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Jeep Wrangler Rubicon
I own a '94 XJ right now and am thinking about getting a new Rubicon as a
third vehicle that I can use as a convertible, fun vehicle in the summer and to take on the trail every once in a while. My other option is to get a slightly used Wrangler (2000 or newer) and add a slight lift. What I am finding is that 2000 or newer low-mileage I-6 Wranglers retain their value pretty well and the price of the new Rubicon is well within my range, so I am leaning towards the new Rubicon. Any thoughts about my thinking above? Any opinions about the Rubicon? Thanks. |
Re: Jeep Wrangler Rubicon
"JW" <jw1@wanghome.com> wrote in message
news:XqCdnSq35KlpM43d4p2dnA@comcast.com... > Any thoughts about my thinking above? Any opinions about the Rubicon? what about a used rubicon? whether you go new or used if its in your budget the rubicon is a smart move. i have a _lot_ of video where tj's are climbing just fine on a slick slope until one wheel goes up and suddenly they have 3 wheel drive (essentially 2 wheel drive because the 1 pulling in the front is in the air catching nothing leaving only the back axle pulling) stopping them in their tracks. with the rubicon you push the magic go button and continue on. there are a _lot_ of advantages to the rubicon and definately worth the added expense. -- Nathan W. Collier http://7SlotGrille.com http://UtilityOffRoad.com |
Re: Jeep Wrangler Rubicon
"JW" <jw1@wanghome.com> wrote in message
news:XqCdnSq35KlpM43d4p2dnA@comcast.com... > Any thoughts about my thinking above? Any opinions about the Rubicon? what about a used rubicon? whether you go new or used if its in your budget the rubicon is a smart move. i have a _lot_ of video where tj's are climbing just fine on a slick slope until one wheel goes up and suddenly they have 3 wheel drive (essentially 2 wheel drive because the 1 pulling in the front is in the air catching nothing leaving only the back axle pulling) stopping them in their tracks. with the rubicon you push the magic go button and continue on. there are a _lot_ of advantages to the rubicon and definately worth the added expense. -- Nathan W. Collier http://7SlotGrille.com http://UtilityOffRoad.com |
Re: Jeep Wrangler Rubicon
"JW" <jw1@wanghome.com> wrote in message
news:XqCdnSq35KlpM43d4p2dnA@comcast.com... > Any thoughts about my thinking above? Any opinions about the Rubicon? what about a used rubicon? whether you go new or used if its in your budget the rubicon is a smart move. i have a _lot_ of video where tj's are climbing just fine on a slick slope until one wheel goes up and suddenly they have 3 wheel drive (essentially 2 wheel drive because the 1 pulling in the front is in the air catching nothing leaving only the back axle pulling) stopping them in their tracks. with the rubicon you push the magic go button and continue on. there are a _lot_ of advantages to the rubicon and definately worth the added expense. -- Nathan W. Collier http://7SlotGrille.com http://UtilityOffRoad.com |
Re: Jeep Wrangler Rubicon
I looked at used Rubicons...
According to Edmunds.com, the TMV for a new 2004 Rubicon with A/C and theft deterrent system is $23,831 after $2,000 cash rebate and with 0% interest. Doing some time value of money calculations with cost of money at 4.5% translates that 0% interest for 36 months for $23,831 to another $1,500 or so in savings for an effective price of around $22,300. There are twelve 2003 and 2004 Rubicons within 250 miles of my house and they range from $21,500 to $33,995. Umm... Sorry, but I'll take the new one for $22,300. It also gives me a warm and fuzzy feeling that these people are selling used 2003 Rubicons for about the price of new 2004 Rubicons (but who knows if they are actually moving them). -JW "Nathan Collier" <JeepMail@7SlotGrille.com> wrote in message news:_p2Qb.5602$5K1.355389@twister.southeast.rr.co m... > "JW" <jw1@wanghome.com> wrote in message > news:XqCdnSq35KlpM43d4p2dnA@comcast.com... > > Any thoughts about my thinking above? Any opinions about the Rubicon? > > what about a used rubicon? whether you go new or used if its in your budget > the rubicon is a smart move. i have a _lot_ of video where tj's are > climbing just fine on a slick slope until one wheel goes up and suddenly > they have 3 wheel drive (essentially 2 wheel drive because the 1 pulling in > the front is in the air catching nothing leaving only the back axle pulling) > stopping them in their tracks. with the rubicon you push the magic go > button and continue on. there are a _lot_ of advantages to the rubicon and > definately worth the added expense. > > -- > Nathan W. Collier > http://7SlotGrille.com > http://UtilityOffRoad.com > > > |
Re: Jeep Wrangler Rubicon
I looked at used Rubicons...
According to Edmunds.com, the TMV for a new 2004 Rubicon with A/C and theft deterrent system is $23,831 after $2,000 cash rebate and with 0% interest. Doing some time value of money calculations with cost of money at 4.5% translates that 0% interest for 36 months for $23,831 to another $1,500 or so in savings for an effective price of around $22,300. There are twelve 2003 and 2004 Rubicons within 250 miles of my house and they range from $21,500 to $33,995. Umm... Sorry, but I'll take the new one for $22,300. It also gives me a warm and fuzzy feeling that these people are selling used 2003 Rubicons for about the price of new 2004 Rubicons (but who knows if they are actually moving them). -JW "Nathan Collier" <JeepMail@7SlotGrille.com> wrote in message news:_p2Qb.5602$5K1.355389@twister.southeast.rr.co m... > "JW" <jw1@wanghome.com> wrote in message > news:XqCdnSq35KlpM43d4p2dnA@comcast.com... > > Any thoughts about my thinking above? Any opinions about the Rubicon? > > what about a used rubicon? whether you go new or used if its in your budget > the rubicon is a smart move. i have a _lot_ of video where tj's are > climbing just fine on a slick slope until one wheel goes up and suddenly > they have 3 wheel drive (essentially 2 wheel drive because the 1 pulling in > the front is in the air catching nothing leaving only the back axle pulling) > stopping them in their tracks. with the rubicon you push the magic go > button and continue on. there are a _lot_ of advantages to the rubicon and > definately worth the added expense. > > -- > Nathan W. Collier > http://7SlotGrille.com > http://UtilityOffRoad.com > > > |
Re: Jeep Wrangler Rubicon
I looked at used Rubicons...
According to Edmunds.com, the TMV for a new 2004 Rubicon with A/C and theft deterrent system is $23,831 after $2,000 cash rebate and with 0% interest. Doing some time value of money calculations with cost of money at 4.5% translates that 0% interest for 36 months for $23,831 to another $1,500 or so in savings for an effective price of around $22,300. There are twelve 2003 and 2004 Rubicons within 250 miles of my house and they range from $21,500 to $33,995. Umm... Sorry, but I'll take the new one for $22,300. It also gives me a warm and fuzzy feeling that these people are selling used 2003 Rubicons for about the price of new 2004 Rubicons (but who knows if they are actually moving them). -JW "Nathan Collier" <JeepMail@7SlotGrille.com> wrote in message news:_p2Qb.5602$5K1.355389@twister.southeast.rr.co m... > "JW" <jw1@wanghome.com> wrote in message > news:XqCdnSq35KlpM43d4p2dnA@comcast.com... > > Any thoughts about my thinking above? Any opinions about the Rubicon? > > what about a used rubicon? whether you go new or used if its in your budget > the rubicon is a smart move. i have a _lot_ of video where tj's are > climbing just fine on a slick slope until one wheel goes up and suddenly > they have 3 wheel drive (essentially 2 wheel drive because the 1 pulling in > the front is in the air catching nothing leaving only the back axle pulling) > stopping them in their tracks. with the rubicon you push the magic go > button and continue on. there are a _lot_ of advantages to the rubicon and > definately worth the added expense. > > -- > Nathan W. Collier > http://7SlotGrille.com > http://UtilityOffRoad.com > > > |
Re: Jeep Wrangler Rubicon
"JW" <jw1@wanghome.com> wrote in message
news:o-mdnTIFx64aJY3dRVn-ig@comcast.com... > There are twelve 2003 and 2004 Rubicons within 250 miles of my house and > they range from $21,500 to $33,995. Umm... Sorry, but I'll take the new one > for $22,300. it really depends on how its equipped. you wont get a fully dressed rubicon for anywhere near $22,300. if youre looking for a bottom end rubicon you should be able to find one used for under $20k easily. > It also gives me a warm and fuzzy feeling that these people are > selling used 2003 Rubicons for about the price of new 2004 Rubicons (but who > knows if they are actually moving them). i paid just over $30k for mine fully dressed (dual tops, a/c, automatic tranny, cruise, 7 speaker, the works) about 8 or 9 months ago and tried selling it for $23,800. best i could do was around $21,000 so i decided to just keep it. they dont seem to hold their value like i had hoped, i just dont believe a vehicle loses $33% of its value in less than a year. 20% maybe, but not 33%. since i can write it off anyway as a legitimate business expense ill still get the new truck i wanted (after tax season) so maybe it worked out for the best. -- Nathan W. Collier http://7SlotGrille.com http://UtilityOffRoad.com |
Re: Jeep Wrangler Rubicon
"JW" <jw1@wanghome.com> wrote in message
news:o-mdnTIFx64aJY3dRVn-ig@comcast.com... > There are twelve 2003 and 2004 Rubicons within 250 miles of my house and > they range from $21,500 to $33,995. Umm... Sorry, but I'll take the new one > for $22,300. it really depends on how its equipped. you wont get a fully dressed rubicon for anywhere near $22,300. if youre looking for a bottom end rubicon you should be able to find one used for under $20k easily. > It also gives me a warm and fuzzy feeling that these people are > selling used 2003 Rubicons for about the price of new 2004 Rubicons (but who > knows if they are actually moving them). i paid just over $30k for mine fully dressed (dual tops, a/c, automatic tranny, cruise, 7 speaker, the works) about 8 or 9 months ago and tried selling it for $23,800. best i could do was around $21,000 so i decided to just keep it. they dont seem to hold their value like i had hoped, i just dont believe a vehicle loses $33% of its value in less than a year. 20% maybe, but not 33%. since i can write it off anyway as a legitimate business expense ill still get the new truck i wanted (after tax season) so maybe it worked out for the best. -- Nathan W. Collier http://7SlotGrille.com http://UtilityOffRoad.com |
Re: Jeep Wrangler Rubicon
"JW" <jw1@wanghome.com> wrote in message
news:o-mdnTIFx64aJY3dRVn-ig@comcast.com... > There are twelve 2003 and 2004 Rubicons within 250 miles of my house and > they range from $21,500 to $33,995. Umm... Sorry, but I'll take the new one > for $22,300. it really depends on how its equipped. you wont get a fully dressed rubicon for anywhere near $22,300. if youre looking for a bottom end rubicon you should be able to find one used for under $20k easily. > It also gives me a warm and fuzzy feeling that these people are > selling used 2003 Rubicons for about the price of new 2004 Rubicons (but who > knows if they are actually moving them). i paid just over $30k for mine fully dressed (dual tops, a/c, automatic tranny, cruise, 7 speaker, the works) about 8 or 9 months ago and tried selling it for $23,800. best i could do was around $21,000 so i decided to just keep it. they dont seem to hold their value like i had hoped, i just dont believe a vehicle loses $33% of its value in less than a year. 20% maybe, but not 33%. since i can write it off anyway as a legitimate business expense ill still get the new truck i wanted (after tax season) so maybe it worked out for the best. -- Nathan W. Collier http://7SlotGrille.com http://UtilityOffRoad.com |
Re: Jeep Wrangler Rubicon
Overkill IMO.... to "take on the trail every once in a while" you're
paying for a lot more vehicle than it sounds like you need. That being said, if you can afford the Rubicon and it's what you really want, by all means go for it. :) Dave http://mysite.verizon.net/res0p2es/david/index.htm On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 00:22:22 -0500, "JW" <jw1@wanghome.com> wrote: >I own a '94 XJ right now and am thinking about getting a new Rubicon as a >third vehicle that I can use as a convertible, fun vehicle in the summer and >to take on the trail every once in a while. My other option is to get a >slightly used Wrangler (2000 or newer) and add a slight lift. What I am >finding is that 2000 or newer low-mileage I-6 Wranglers retain their value >pretty well and the price of the new Rubicon is well within my range, so I >am leaning towards the new Rubicon. > >Any thoughts about my thinking above? Any opinions about the Rubicon? > >Thanks. > > |
Re: Jeep Wrangler Rubicon
Overkill IMO.... to "take on the trail every once in a while" you're
paying for a lot more vehicle than it sounds like you need. That being said, if you can afford the Rubicon and it's what you really want, by all means go for it. :) Dave http://mysite.verizon.net/res0p2es/david/index.htm On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 00:22:22 -0500, "JW" <jw1@wanghome.com> wrote: >I own a '94 XJ right now and am thinking about getting a new Rubicon as a >third vehicle that I can use as a convertible, fun vehicle in the summer and >to take on the trail every once in a while. My other option is to get a >slightly used Wrangler (2000 or newer) and add a slight lift. What I am >finding is that 2000 or newer low-mileage I-6 Wranglers retain their value >pretty well and the price of the new Rubicon is well within my range, so I >am leaning towards the new Rubicon. > >Any thoughts about my thinking above? Any opinions about the Rubicon? > >Thanks. > > |
Re: Jeep Wrangler Rubicon
Overkill IMO.... to "take on the trail every once in a while" you're
paying for a lot more vehicle than it sounds like you need. That being said, if you can afford the Rubicon and it's what you really want, by all means go for it. :) Dave http://mysite.verizon.net/res0p2es/david/index.htm On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 00:22:22 -0500, "JW" <jw1@wanghome.com> wrote: >I own a '94 XJ right now and am thinking about getting a new Rubicon as a >third vehicle that I can use as a convertible, fun vehicle in the summer and >to take on the trail every once in a while. My other option is to get a >slightly used Wrangler (2000 or newer) and add a slight lift. What I am >finding is that 2000 or newer low-mileage I-6 Wranglers retain their value >pretty well and the price of the new Rubicon is well within my range, so I >am leaning towards the new Rubicon. > >Any thoughts about my thinking above? Any opinions about the Rubicon? > >Thanks. > > |
Re: Jeep Wrangler Rubicon
I agree with David... for your described usage, the Rubi is more than you
need. If you won't ever need the lockers and 4 to 1 low range, then maybe a dressed out Sahara or Sport would be better suited. But if a loaded Rubi is in your budget, then why not have it all! -- JimG 80' CJ-7, 258 CID 35" BFG MT's on 15x10 Centerlines 4.56 D30-D44 SOA D300 w/4:1 & Currie twin sticks Warn 8000i w/dual batteries LockRight F&R "JW" <jw1@wanghome.com> wrote in message news:XqCdnSq35KlpM43d4p2dnA@comcast.com... > I own a '94 XJ right now and am thinking about getting a new Rubicon as a > third vehicle that I can use as a convertible, fun vehicle in the summer and > to take on the trail every once in a while. My other option is to get a > slightly used Wrangler (2000 or newer) and add a slight lift. What I am > finding is that 2000 or newer low-mileage I-6 Wranglers retain their value > pretty well and the price of the new Rubicon is well within my range, so I > am leaning towards the new Rubicon. > > Any thoughts about my thinking above? Any opinions about the Rubicon? > > Thanks. > > > |
Re: Jeep Wrangler Rubicon
I agree with David... for your described usage, the Rubi is more than you
need. If you won't ever need the lockers and 4 to 1 low range, then maybe a dressed out Sahara or Sport would be better suited. But if a loaded Rubi is in your budget, then why not have it all! -- JimG 80' CJ-7, 258 CID 35" BFG MT's on 15x10 Centerlines 4.56 D30-D44 SOA D300 w/4:1 & Currie twin sticks Warn 8000i w/dual batteries LockRight F&R "JW" <jw1@wanghome.com> wrote in message news:XqCdnSq35KlpM43d4p2dnA@comcast.com... > I own a '94 XJ right now and am thinking about getting a new Rubicon as a > third vehicle that I can use as a convertible, fun vehicle in the summer and > to take on the trail every once in a while. My other option is to get a > slightly used Wrangler (2000 or newer) and add a slight lift. What I am > finding is that 2000 or newer low-mileage I-6 Wranglers retain their value > pretty well and the price of the new Rubicon is well within my range, so I > am leaning towards the new Rubicon. > > Any thoughts about my thinking above? Any opinions about the Rubicon? > > Thanks. > > > |
Re: Jeep Wrangler Rubicon
I agree with David... for your described usage, the Rubi is more than you
need. If you won't ever need the lockers and 4 to 1 low range, then maybe a dressed out Sahara or Sport would be better suited. But if a loaded Rubi is in your budget, then why not have it all! -- JimG 80' CJ-7, 258 CID 35" BFG MT's on 15x10 Centerlines 4.56 D30-D44 SOA D300 w/4:1 & Currie twin sticks Warn 8000i w/dual batteries LockRight F&R "JW" <jw1@wanghome.com> wrote in message news:XqCdnSq35KlpM43d4p2dnA@comcast.com... > I own a '94 XJ right now and am thinking about getting a new Rubicon as a > third vehicle that I can use as a convertible, fun vehicle in the summer and > to take on the trail every once in a while. My other option is to get a > slightly used Wrangler (2000 or newer) and add a slight lift. What I am > finding is that 2000 or newer low-mileage I-6 Wranglers retain their value > pretty well and the price of the new Rubicon is well within my range, so I > am leaning towards the new Rubicon. > > Any thoughts about my thinking above? Any opinions about the Rubicon? > > Thanks. > > > |
Re: Jeep Wrangler Rubicon
I paid around $26k new, for a fully loaded Rubi. Dual tops, auto,
subwoofer, etc. etc. Mainly missing cruise control and an ashtray, I think. At any rate, it was $100 over invoice. If you kill some of the options like HT and auto, you could bring it down to around $24k, I'd imagine. JW wrote: > I looked at used Rubicons... > > According to Edmunds.com, the TMV for a new 2004 Rubicon with A/C and theft > deterrent system is $23,831 after $2,000 cash rebate and with 0% interest. > Doing some time value of money calculations with cost of money at 4.5% > translates that 0% interest for 36 months for $23,831 to another $1,500 or > so in savings for an effective price of around $22,300. > > There are twelve 2003 and 2004 Rubicons within 250 miles of my house and > they range from $21,500 to $33,995. Umm... Sorry, but I'll take the new one > for $22,300. It also gives me a warm and fuzzy feeling that these people are > selling used 2003 Rubicons for about the price of new 2004 Rubicons (but who > knows if they are actually moving them). > > -JW > > > "Nathan Collier" <JeepMail@7SlotGrille.com> wrote in message > news:_p2Qb.5602$5K1.355389@twister.southeast.rr.co m... > >>"JW" <jw1@wanghome.com> wrote in message >>news:XqCdnSq35KlpM43d4p2dnA@comcast.com... >> >>>Any thoughts about my thinking above? Any opinions about the Rubicon? >> >>what about a used rubicon? whether you go new or used if its in your > > budget > >>the rubicon is a smart move. i have a _lot_ of video where tj's are >>climbing just fine on a slick slope until one wheel goes up and suddenly >>they have 3 wheel drive (essentially 2 wheel drive because the 1 pulling > > in > >>the front is in the air catching nothing leaving only the back axle > > pulling) > >>stopping them in their tracks. with the rubicon you push the magic go >>button and continue on. there are a _lot_ of advantages to the rubicon > > and > >>definately worth the added expense. >> >>-- >>Nathan W. Collier >>http://7SlotGrille.com >>http://UtilityOffRoad.com >> >> >> > > > -- __________________________________________________ _________ tw 03 TJ Rubicon 01 XJ Sport There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." -- Dave Barry Pronunciation: 'jEp Function: noun Date: 1940 Etymology: probably from g. p. (abbreviation of general purpose) A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase, 1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in World War II. http://www.7slotgrille.com/jeepers/t...ron/index.html (Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email) __________________________________________________ _________ |
Re: Jeep Wrangler Rubicon
I paid around $26k new, for a fully loaded Rubi. Dual tops, auto,
subwoofer, etc. etc. Mainly missing cruise control and an ashtray, I think. At any rate, it was $100 over invoice. If you kill some of the options like HT and auto, you could bring it down to around $24k, I'd imagine. JW wrote: > I looked at used Rubicons... > > According to Edmunds.com, the TMV for a new 2004 Rubicon with A/C and theft > deterrent system is $23,831 after $2,000 cash rebate and with 0% interest. > Doing some time value of money calculations with cost of money at 4.5% > translates that 0% interest for 36 months for $23,831 to another $1,500 or > so in savings for an effective price of around $22,300. > > There are twelve 2003 and 2004 Rubicons within 250 miles of my house and > they range from $21,500 to $33,995. Umm... Sorry, but I'll take the new one > for $22,300. It also gives me a warm and fuzzy feeling that these people are > selling used 2003 Rubicons for about the price of new 2004 Rubicons (but who > knows if they are actually moving them). > > -JW > > > "Nathan Collier" <JeepMail@7SlotGrille.com> wrote in message > news:_p2Qb.5602$5K1.355389@twister.southeast.rr.co m... > >>"JW" <jw1@wanghome.com> wrote in message >>news:XqCdnSq35KlpM43d4p2dnA@comcast.com... >> >>>Any thoughts about my thinking above? Any opinions about the Rubicon? >> >>what about a used rubicon? whether you go new or used if its in your > > budget > >>the rubicon is a smart move. i have a _lot_ of video where tj's are >>climbing just fine on a slick slope until one wheel goes up and suddenly >>they have 3 wheel drive (essentially 2 wheel drive because the 1 pulling > > in > >>the front is in the air catching nothing leaving only the back axle > > pulling) > >>stopping them in their tracks. with the rubicon you push the magic go >>button and continue on. there are a _lot_ of advantages to the rubicon > > and > >>definately worth the added expense. >> >>-- >>Nathan W. Collier >>http://7SlotGrille.com >>http://UtilityOffRoad.com >> >> >> > > > -- __________________________________________________ _________ tw 03 TJ Rubicon 01 XJ Sport There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." -- Dave Barry Pronunciation: 'jEp Function: noun Date: 1940 Etymology: probably from g. p. (abbreviation of general purpose) A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase, 1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in World War II. http://www.7slotgrille.com/jeepers/t...ron/index.html (Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email) __________________________________________________ _________ |
Re: Jeep Wrangler Rubicon
I paid around $26k new, for a fully loaded Rubi. Dual tops, auto,
subwoofer, etc. etc. Mainly missing cruise control and an ashtray, I think. At any rate, it was $100 over invoice. If you kill some of the options like HT and auto, you could bring it down to around $24k, I'd imagine. JW wrote: > I looked at used Rubicons... > > According to Edmunds.com, the TMV for a new 2004 Rubicon with A/C and theft > deterrent system is $23,831 after $2,000 cash rebate and with 0% interest. > Doing some time value of money calculations with cost of money at 4.5% > translates that 0% interest for 36 months for $23,831 to another $1,500 or > so in savings for an effective price of around $22,300. > > There are twelve 2003 and 2004 Rubicons within 250 miles of my house and > they range from $21,500 to $33,995. Umm... Sorry, but I'll take the new one > for $22,300. It also gives me a warm and fuzzy feeling that these people are > selling used 2003 Rubicons for about the price of new 2004 Rubicons (but who > knows if they are actually moving them). > > -JW > > > "Nathan Collier" <JeepMail@7SlotGrille.com> wrote in message > news:_p2Qb.5602$5K1.355389@twister.southeast.rr.co m... > >>"JW" <jw1@wanghome.com> wrote in message >>news:XqCdnSq35KlpM43d4p2dnA@comcast.com... >> >>>Any thoughts about my thinking above? Any opinions about the Rubicon? >> >>what about a used rubicon? whether you go new or used if its in your > > budget > >>the rubicon is a smart move. i have a _lot_ of video where tj's are >>climbing just fine on a slick slope until one wheel goes up and suddenly >>they have 3 wheel drive (essentially 2 wheel drive because the 1 pulling > > in > >>the front is in the air catching nothing leaving only the back axle > > pulling) > >>stopping them in their tracks. with the rubicon you push the magic go >>button and continue on. there are a _lot_ of advantages to the rubicon > > and > >>definately worth the added expense. >> >>-- >>Nathan W. Collier >>http://7SlotGrille.com >>http://UtilityOffRoad.com >> >> >> > > > -- __________________________________________________ _________ tw 03 TJ Rubicon 01 XJ Sport There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." -- Dave Barry Pronunciation: 'jEp Function: noun Date: 1940 Etymology: probably from g. p. (abbreviation of general purpose) A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase, 1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in World War II. http://www.7slotgrille.com/jeepers/t...ron/index.html (Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email) __________________________________________________ _________ |
Re: Jeep Wrangler Rubicon
"twaldron" <thomas@OBVIOUSrubicons.com> wrote in message
news:Ao9Qb.10798$sT7.5593@newssvr23.news.prodigy.c om... > I paid around $26k new, for a fully loaded Rubi. argh....i forgot i had a couple grand wrap around from my mustang trade in. -- Nathan W. Collier http://7SlotGrille.com http://UtilityOffRoad.com |
Re: Jeep Wrangler Rubicon
"twaldron" <thomas@OBVIOUSrubicons.com> wrote in message
news:Ao9Qb.10798$sT7.5593@newssvr23.news.prodigy.c om... > I paid around $26k new, for a fully loaded Rubi. argh....i forgot i had a couple grand wrap around from my mustang trade in. -- Nathan W. Collier http://7SlotGrille.com http://UtilityOffRoad.com |
Re: Jeep Wrangler Rubicon
"twaldron" <thomas@OBVIOUSrubicons.com> wrote in message
news:Ao9Qb.10798$sT7.5593@newssvr23.news.prodigy.c om... > I paid around $26k new, for a fully loaded Rubi. argh....i forgot i had a couple grand wrap around from my mustang trade in. -- Nathan W. Collier http://7SlotGrille.com http://UtilityOffRoad.com |
Re: Jeep Wrangler Rubicon
Yep, being upside down will bring the new note up a bit. ;)
Nathan Collier wrote: > "twaldron" <thomas@OBVIOUSrubicons.com> wrote in message > news:Ao9Qb.10798$sT7.5593@newssvr23.news.prodigy.c om... > >>I paid around $26k new, for a fully loaded Rubi. > > > argh....i forgot i had a couple grand wrap around from my mustang trade in. > -- __________________________________________________ _________ tw 03 TJ Rubicon 01 XJ Sport There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." -- Dave Barry Pronunciation: 'jEp Function: noun Date: 1940 Etymology: probably from g. p. (abbreviation of general purpose) A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase, 1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in World War II. http://www.7slotgrille.com/jeepers/t...ron/index.html (Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email) __________________________________________________ _________ |
Re: Jeep Wrangler Rubicon
Yep, being upside down will bring the new note up a bit. ;)
Nathan Collier wrote: > "twaldron" <thomas@OBVIOUSrubicons.com> wrote in message > news:Ao9Qb.10798$sT7.5593@newssvr23.news.prodigy.c om... > >>I paid around $26k new, for a fully loaded Rubi. > > > argh....i forgot i had a couple grand wrap around from my mustang trade in. > -- __________________________________________________ _________ tw 03 TJ Rubicon 01 XJ Sport There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." -- Dave Barry Pronunciation: 'jEp Function: noun Date: 1940 Etymology: probably from g. p. (abbreviation of general purpose) A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase, 1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in World War II. http://www.7slotgrille.com/jeepers/t...ron/index.html (Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email) __________________________________________________ _________ |
Re: Jeep Wrangler Rubicon
Yep, being upside down will bring the new note up a bit. ;)
Nathan Collier wrote: > "twaldron" <thomas@OBVIOUSrubicons.com> wrote in message > news:Ao9Qb.10798$sT7.5593@newssvr23.news.prodigy.c om... > >>I paid around $26k new, for a fully loaded Rubi. > > > argh....i forgot i had a couple grand wrap around from my mustang trade in. > -- __________________________________________________ _________ tw 03 TJ Rubicon 01 XJ Sport There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." -- Dave Barry Pronunciation: 'jEp Function: noun Date: 1940 Etymology: probably from g. p. (abbreviation of general purpose) A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase, 1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in World War II. http://www.7slotgrille.com/jeepers/t...ron/index.html (Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email) __________________________________________________ _________ |
Re: Jeep Wrangler Rubicon
On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 01:03:17 -0500, "JW" <jw1@wanghome.com> wrote:
>I looked at used Rubicons... > >According to Edmunds.com, the TMV for a new 2004 Rubicon with A/C and theft >deterrent system is $23,831 after $2,000 cash rebate and with 0% interest. >Doing some time value of money calculations with cost of money at 4.5% >translates that 0% interest for 36 months for $23,831 to another $1,500 or >so in savings for an effective price of around $22,300. Not sure about Chryslers marketting program but with most manufacturers you get EITHER the rebate OR the 0%, not both. Edmunds is horrible about trying to tell everyone they get both. The dealers can't offer what they can't get themselves. As stated above, I'm not sure about Chrysler's programs. |
Re: Jeep Wrangler Rubicon
On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 01:03:17 -0500, "JW" <jw1@wanghome.com> wrote:
>I looked at used Rubicons... > >According to Edmunds.com, the TMV for a new 2004 Rubicon with A/C and theft >deterrent system is $23,831 after $2,000 cash rebate and with 0% interest. >Doing some time value of money calculations with cost of money at 4.5% >translates that 0% interest for 36 months for $23,831 to another $1,500 or >so in savings for an effective price of around $22,300. Not sure about Chryslers marketting program but with most manufacturers you get EITHER the rebate OR the 0%, not both. Edmunds is horrible about trying to tell everyone they get both. The dealers can't offer what they can't get themselves. As stated above, I'm not sure about Chrysler's programs. |
Re: Jeep Wrangler Rubicon
On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 01:03:17 -0500, "JW" <jw1@wanghome.com> wrote:
>I looked at used Rubicons... > >According to Edmunds.com, the TMV for a new 2004 Rubicon with A/C and theft >deterrent system is $23,831 after $2,000 cash rebate and with 0% interest. >Doing some time value of money calculations with cost of money at 4.5% >translates that 0% interest for 36 months for $23,831 to another $1,500 or >so in savings for an effective price of around $22,300. Not sure about Chryslers marketting program but with most manufacturers you get EITHER the rebate OR the 0%, not both. Edmunds is horrible about trying to tell everyone they get both. The dealers can't offer what they can't get themselves. As stated above, I'm not sure about Chrysler's programs. |
Re: Jeep Wrangler Rubicon
On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 07:41:59 GMT, "Nathan Collier"
<JeepMail@7SlotGrille.com> wrote: >i paid just over $30k for mine fully dressed (dual tops, a/c, automatic >tranny, cruise, 7 speaker, the works) about 8 or 9 months ago and tried >selling it for $23,800. best i could do was around $21,000 so i decided to >just keep it. they dont seem to hold their value like i had hoped, i just >dont believe a vehicle loses $33% of its value in less than a year. 20% >maybe, but not 33%. On most vehicles after 9/11 that's pretty much in the ballpark. Why? 0% programs! The same ones you love to get are the ones that are destroying your used car market values. Reason: Payments! You can't get a 0% interest rate on a used car. The best rates out there are 3.5% (if you are the top-tier in credit you may get this) and the average on a 1 year old used car is around 5.5-6.5%. That means that a person would have to be sure that buying a new car wasn't cheaper than buying a used car. Frequently it is! To sell a used vehicle you must make sure that the price of that used vehicle is typically less than that of a new vehicle. It must be low enough that the average used car payment is far enough less than a new car payment to warrant consideration. If you save up to $4,500-6,500 on interest alone (not hard to do with average interest rates on a $25,000 vehicle) then you have to take that off of the lowest price for that kind of vehicle. From there, you have to discount it further since taking that $4,500-6,500 would only have you match the payments on a new one. Then you take into consideration that the vehicle is used, pre-titled, etc. That means it's worth less than a comparable new vehicle. To wit, yes, the values can easily drop 33% in the first year. If you REALLY want a tax write-off try most any of the current Ford 'fleeters'. Focus, Taurus, Explorer (god help those who are nuts enough to buy a 2-door Explorer Sport) and the Sport Trac. Those things can lose as much as 65% as soon as you sign on the title and drive off the lot. For instance, MSRP on a Taurus SES? $26k. Drive off the lot and you are in an $8,500-9k car. Tops. The fleets made damned sure of that. Oh, and god help those in old-body style Blazers after the new trailblazer came out. They are generally buried in them around $7,500 or more. |
Re: Jeep Wrangler Rubicon
On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 07:41:59 GMT, "Nathan Collier"
<JeepMail@7SlotGrille.com> wrote: >i paid just over $30k for mine fully dressed (dual tops, a/c, automatic >tranny, cruise, 7 speaker, the works) about 8 or 9 months ago and tried >selling it for $23,800. best i could do was around $21,000 so i decided to >just keep it. they dont seem to hold their value like i had hoped, i just >dont believe a vehicle loses $33% of its value in less than a year. 20% >maybe, but not 33%. On most vehicles after 9/11 that's pretty much in the ballpark. Why? 0% programs! The same ones you love to get are the ones that are destroying your used car market values. Reason: Payments! You can't get a 0% interest rate on a used car. The best rates out there are 3.5% (if you are the top-tier in credit you may get this) and the average on a 1 year old used car is around 5.5-6.5%. That means that a person would have to be sure that buying a new car wasn't cheaper than buying a used car. Frequently it is! To sell a used vehicle you must make sure that the price of that used vehicle is typically less than that of a new vehicle. It must be low enough that the average used car payment is far enough less than a new car payment to warrant consideration. If you save up to $4,500-6,500 on interest alone (not hard to do with average interest rates on a $25,000 vehicle) then you have to take that off of the lowest price for that kind of vehicle. From there, you have to discount it further since taking that $4,500-6,500 would only have you match the payments on a new one. Then you take into consideration that the vehicle is used, pre-titled, etc. That means it's worth less than a comparable new vehicle. To wit, yes, the values can easily drop 33% in the first year. If you REALLY want a tax write-off try most any of the current Ford 'fleeters'. Focus, Taurus, Explorer (god help those who are nuts enough to buy a 2-door Explorer Sport) and the Sport Trac. Those things can lose as much as 65% as soon as you sign on the title and drive off the lot. For instance, MSRP on a Taurus SES? $26k. Drive off the lot and you are in an $8,500-9k car. Tops. The fleets made damned sure of that. Oh, and god help those in old-body style Blazers after the new trailblazer came out. They are generally buried in them around $7,500 or more. |
Re: Jeep Wrangler Rubicon
On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 07:41:59 GMT, "Nathan Collier"
<JeepMail@7SlotGrille.com> wrote: >i paid just over $30k for mine fully dressed (dual tops, a/c, automatic >tranny, cruise, 7 speaker, the works) about 8 or 9 months ago and tried >selling it for $23,800. best i could do was around $21,000 so i decided to >just keep it. they dont seem to hold their value like i had hoped, i just >dont believe a vehicle loses $33% of its value in less than a year. 20% >maybe, but not 33%. On most vehicles after 9/11 that's pretty much in the ballpark. Why? 0% programs! The same ones you love to get are the ones that are destroying your used car market values. Reason: Payments! You can't get a 0% interest rate on a used car. The best rates out there are 3.5% (if you are the top-tier in credit you may get this) and the average on a 1 year old used car is around 5.5-6.5%. That means that a person would have to be sure that buying a new car wasn't cheaper than buying a used car. Frequently it is! To sell a used vehicle you must make sure that the price of that used vehicle is typically less than that of a new vehicle. It must be low enough that the average used car payment is far enough less than a new car payment to warrant consideration. If you save up to $4,500-6,500 on interest alone (not hard to do with average interest rates on a $25,000 vehicle) then you have to take that off of the lowest price for that kind of vehicle. From there, you have to discount it further since taking that $4,500-6,500 would only have you match the payments on a new one. Then you take into consideration that the vehicle is used, pre-titled, etc. That means it's worth less than a comparable new vehicle. To wit, yes, the values can easily drop 33% in the first year. If you REALLY want a tax write-off try most any of the current Ford 'fleeters'. Focus, Taurus, Explorer (god help those who are nuts enough to buy a 2-door Explorer Sport) and the Sport Trac. Those things can lose as much as 65% as soon as you sign on the title and drive off the lot. For instance, MSRP on a Taurus SES? $26k. Drive off the lot and you are in an $8,500-9k car. Tops. The fleets made damned sure of that. Oh, and god help those in old-body style Blazers after the new trailblazer came out. They are generally buried in them around $7,500 or more. |
Re: Jeep Wrangler Rubicon
DragonRider <DragonRider1@comcast.net> writes:
> On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 01:03:17 -0500, "JW" <jw1@wanghome.com> wrote: > > Not sure about Chryslers marketting program but with most > manufacturers you get EITHER the rebate OR the 0%, not both. Edmunds > is horrible about trying to tell everyone they get both. The dealers > can't offer what they can't get themselves. As stated above, I'm not > sure about Chrysler's programs. I just bought an '04 Sport and got both 0% and $2K rebate. I was also upsidedown on a '99 Land Rover Disco. -- -db- |
Re: Jeep Wrangler Rubicon
DragonRider <DragonRider1@comcast.net> writes:
> On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 01:03:17 -0500, "JW" <jw1@wanghome.com> wrote: > > Not sure about Chryslers marketting program but with most > manufacturers you get EITHER the rebate OR the 0%, not both. Edmunds > is horrible about trying to tell everyone they get both. The dealers > can't offer what they can't get themselves. As stated above, I'm not > sure about Chrysler's programs. I just bought an '04 Sport and got both 0% and $2K rebate. I was also upsidedown on a '99 Land Rover Disco. -- -db- |
Re: Jeep Wrangler Rubicon
DragonRider <DragonRider1@comcast.net> writes:
> On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 01:03:17 -0500, "JW" <jw1@wanghome.com> wrote: > > Not sure about Chryslers marketting program but with most > manufacturers you get EITHER the rebate OR the 0%, not both. Edmunds > is horrible about trying to tell everyone they get both. The dealers > can't offer what they can't get themselves. As stated above, I'm not > sure about Chrysler's programs. I just bought an '04 Sport and got both 0% and $2K rebate. I was also upsidedown on a '99 Land Rover Disco. -- -db- |
Re: Jeep Wrangler Rubicon
Current offer on Jeeps, including Wrangler, is 2K AND 0%. Of course,
incentive programs are subject to fluctuation, but that's what I heard from my local dealer (metro DC). B In article <tge310p8bgtrmm892bl31ai2gpmav773kp@4ax.com>, DragonRider <DragonRider1@comcast.net> wrote: > > Not sure about Chryslers marketting program but with most > manufacturers you get EITHER the rebate OR the 0%, not both. Edmunds > is horrible about trying to tell everyone they get both. The dealers > can't offer what they can't get themselves. As stated above, I'm not > sure about Chrysler's programs. -- Brian Heller It is easier to tame wild beasts than to conquer the human mind. |
Re: Jeep Wrangler Rubicon
Current offer on Jeeps, including Wrangler, is 2K AND 0%. Of course,
incentive programs are subject to fluctuation, but that's what I heard from my local dealer (metro DC). B In article <tge310p8bgtrmm892bl31ai2gpmav773kp@4ax.com>, DragonRider <DragonRider1@comcast.net> wrote: > > Not sure about Chryslers marketting program but with most > manufacturers you get EITHER the rebate OR the 0%, not both. Edmunds > is horrible about trying to tell everyone they get both. The dealers > can't offer what they can't get themselves. As stated above, I'm not > sure about Chrysler's programs. -- Brian Heller It is easier to tame wild beasts than to conquer the human mind. |
Re: Jeep Wrangler Rubicon
Current offer on Jeeps, including Wrangler, is 2K AND 0%. Of course,
incentive programs are subject to fluctuation, but that's what I heard from my local dealer (metro DC). B In article <tge310p8bgtrmm892bl31ai2gpmav773kp@4ax.com>, DragonRider <DragonRider1@comcast.net> wrote: > > Not sure about Chryslers marketting program but with most > manufacturers you get EITHER the rebate OR the 0%, not both. Edmunds > is horrible about trying to tell everyone they get both. The dealers > can't offer what they can't get themselves. As stated above, I'm not > sure about Chrysler's programs. -- Brian Heller It is easier to tame wild beasts than to conquer the human mind. |
Re: Jeep Wrangler Rubicon
On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 02:17:29 GMT, Brian <bsheller@comcast.net> wrote:
>Current offer on Jeeps, including Wrangler, is 2K AND 0%. Of course, >incentive programs are subject to fluctuation, but that's what I heard >from my local dealer (metro DC). It's good to hear they are able to do that.. but unfortunately it means that they believe they HAVE to do that to get the sale. The economy is turning around, but car sales are the last things to get speed. (sigh) |
Re: Jeep Wrangler Rubicon
On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 02:17:29 GMT, Brian <bsheller@comcast.net> wrote:
>Current offer on Jeeps, including Wrangler, is 2K AND 0%. Of course, >incentive programs are subject to fluctuation, but that's what I heard >from my local dealer (metro DC). It's good to hear they are able to do that.. but unfortunately it means that they believe they HAVE to do that to get the sale. The economy is turning around, but car sales are the last things to get speed. (sigh) |
Re: Jeep Wrangler Rubicon
On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 02:17:29 GMT, Brian <bsheller@comcast.net> wrote:
>Current offer on Jeeps, including Wrangler, is 2K AND 0%. Of course, >incentive programs are subject to fluctuation, but that's what I heard >from my local dealer (metro DC). It's good to hear they are able to do that.. but unfortunately it means that they believe they HAVE to do that to get the sale. The economy is turning around, but car sales are the last things to get speed. (sigh) |
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