods:
> >
> > 1. Cold air intake and TB spacer.
> > Results: TB spacer is probably a HUGE waste of money. I had not
found
> > this forum yet, so I learned the hard way. I would say the intake made
a
> > difference. I live on a hill and can do it in higher gears than I could
> > before putting it in.
> > 2. 4.0L TB swap
> > Results: Small change, but noticeable. Note that I went from the
> bored
> > out 4.0L TB (which at times was GREAT... only on heavy acceleration,
> really,
> > and only if I found the "sweet spot" on the throttle) to the stock 4.0L
> TB.
> >
> > Overall: I like the CAI and the 4.0L TB. I'd do it again. However, if
I
> > had the 4.0L, I wouldn't have touched it. It has enough power and I
> > wouldn't want to let all of the other crud in through the intake. I
will
> > eventually sell my TJ for a Rubi anyhow.
> >
> > I will be swapping out exhausts this summer as I seem to have already
> > developed a leak in my muffler (at 39k miles!). If my manifold has
> cracked
> > by then (as they tend to do, so I am told) I'll replace it too.
> >
> > Eric
> > 99 TJ SE
> >
> > "DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
> > news:wtIHb.30562$PK3.771@okepread01...
> > > BNB7 did pass the time by typing:
> > > > I was thinking about putting one of these chips in my '95 XJ. Does
> > anyone have
> > > > any experience with these chips. Do they actually work? Do you think
> > they're
> > > > worth couple hundred bucks or what could I buy for the same money
that
> > would
> > > > do the same thing?
> > >
> > > Save your money.
> > >
> > > Best first steps would be
> > > 1) cat-back, gibson, borla, etc.
> > > 2) new exhaust headers
> > > 3) bored over throttle body.
> > >
> > > You don't give an engine size so be aware of this gotcha.
> > > If you have the 4 banger, the TB from a I6 is the largest you
> > > want to go. If you put a bored out TB for the I6 on your 4
> > > it will run so lean the engine will melt. :) Well, maby not
> > > that lean, but it will run like crap cause you essentially overtook
> > > the injectors.
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > -- DougW -- 93 ZJ 4.0 http://members.***.net/wilsond
> > > HESCO Supercharger - 300W IASCA Stereo - Edelbrock IAS Shocks
> > > Gibson Exhaust - rear DCpower - custom gauge install - Stillen Rotors
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

Eric

Mine is actually just a cone filter setup from AirAid.
http://www.airaid.com/310-110_jeep.asp

Eric
99 TJ SE
"TJim" <jim@ranlet.nospam.com> wrote in message
news:xOydnXlx_u9zs22iRVn-vA@comcast.com...
> Eric,
> How did you do your cold air intake? Why do you refer to letting "crud"
in?
> I fabbed a "cowl snorkel" or "cold air induction" intake for my TJ SE. It
> made a significant improvement on the highway. I also installed a 4.0L TB
> and that helped, too.
> My "CAI" pipes the air from the cowl box into the stock air filter box. I
> get the colder air and take advantage of the higher pressure area under
the
> windshield to effectively increase the max manifold pressure available.
The
> stronger the headwind, the more power it adds. :-) It also gives me some
> additional protection against ingesting water during a deep crossing (like
> water half way up the hood).
>
> --
> Jim
> --
> 98 TJ SE
> 90 SJ GW
> http://www.delawareja.com/gallery/JDJeep98
> "You can do any job in the world with the wrong tool if you try hard
> enough..."
> "4x4" in caps is "$X$"
>
>
> "Eric" <gymrat@***.net> wrote in message
> news:ANMHb.1754$zf.1483@okepread05...
> > I'd throw in my two cents and agree with Doug on the TB issue. I put a
> > bored out 4.0L TB on my 2.5L and it SUCKED. Well, literally and
> > figuratively. I could only use a fraction of the throttle before it
> started
> > bogging down (i.e. running WAY lean). I sold it to a buddy with a 4.0L
> and
> > took his stock TB. Everything is better now. :-)
> >
> > I have the 2.5L and have done the following intake mods:
> >
> > 1. Cold air intake and TB spacer.
> > Results: TB spacer is probably a HUGE waste of money. I had not
found
> > this forum yet, so I learned the hard way. I would say the intake made
a
> > difference. I live on a hill and can do it in higher gears than I could
> > before putting it in.
> > 2. 4.0L TB swap
> > Results: Small change, but noticeable. Note that I went from the
> bored
> > out 4.0L TB (which at times was GREAT... only on heavy acceleration,
> really,
> > and only if I found the "sweet spot" on the throttle) to the stock 4.0L
> TB.
> >
> > Overall: I like the CAI and the 4.0L TB. I'd do it again. However, if
I
> > had the 4.0L, I wouldn't have touched it. It has enough power and I
> > wouldn't want to let all of the other crud in through the intake. I
will
> > eventually sell my TJ for a Rubi anyhow.
> >
> > I will be swapping out exhausts this summer as I seem to have already
> > developed a leak in my muffler (at 39k miles!). If my manifold has
> cracked
> > by then (as they tend to do, so I am told) I'll replace it too.
> >
> > Eric
> > 99 TJ SE
> >
> > "DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
> > news:wtIHb.30562$PK3.771@okepread01...
> > > BNB7 did pass the time by typing:
> > > > I was thinking about putting one of these chips in my '95 XJ. Does
> > anyone have
> > > > any experience with these chips. Do they actually work? Do you think
> > they're
> > > > worth couple hundred bucks or what could I buy for the same money
that
> > would
> > > > do the same thing?
> > >
> > > Save your money.
> > >
> > > Best first steps would be
> > > 1) cat-back, gibson, borla, etc.
> > > 2) new exhaust headers
> > > 3) bored over throttle body.
> > >
> > > You don't give an engine size so be aware of this gotcha.
> > > If you have the 4 banger, the TB from a I6 is the largest you
> > > want to go. If you put a bored out TB for the I6 on your 4
> > > it will run so lean the engine will melt. :) Well, maby not
> > > that lean, but it will run like crap cause you essentially overtook
> > > the injectors.
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > -- DougW -- 93 ZJ 4.0 http://members.***.net/wilsond
> > > HESCO Supercharger - 300W IASCA Stereo - Edelbrock IAS Shocks
> > > Gibson Exhaust - rear DCpower - custom gauge install - Stillen Rotors
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

Eric

I wonder how many people have even taken a 2.5L on a road trip... or done
any mods to it to see how well it performs. Interesting that the majority
of comments on what it can/does/should do come from those without one.
Could just be my skewed perspective. If I could do it over again, 4.0L, no
doubt. But I still like my lil' SE. It's great in town. Just those
highway trips are KILLER.

Should be interesting when I tow my bike over 900 miles.. *cringe*

Eric
99 TJ SE
"TJim" <jim@ranlet.nospam.com> wrote in message
news:qvqdnaFpSvwIsm2iRVn-gg@comcast.com...
> With a 2.5L on the highway, you spend more time at WOT. It does help in
> that situation. It effectively gives you another inch or two of pedal.
> Funny, though. I don't seem to have that problem with my Grand Waggy...
> ;-)
> --
> Jim
> --
> 98 TJ SE
> 90 SJ GW
> http://www.delawareja.com/gallery/JDJeep98
> "You can do any job in the world with the wrong tool if you try hard
> enough..."
> "4x4" in caps is "$X$"
>
>
> "bllsht" <nospam@invaliddot.net> wrote in message
> news:v7kvuvsm409ipm9nq6p975ntl30pku6miq@4ax.com...
> > In message <KZKHb.30576$PK3.24616@okepread01>, "DougW" wrote:
> >
> > >bllsht did pass the time by typing:
> > >> A larger throttle body *may* help at WOT. For normal driving, the
PCM
> will
> > >> simply adapt to it the same way it adapts to vacuum leaks. It adds
> more fuel
> > >> and you gain no performance.
> > >
> > >Actually it changes the whole power curve, not just the top end with
> > >the net result being the engine can breathe easier at higher revs.
> > >By itself you might be looking at 2-3HP gain, the benefit comes when
> > >your moving more air like I do with the supercharger.
> >
> > By using a larger throttle body, you're just increasing the maximum
amount
> of
> > air that can get into the engine at WOT, so you may get more top end
> power.
> > Less than WOT, and it's the same as opening the throttle a little more
on
> a
> > stock TB, or pulling off a big vacuum hose to allow more air in. Yeah,
> the RPM
> > goes up, but has there been a hp gain? It may be "perceived" as more
> power
> > because it takes less throttle action to let the same amount of air in.
> The
> > same perception could be gained by changing accelerator linkage
geometry.
> >
> > A supercharger is a different ball game, and would probably benefit from
a
> > larger TB.
> >
> > >Within limits anything that lowers intake and exhaust resistance
improves
> > >efficiency. I say "within limits" because resistance is necessary for
> the
> > >engine to scavenge properly. Most modern engines use the O2 sensor to
> > >set the mix, with the TPS acting as a sanity check and WOT signal.
> > >
> > >> "DougW" wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> BNB7 did pass the time by typing:
> > >>>> I was thinking about putting one of these chips in my '95 XJ. Does
> anyone
> > >>>> have any experience with these chips. Do they actually work? Do you
> think
> > >>>> they're worth couple hundred bucks or what could I buy for the same
> money
> > >>>> that would do the same thing?
> > >>>
> > >>> Save your money.
> > >>>
> > >>> Best first steps would be
> > >>> 1) cat-back, gibson, borla, etc.
> > >>> 2) new exhaust headers
> > >>> 3) bored over throttle body.
> > >>>
> > >>> You don't give an engine size so be aware of this gotcha.
> > >>> If you have the 4 banger, the TB from a I6 is the largest you
> > >>> want to go. If you put a bored out TB for the I6 on your 4
> > >>> it will run so lean the engine will melt. :) Well, maby not
> > >>> that lean, but it will run like crap cause you essentially overtook
> > >>> the injectors.
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>

Eric

I wonder how many people have even taken a 2.5L on a road trip... or done
any mods to it to see how well it performs. Interesting that the majority
of comments on what it can/does/should do come from those without one.
Could just be my skewed perspective. If I could do it over again, 4.0L, no
doubt. But I still like my lil' SE. It's great in town. Just those
highway trips are KILLER.

Should be interesting when I tow my bike over 900 miles.. *cringe*

Eric
99 TJ SE
"TJim" <jim@ranlet.nospam.com> wrote in message
news:qvqdnaFpSvwIsm2iRVn-gg@comcast.com...
> With a 2.5L on the highway, you spend more time at WOT. It does help in
> that situation. It effectively gives you another inch or two of pedal.
> Funny, though. I don't seem to have that problem with my Grand Waggy...
> ;-)
> --
> Jim
> --
> 98 TJ SE
> 90 SJ GW
> http://www.delawareja.com/gallery/JDJeep98
> "You can do any job in the world with the wrong tool if you try hard
> enough..."
> "4x4" in caps is "$X$"
>
>
> "bllsht" <nospam@invaliddot.net> wrote in message
> news:v7kvuvsm409ipm9nq6p975ntl30pku6miq@4ax.com...
> > In message <KZKHb.30576$PK3.24616@okepread01>, "DougW" wrote:
> >
> > >bllsht did pass the time by typing:
> > >> A larger throttle body *may* help at WOT. For normal driving, the
PCM
> will
> > >> simply adapt to it the same way it adapts to vacuum leaks. It adds
> more fuel
> > >> and you gain no performance.
> > >
> > >Actually it changes the whole power curve, not just the top end with
> > >the net result being the engine can breathe easier at higher revs.
> > >By itself you might be looking at 2-3HP gain, the benefit comes when
> > >your moving more air like I do with the supercharger.
> >
> > By using a larger throttle body, you're just increasing the maximum
amount
> of
> > air that can get into the engine at WOT, so you may get more top end
> power.
> > Less than WOT, and it's the same as opening the throttle a little more
on
> a
> > stock TB, or pulling off a big vacuum hose to allow more air in. Yeah,
> the RPM
> > goes up, but has there been a hp gain? It may be "perceived" as more
> power
> > because it takes less throttle action to let the same amount of air in.
> The
> > same perception could be gained by changing accelerator linkage
geometry.
> >
> > A supercharger is a different ball game, and would probably benefit from
a
> > larger TB.
> >
> > >Within limits anything that lowers intake and exhaust resistance
improves
> > >efficiency. I say "within limits" because resistance is necessary for
> the
> > >engine to scavenge properly. Most modern engines use the O2 sensor to
> > >set the mix, with the TPS acting as a sanity check and WOT signal.
> > >
> > >> "DougW" wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> BNB7 did pass the time by typing:
> > >>>> I was thinking about putting one of these chips in my '95 XJ. Does
> anyone
> > >>>> have any experience with these chips. Do they actually work? Do you
> think
> > >>>> they're worth couple hundred bucks or what could I buy for the same
> money
> > >>>> that would do the same thing?
> > >>>
> > >>> Save your money.
> > >>>
> > >>> Best first steps would be
> > >>> 1) cat-back, gibson, borla, etc.
> > >>> 2) new exhaust headers
> > >>> 3) bored over throttle body.
> > >>>
> > >>> You don't give an engine size so be aware of this gotcha.
> > >>> If you have the 4 banger, the TB from a I6 is the largest you
> > >>> want to go. If you put a bored out TB for the I6 on your 4
> > >>> it will run so lean the engine will melt. :) Well, maby not
> > >>> that lean, but it will run like crap cause you essentially overtook
> > >>> the injectors.
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>

Eric

I wonder how many people have even taken a 2.5L on a road trip... or done
any mods to it to see how well it performs. Interesting that the majority
of comments on what it can/does/should do come from those without one.
Could just be my skewed perspective. If I could do it over again, 4.0L, no
doubt. But I still like my lil' SE. It's great in town. Just those
highway trips are KILLER.

Should be interesting when I tow my bike over 900 miles.. *cringe*

Eric
99 TJ SE
"TJim" <jim@ranlet.nospam.com> wrote in message
news:qvqdnaFpSvwIsm2iRVn-gg@comcast.com...
> With a 2.5L on the highway, you spend more time at WOT. It does help in
> that situation. It effectively gives you another inch or two of pedal.
> Funny, though. I don't seem to have that problem with my Grand Waggy...
> ;-)
> --
> Jim
> --
> 98 TJ SE
> 90 SJ GW
> http://www.delawareja.com/gallery/JDJeep98
> "You can do any job in the world with the wrong tool if you try hard
> enough..."
> "4x4" in caps is "$X$"
>
>
> "bllsht" <nospam@invaliddot.net> wrote in message
> news:v7kvuvsm409ipm9nq6p975ntl30pku6miq@4ax.com...
> > In message <KZKHb.30576$PK3.24616@okepread01>, "DougW" wrote:
> >
> > >bllsht did pass the time by typing:
> > >> A larger throttle body *may* help at WOT. For normal driving, the
PCM
> will
> > >> simply adapt to it the same way it adapts to vacuum leaks. It adds
> more fuel
> > >> and you gain no performance.
> > >
> > >Actually it changes the whole power curve, not just the top end with
> > >the net result being the engine can breathe easier at higher revs.
> > >By itself you might be looking at 2-3HP gain, the benefit comes when
> > >your moving more air like I do with the supercharger.
> >
> > By using a larger throttle body, you're just increasing the maximum
amount
> of
> > air that can get into the engine at WOT, so you may get more top end
> power.
> > Less than WOT, and it's the same as opening the throttle a little more
on
> a
> > stock TB, or pulling off a big vacuum hose to allow more air in. Yeah,
> the RPM
> > goes up, but has there been a hp gain? It may be "perceived" as more
> power
> > because it takes less throttle action to let the same amount of air in.
> The
> > same perception could be gained by changing accelerator linkage
geometry.
> >
> > A supercharger is a different ball game, and would probably benefit from
a
> > larger TB.
> >
> > >Within limits anything that lowers intake and exhaust resistance
improves
> > >efficiency. I say "within limits" because resistance is necessary for
> the
> > >engine to scavenge properly. Most modern engines use the O2 sensor to
> > >set the mix, with the TPS acting as a sanity check and WOT signal.
> > >
> > >> "DougW" wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> BNB7 did pass the time by typing:
> > >>>> I was thinking about putting one of these chips in my '95 XJ. Does
> anyone
> > >>>> have any experience with these chips. Do they actually work? Do you
> think
> > >>>> they're worth couple hundred bucks or what could I buy for the same
> money
> > >>>> that would do the same thing?
> > >>>
> > >>> Save your money.
> > >>>
> > >>> Best first steps would be
> > >>> 1) cat-back, gibson, borla, etc.
> > >>> 2) new exhaust headers
> > >>> 3) bored over throttle body.
> > >>>
> > >>> You don't give an engine size so be aware of this gotcha.
> > >>> If you have the 4 banger, the TB from a I6 is the largest you
> > >>> want to go. If you put a bored out TB for the I6 on your 4
> > >>> it will run so lean the engine will melt. :) Well, maby not
> > >>> that lean, but it will run like crap cause you essentially overtook
> > >>> the injectors.
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>