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Re: Jeep Toad
Add to what Simon says
The Liberty does NOT get good mileage - 16-17 is good for them. Better than my Rubicon, but still pretty yuck for a 6 banger. Kate "Simon Juncal" <SPAMERSSUCK@usefirstinitialandlastnameATerols.com > wrote in message news:JcednbisQJITtWfZnZ2dnUVZ_rKdnZ2d@rcn.net... > BuntRVer wrote: >> What's the best Jeep for a fun vehicle to be towed behind an RV for some >> retired Jeep fun? Not a hard core rock hound or sand drag nut, just >> wanna have good light weight 4X4 to tow behind my RV and have available >> for absolutely ANY transportation needs I might have in the mountains or >> where ever, for cheap......Did I say FOR CHEAP? Yes I said and mean a >> ride for value. And may want to load it up with Vintage Bultaco Trials >> bike or what ever......and don't forget the fish........fly fishing is >> my life now. > > Cherokee... you basically described it in your post... light (lighter than > many mustangs) more so than any Jeep built in the last 30 years. The 4.0 > is the best powerplant ever put in a Jeep (by a factory) IMHO. For power, > durability, reliability ease of working on, cheap and easy to get parts > for. It's got better climate control than a Wrangler, it's lighter and > still has more room. Best of all they are all over the place for extremely > cheap prices... You can get a lifted 10 year old Cherokee off ebay for a > couple thousand dollars (3 to 4k with nice paint and no mechanical > issues). early 90's bone stock XJ's commonly go for around a grand, fully > running (of course over 100k miles) because there are a ton of them for > sale... This combo (4.0 equipped Cherokee with an AX15 manual or AW4 > Automatic) commonly goes over 200k miles on normal maint. > > Oh yeah and it gets excellent fuel mileage (mid to low 20's stock)... not > just for an SUV, but for anything with a engine over 3 litres and a curb > wight over 3000 pounds. I recently looked at a Toyota Camry V6 for the > wife; that got worse mileage than my stock XJ, and comparable mileage to > my lifted 33 inch rubber clad 4.6 stroker Cherokee. > > -- > Simon > "I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein |
Re: Jeep Toad
Add to what Simon says
The Liberty does NOT get good mileage - 16-17 is good for them. Better than my Rubicon, but still pretty yuck for a 6 banger. Kate "Simon Juncal" <SPAMERSSUCK@usefirstinitialandlastnameATerols.com > wrote in message news:JcednbisQJITtWfZnZ2dnUVZ_rKdnZ2d@rcn.net... > BuntRVer wrote: >> What's the best Jeep for a fun vehicle to be towed behind an RV for some >> retired Jeep fun? Not a hard core rock hound or sand drag nut, just >> wanna have good light weight 4X4 to tow behind my RV and have available >> for absolutely ANY transportation needs I might have in the mountains or >> where ever, for cheap......Did I say FOR CHEAP? Yes I said and mean a >> ride for value. And may want to load it up with Vintage Bultaco Trials >> bike or what ever......and don't forget the fish........fly fishing is >> my life now. > > Cherokee... you basically described it in your post... light (lighter than > many mustangs) more so than any Jeep built in the last 30 years. The 4.0 > is the best powerplant ever put in a Jeep (by a factory) IMHO. For power, > durability, reliability ease of working on, cheap and easy to get parts > for. It's got better climate control than a Wrangler, it's lighter and > still has more room. Best of all they are all over the place for extremely > cheap prices... You can get a lifted 10 year old Cherokee off ebay for a > couple thousand dollars (3 to 4k with nice paint and no mechanical > issues). early 90's bone stock XJ's commonly go for around a grand, fully > running (of course over 100k miles) because there are a ton of them for > sale... This combo (4.0 equipped Cherokee with an AX15 manual or AW4 > Automatic) commonly goes over 200k miles on normal maint. > > Oh yeah and it gets excellent fuel mileage (mid to low 20's stock)... not > just for an SUV, but for anything with a engine over 3 litres and a curb > wight over 3000 pounds. I recently looked at a Toyota Camry V6 for the > wife; that got worse mileage than my stock XJ, and comparable mileage to > my lifted 33 inch rubber clad 4.6 stroker Cherokee. > > -- > Simon > "I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein |
Re: Jeep Toad
Add to what Simon says
The Liberty does NOT get good mileage - 16-17 is good for them. Better than my Rubicon, but still pretty yuck for a 6 banger. Kate "Simon Juncal" <SPAMERSSUCK@usefirstinitialandlastnameATerols.com > wrote in message news:JcednbisQJITtWfZnZ2dnUVZ_rKdnZ2d@rcn.net... > BuntRVer wrote: >> What's the best Jeep for a fun vehicle to be towed behind an RV for some >> retired Jeep fun? Not a hard core rock hound or sand drag nut, just >> wanna have good light weight 4X4 to tow behind my RV and have available >> for absolutely ANY transportation needs I might have in the mountains or >> where ever, for cheap......Did I say FOR CHEAP? Yes I said and mean a >> ride for value. And may want to load it up with Vintage Bultaco Trials >> bike or what ever......and don't forget the fish........fly fishing is >> my life now. > > Cherokee... you basically described it in your post... light (lighter than > many mustangs) more so than any Jeep built in the last 30 years. The 4.0 > is the best powerplant ever put in a Jeep (by a factory) IMHO. For power, > durability, reliability ease of working on, cheap and easy to get parts > for. It's got better climate control than a Wrangler, it's lighter and > still has more room. Best of all they are all over the place for extremely > cheap prices... You can get a lifted 10 year old Cherokee off ebay for a > couple thousand dollars (3 to 4k with nice paint and no mechanical > issues). early 90's bone stock XJ's commonly go for around a grand, fully > running (of course over 100k miles) because there are a ton of them for > sale... This combo (4.0 equipped Cherokee with an AX15 manual or AW4 > Automatic) commonly goes over 200k miles on normal maint. > > Oh yeah and it gets excellent fuel mileage (mid to low 20's stock)... not > just for an SUV, but for anything with a engine over 3 litres and a curb > wight over 3000 pounds. I recently looked at a Toyota Camry V6 for the > wife; that got worse mileage than my stock XJ, and comparable mileage to > my lifted 33 inch rubber clad 4.6 stroker Cherokee. > > -- > Simon > "I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein |
Re: Jeep Toad
Well he IS driving a Jeep, he was just trying to do it the hard way! <G>
Jeff DeWitt billy ray wrote: > I seen that video a number of times and the thought that goes through my > mine is that the driver intended to get stuck. > > He is driving on the right edge where the road is quite uneven and it > appears that if he was centered in the lane or to the left that the roadway > was fairly level. > > > "Jeffrey DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message > news:A0LKg.734$Qg.361@southeast.rr.com... > >>Looks like the problem in that video is that particular Libby has an open >>rear end, if it had Twin Traction (er positraction) it looks like it would >>have driven right out. >> >>Jeff DeWitt >> >> >>L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote: >> >>> It doesn't: http://www.----------.com/temp/LibertyAndTraction.mpeg >>>God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O >>>mailto:-------------------- BuntRVer wrote: >>> >>> >>>>What's a Libby? How does that compare to a CJ5 or CJ7? >>>> >>>>-- >>>>BuntRVer > > > |
Re: Jeep Toad
Well he IS driving a Jeep, he was just trying to do it the hard way! <G>
Jeff DeWitt billy ray wrote: > I seen that video a number of times and the thought that goes through my > mine is that the driver intended to get stuck. > > He is driving on the right edge where the road is quite uneven and it > appears that if he was centered in the lane or to the left that the roadway > was fairly level. > > > "Jeffrey DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message > news:A0LKg.734$Qg.361@southeast.rr.com... > >>Looks like the problem in that video is that particular Libby has an open >>rear end, if it had Twin Traction (er positraction) it looks like it would >>have driven right out. >> >>Jeff DeWitt >> >> >>L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote: >> >>> It doesn't: http://www.----------.com/temp/LibertyAndTraction.mpeg >>>God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O >>>mailto:-------------------- BuntRVer wrote: >>> >>> >>>>What's a Libby? How does that compare to a CJ5 or CJ7? >>>> >>>>-- >>>>BuntRVer > > > |
Re: Jeep Toad
Well he IS driving a Jeep, he was just trying to do it the hard way! <G>
Jeff DeWitt billy ray wrote: > I seen that video a number of times and the thought that goes through my > mine is that the driver intended to get stuck. > > He is driving on the right edge where the road is quite uneven and it > appears that if he was centered in the lane or to the left that the roadway > was fairly level. > > > "Jeffrey DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message > news:A0LKg.734$Qg.361@southeast.rr.com... > >>Looks like the problem in that video is that particular Libby has an open >>rear end, if it had Twin Traction (er positraction) it looks like it would >>have driven right out. >> >>Jeff DeWitt >> >> >>L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote: >> >>> It doesn't: http://www.----------.com/temp/LibertyAndTraction.mpeg >>>God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O >>>mailto:-------------------- BuntRVer wrote: >>> >>> >>>>What's a Libby? How does that compare to a CJ5 or CJ7? >>>> >>>>-- >>>>BuntRVer > > > |
Re: Jeep Toad
CJ-5 came with V8, and heave duty everything. Why do you think it
needs to be up graded???? And unless you don't know how to use your brakes, and treat the city streets like a road race slalom, then you don't need disk brakes, notice like all commercial trucks use drums! Maybe your jealously will allow you to look at a sixties AMC horsepower: http://www.----------.com/amchpchart.jpg I really don't believe you've ever driven off-road, at least deep enough to find the Real Jeeps. God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- Simon Juncal wrote: > > Bill why don't you go piss up a rope? He's got a perfectly valid point. > A CJ5 is a great inexpensive jeep project... if you've got a year or two > and 4 or 5 grand to spend restoring and rebuilding your $1500 CJ5... > Assuming you stay stock and don't upgrade anything at all. Drums all > around, no power anything and a wheezy 1960's 8 cylinder topping out at > just over 100 horse power at the wheels if you're lucky. > > $5500 will buy you 2 or 3 cherokee's with Power everything, cold AC hot > defrost, a modern era brake system, a 145 HP (rear wheel) fuel injected > semi-modern power plant; and in need of maybe an oil change and new > brake pads (or whatever). > > -- > Simon |
Re: Jeep Toad
CJ-5 came with V8, and heave duty everything. Why do you think it
needs to be up graded???? And unless you don't know how to use your brakes, and treat the city streets like a road race slalom, then you don't need disk brakes, notice like all commercial trucks use drums! Maybe your jealously will allow you to look at a sixties AMC horsepower: http://www.----------.com/amchpchart.jpg I really don't believe you've ever driven off-road, at least deep enough to find the Real Jeeps. God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- Simon Juncal wrote: > > Bill why don't you go piss up a rope? He's got a perfectly valid point. > A CJ5 is a great inexpensive jeep project... if you've got a year or two > and 4 or 5 grand to spend restoring and rebuilding your $1500 CJ5... > Assuming you stay stock and don't upgrade anything at all. Drums all > around, no power anything and a wheezy 1960's 8 cylinder topping out at > just over 100 horse power at the wheels if you're lucky. > > $5500 will buy you 2 or 3 cherokee's with Power everything, cold AC hot > defrost, a modern era brake system, a 145 HP (rear wheel) fuel injected > semi-modern power plant; and in need of maybe an oil change and new > brake pads (or whatever). > > -- > Simon |
Re: Jeep Toad
CJ-5 came with V8, and heave duty everything. Why do you think it
needs to be up graded???? And unless you don't know how to use your brakes, and treat the city streets like a road race slalom, then you don't need disk brakes, notice like all commercial trucks use drums! Maybe your jealously will allow you to look at a sixties AMC horsepower: http://www.----------.com/amchpchart.jpg I really don't believe you've ever driven off-road, at least deep enough to find the Real Jeeps. God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- Simon Juncal wrote: > > Bill why don't you go piss up a rope? He's got a perfectly valid point. > A CJ5 is a great inexpensive jeep project... if you've got a year or two > and 4 or 5 grand to spend restoring and rebuilding your $1500 CJ5... > Assuming you stay stock and don't upgrade anything at all. Drums all > around, no power anything and a wheezy 1960's 8 cylinder topping out at > just over 100 horse power at the wheels if you're lucky. > > $5500 will buy you 2 or 3 cherokee's with Power everything, cold AC hot > defrost, a modern era brake system, a 145 HP (rear wheel) fuel injected > semi-modern power plant; and in need of maybe an oil change and new > brake pads (or whatever). > > -- > Simon |
Re: Jeep Toad
Yes but mu point that you missed was any CJ-5 in his price range is going to
need a lot more REPAIR, not UPGRADE, than something newer. "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message news:44FBB4CD.939FBD9D@cox.net... > CJ-5 came with V8, and heave duty everything. Why do you think it > needs to be up graded???? And unless you don't know how to use your > brakes, and treat the city streets like a road race slalom, then you > don't need disk brakes, notice like all commercial trucks use drums! > Maybe your jealously will allow you to look at a sixties AMC > horsepower: http://www.----------.com/amchpchart.jpg > I really don't believe you've ever driven off-road, at least deep > enough to find the Real Jeeps. > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O > mailto:-------------------- > > Simon Juncal wrote: >> >> Bill why don't you go piss up a rope? He's got a perfectly valid point. >> A CJ5 is a great inexpensive jeep project... if you've got a year or two >> and 4 or 5 grand to spend restoring and rebuilding your $1500 CJ5... >> Assuming you stay stock and don't upgrade anything at all. Drums all >> around, no power anything and a wheezy 1960's 8 cylinder topping out at >> just over 100 horse power at the wheels if you're lucky. >> >> $5500 will buy you 2 or 3 cherokee's with Power everything, cold AC hot >> defrost, a modern era brake system, a 145 HP (rear wheel) fuel injected >> semi-modern power plant; and in need of maybe an oil change and new >> brake pads (or whatever). >> >> -- >> Simon |
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