Jeep Wrangler TJ axle type???
#61
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Re: Jeep Wrangler TJ axle type???
The two piece axle whether Dana, Ford, or AMC is not weak if the
mechanic follows a couple of simple rules:
http://www.----------.com/amc20hub.jpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
Jerry Bransford wrote:
>
> Dang then according to Bill, I guess it is a figment of our collective
> imagination that AMC introduced the AMC 20 axle with the dreaded 2-piece
> axle shaft design known for its weakeness to the CJ line. It was then
> Chrysler that reintroduced the Dana 44 axle dropped by AMC which according
> to Bill, made the CJ an non-Jeep? Hmmm... maybe Chrysler's ideas weren't so
> bad afterall, eh Bill? ;)
>
> Jerry
> --
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> To email, remove 'me' from my email address
> N6TAY, PP-ASEL
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
>
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > Bob wrote:
> > >
> > > Oops.
> > >
> > > Jerry, please disregard my previous tirade. I'm not sure why, but my
> > > numb Monday-brain somehow missed the part where you used your own '97
> > > TJ's specs as a direct rebuttal to mine. My bad! :(
> > >
> > > Sorry!
> > >
> > > /Bob
mechanic follows a couple of simple rules:
http://www.----------.com/amc20hub.jpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
Jerry Bransford wrote:
>
> Dang then according to Bill, I guess it is a figment of our collective
> imagination that AMC introduced the AMC 20 axle with the dreaded 2-piece
> axle shaft design known for its weakeness to the CJ line. It was then
> Chrysler that reintroduced the Dana 44 axle dropped by AMC which according
> to Bill, made the CJ an non-Jeep? Hmmm... maybe Chrysler's ideas weren't so
> bad afterall, eh Bill? ;)
>
> Jerry
> --
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> To email, remove 'me' from my email address
> N6TAY, PP-ASEL
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
>
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > Bob wrote:
> > >
> > > Oops.
> > >
> > > Jerry, please disregard my previous tirade. I'm not sure why, but my
> > > numb Monday-brain somehow missed the part where you used your own '97
> > > TJ's specs as a direct rebuttal to mine. My bad! :(
> > >
> > > Sorry!
> > >
> > > /Bob
#62
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Re: Jeep Wrangler TJ axle type???
Actually it was AMC, not Chrysler, who brought the D44 back for the 86 MY
simply because the AMC 20 had been phased out of production. AMC can also be
credited with giving borth to the dreaded Dana 35 curse as well. Having
worked for 3 auto manufacturers, I'm certain whoever the dimwitt4ed
beancounter was thqat dreamed up the D35 nightmare was quickly identified as
a high potential employee by Chrysler, and probably was responsible for the
millions of Chrysler products you see running around with the paint peeling
off in sheets...save a nickle, save a million (don't worry, the customers'l
never know the difference!)
"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@mecox.net> wrote in message
news:5owsc.24000$PU5.20118@fed1read06...
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:40B24B73.188C86BF@***.net...
> > Jerry Bransford:
> > http://www.jjournal.net/jeep/gallery/JBransfordsTJ/ neglected to say his
> > '97 TJ also "had" Antilock Braking System before he upgraded to the 44
> > used by Real Jeeps since '47.
>
> Dang then according to Bill, I guess it is a figment of our collective
> imagination that AMC introduced the AMC 20 axle with the dreaded 2-piece
> axle shaft design known for its weakeness to the CJ line. It was then
> Chrysler that reintroduced the Dana 44 axle dropped by AMC which according
> to Bill, made the CJ an non-Jeep? Hmmm... maybe Chrysler's ideas weren't
so
> bad afterall, eh Bill? ;)
>
> Jerry
> --
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> To email, remove 'me' from my email address
> N6TAY, PP-ASEL
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
>
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > Bob wrote:
> > >
> > > Oops.
> > >
> > > Jerry, please disregard my previous tirade. I'm not sure why, but my
> > > numb Monday-brain somehow missed the part where you used your own '97
> > > TJ's specs as a direct rebuttal to mine. My bad! :(
> > >
> > > Sorry!
> > >
> > > /Bob
>
>
simply because the AMC 20 had been phased out of production. AMC can also be
credited with giving borth to the dreaded Dana 35 curse as well. Having
worked for 3 auto manufacturers, I'm certain whoever the dimwitt4ed
beancounter was thqat dreamed up the D35 nightmare was quickly identified as
a high potential employee by Chrysler, and probably was responsible for the
millions of Chrysler products you see running around with the paint peeling
off in sheets...save a nickle, save a million (don't worry, the customers'l
never know the difference!)
"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@mecox.net> wrote in message
news:5owsc.24000$PU5.20118@fed1read06...
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:40B24B73.188C86BF@***.net...
> > Jerry Bransford:
> > http://www.jjournal.net/jeep/gallery/JBransfordsTJ/ neglected to say his
> > '97 TJ also "had" Antilock Braking System before he upgraded to the 44
> > used by Real Jeeps since '47.
>
> Dang then according to Bill, I guess it is a figment of our collective
> imagination that AMC introduced the AMC 20 axle with the dreaded 2-piece
> axle shaft design known for its weakeness to the CJ line. It was then
> Chrysler that reintroduced the Dana 44 axle dropped by AMC which according
> to Bill, made the CJ an non-Jeep? Hmmm... maybe Chrysler's ideas weren't
so
> bad afterall, eh Bill? ;)
>
> Jerry
> --
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> To email, remove 'me' from my email address
> N6TAY, PP-ASEL
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
>
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > Bob wrote:
> > >
> > > Oops.
> > >
> > > Jerry, please disregard my previous tirade. I'm not sure why, but my
> > > numb Monday-brain somehow missed the part where you used your own '97
> > > TJ's specs as a direct rebuttal to mine. My bad! :(
> > >
> > > Sorry!
> > >
> > > /Bob
>
>
#63
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Re: Jeep Wrangler TJ axle type???
Actually it was AMC, not Chrysler, who brought the D44 back for the 86 MY
simply because the AMC 20 had been phased out of production. AMC can also be
credited with giving borth to the dreaded Dana 35 curse as well. Having
worked for 3 auto manufacturers, I'm certain whoever the dimwitt4ed
beancounter was thqat dreamed up the D35 nightmare was quickly identified as
a high potential employee by Chrysler, and probably was responsible for the
millions of Chrysler products you see running around with the paint peeling
off in sheets...save a nickle, save a million (don't worry, the customers'l
never know the difference!)
"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@mecox.net> wrote in message
news:5owsc.24000$PU5.20118@fed1read06...
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:40B24B73.188C86BF@***.net...
> > Jerry Bransford:
> > http://www.jjournal.net/jeep/gallery/JBransfordsTJ/ neglected to say his
> > '97 TJ also "had" Antilock Braking System before he upgraded to the 44
> > used by Real Jeeps since '47.
>
> Dang then according to Bill, I guess it is a figment of our collective
> imagination that AMC introduced the AMC 20 axle with the dreaded 2-piece
> axle shaft design known for its weakeness to the CJ line. It was then
> Chrysler that reintroduced the Dana 44 axle dropped by AMC which according
> to Bill, made the CJ an non-Jeep? Hmmm... maybe Chrysler's ideas weren't
so
> bad afterall, eh Bill? ;)
>
> Jerry
> --
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> To email, remove 'me' from my email address
> N6TAY, PP-ASEL
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
>
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > Bob wrote:
> > >
> > > Oops.
> > >
> > > Jerry, please disregard my previous tirade. I'm not sure why, but my
> > > numb Monday-brain somehow missed the part where you used your own '97
> > > TJ's specs as a direct rebuttal to mine. My bad! :(
> > >
> > > Sorry!
> > >
> > > /Bob
>
>
simply because the AMC 20 had been phased out of production. AMC can also be
credited with giving borth to the dreaded Dana 35 curse as well. Having
worked for 3 auto manufacturers, I'm certain whoever the dimwitt4ed
beancounter was thqat dreamed up the D35 nightmare was quickly identified as
a high potential employee by Chrysler, and probably was responsible for the
millions of Chrysler products you see running around with the paint peeling
off in sheets...save a nickle, save a million (don't worry, the customers'l
never know the difference!)
"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@mecox.net> wrote in message
news:5owsc.24000$PU5.20118@fed1read06...
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:40B24B73.188C86BF@***.net...
> > Jerry Bransford:
> > http://www.jjournal.net/jeep/gallery/JBransfordsTJ/ neglected to say his
> > '97 TJ also "had" Antilock Braking System before he upgraded to the 44
> > used by Real Jeeps since '47.
>
> Dang then according to Bill, I guess it is a figment of our collective
> imagination that AMC introduced the AMC 20 axle with the dreaded 2-piece
> axle shaft design known for its weakeness to the CJ line. It was then
> Chrysler that reintroduced the Dana 44 axle dropped by AMC which according
> to Bill, made the CJ an non-Jeep? Hmmm... maybe Chrysler's ideas weren't
so
> bad afterall, eh Bill? ;)
>
> Jerry
> --
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> To email, remove 'me' from my email address
> N6TAY, PP-ASEL
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
>
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > Bob wrote:
> > >
> > > Oops.
> > >
> > > Jerry, please disregard my previous tirade. I'm not sure why, but my
> > > numb Monday-brain somehow missed the part where you used your own '97
> > > TJ's specs as a direct rebuttal to mine. My bad! :(
> > >
> > > Sorry!
> > >
> > > /Bob
>
>
#64
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Posts: n/a
Re: Jeep Wrangler TJ axle type???
Actually it was AMC, not Chrysler, who brought the D44 back for the 86 MY
simply because the AMC 20 had been phased out of production. AMC can also be
credited with giving borth to the dreaded Dana 35 curse as well. Having
worked for 3 auto manufacturers, I'm certain whoever the dimwitt4ed
beancounter was thqat dreamed up the D35 nightmare was quickly identified as
a high potential employee by Chrysler, and probably was responsible for the
millions of Chrysler products you see running around with the paint peeling
off in sheets...save a nickle, save a million (don't worry, the customers'l
never know the difference!)
"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@mecox.net> wrote in message
news:5owsc.24000$PU5.20118@fed1read06...
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:40B24B73.188C86BF@***.net...
> > Jerry Bransford:
> > http://www.jjournal.net/jeep/gallery/JBransfordsTJ/ neglected to say his
> > '97 TJ also "had" Antilock Braking System before he upgraded to the 44
> > used by Real Jeeps since '47.
>
> Dang then according to Bill, I guess it is a figment of our collective
> imagination that AMC introduced the AMC 20 axle with the dreaded 2-piece
> axle shaft design known for its weakeness to the CJ line. It was then
> Chrysler that reintroduced the Dana 44 axle dropped by AMC which according
> to Bill, made the CJ an non-Jeep? Hmmm... maybe Chrysler's ideas weren't
so
> bad afterall, eh Bill? ;)
>
> Jerry
> --
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> To email, remove 'me' from my email address
> N6TAY, PP-ASEL
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
>
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > Bob wrote:
> > >
> > > Oops.
> > >
> > > Jerry, please disregard my previous tirade. I'm not sure why, but my
> > > numb Monday-brain somehow missed the part where you used your own '97
> > > TJ's specs as a direct rebuttal to mine. My bad! :(
> > >
> > > Sorry!
> > >
> > > /Bob
>
>
simply because the AMC 20 had been phased out of production. AMC can also be
credited with giving borth to the dreaded Dana 35 curse as well. Having
worked for 3 auto manufacturers, I'm certain whoever the dimwitt4ed
beancounter was thqat dreamed up the D35 nightmare was quickly identified as
a high potential employee by Chrysler, and probably was responsible for the
millions of Chrysler products you see running around with the paint peeling
off in sheets...save a nickle, save a million (don't worry, the customers'l
never know the difference!)
"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@mecox.net> wrote in message
news:5owsc.24000$PU5.20118@fed1read06...
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:40B24B73.188C86BF@***.net...
> > Jerry Bransford:
> > http://www.jjournal.net/jeep/gallery/JBransfordsTJ/ neglected to say his
> > '97 TJ also "had" Antilock Braking System before he upgraded to the 44
> > used by Real Jeeps since '47.
>
> Dang then according to Bill, I guess it is a figment of our collective
> imagination that AMC introduced the AMC 20 axle with the dreaded 2-piece
> axle shaft design known for its weakeness to the CJ line. It was then
> Chrysler that reintroduced the Dana 44 axle dropped by AMC which according
> to Bill, made the CJ an non-Jeep? Hmmm... maybe Chrysler's ideas weren't
so
> bad afterall, eh Bill? ;)
>
> Jerry
> --
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> To email, remove 'me' from my email address
> N6TAY, PP-ASEL
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
>
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > Bob wrote:
> > >
> > > Oops.
> > >
> > > Jerry, please disregard my previous tirade. I'm not sure why, but my
> > > numb Monday-brain somehow missed the part where you used your own '97
> > > TJ's specs as a direct rebuttal to mine. My bad! :(
> > >
> > > Sorry!
> > >
> > > /Bob
>
>
#65
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Re: Jeep Wrangler TJ axle type???
Actually it was AMC, not Chrysler, who brought the D44 back for the 86 MY
simply because the AMC 20 had been phased out of production. AMC can also be
credited with giving borth to the dreaded Dana 35 curse as well. Having
worked for 3 auto manufacturers, I'm certain whoever the dimwitt4ed
beancounter was thqat dreamed up the D35 nightmare was quickly identified as
a high potential employee by Chrysler, and probably was responsible for the
millions of Chrysler products you see running around with the paint peeling
off in sheets...save a nickle, save a million (don't worry, the customers'l
never know the difference!)
"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@mecox.net> wrote in message
news:5owsc.24000$PU5.20118@fed1read06...
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:40B24B73.188C86BF@***.net...
> > Jerry Bransford:
> > http://www.jjournal.net/jeep/gallery/JBransfordsTJ/ neglected to say his
> > '97 TJ also "had" Antilock Braking System before he upgraded to the 44
> > used by Real Jeeps since '47.
>
> Dang then according to Bill, I guess it is a figment of our collective
> imagination that AMC introduced the AMC 20 axle with the dreaded 2-piece
> axle shaft design known for its weakeness to the CJ line. It was then
> Chrysler that reintroduced the Dana 44 axle dropped by AMC which according
> to Bill, made the CJ an non-Jeep? Hmmm... maybe Chrysler's ideas weren't
so
> bad afterall, eh Bill? ;)
>
> Jerry
> --
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> To email, remove 'me' from my email address
> N6TAY, PP-ASEL
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
>
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > Bob wrote:
> > >
> > > Oops.
> > >
> > > Jerry, please disregard my previous tirade. I'm not sure why, but my
> > > numb Monday-brain somehow missed the part where you used your own '97
> > > TJ's specs as a direct rebuttal to mine. My bad! :(
> > >
> > > Sorry!
> > >
> > > /Bob
>
>
simply because the AMC 20 had been phased out of production. AMC can also be
credited with giving borth to the dreaded Dana 35 curse as well. Having
worked for 3 auto manufacturers, I'm certain whoever the dimwitt4ed
beancounter was thqat dreamed up the D35 nightmare was quickly identified as
a high potential employee by Chrysler, and probably was responsible for the
millions of Chrysler products you see running around with the paint peeling
off in sheets...save a nickle, save a million (don't worry, the customers'l
never know the difference!)
"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@mecox.net> wrote in message
news:5owsc.24000$PU5.20118@fed1read06...
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:40B24B73.188C86BF@***.net...
> > Jerry Bransford:
> > http://www.jjournal.net/jeep/gallery/JBransfordsTJ/ neglected to say his
> > '97 TJ also "had" Antilock Braking System before he upgraded to the 44
> > used by Real Jeeps since '47.
>
> Dang then according to Bill, I guess it is a figment of our collective
> imagination that AMC introduced the AMC 20 axle with the dreaded 2-piece
> axle shaft design known for its weakeness to the CJ line. It was then
> Chrysler that reintroduced the Dana 44 axle dropped by AMC which according
> to Bill, made the CJ an non-Jeep? Hmmm... maybe Chrysler's ideas weren't
so
> bad afterall, eh Bill? ;)
>
> Jerry
> --
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> To email, remove 'me' from my email address
> N6TAY, PP-ASEL
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
>
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > Bob wrote:
> > >
> > > Oops.
> > >
> > > Jerry, please disregard my previous tirade. I'm not sure why, but my
> > > numb Monday-brain somehow missed the part where you used your own '97
> > > TJ's specs as a direct rebuttal to mine. My bad! :(
> > >
> > > Sorry!
> > >
> > > /Bob
>
>
#66
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Re: Jeep Wrangler TJ axle type???
Ok, here's what I remember:
They didn't start shipping 3.73 gears in the 44 until at least 99 or
2000. The 97s (and I think the 98s), when equipped with a 44, came
with 3.55 gears. All 44s came/come with the limited slip.
When I looked up the included equipment for my Jeep, I concluded the
seller wasn't lying about the 44 (I hadn't gone and looked at the rig
yet at that time to verify), either because what I read said the
sahara edition from 97 always came with a 44, or, more likely, because
he'd also told me it had a 3.55:1 ratio, and THAT coincided with
having a 44 in the rear on whatever I was reading. I wish I could find
the old link.
Also, every jeep I looked at when I was hunting didn't have ABS (I
didn't bother looking if it did, as I knew it wouldn't have the 44),
so I don't even consider that in my thinking ;-)
I do think you're right, though, that I was mistaken in my memory
thinking that the 44 was standard on the 97 sahara.
Anyway, enough conjecture. I think we're both just
pseudo-guessing/remembering here anyway.
Wouldn't it be nice to hear from the OP what he found out so we can
stop this debate? ;-)
/Bob
"Jerry McG" <gmcgeorge.remove@frontier.net> wrote in message news:<c8t16k01hsc@enews2.newsguy.com>...
> Ok, here's what I remember regarding the TJ D44. It has always been an
> option, about $500, and excepot for the current Rubicon has never been
> "standard" on any model, including the Sahara. D44s do not come with ABS.
>
> 3.55 gears and ABS indicate a Dana 35 with trac-loc limited slip
> differential. Dana 44s are equipped with 3.78s and all that I've seen have
> the trac-loc, though I'm told some do not.
>
> Used to be if you ordered the 30" wheel & tire group you also had to get
> the D44, not sure that has continued because I've seen a few on the used
> market with the 30" wheels & tires that had D35s.
>
> "Bob" <magicclaw@mac.com> wrote in message
> news:47b769ae.0405240510.38bf9186@posting.google.c om...
> > I'm not 100% sure on this, but damn close -- I think you probably have
> > a D44 in the rear.
> >
> > I have a 1997 Sahara as well, and it has (or actually had) 3.55 gears,
> > and has a Dana 44 rear. I believe, from what I read when I was buying
> > this jeep a couple years ago (I could be mistaken, it was a couple
> > years ago, after all), that the 3.55 gearing implies the Dana 44. It's
> > even possible the Dana 44 upgrade was an included part of the Sahara
> > package in 1997. The only caveat to this is if you have ABS. Since I
> > knew I wasn't getting ABS, though, that didn't even enter my thinking,
> > and I didn't look at how that affected any options as a result. Either
> > way, my vote is you probably have a Dana 44, pending the outcome of
> > your comparison to the pictures on the link Bill posted.
> >
> > Let us know! I'd certainly like to know if I'm way off base in what I
> > remember.
> >
> >
> > dirk44@aol.com (Derek Proctor) wrote in message
> news:<3ade3bcf.0405231707.4f8518f3@posting.google. com>...
> > > Hey all i have a 97 wrangler sahara that came standard with the 30"
> > > wheel package and i was wondering what axle and gearing it has. Im
> > > almost sure its a dana 35 but the tag on the left rear reads 3.55
> > > gears. I do not have any factory limited slips or anything so im
> > > guessing it was a mistake by the dealer. Is it possible that the
> > > dealer slapped on the 3.55 gear tag on a dana 35 or does this tag mean
> > > that my housing actually has 3.55's and my axle is in fact a dana 44?
> > > Any input would be appreciated.
They didn't start shipping 3.73 gears in the 44 until at least 99 or
2000. The 97s (and I think the 98s), when equipped with a 44, came
with 3.55 gears. All 44s came/come with the limited slip.
When I looked up the included equipment for my Jeep, I concluded the
seller wasn't lying about the 44 (I hadn't gone and looked at the rig
yet at that time to verify), either because what I read said the
sahara edition from 97 always came with a 44, or, more likely, because
he'd also told me it had a 3.55:1 ratio, and THAT coincided with
having a 44 in the rear on whatever I was reading. I wish I could find
the old link.
Also, every jeep I looked at when I was hunting didn't have ABS (I
didn't bother looking if it did, as I knew it wouldn't have the 44),
so I don't even consider that in my thinking ;-)
I do think you're right, though, that I was mistaken in my memory
thinking that the 44 was standard on the 97 sahara.
Anyway, enough conjecture. I think we're both just
pseudo-guessing/remembering here anyway.
Wouldn't it be nice to hear from the OP what he found out so we can
stop this debate? ;-)
/Bob
"Jerry McG" <gmcgeorge.remove@frontier.net> wrote in message news:<c8t16k01hsc@enews2.newsguy.com>...
> Ok, here's what I remember regarding the TJ D44. It has always been an
> option, about $500, and excepot for the current Rubicon has never been
> "standard" on any model, including the Sahara. D44s do not come with ABS.
>
> 3.55 gears and ABS indicate a Dana 35 with trac-loc limited slip
> differential. Dana 44s are equipped with 3.78s and all that I've seen have
> the trac-loc, though I'm told some do not.
>
> Used to be if you ordered the 30" wheel & tire group you also had to get
> the D44, not sure that has continued because I've seen a few on the used
> market with the 30" wheels & tires that had D35s.
>
> "Bob" <magicclaw@mac.com> wrote in message
> news:47b769ae.0405240510.38bf9186@posting.google.c om...
> > I'm not 100% sure on this, but damn close -- I think you probably have
> > a D44 in the rear.
> >
> > I have a 1997 Sahara as well, and it has (or actually had) 3.55 gears,
> > and has a Dana 44 rear. I believe, from what I read when I was buying
> > this jeep a couple years ago (I could be mistaken, it was a couple
> > years ago, after all), that the 3.55 gearing implies the Dana 44. It's
> > even possible the Dana 44 upgrade was an included part of the Sahara
> > package in 1997. The only caveat to this is if you have ABS. Since I
> > knew I wasn't getting ABS, though, that didn't even enter my thinking,
> > and I didn't look at how that affected any options as a result. Either
> > way, my vote is you probably have a Dana 44, pending the outcome of
> > your comparison to the pictures on the link Bill posted.
> >
> > Let us know! I'd certainly like to know if I'm way off base in what I
> > remember.
> >
> >
> > dirk44@aol.com (Derek Proctor) wrote in message
> news:<3ade3bcf.0405231707.4f8518f3@posting.google. com>...
> > > Hey all i have a 97 wrangler sahara that came standard with the 30"
> > > wheel package and i was wondering what axle and gearing it has. Im
> > > almost sure its a dana 35 but the tag on the left rear reads 3.55
> > > gears. I do not have any factory limited slips or anything so im
> > > guessing it was a mistake by the dealer. Is it possible that the
> > > dealer slapped on the 3.55 gear tag on a dana 35 or does this tag mean
> > > that my housing actually has 3.55's and my axle is in fact a dana 44?
> > > Any input would be appreciated.
#67
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Jeep Wrangler TJ axle type???
Ok, here's what I remember:
They didn't start shipping 3.73 gears in the 44 until at least 99 or
2000. The 97s (and I think the 98s), when equipped with a 44, came
with 3.55 gears. All 44s came/come with the limited slip.
When I looked up the included equipment for my Jeep, I concluded the
seller wasn't lying about the 44 (I hadn't gone and looked at the rig
yet at that time to verify), either because what I read said the
sahara edition from 97 always came with a 44, or, more likely, because
he'd also told me it had a 3.55:1 ratio, and THAT coincided with
having a 44 in the rear on whatever I was reading. I wish I could find
the old link.
Also, every jeep I looked at when I was hunting didn't have ABS (I
didn't bother looking if it did, as I knew it wouldn't have the 44),
so I don't even consider that in my thinking ;-)
I do think you're right, though, that I was mistaken in my memory
thinking that the 44 was standard on the 97 sahara.
Anyway, enough conjecture. I think we're both just
pseudo-guessing/remembering here anyway.
Wouldn't it be nice to hear from the OP what he found out so we can
stop this debate? ;-)
/Bob
"Jerry McG" <gmcgeorge.remove@frontier.net> wrote in message news:<c8t16k01hsc@enews2.newsguy.com>...
> Ok, here's what I remember regarding the TJ D44. It has always been an
> option, about $500, and excepot for the current Rubicon has never been
> "standard" on any model, including the Sahara. D44s do not come with ABS.
>
> 3.55 gears and ABS indicate a Dana 35 with trac-loc limited slip
> differential. Dana 44s are equipped with 3.78s and all that I've seen have
> the trac-loc, though I'm told some do not.
>
> Used to be if you ordered the 30" wheel & tire group you also had to get
> the D44, not sure that has continued because I've seen a few on the used
> market with the 30" wheels & tires that had D35s.
>
> "Bob" <magicclaw@mac.com> wrote in message
> news:47b769ae.0405240510.38bf9186@posting.google.c om...
> > I'm not 100% sure on this, but damn close -- I think you probably have
> > a D44 in the rear.
> >
> > I have a 1997 Sahara as well, and it has (or actually had) 3.55 gears,
> > and has a Dana 44 rear. I believe, from what I read when I was buying
> > this jeep a couple years ago (I could be mistaken, it was a couple
> > years ago, after all), that the 3.55 gearing implies the Dana 44. It's
> > even possible the Dana 44 upgrade was an included part of the Sahara
> > package in 1997. The only caveat to this is if you have ABS. Since I
> > knew I wasn't getting ABS, though, that didn't even enter my thinking,
> > and I didn't look at how that affected any options as a result. Either
> > way, my vote is you probably have a Dana 44, pending the outcome of
> > your comparison to the pictures on the link Bill posted.
> >
> > Let us know! I'd certainly like to know if I'm way off base in what I
> > remember.
> >
> >
> > dirk44@aol.com (Derek Proctor) wrote in message
> news:<3ade3bcf.0405231707.4f8518f3@posting.google. com>...
> > > Hey all i have a 97 wrangler sahara that came standard with the 30"
> > > wheel package and i was wondering what axle and gearing it has. Im
> > > almost sure its a dana 35 but the tag on the left rear reads 3.55
> > > gears. I do not have any factory limited slips or anything so im
> > > guessing it was a mistake by the dealer. Is it possible that the
> > > dealer slapped on the 3.55 gear tag on a dana 35 or does this tag mean
> > > that my housing actually has 3.55's and my axle is in fact a dana 44?
> > > Any input would be appreciated.
They didn't start shipping 3.73 gears in the 44 until at least 99 or
2000. The 97s (and I think the 98s), when equipped with a 44, came
with 3.55 gears. All 44s came/come with the limited slip.
When I looked up the included equipment for my Jeep, I concluded the
seller wasn't lying about the 44 (I hadn't gone and looked at the rig
yet at that time to verify), either because what I read said the
sahara edition from 97 always came with a 44, or, more likely, because
he'd also told me it had a 3.55:1 ratio, and THAT coincided with
having a 44 in the rear on whatever I was reading. I wish I could find
the old link.
Also, every jeep I looked at when I was hunting didn't have ABS (I
didn't bother looking if it did, as I knew it wouldn't have the 44),
so I don't even consider that in my thinking ;-)
I do think you're right, though, that I was mistaken in my memory
thinking that the 44 was standard on the 97 sahara.
Anyway, enough conjecture. I think we're both just
pseudo-guessing/remembering here anyway.
Wouldn't it be nice to hear from the OP what he found out so we can
stop this debate? ;-)
/Bob
"Jerry McG" <gmcgeorge.remove@frontier.net> wrote in message news:<c8t16k01hsc@enews2.newsguy.com>...
> Ok, here's what I remember regarding the TJ D44. It has always been an
> option, about $500, and excepot for the current Rubicon has never been
> "standard" on any model, including the Sahara. D44s do not come with ABS.
>
> 3.55 gears and ABS indicate a Dana 35 with trac-loc limited slip
> differential. Dana 44s are equipped with 3.78s and all that I've seen have
> the trac-loc, though I'm told some do not.
>
> Used to be if you ordered the 30" wheel & tire group you also had to get
> the D44, not sure that has continued because I've seen a few on the used
> market with the 30" wheels & tires that had D35s.
>
> "Bob" <magicclaw@mac.com> wrote in message
> news:47b769ae.0405240510.38bf9186@posting.google.c om...
> > I'm not 100% sure on this, but damn close -- I think you probably have
> > a D44 in the rear.
> >
> > I have a 1997 Sahara as well, and it has (or actually had) 3.55 gears,
> > and has a Dana 44 rear. I believe, from what I read when I was buying
> > this jeep a couple years ago (I could be mistaken, it was a couple
> > years ago, after all), that the 3.55 gearing implies the Dana 44. It's
> > even possible the Dana 44 upgrade was an included part of the Sahara
> > package in 1997. The only caveat to this is if you have ABS. Since I
> > knew I wasn't getting ABS, though, that didn't even enter my thinking,
> > and I didn't look at how that affected any options as a result. Either
> > way, my vote is you probably have a Dana 44, pending the outcome of
> > your comparison to the pictures on the link Bill posted.
> >
> > Let us know! I'd certainly like to know if I'm way off base in what I
> > remember.
> >
> >
> > dirk44@aol.com (Derek Proctor) wrote in message
> news:<3ade3bcf.0405231707.4f8518f3@posting.google. com>...
> > > Hey all i have a 97 wrangler sahara that came standard with the 30"
> > > wheel package and i was wondering what axle and gearing it has. Im
> > > almost sure its a dana 35 but the tag on the left rear reads 3.55
> > > gears. I do not have any factory limited slips or anything so im
> > > guessing it was a mistake by the dealer. Is it possible that the
> > > dealer slapped on the 3.55 gear tag on a dana 35 or does this tag mean
> > > that my housing actually has 3.55's and my axle is in fact a dana 44?
> > > Any input would be appreciated.
#68
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Posts: n/a
Re: Jeep Wrangler TJ axle type???
Ok, here's what I remember:
They didn't start shipping 3.73 gears in the 44 until at least 99 or
2000. The 97s (and I think the 98s), when equipped with a 44, came
with 3.55 gears. All 44s came/come with the limited slip.
When I looked up the included equipment for my Jeep, I concluded the
seller wasn't lying about the 44 (I hadn't gone and looked at the rig
yet at that time to verify), either because what I read said the
sahara edition from 97 always came with a 44, or, more likely, because
he'd also told me it had a 3.55:1 ratio, and THAT coincided with
having a 44 in the rear on whatever I was reading. I wish I could find
the old link.
Also, every jeep I looked at when I was hunting didn't have ABS (I
didn't bother looking if it did, as I knew it wouldn't have the 44),
so I don't even consider that in my thinking ;-)
I do think you're right, though, that I was mistaken in my memory
thinking that the 44 was standard on the 97 sahara.
Anyway, enough conjecture. I think we're both just
pseudo-guessing/remembering here anyway.
Wouldn't it be nice to hear from the OP what he found out so we can
stop this debate? ;-)
/Bob
"Jerry McG" <gmcgeorge.remove@frontier.net> wrote in message news:<c8t16k01hsc@enews2.newsguy.com>...
> Ok, here's what I remember regarding the TJ D44. It has always been an
> option, about $500, and excepot for the current Rubicon has never been
> "standard" on any model, including the Sahara. D44s do not come with ABS.
>
> 3.55 gears and ABS indicate a Dana 35 with trac-loc limited slip
> differential. Dana 44s are equipped with 3.78s and all that I've seen have
> the trac-loc, though I'm told some do not.
>
> Used to be if you ordered the 30" wheel & tire group you also had to get
> the D44, not sure that has continued because I've seen a few on the used
> market with the 30" wheels & tires that had D35s.
>
> "Bob" <magicclaw@mac.com> wrote in message
> news:47b769ae.0405240510.38bf9186@posting.google.c om...
> > I'm not 100% sure on this, but damn close -- I think you probably have
> > a D44 in the rear.
> >
> > I have a 1997 Sahara as well, and it has (or actually had) 3.55 gears,
> > and has a Dana 44 rear. I believe, from what I read when I was buying
> > this jeep a couple years ago (I could be mistaken, it was a couple
> > years ago, after all), that the 3.55 gearing implies the Dana 44. It's
> > even possible the Dana 44 upgrade was an included part of the Sahara
> > package in 1997. The only caveat to this is if you have ABS. Since I
> > knew I wasn't getting ABS, though, that didn't even enter my thinking,
> > and I didn't look at how that affected any options as a result. Either
> > way, my vote is you probably have a Dana 44, pending the outcome of
> > your comparison to the pictures on the link Bill posted.
> >
> > Let us know! I'd certainly like to know if I'm way off base in what I
> > remember.
> >
> >
> > dirk44@aol.com (Derek Proctor) wrote in message
> news:<3ade3bcf.0405231707.4f8518f3@posting.google. com>...
> > > Hey all i have a 97 wrangler sahara that came standard with the 30"
> > > wheel package and i was wondering what axle and gearing it has. Im
> > > almost sure its a dana 35 but the tag on the left rear reads 3.55
> > > gears. I do not have any factory limited slips or anything so im
> > > guessing it was a mistake by the dealer. Is it possible that the
> > > dealer slapped on the 3.55 gear tag on a dana 35 or does this tag mean
> > > that my housing actually has 3.55's and my axle is in fact a dana 44?
> > > Any input would be appreciated.
They didn't start shipping 3.73 gears in the 44 until at least 99 or
2000. The 97s (and I think the 98s), when equipped with a 44, came
with 3.55 gears. All 44s came/come with the limited slip.
When I looked up the included equipment for my Jeep, I concluded the
seller wasn't lying about the 44 (I hadn't gone and looked at the rig
yet at that time to verify), either because what I read said the
sahara edition from 97 always came with a 44, or, more likely, because
he'd also told me it had a 3.55:1 ratio, and THAT coincided with
having a 44 in the rear on whatever I was reading. I wish I could find
the old link.
Also, every jeep I looked at when I was hunting didn't have ABS (I
didn't bother looking if it did, as I knew it wouldn't have the 44),
so I don't even consider that in my thinking ;-)
I do think you're right, though, that I was mistaken in my memory
thinking that the 44 was standard on the 97 sahara.
Anyway, enough conjecture. I think we're both just
pseudo-guessing/remembering here anyway.
Wouldn't it be nice to hear from the OP what he found out so we can
stop this debate? ;-)
/Bob
"Jerry McG" <gmcgeorge.remove@frontier.net> wrote in message news:<c8t16k01hsc@enews2.newsguy.com>...
> Ok, here's what I remember regarding the TJ D44. It has always been an
> option, about $500, and excepot for the current Rubicon has never been
> "standard" on any model, including the Sahara. D44s do not come with ABS.
>
> 3.55 gears and ABS indicate a Dana 35 with trac-loc limited slip
> differential. Dana 44s are equipped with 3.78s and all that I've seen have
> the trac-loc, though I'm told some do not.
>
> Used to be if you ordered the 30" wheel & tire group you also had to get
> the D44, not sure that has continued because I've seen a few on the used
> market with the 30" wheels & tires that had D35s.
>
> "Bob" <magicclaw@mac.com> wrote in message
> news:47b769ae.0405240510.38bf9186@posting.google.c om...
> > I'm not 100% sure on this, but damn close -- I think you probably have
> > a D44 in the rear.
> >
> > I have a 1997 Sahara as well, and it has (or actually had) 3.55 gears,
> > and has a Dana 44 rear. I believe, from what I read when I was buying
> > this jeep a couple years ago (I could be mistaken, it was a couple
> > years ago, after all), that the 3.55 gearing implies the Dana 44. It's
> > even possible the Dana 44 upgrade was an included part of the Sahara
> > package in 1997. The only caveat to this is if you have ABS. Since I
> > knew I wasn't getting ABS, though, that didn't even enter my thinking,
> > and I didn't look at how that affected any options as a result. Either
> > way, my vote is you probably have a Dana 44, pending the outcome of
> > your comparison to the pictures on the link Bill posted.
> >
> > Let us know! I'd certainly like to know if I'm way off base in what I
> > remember.
> >
> >
> > dirk44@aol.com (Derek Proctor) wrote in message
> news:<3ade3bcf.0405231707.4f8518f3@posting.google. com>...
> > > Hey all i have a 97 wrangler sahara that came standard with the 30"
> > > wheel package and i was wondering what axle and gearing it has. Im
> > > almost sure its a dana 35 but the tag on the left rear reads 3.55
> > > gears. I do not have any factory limited slips or anything so im
> > > guessing it was a mistake by the dealer. Is it possible that the
> > > dealer slapped on the 3.55 gear tag on a dana 35 or does this tag mean
> > > that my housing actually has 3.55's and my axle is in fact a dana 44?
> > > Any input would be appreciated.
#69
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Jeep Wrangler TJ axle type???
Ok, here's what I remember:
They didn't start shipping 3.73 gears in the 44 until at least 99 or
2000. The 97s (and I think the 98s), when equipped with a 44, came
with 3.55 gears. All 44s came/come with the limited slip.
When I looked up the included equipment for my Jeep, I concluded the
seller wasn't lying about the 44 (I hadn't gone and looked at the rig
yet at that time to verify), either because what I read said the
sahara edition from 97 always came with a 44, or, more likely, because
he'd also told me it had a 3.55:1 ratio, and THAT coincided with
having a 44 in the rear on whatever I was reading. I wish I could find
the old link.
Also, every jeep I looked at when I was hunting didn't have ABS (I
didn't bother looking if it did, as I knew it wouldn't have the 44),
so I don't even consider that in my thinking ;-)
I do think you're right, though, that I was mistaken in my memory
thinking that the 44 was standard on the 97 sahara.
Anyway, enough conjecture. I think we're both just
pseudo-guessing/remembering here anyway.
Wouldn't it be nice to hear from the OP what he found out so we can
stop this debate? ;-)
/Bob
"Jerry McG" <gmcgeorge.remove@frontier.net> wrote in message news:<c8t16k01hsc@enews2.newsguy.com>...
> Ok, here's what I remember regarding the TJ D44. It has always been an
> option, about $500, and excepot for the current Rubicon has never been
> "standard" on any model, including the Sahara. D44s do not come with ABS.
>
> 3.55 gears and ABS indicate a Dana 35 with trac-loc limited slip
> differential. Dana 44s are equipped with 3.78s and all that I've seen have
> the trac-loc, though I'm told some do not.
>
> Used to be if you ordered the 30" wheel & tire group you also had to get
> the D44, not sure that has continued because I've seen a few on the used
> market with the 30" wheels & tires that had D35s.
>
> "Bob" <magicclaw@mac.com> wrote in message
> news:47b769ae.0405240510.38bf9186@posting.google.c om...
> > I'm not 100% sure on this, but damn close -- I think you probably have
> > a D44 in the rear.
> >
> > I have a 1997 Sahara as well, and it has (or actually had) 3.55 gears,
> > and has a Dana 44 rear. I believe, from what I read when I was buying
> > this jeep a couple years ago (I could be mistaken, it was a couple
> > years ago, after all), that the 3.55 gearing implies the Dana 44. It's
> > even possible the Dana 44 upgrade was an included part of the Sahara
> > package in 1997. The only caveat to this is if you have ABS. Since I
> > knew I wasn't getting ABS, though, that didn't even enter my thinking,
> > and I didn't look at how that affected any options as a result. Either
> > way, my vote is you probably have a Dana 44, pending the outcome of
> > your comparison to the pictures on the link Bill posted.
> >
> > Let us know! I'd certainly like to know if I'm way off base in what I
> > remember.
> >
> >
> > dirk44@aol.com (Derek Proctor) wrote in message
> news:<3ade3bcf.0405231707.4f8518f3@posting.google. com>...
> > > Hey all i have a 97 wrangler sahara that came standard with the 30"
> > > wheel package and i was wondering what axle and gearing it has. Im
> > > almost sure its a dana 35 but the tag on the left rear reads 3.55
> > > gears. I do not have any factory limited slips or anything so im
> > > guessing it was a mistake by the dealer. Is it possible that the
> > > dealer slapped on the 3.55 gear tag on a dana 35 or does this tag mean
> > > that my housing actually has 3.55's and my axle is in fact a dana 44?
> > > Any input would be appreciated.
They didn't start shipping 3.73 gears in the 44 until at least 99 or
2000. The 97s (and I think the 98s), when equipped with a 44, came
with 3.55 gears. All 44s came/come with the limited slip.
When I looked up the included equipment for my Jeep, I concluded the
seller wasn't lying about the 44 (I hadn't gone and looked at the rig
yet at that time to verify), either because what I read said the
sahara edition from 97 always came with a 44, or, more likely, because
he'd also told me it had a 3.55:1 ratio, and THAT coincided with
having a 44 in the rear on whatever I was reading. I wish I could find
the old link.
Also, every jeep I looked at when I was hunting didn't have ABS (I
didn't bother looking if it did, as I knew it wouldn't have the 44),
so I don't even consider that in my thinking ;-)
I do think you're right, though, that I was mistaken in my memory
thinking that the 44 was standard on the 97 sahara.
Anyway, enough conjecture. I think we're both just
pseudo-guessing/remembering here anyway.
Wouldn't it be nice to hear from the OP what he found out so we can
stop this debate? ;-)
/Bob
"Jerry McG" <gmcgeorge.remove@frontier.net> wrote in message news:<c8t16k01hsc@enews2.newsguy.com>...
> Ok, here's what I remember regarding the TJ D44. It has always been an
> option, about $500, and excepot for the current Rubicon has never been
> "standard" on any model, including the Sahara. D44s do not come with ABS.
>
> 3.55 gears and ABS indicate a Dana 35 with trac-loc limited slip
> differential. Dana 44s are equipped with 3.78s and all that I've seen have
> the trac-loc, though I'm told some do not.
>
> Used to be if you ordered the 30" wheel & tire group you also had to get
> the D44, not sure that has continued because I've seen a few on the used
> market with the 30" wheels & tires that had D35s.
>
> "Bob" <magicclaw@mac.com> wrote in message
> news:47b769ae.0405240510.38bf9186@posting.google.c om...
> > I'm not 100% sure on this, but damn close -- I think you probably have
> > a D44 in the rear.
> >
> > I have a 1997 Sahara as well, and it has (or actually had) 3.55 gears,
> > and has a Dana 44 rear. I believe, from what I read when I was buying
> > this jeep a couple years ago (I could be mistaken, it was a couple
> > years ago, after all), that the 3.55 gearing implies the Dana 44. It's
> > even possible the Dana 44 upgrade was an included part of the Sahara
> > package in 1997. The only caveat to this is if you have ABS. Since I
> > knew I wasn't getting ABS, though, that didn't even enter my thinking,
> > and I didn't look at how that affected any options as a result. Either
> > way, my vote is you probably have a Dana 44, pending the outcome of
> > your comparison to the pictures on the link Bill posted.
> >
> > Let us know! I'd certainly like to know if I'm way off base in what I
> > remember.
> >
> >
> > dirk44@aol.com (Derek Proctor) wrote in message
> news:<3ade3bcf.0405231707.4f8518f3@posting.google. com>...
> > > Hey all i have a 97 wrangler sahara that came standard with the 30"
> > > wheel package and i was wondering what axle and gearing it has. Im
> > > almost sure its a dana 35 but the tag on the left rear reads 3.55
> > > gears. I do not have any factory limited slips or anything so im
> > > guessing it was a mistake by the dealer. Is it possible that the
> > > dealer slapped on the 3.55 gear tag on a dana 35 or does this tag mean
> > > that my housing actually has 3.55's and my axle is in fact a dana 44?
> > > Any input would be appreciated.
#70
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Re: Jeep Wrangler TJ axle type???
okay, I'm just stoking the fire here.
Given that we know most SUV owners - and that includes Wranglers - are
not driven off-road, and even most of those that are do not go "serious"
off-roading.... is it really a bad business decision to make the D35c
the stock axle? Don't the vast majority of Wrangler owners (which is
probably a minority in this newsgroup) get years of satisfactory use out
of their D35c axles without breakage? Again, I'm talking about the vast
majority of Wrangler owners, not the majority of this group.
B
--
Brian Heller
It is easier to tame wild beasts
than to conquer the human mind.
Given that we know most SUV owners - and that includes Wranglers - are
not driven off-road, and even most of those that are do not go "serious"
off-roading.... is it really a bad business decision to make the D35c
the stock axle? Don't the vast majority of Wrangler owners (which is
probably a minority in this newsgroup) get years of satisfactory use out
of their D35c axles without breakage? Again, I'm talking about the vast
majority of Wrangler owners, not the majority of this group.
B
--
Brian Heller
It is easier to tame wild beasts
than to conquer the human mind.