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jeep sport liberty
Sorry if this is wrong newsgroup for posting this
message. I need a fairly small vehicle, that has got to get me to work everyday without fail no matter the weather. I live in the northeast, but not too far north(one of the mid atlantic states). We can get heavy snow, sleet and rain. I have looked at the rav 4 , and the jeep liberty. I am looking at the automatic trannie only. I am leaning towards the liberty sport because of the greater room behind the front seats, for storing gear. I have test driven them both, but only in city driving, couldnt get the dealership to get to a highway with them.(but that is another story) 1) The rav four seemed excellent in fit and finish. The engine seemed smooth and the car felt great, except its a little cramped for space. 2) The jeep engine felt sound, but not as refined. The car also felt to not handle as well . Questions: From your experiences, what has the dependibility of newer jeep liberty 4wd vehicles have been? I cant afford to have a vehicle that is constantly in the shop. If I dont get to work on time, It is serious. Is the highway driving that bad? From reading reviews they talk about the stiff drive, because the jeep is also a serious off roader, and thus comprimised. I am willing to compromise a bit, because when it snows and sleets at three in the mourning, I have no choice but to be in the vehicle driving to or from work. I do like the jeeps rear room. So any actual experiences would be appreciated. One other reason is that the wife actually likes the way the jeep fits her body. She is short, and she also likes the visibility on the jeep. This is a tough decision. I have a parking situation at work, thus I cant bring my larger suv to work. Looked at the honda crv, and the pedals are too far away for wife. So please help me out..LOL Thanks in advance |
Re: jeep sport liberty
"one of the mid atlantic states" Another ball-less troll.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ "j.lef" wrote: > > Sorry if this is wrong newsgroup for posting this > message. I need a fairly small vehicle, that has got to get me to work > everyday without fail no matter the weather. I live in the northeast, but > not too far north(one of the mid atlantic states). We can get heavy snow, > sleet and rain. > I have looked at the rav 4 , and the jeep liberty. I am > looking at the automatic trannie only. I am leaning towards the liberty > sport because of the greater room behind the front seats, for storing gear. > I have test driven them both, but only in city driving, > couldnt get the dealership to get to a highway with them.(but that is > another story) > > 1) The rav four seemed excellent in fit and finish. The engine seemed > smooth and the car felt great, except its a little cramped for space. > > 2) The jeep engine felt sound, but not as refined. The car also felt to not > handle as well . > > Questions: > From your experiences, what has the dependibility of newer jeep liberty > 4wd vehicles have been? I cant afford to have a vehicle that is constantly > in the shop. If I dont get to work on time, It is serious. > > Is the highway driving that bad? From reading reviews they talk > about the stiff drive, because the jeep is also a serious off roader, and > thus comprimised. I am willing to compromise a bit, because when it snows > and sleets at three in the mourning, I have no choice but to be in the > vehicle driving to or from work. I do like the jeeps rear room. > > So any actual experiences would be appreciated. One other > reason is that the wife actually likes the way the jeep fits her body. She > is short, and she also likes the visibility on the jeep. > > This is a tough decision. I have a parking situation > at work, thus I cant bring my larger suv to work. > Looked at the honda crv, and the pedals are too far away for wife. > > So please help me out..LOL > > Thanks in advance |
Re: jeep sport liberty
"one of the mid atlantic states" Another ball-less troll.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ "j.lef" wrote: > > Sorry if this is wrong newsgroup for posting this > message. I need a fairly small vehicle, that has got to get me to work > everyday without fail no matter the weather. I live in the northeast, but > not too far north(one of the mid atlantic states). We can get heavy snow, > sleet and rain. > I have looked at the rav 4 , and the jeep liberty. I am > looking at the automatic trannie only. I am leaning towards the liberty > sport because of the greater room behind the front seats, for storing gear. > I have test driven them both, but only in city driving, > couldnt get the dealership to get to a highway with them.(but that is > another story) > > 1) The rav four seemed excellent in fit and finish. The engine seemed > smooth and the car felt great, except its a little cramped for space. > > 2) The jeep engine felt sound, but not as refined. The car also felt to not > handle as well . > > Questions: > From your experiences, what has the dependibility of newer jeep liberty > 4wd vehicles have been? I cant afford to have a vehicle that is constantly > in the shop. If I dont get to work on time, It is serious. > > Is the highway driving that bad? From reading reviews they talk > about the stiff drive, because the jeep is also a serious off roader, and > thus comprimised. I am willing to compromise a bit, because when it snows > and sleets at three in the mourning, I have no choice but to be in the > vehicle driving to or from work. I do like the jeeps rear room. > > So any actual experiences would be appreciated. One other > reason is that the wife actually likes the way the jeep fits her body. She > is short, and she also likes the visibility on the jeep. > > This is a tough decision. I have a parking situation > at work, thus I cant bring my larger suv to work. > Looked at the honda crv, and the pedals are too far away for wife. > > So please help me out..LOL > > Thanks in advance |
Re: jeep sport liberty
"one of the mid atlantic states" Another ball-less troll.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ "j.lef" wrote: > > Sorry if this is wrong newsgroup for posting this > message. I need a fairly small vehicle, that has got to get me to work > everyday without fail no matter the weather. I live in the northeast, but > not too far north(one of the mid atlantic states). We can get heavy snow, > sleet and rain. > I have looked at the rav 4 , and the jeep liberty. I am > looking at the automatic trannie only. I am leaning towards the liberty > sport because of the greater room behind the front seats, for storing gear. > I have test driven them both, but only in city driving, > couldnt get the dealership to get to a highway with them.(but that is > another story) > > 1) The rav four seemed excellent in fit and finish. The engine seemed > smooth and the car felt great, except its a little cramped for space. > > 2) The jeep engine felt sound, but not as refined. The car also felt to not > handle as well . > > Questions: > From your experiences, what has the dependibility of newer jeep liberty > 4wd vehicles have been? I cant afford to have a vehicle that is constantly > in the shop. If I dont get to work on time, It is serious. > > Is the highway driving that bad? From reading reviews they talk > about the stiff drive, because the jeep is also a serious off roader, and > thus comprimised. I am willing to compromise a bit, because when it snows > and sleets at three in the mourning, I have no choice but to be in the > vehicle driving to or from work. I do like the jeeps rear room. > > So any actual experiences would be appreciated. One other > reason is that the wife actually likes the way the jeep fits her body. She > is short, and she also likes the visibility on the jeep. > > This is a tough decision. I have a parking situation > at work, thus I cant bring my larger suv to work. > Looked at the honda crv, and the pedals are too far away for wife. > > So please help me out..LOL > > Thanks in advance |
Re: jeep sport liberty
"one of the mid atlantic states" Another ball-less troll.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ "j.lef" wrote: > > Sorry if this is wrong newsgroup for posting this > message. I need a fairly small vehicle, that has got to get me to work > everyday without fail no matter the weather. I live in the northeast, but > not too far north(one of the mid atlantic states). We can get heavy snow, > sleet and rain. > I have looked at the rav 4 , and the jeep liberty. I am > looking at the automatic trannie only. I am leaning towards the liberty > sport because of the greater room behind the front seats, for storing gear. > I have test driven them both, but only in city driving, > couldnt get the dealership to get to a highway with them.(but that is > another story) > > 1) The rav four seemed excellent in fit and finish. The engine seemed > smooth and the car felt great, except its a little cramped for space. > > 2) The jeep engine felt sound, but not as refined. The car also felt to not > handle as well . > > Questions: > From your experiences, what has the dependibility of newer jeep liberty > 4wd vehicles have been? I cant afford to have a vehicle that is constantly > in the shop. If I dont get to work on time, It is serious. > > Is the highway driving that bad? From reading reviews they talk > about the stiff drive, because the jeep is also a serious off roader, and > thus comprimised. I am willing to compromise a bit, because when it snows > and sleets at three in the mourning, I have no choice but to be in the > vehicle driving to or from work. I do like the jeeps rear room. > > So any actual experiences would be appreciated. One other > reason is that the wife actually likes the way the jeep fits her body. She > is short, and she also likes the visibility on the jeep. > > This is a tough decision. I have a parking situation > at work, thus I cant bring my larger suv to work. > Looked at the honda crv, and the pedals are too far away for wife. > > So please help me out..LOL > > Thanks in advance |
Re: jeep sport liberty
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message news:410D5B07.657EEC87@cox.net... > "one of the mid atlantic states" Another ball-less troll. > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ > > You jerk....How is this being a troll? And for what purpose and what direction? Get off my obstacle, you a hole. You have nothing better to do with your time. |
Re: jeep sport liberty
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message news:410D5B07.657EEC87@cox.net... > "one of the mid atlantic states" Another ball-less troll. > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ > > You jerk....How is this being a troll? And for what purpose and what direction? Get off my obstacle, you a hole. You have nothing better to do with your time. |
Re: jeep sport liberty
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message news:410D5B07.657EEC87@cox.net... > "one of the mid atlantic states" Another ball-less troll. > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ > > You jerk....How is this being a troll? And for what purpose and what direction? Get off my obstacle, you a hole. You have nothing better to do with your time. |
Re: jeep sport liberty
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message news:410D5B07.657EEC87@cox.net... > "one of the mid atlantic states" Another ball-less troll. > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ > > You jerk....How is this being a troll? And for what purpose and what direction? Get off my obstacle, you a hole. You have nothing better to do with your time. |
Re: jeep sport liberty
I am in the UK and own a Diesel auto Liberty, which you don't get
until later this year. I can't fault the car at all, however we don't get much snow over here so can't really tell you how good it is!! I looked at the RAV4 but they are pretty common over here whereas the Liberty is just a bit different. The other one you might consider is the Land Rover Freelander, though it's not such a high driving position. "j.lef" <j.lef@verizon.net> wrote in message news:2xcPc.4246$uk3.2178@trndny06... > Sorry if this is wrong newsgroup for posting this > message. I need a fairly small vehicle, that has got to get me to work > everyday without fail no matter the weather. I live in the northeast, but > not too far north(one of the mid atlantic states). We can get heavy snow, > sleet and rain. > I have looked at the rav 4 , and the jeep liberty. I am > looking at the automatic trannie only. I am leaning towards the liberty > sport because of the greater room behind the front seats, for storing gear. > I have test driven them both, but only in city driving, > couldnt get the dealership to get to a highway with them.(but that is > another story) > > 1) The rav four seemed excellent in fit and finish. The engine seemed > smooth and the car felt great, except its a little cramped for space. > > 2) The jeep engine felt sound, but not as refined. The car also felt to not > handle as well . > > Questions: > From your experiences, what has the dependibility of newer jeep liberty > 4wd vehicles have been? I cant afford to have a vehicle that is constantly > in the shop. If I dont get to work on time, It is serious. > > Is the highway driving that bad? From reading reviews they talk > about the stiff drive, because the jeep is also a serious off roader, and > thus comprimised. I am willing to compromise a bit, because when it snows > and sleets at three in the mourning, I have no choice but to be in the > vehicle driving to or from work. I do like the jeeps rear room. > > So any actual experiences would be appreciated. One other > reason is that the wife actually likes the way the jeep fits her body. She > is short, and she also likes the visibility on the jeep. > > This is a tough decision. I have a parking situation > at work, thus I cant bring my larger suv to work. > Looked at the honda crv, and the pedals are too far away for wife. > > So please help me out..LOL > > > Thanks in advance > > |
Re: jeep sport liberty
I am in the UK and own a Diesel auto Liberty, which you don't get
until later this year. I can't fault the car at all, however we don't get much snow over here so can't really tell you how good it is!! I looked at the RAV4 but they are pretty common over here whereas the Liberty is just a bit different. The other one you might consider is the Land Rover Freelander, though it's not such a high driving position. "j.lef" <j.lef@verizon.net> wrote in message news:2xcPc.4246$uk3.2178@trndny06... > Sorry if this is wrong newsgroup for posting this > message. I need a fairly small vehicle, that has got to get me to work > everyday without fail no matter the weather. I live in the northeast, but > not too far north(one of the mid atlantic states). We can get heavy snow, > sleet and rain. > I have looked at the rav 4 , and the jeep liberty. I am > looking at the automatic trannie only. I am leaning towards the liberty > sport because of the greater room behind the front seats, for storing gear. > I have test driven them both, but only in city driving, > couldnt get the dealership to get to a highway with them.(but that is > another story) > > 1) The rav four seemed excellent in fit and finish. The engine seemed > smooth and the car felt great, except its a little cramped for space. > > 2) The jeep engine felt sound, but not as refined. The car also felt to not > handle as well . > > Questions: > From your experiences, what has the dependibility of newer jeep liberty > 4wd vehicles have been? I cant afford to have a vehicle that is constantly > in the shop. If I dont get to work on time, It is serious. > > Is the highway driving that bad? From reading reviews they talk > about the stiff drive, because the jeep is also a serious off roader, and > thus comprimised. I am willing to compromise a bit, because when it snows > and sleets at three in the mourning, I have no choice but to be in the > vehicle driving to or from work. I do like the jeeps rear room. > > So any actual experiences would be appreciated. One other > reason is that the wife actually likes the way the jeep fits her body. She > is short, and she also likes the visibility on the jeep. > > This is a tough decision. I have a parking situation > at work, thus I cant bring my larger suv to work. > Looked at the honda crv, and the pedals are too far away for wife. > > So please help me out..LOL > > > Thanks in advance > > |
Re: jeep sport liberty
I am in the UK and own a Diesel auto Liberty, which you don't get
until later this year. I can't fault the car at all, however we don't get much snow over here so can't really tell you how good it is!! I looked at the RAV4 but they are pretty common over here whereas the Liberty is just a bit different. The other one you might consider is the Land Rover Freelander, though it's not such a high driving position. "j.lef" <j.lef@verizon.net> wrote in message news:2xcPc.4246$uk3.2178@trndny06... > Sorry if this is wrong newsgroup for posting this > message. I need a fairly small vehicle, that has got to get me to work > everyday without fail no matter the weather. I live in the northeast, but > not too far north(one of the mid atlantic states). We can get heavy snow, > sleet and rain. > I have looked at the rav 4 , and the jeep liberty. I am > looking at the automatic trannie only. I am leaning towards the liberty > sport because of the greater room behind the front seats, for storing gear. > I have test driven them both, but only in city driving, > couldnt get the dealership to get to a highway with them.(but that is > another story) > > 1) The rav four seemed excellent in fit and finish. The engine seemed > smooth and the car felt great, except its a little cramped for space. > > 2) The jeep engine felt sound, but not as refined. The car also felt to not > handle as well . > > Questions: > From your experiences, what has the dependibility of newer jeep liberty > 4wd vehicles have been? I cant afford to have a vehicle that is constantly > in the shop. If I dont get to work on time, It is serious. > > Is the highway driving that bad? From reading reviews they talk > about the stiff drive, because the jeep is also a serious off roader, and > thus comprimised. I am willing to compromise a bit, because when it snows > and sleets at three in the mourning, I have no choice but to be in the > vehicle driving to or from work. I do like the jeeps rear room. > > So any actual experiences would be appreciated. One other > reason is that the wife actually likes the way the jeep fits her body. She > is short, and she also likes the visibility on the jeep. > > This is a tough decision. I have a parking situation > at work, thus I cant bring my larger suv to work. > Looked at the honda crv, and the pedals are too far away for wife. > > So please help me out..LOL > > > Thanks in advance > > |
Re: jeep sport liberty
I am in the UK and own a Diesel auto Liberty, which you don't get
until later this year. I can't fault the car at all, however we don't get much snow over here so can't really tell you how good it is!! I looked at the RAV4 but they are pretty common over here whereas the Liberty is just a bit different. The other one you might consider is the Land Rover Freelander, though it's not such a high driving position. "j.lef" <j.lef@verizon.net> wrote in message news:2xcPc.4246$uk3.2178@trndny06... > Sorry if this is wrong newsgroup for posting this > message. I need a fairly small vehicle, that has got to get me to work > everyday without fail no matter the weather. I live in the northeast, but > not too far north(one of the mid atlantic states). We can get heavy snow, > sleet and rain. > I have looked at the rav 4 , and the jeep liberty. I am > looking at the automatic trannie only. I am leaning towards the liberty > sport because of the greater room behind the front seats, for storing gear. > I have test driven them both, but only in city driving, > couldnt get the dealership to get to a highway with them.(but that is > another story) > > 1) The rav four seemed excellent in fit and finish. The engine seemed > smooth and the car felt great, except its a little cramped for space. > > 2) The jeep engine felt sound, but not as refined. The car also felt to not > handle as well . > > Questions: > From your experiences, what has the dependibility of newer jeep liberty > 4wd vehicles have been? I cant afford to have a vehicle that is constantly > in the shop. If I dont get to work on time, It is serious. > > Is the highway driving that bad? From reading reviews they talk > about the stiff drive, because the jeep is also a serious off roader, and > thus comprimised. I am willing to compromise a bit, because when it snows > and sleets at three in the mourning, I have no choice but to be in the > vehicle driving to or from work. I do like the jeeps rear room. > > So any actual experiences would be appreciated. One other > reason is that the wife actually likes the way the jeep fits her body. She > is short, and she also likes the visibility on the jeep. > > This is a tough decision. I have a parking situation > at work, thus I cant bring my larger suv to work. > Looked at the honda crv, and the pedals are too far away for wife. > > So please help me out..LOL > > > Thanks in advance > > |
Re: jeep sport liberty
On Sun, 01 Aug 2004 21:30:50 GMT, "j.lef" <j.lef@verizon.net> wrote:
> >"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message >news:410D5B07.657EEC87@cox.net... >> "one of the mid atlantic states" Another ball-less troll. >> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O >> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ >> >> You jerk....How is this being a troll? And for what >purpose and what direction? Get off my obstacle, you a hole. You have >nothing better to do with your time. All you have to do is add God Bless America Bill to your kill file - I did that quite a while back. He is usually a total waste of bandwidth. Don't bother swearing at him - it's undignified. John John Davies TLCA 14732 http://home.comcast.net/~johnedavies/ '96 Lexus LX450 '00 Audi A4 1.8T quattro Spokane WA USA |
Re: jeep sport liberty
On Sun, 01 Aug 2004 21:30:50 GMT, "j.lef" <j.lef@verizon.net> wrote:
> >"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message >news:410D5B07.657EEC87@cox.net... >> "one of the mid atlantic states" Another ball-less troll. >> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O >> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ >> >> You jerk....How is this being a troll? And for what >purpose and what direction? Get off my obstacle, you a hole. You have >nothing better to do with your time. All you have to do is add God Bless America Bill to your kill file - I did that quite a while back. He is usually a total waste of bandwidth. Don't bother swearing at him - it's undignified. John John Davies TLCA 14732 http://home.comcast.net/~johnedavies/ '96 Lexus LX450 '00 Audi A4 1.8T quattro Spokane WA USA |
Re: jeep sport liberty
On Sun, 01 Aug 2004 21:30:50 GMT, "j.lef" <j.lef@verizon.net> wrote:
> >"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message >news:410D5B07.657EEC87@cox.net... >> "one of the mid atlantic states" Another ball-less troll. >> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O >> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ >> >> You jerk....How is this being a troll? And for what >purpose and what direction? Get off my obstacle, you a hole. You have >nothing better to do with your time. All you have to do is add God Bless America Bill to your kill file - I did that quite a while back. He is usually a total waste of bandwidth. Don't bother swearing at him - it's undignified. John John Davies TLCA 14732 http://home.comcast.net/~johnedavies/ '96 Lexus LX450 '00 Audi A4 1.8T quattro Spokane WA USA |
Re: jeep sport liberty
On Sun, 01 Aug 2004 21:30:50 GMT, "j.lef" <j.lef@verizon.net> wrote:
> >"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message >news:410D5B07.657EEC87@cox.net... >> "one of the mid atlantic states" Another ball-less troll. >> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O >> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ >> >> You jerk....How is this being a troll? And for what >purpose and what direction? Get off my obstacle, you a hole. You have >nothing better to do with your time. All you have to do is add God Bless America Bill to your kill file - I did that quite a while back. He is usually a total waste of bandwidth. Don't bother swearing at him - it's undignified. John John Davies TLCA 14732 http://home.comcast.net/~johnedavies/ '96 Lexus LX450 '00 Audi A4 1.8T quattro Spokane WA USA |
Re: jeep sport liberty
This is the right group for your Jeep questions.
I have been paying attention to the Liberty as far as complaints go for reliable and so far there have been no inherent issues that have been posted on the usenet Jeep groups I frequent. It has decent clearance, still drives like the small truck Jeeps are supposed to be and from what I have heard from folks that wheel them in 4x4, have just as well a behaved 4x4 as any Jeep. It 'isn't' a car. Jeeps have the sweetest, most well behaved 4x4 of any off road truck I have ever seen or driven in and I have been bush running since the 70's. Jeeps also let you know 'real' fast if you are going to fast for conditions, they get twitchy. Well, when a Jeep gets twitchy, check the stopping distance, it won't easily let you outdrive the stopping power, but it still can... I love the shift on the fly 4x4 because I am in Canada and had a shift that got off at 4 AM well before the plows are out. I also 'had' to be to work. The newspapers must go out! It was a 20 mile uphill drive home and being able to just hit 4x4 when I saw blowing snow ahead and drop out when I saw clear without changing speed is nice. My $0.02 for you, Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's "j.lef" wrote: > > Sorry if this is wrong newsgroup for posting this > message. I need a fairly small vehicle, that has got to get me to work > everyday without fail no matter the weather. I live in the northeast, but > not too far north(one of the mid atlantic states). We can get heavy snow, > sleet and rain. > I have looked at the rav 4 , and the jeep liberty. I am > looking at the automatic trannie only. I am leaning towards the liberty > sport because of the greater room behind the front seats, for storing gear. > I have test driven them both, but only in city driving, > couldnt get the dealership to get to a highway with them.(but that is > another story) > > 1) The rav four seemed excellent in fit and finish. The engine seemed > smooth and the car felt great, except its a little cramped for space. > > 2) The jeep engine felt sound, but not as refined. The car also felt to not > handle as well . > > Questions: > From your experiences, what has the dependibility of newer jeep liberty > 4wd vehicles have been? I cant afford to have a vehicle that is constantly > in the shop. If I dont get to work on time, It is serious. > > Is the highway driving that bad? From reading reviews they talk > about the stiff drive, because the jeep is also a serious off roader, and > thus comprimised. I am willing to compromise a bit, because when it snows > and sleets at three in the mourning, I have no choice but to be in the > vehicle driving to or from work. I do like the jeeps rear room. > > So any actual experiences would be appreciated. One other > reason is that the wife actually likes the way the jeep fits her body. She > is short, and she also likes the visibility on the jeep. > > This is a tough decision. I have a parking situation > at work, thus I cant bring my larger suv to work. > Looked at the honda crv, and the pedals are too far away for wife. > > So please help me out..LOL > > Thanks in advance |
Re: jeep sport liberty
This is the right group for your Jeep questions.
I have been paying attention to the Liberty as far as complaints go for reliable and so far there have been no inherent issues that have been posted on the usenet Jeep groups I frequent. It has decent clearance, still drives like the small truck Jeeps are supposed to be and from what I have heard from folks that wheel them in 4x4, have just as well a behaved 4x4 as any Jeep. It 'isn't' a car. Jeeps have the sweetest, most well behaved 4x4 of any off road truck I have ever seen or driven in and I have been bush running since the 70's. Jeeps also let you know 'real' fast if you are going to fast for conditions, they get twitchy. Well, when a Jeep gets twitchy, check the stopping distance, it won't easily let you outdrive the stopping power, but it still can... I love the shift on the fly 4x4 because I am in Canada and had a shift that got off at 4 AM well before the plows are out. I also 'had' to be to work. The newspapers must go out! It was a 20 mile uphill drive home and being able to just hit 4x4 when I saw blowing snow ahead and drop out when I saw clear without changing speed is nice. My $0.02 for you, Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's "j.lef" wrote: > > Sorry if this is wrong newsgroup for posting this > message. I need a fairly small vehicle, that has got to get me to work > everyday without fail no matter the weather. I live in the northeast, but > not too far north(one of the mid atlantic states). We can get heavy snow, > sleet and rain. > I have looked at the rav 4 , and the jeep liberty. I am > looking at the automatic trannie only. I am leaning towards the liberty > sport because of the greater room behind the front seats, for storing gear. > I have test driven them both, but only in city driving, > couldnt get the dealership to get to a highway with them.(but that is > another story) > > 1) The rav four seemed excellent in fit and finish. The engine seemed > smooth and the car felt great, except its a little cramped for space. > > 2) The jeep engine felt sound, but not as refined. The car also felt to not > handle as well . > > Questions: > From your experiences, what has the dependibility of newer jeep liberty > 4wd vehicles have been? I cant afford to have a vehicle that is constantly > in the shop. If I dont get to work on time, It is serious. > > Is the highway driving that bad? From reading reviews they talk > about the stiff drive, because the jeep is also a serious off roader, and > thus comprimised. I am willing to compromise a bit, because when it snows > and sleets at three in the mourning, I have no choice but to be in the > vehicle driving to or from work. I do like the jeeps rear room. > > So any actual experiences would be appreciated. One other > reason is that the wife actually likes the way the jeep fits her body. She > is short, and she also likes the visibility on the jeep. > > This is a tough decision. I have a parking situation > at work, thus I cant bring my larger suv to work. > Looked at the honda crv, and the pedals are too far away for wife. > > So please help me out..LOL > > Thanks in advance |
Re: jeep sport liberty
This is the right group for your Jeep questions.
I have been paying attention to the Liberty as far as complaints go for reliable and so far there have been no inherent issues that have been posted on the usenet Jeep groups I frequent. It has decent clearance, still drives like the small truck Jeeps are supposed to be and from what I have heard from folks that wheel them in 4x4, have just as well a behaved 4x4 as any Jeep. It 'isn't' a car. Jeeps have the sweetest, most well behaved 4x4 of any off road truck I have ever seen or driven in and I have been bush running since the 70's. Jeeps also let you know 'real' fast if you are going to fast for conditions, they get twitchy. Well, when a Jeep gets twitchy, check the stopping distance, it won't easily let you outdrive the stopping power, but it still can... I love the shift on the fly 4x4 because I am in Canada and had a shift that got off at 4 AM well before the plows are out. I also 'had' to be to work. The newspapers must go out! It was a 20 mile uphill drive home and being able to just hit 4x4 when I saw blowing snow ahead and drop out when I saw clear without changing speed is nice. My $0.02 for you, Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's "j.lef" wrote: > > Sorry if this is wrong newsgroup for posting this > message. I need a fairly small vehicle, that has got to get me to work > everyday without fail no matter the weather. I live in the northeast, but > not too far north(one of the mid atlantic states). We can get heavy snow, > sleet and rain. > I have looked at the rav 4 , and the jeep liberty. I am > looking at the automatic trannie only. I am leaning towards the liberty > sport because of the greater room behind the front seats, for storing gear. > I have test driven them both, but only in city driving, > couldnt get the dealership to get to a highway with them.(but that is > another story) > > 1) The rav four seemed excellent in fit and finish. The engine seemed > smooth and the car felt great, except its a little cramped for space. > > 2) The jeep engine felt sound, but not as refined. The car also felt to not > handle as well . > > Questions: > From your experiences, what has the dependibility of newer jeep liberty > 4wd vehicles have been? I cant afford to have a vehicle that is constantly > in the shop. If I dont get to work on time, It is serious. > > Is the highway driving that bad? From reading reviews they talk > about the stiff drive, because the jeep is also a serious off roader, and > thus comprimised. I am willing to compromise a bit, because when it snows > and sleets at three in the mourning, I have no choice but to be in the > vehicle driving to or from work. I do like the jeeps rear room. > > So any actual experiences would be appreciated. One other > reason is that the wife actually likes the way the jeep fits her body. She > is short, and she also likes the visibility on the jeep. > > This is a tough decision. I have a parking situation > at work, thus I cant bring my larger suv to work. > Looked at the honda crv, and the pedals are too far away for wife. > > So please help me out..LOL > > Thanks in advance |
Re: jeep sport liberty
This is the right group for your Jeep questions.
I have been paying attention to the Liberty as far as complaints go for reliable and so far there have been no inherent issues that have been posted on the usenet Jeep groups I frequent. It has decent clearance, still drives like the small truck Jeeps are supposed to be and from what I have heard from folks that wheel them in 4x4, have just as well a behaved 4x4 as any Jeep. It 'isn't' a car. Jeeps have the sweetest, most well behaved 4x4 of any off road truck I have ever seen or driven in and I have been bush running since the 70's. Jeeps also let you know 'real' fast if you are going to fast for conditions, they get twitchy. Well, when a Jeep gets twitchy, check the stopping distance, it won't easily let you outdrive the stopping power, but it still can... I love the shift on the fly 4x4 because I am in Canada and had a shift that got off at 4 AM well before the plows are out. I also 'had' to be to work. The newspapers must go out! It was a 20 mile uphill drive home and being able to just hit 4x4 when I saw blowing snow ahead and drop out when I saw clear without changing speed is nice. My $0.02 for you, Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's "j.lef" wrote: > > Sorry if this is wrong newsgroup for posting this > message. I need a fairly small vehicle, that has got to get me to work > everyday without fail no matter the weather. I live in the northeast, but > not too far north(one of the mid atlantic states). We can get heavy snow, > sleet and rain. > I have looked at the rav 4 , and the jeep liberty. I am > looking at the automatic trannie only. I am leaning towards the liberty > sport because of the greater room behind the front seats, for storing gear. > I have test driven them both, but only in city driving, > couldnt get the dealership to get to a highway with them.(but that is > another story) > > 1) The rav four seemed excellent in fit and finish. The engine seemed > smooth and the car felt great, except its a little cramped for space. > > 2) The jeep engine felt sound, but not as refined. The car also felt to not > handle as well . > > Questions: > From your experiences, what has the dependibility of newer jeep liberty > 4wd vehicles have been? I cant afford to have a vehicle that is constantly > in the shop. If I dont get to work on time, It is serious. > > Is the highway driving that bad? From reading reviews they talk > about the stiff drive, because the jeep is also a serious off roader, and > thus comprimised. I am willing to compromise a bit, because when it snows > and sleets at three in the mourning, I have no choice but to be in the > vehicle driving to or from work. I do like the jeeps rear room. > > So any actual experiences would be appreciated. One other > reason is that the wife actually likes the way the jeep fits her body. She > is short, and she also likes the visibility on the jeep. > > This is a tough decision. I have a parking situation > at work, thus I cant bring my larger suv to work. > Looked at the honda crv, and the pedals are too far away for wife. > > So please help me out..LOL > > Thanks in advance |
Re: jeep sport liberty
keep in mind that the liberty is not really a Jeep, not in anyway, except
for the name that Krysler stuck on it. might investigate a good used cherokee, which was done by a completely different sent of engineering (and styling) parameters, by a different manufacturer. . The liberty is tip-prone by krysler's own admission, due to faulty (ignorant?) design parameters. IF you can stand the styling (?) gawkiness and weird proportions and irrelevent dips and bulges and odd angles, then the liberty just might be for you. but please don't refer to it as Jeep. It is not. "j.lef" <j.lef@verizon.net> wrote in message news:2xcPc.4246$uk3.2178@trndny06... > Sorry if this is wrong newsgroup for posting this > message. I need a fairly small vehicle, that has got to get me to work > everyday without fail no matter the weather. I live in the northeast, but > not too far north(one of the mid atlantic states). We can get heavy snow, > sleet and rain. > I have looked at the rav 4 , and the jeep liberty. I am > looking at the automatic trannie only. I am leaning towards the liberty > sport because of the greater room behind the front seats, for storing gear. > I have test driven them both, but only in city driving, > couldnt get the dealership to get to a highway with them.(but that is > another story) > > 1) The rav four seemed excellent in fit and finish. The engine seemed > smooth and the car felt great, except its a little cramped for space. > > 2) The jeep engine felt sound, but not as refined. The car also felt to not > handle as well . > > Questions: > From your experiences, what has the dependibility of newer jeep liberty > 4wd vehicles have been? I cant afford to have a vehicle that is constantly > in the shop. If I dont get to work on time, It is serious. > > Is the highway driving that bad? From reading reviews they talk > about the stiff drive, because the jeep is also a serious off roader, and > thus comprimised. I am willing to compromise a bit, because when it snows > and sleets at three in the mourning, I have no choice but to be in the > vehicle driving to or from work. I do like the jeeps rear room. > > So any actual experiences would be appreciated. One other > reason is that the wife actually likes the way the jeep fits her body. She > is short, and she also likes the visibility on the jeep. > > This is a tough decision. I have a parking situation > at work, thus I cant bring my larger suv to work. > Looked at the honda crv, and the pedals are too far away for wife. > > So please help me out..LOL > > > Thanks in advance > > |
Re: jeep sport liberty
keep in mind that the liberty is not really a Jeep, not in anyway, except
for the name that Krysler stuck on it. might investigate a good used cherokee, which was done by a completely different sent of engineering (and styling) parameters, by a different manufacturer. . The liberty is tip-prone by krysler's own admission, due to faulty (ignorant?) design parameters. IF you can stand the styling (?) gawkiness and weird proportions and irrelevent dips and bulges and odd angles, then the liberty just might be for you. but please don't refer to it as Jeep. It is not. "j.lef" <j.lef@verizon.net> wrote in message news:2xcPc.4246$uk3.2178@trndny06... > Sorry if this is wrong newsgroup for posting this > message. I need a fairly small vehicle, that has got to get me to work > everyday without fail no matter the weather. I live in the northeast, but > not too far north(one of the mid atlantic states). We can get heavy snow, > sleet and rain. > I have looked at the rav 4 , and the jeep liberty. I am > looking at the automatic trannie only. I am leaning towards the liberty > sport because of the greater room behind the front seats, for storing gear. > I have test driven them both, but only in city driving, > couldnt get the dealership to get to a highway with them.(but that is > another story) > > 1) The rav four seemed excellent in fit and finish. The engine seemed > smooth and the car felt great, except its a little cramped for space. > > 2) The jeep engine felt sound, but not as refined. The car also felt to not > handle as well . > > Questions: > From your experiences, what has the dependibility of newer jeep liberty > 4wd vehicles have been? I cant afford to have a vehicle that is constantly > in the shop. If I dont get to work on time, It is serious. > > Is the highway driving that bad? From reading reviews they talk > about the stiff drive, because the jeep is also a serious off roader, and > thus comprimised. I am willing to compromise a bit, because when it snows > and sleets at three in the mourning, I have no choice but to be in the > vehicle driving to or from work. I do like the jeeps rear room. > > So any actual experiences would be appreciated. One other > reason is that the wife actually likes the way the jeep fits her body. She > is short, and she also likes the visibility on the jeep. > > This is a tough decision. I have a parking situation > at work, thus I cant bring my larger suv to work. > Looked at the honda crv, and the pedals are too far away for wife. > > So please help me out..LOL > > > Thanks in advance > > |
Re: jeep sport liberty
keep in mind that the liberty is not really a Jeep, not in anyway, except
for the name that Krysler stuck on it. might investigate a good used cherokee, which was done by a completely different sent of engineering (and styling) parameters, by a different manufacturer. . The liberty is tip-prone by krysler's own admission, due to faulty (ignorant?) design parameters. IF you can stand the styling (?) gawkiness and weird proportions and irrelevent dips and bulges and odd angles, then the liberty just might be for you. but please don't refer to it as Jeep. It is not. "j.lef" <j.lef@verizon.net> wrote in message news:2xcPc.4246$uk3.2178@trndny06... > Sorry if this is wrong newsgroup for posting this > message. I need a fairly small vehicle, that has got to get me to work > everyday without fail no matter the weather. I live in the northeast, but > not too far north(one of the mid atlantic states). We can get heavy snow, > sleet and rain. > I have looked at the rav 4 , and the jeep liberty. I am > looking at the automatic trannie only. I am leaning towards the liberty > sport because of the greater room behind the front seats, for storing gear. > I have test driven them both, but only in city driving, > couldnt get the dealership to get to a highway with them.(but that is > another story) > > 1) The rav four seemed excellent in fit and finish. The engine seemed > smooth and the car felt great, except its a little cramped for space. > > 2) The jeep engine felt sound, but not as refined. The car also felt to not > handle as well . > > Questions: > From your experiences, what has the dependibility of newer jeep liberty > 4wd vehicles have been? I cant afford to have a vehicle that is constantly > in the shop. If I dont get to work on time, It is serious. > > Is the highway driving that bad? From reading reviews they talk > about the stiff drive, because the jeep is also a serious off roader, and > thus comprimised. I am willing to compromise a bit, because when it snows > and sleets at three in the mourning, I have no choice but to be in the > vehicle driving to or from work. I do like the jeeps rear room. > > So any actual experiences would be appreciated. One other > reason is that the wife actually likes the way the jeep fits her body. She > is short, and she also likes the visibility on the jeep. > > This is a tough decision. I have a parking situation > at work, thus I cant bring my larger suv to work. > Looked at the honda crv, and the pedals are too far away for wife. > > So please help me out..LOL > > > Thanks in advance > > |
Re: jeep sport liberty
keep in mind that the liberty is not really a Jeep, not in anyway, except
for the name that Krysler stuck on it. might investigate a good used cherokee, which was done by a completely different sent of engineering (and styling) parameters, by a different manufacturer. . The liberty is tip-prone by krysler's own admission, due to faulty (ignorant?) design parameters. IF you can stand the styling (?) gawkiness and weird proportions and irrelevent dips and bulges and odd angles, then the liberty just might be for you. but please don't refer to it as Jeep. It is not. "j.lef" <j.lef@verizon.net> wrote in message news:2xcPc.4246$uk3.2178@trndny06... > Sorry if this is wrong newsgroup for posting this > message. I need a fairly small vehicle, that has got to get me to work > everyday without fail no matter the weather. I live in the northeast, but > not too far north(one of the mid atlantic states). We can get heavy snow, > sleet and rain. > I have looked at the rav 4 , and the jeep liberty. I am > looking at the automatic trannie only. I am leaning towards the liberty > sport because of the greater room behind the front seats, for storing gear. > I have test driven them both, but only in city driving, > couldnt get the dealership to get to a highway with them.(but that is > another story) > > 1) The rav four seemed excellent in fit and finish. The engine seemed > smooth and the car felt great, except its a little cramped for space. > > 2) The jeep engine felt sound, but not as refined. The car also felt to not > handle as well . > > Questions: > From your experiences, what has the dependibility of newer jeep liberty > 4wd vehicles have been? I cant afford to have a vehicle that is constantly > in the shop. If I dont get to work on time, It is serious. > > Is the highway driving that bad? From reading reviews they talk > about the stiff drive, because the jeep is also a serious off roader, and > thus comprimised. I am willing to compromise a bit, because when it snows > and sleets at three in the mourning, I have no choice but to be in the > vehicle driving to or from work. I do like the jeeps rear room. > > So any actual experiences would be appreciated. One other > reason is that the wife actually likes the way the jeep fits her body. She > is short, and she also likes the visibility on the jeep. > > This is a tough decision. I have a parking situation > at work, thus I cant bring my larger suv to work. > Looked at the honda crv, and the pedals are too far away for wife. > > So please help me out..LOL > > > Thanks in advance > > |
Re: jeep sport liberty
It has the Jeep label, same as the TJ.
Time to get used to it too, attnews. ;-) Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's attnews wrote: > > keep in mind that the liberty is not really a Jeep, not in anyway, except > for the name that Krysler stuck on it. might investigate a good used > cherokee, which was done by a completely different sent of engineering (and > styling) parameters, by a different manufacturer. . The liberty is > tip-prone by krysler's own admission, due to faulty (ignorant?) design > parameters. IF you can stand the styling (?) gawkiness and weird proportions > and irrelevent dips and bulges and odd angles, then the liberty just might > be for you. but please don't refer to it as Jeep. It is not. > "j.lef" <j.lef@verizon.net> wrote in message > news:2xcPc.4246$uk3.2178@trndny06... > > Sorry if this is wrong newsgroup for posting this > > message. I need a fairly small vehicle, that has got to get me to work > > everyday without fail no matter the weather. I live in the northeast, but > > not too far north(one of the mid atlantic states). We can get heavy snow, > > sleet and rain. > > I have looked at the rav 4 , and the jeep liberty. I am > > looking at the automatic trannie only. I am leaning towards the liberty > > sport because of the greater room behind the front seats, for storing > gear. > > I have test driven them both, but only in city driving, > > couldnt get the dealership to get to a highway with them.(but that is > > another story) > > > > 1) The rav four seemed excellent in fit and finish. The engine seemed > > smooth and the car felt great, except its a little cramped for space. > > > > 2) The jeep engine felt sound, but not as refined. The car also felt to > not > > handle as well . > > > > Questions: > > From your experiences, what has the dependibility of newer jeep > liberty > > 4wd vehicles have been? I cant afford to have a vehicle that is > constantly > > in the shop. If I dont get to work on time, It is serious. > > > > Is the highway driving that bad? From reading reviews they talk > > about the stiff drive, because the jeep is also a serious off roader, and > > thus comprimised. I am willing to compromise a bit, because when it snows > > and sleets at three in the mourning, I have no choice but to be in the > > vehicle driving to or from work. I do like the jeeps rear room. > > > > So any actual experiences would be appreciated. One other > > reason is that the wife actually likes the way the jeep fits her body. She > > is short, and she also likes the visibility on the jeep. > > > > This is a tough decision. I have a parking > situation > > at work, thus I cant bring my larger suv to work. > > Looked at the honda crv, and the pedals are too far away for wife. > > > > So please help me out..LOL > > > > > > Thanks in advance > > > > |
Re: jeep sport liberty
It has the Jeep label, same as the TJ.
Time to get used to it too, attnews. ;-) Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's attnews wrote: > > keep in mind that the liberty is not really a Jeep, not in anyway, except > for the name that Krysler stuck on it. might investigate a good used > cherokee, which was done by a completely different sent of engineering (and > styling) parameters, by a different manufacturer. . The liberty is > tip-prone by krysler's own admission, due to faulty (ignorant?) design > parameters. IF you can stand the styling (?) gawkiness and weird proportions > and irrelevent dips and bulges and odd angles, then the liberty just might > be for you. but please don't refer to it as Jeep. It is not. > "j.lef" <j.lef@verizon.net> wrote in message > news:2xcPc.4246$uk3.2178@trndny06... > > Sorry if this is wrong newsgroup for posting this > > message. I need a fairly small vehicle, that has got to get me to work > > everyday without fail no matter the weather. I live in the northeast, but > > not too far north(one of the mid atlantic states). We can get heavy snow, > > sleet and rain. > > I have looked at the rav 4 , and the jeep liberty. I am > > looking at the automatic trannie only. I am leaning towards the liberty > > sport because of the greater room behind the front seats, for storing > gear. > > I have test driven them both, but only in city driving, > > couldnt get the dealership to get to a highway with them.(but that is > > another story) > > > > 1) The rav four seemed excellent in fit and finish. The engine seemed > > smooth and the car felt great, except its a little cramped for space. > > > > 2) The jeep engine felt sound, but not as refined. The car also felt to > not > > handle as well . > > > > Questions: > > From your experiences, what has the dependibility of newer jeep > liberty > > 4wd vehicles have been? I cant afford to have a vehicle that is > constantly > > in the shop. If I dont get to work on time, It is serious. > > > > Is the highway driving that bad? From reading reviews they talk > > about the stiff drive, because the jeep is also a serious off roader, and > > thus comprimised. I am willing to compromise a bit, because when it snows > > and sleets at three in the mourning, I have no choice but to be in the > > vehicle driving to or from work. I do like the jeeps rear room. > > > > So any actual experiences would be appreciated. One other > > reason is that the wife actually likes the way the jeep fits her body. She > > is short, and she also likes the visibility on the jeep. > > > > This is a tough decision. I have a parking > situation > > at work, thus I cant bring my larger suv to work. > > Looked at the honda crv, and the pedals are too far away for wife. > > > > So please help me out..LOL > > > > > > Thanks in advance > > > > |
Re: jeep sport liberty
It has the Jeep label, same as the TJ.
Time to get used to it too, attnews. ;-) Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's attnews wrote: > > keep in mind that the liberty is not really a Jeep, not in anyway, except > for the name that Krysler stuck on it. might investigate a good used > cherokee, which was done by a completely different sent of engineering (and > styling) parameters, by a different manufacturer. . The liberty is > tip-prone by krysler's own admission, due to faulty (ignorant?) design > parameters. IF you can stand the styling (?) gawkiness and weird proportions > and irrelevent dips and bulges and odd angles, then the liberty just might > be for you. but please don't refer to it as Jeep. It is not. > "j.lef" <j.lef@verizon.net> wrote in message > news:2xcPc.4246$uk3.2178@trndny06... > > Sorry if this is wrong newsgroup for posting this > > message. I need a fairly small vehicle, that has got to get me to work > > everyday without fail no matter the weather. I live in the northeast, but > > not too far north(one of the mid atlantic states). We can get heavy snow, > > sleet and rain. > > I have looked at the rav 4 , and the jeep liberty. I am > > looking at the automatic trannie only. I am leaning towards the liberty > > sport because of the greater room behind the front seats, for storing > gear. > > I have test driven them both, but only in city driving, > > couldnt get the dealership to get to a highway with them.(but that is > > another story) > > > > 1) The rav four seemed excellent in fit and finish. The engine seemed > > smooth and the car felt great, except its a little cramped for space. > > > > 2) The jeep engine felt sound, but not as refined. The car also felt to > not > > handle as well . > > > > Questions: > > From your experiences, what has the dependibility of newer jeep > liberty > > 4wd vehicles have been? I cant afford to have a vehicle that is > constantly > > in the shop. If I dont get to work on time, It is serious. > > > > Is the highway driving that bad? From reading reviews they talk > > about the stiff drive, because the jeep is also a serious off roader, and > > thus comprimised. I am willing to compromise a bit, because when it snows > > and sleets at three in the mourning, I have no choice but to be in the > > vehicle driving to or from work. I do like the jeeps rear room. > > > > So any actual experiences would be appreciated. One other > > reason is that the wife actually likes the way the jeep fits her body. She > > is short, and she also likes the visibility on the jeep. > > > > This is a tough decision. I have a parking > situation > > at work, thus I cant bring my larger suv to work. > > Looked at the honda crv, and the pedals are too far away for wife. > > > > So please help me out..LOL > > > > > > Thanks in advance > > > > |
Re: jeep sport liberty
It has the Jeep label, same as the TJ.
Time to get used to it too, attnews. ;-) Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's attnews wrote: > > keep in mind that the liberty is not really a Jeep, not in anyway, except > for the name that Krysler stuck on it. might investigate a good used > cherokee, which was done by a completely different sent of engineering (and > styling) parameters, by a different manufacturer. . The liberty is > tip-prone by krysler's own admission, due to faulty (ignorant?) design > parameters. IF you can stand the styling (?) gawkiness and weird proportions > and irrelevent dips and bulges and odd angles, then the liberty just might > be for you. but please don't refer to it as Jeep. It is not. > "j.lef" <j.lef@verizon.net> wrote in message > news:2xcPc.4246$uk3.2178@trndny06... > > Sorry if this is wrong newsgroup for posting this > > message. I need a fairly small vehicle, that has got to get me to work > > everyday without fail no matter the weather. I live in the northeast, but > > not too far north(one of the mid atlantic states). We can get heavy snow, > > sleet and rain. > > I have looked at the rav 4 , and the jeep liberty. I am > > looking at the automatic trannie only. I am leaning towards the liberty > > sport because of the greater room behind the front seats, for storing > gear. > > I have test driven them both, but only in city driving, > > couldnt get the dealership to get to a highway with them.(but that is > > another story) > > > > 1) The rav four seemed excellent in fit and finish. The engine seemed > > smooth and the car felt great, except its a little cramped for space. > > > > 2) The jeep engine felt sound, but not as refined. The car also felt to > not > > handle as well . > > > > Questions: > > From your experiences, what has the dependibility of newer jeep > liberty > > 4wd vehicles have been? I cant afford to have a vehicle that is > constantly > > in the shop. If I dont get to work on time, It is serious. > > > > Is the highway driving that bad? From reading reviews they talk > > about the stiff drive, because the jeep is also a serious off roader, and > > thus comprimised. I am willing to compromise a bit, because when it snows > > and sleets at three in the mourning, I have no choice but to be in the > > vehicle driving to or from work. I do like the jeeps rear room. > > > > So any actual experiences would be appreciated. One other > > reason is that the wife actually likes the way the jeep fits her body. She > > is short, and she also likes the visibility on the jeep. > > > > This is a tough decision. I have a parking > situation > > at work, thus I cant bring my larger suv to work. > > Looked at the honda crv, and the pedals are too far away for wife. > > > > So please help me out..LOL > > > > > > Thanks in advance > > > > |
Re: jeep sport liberty
The Liberty is a JEEP as any other one. His goal is not exactly the same
as a TJ but it still a JEEP. lol "attnews" <john .n. allen@worldnet.att.net> a écrit dans le message de news:bGsPc.165523$OB3.36396@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... > keep in mind that the liberty is not really a Jeep, not in anyway, except > for the name that Krysler stuck on it. might investigate a good used > cherokee, which was done by a completely different sent of engineering (and > styling) parameters, by a different manufacturer. . The liberty is > tip-prone by krysler's own admission, due to faulty (ignorant?) design > parameters. IF you can stand the styling (?) gawkiness and weird proportions > and irrelevent dips and bulges and odd angles, then the liberty just might > be for you. but please don't refer to it as Jeep. It is not. > "j.lef" <j.lef@verizon.net> wrote in message > news:2xcPc.4246$uk3.2178@trndny06... > > Sorry if this is wrong newsgroup for posting this > > message. I need a fairly small vehicle, that has got to get me to work > > everyday without fail no matter the weather. I live in the northeast, but > > not too far north(one of the mid atlantic states). We can get heavy snow, > > sleet and rain. > > I have looked at the rav 4 , and the jeep liberty. I am > > looking at the automatic trannie only. I am leaning towards the liberty > > sport because of the greater room behind the front seats, for storing > gear. > > I have test driven them both, but only in city driving, > > couldnt get the dealership to get to a highway with them.(but that is > > another story) > > > > 1) The rav four seemed excellent in fit and finish. The engine seemed > > smooth and the car felt great, except its a little cramped for space. > > > > 2) The jeep engine felt sound, but not as refined. The car also felt to > not > > handle as well . > > > > Questions: > > From your experiences, what has the dependibility of newer jeep > liberty > > 4wd vehicles have been? I cant afford to have a vehicle that is > constantly > > in the shop. If I dont get to work on time, It is serious. > > > > Is the highway driving that bad? From reading reviews they talk > > about the stiff drive, because the jeep is also a serious off roader, and > > thus comprimised. I am willing to compromise a bit, because when it snows > > and sleets at three in the mourning, I have no choice but to be in the > > vehicle driving to or from work. I do like the jeeps rear room. > > > > So any actual experiences would be appreciated. One other > > reason is that the wife actually likes the way the jeep fits her body. She > > is short, and she also likes the visibility on the jeep. > > > > This is a tough decision. I have a parking > situation > > at work, thus I cant bring my larger suv to work. > > Looked at the honda crv, and the pedals are too far away for wife. > > > > So please help me out..LOL > > > > > > Thanks in advance > > > > > > |
Re: jeep sport liberty
The Liberty is a JEEP as any other one. His goal is not exactly the same
as a TJ but it still a JEEP. lol "attnews" <john .n. allen@worldnet.att.net> a écrit dans le message de news:bGsPc.165523$OB3.36396@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... > keep in mind that the liberty is not really a Jeep, not in anyway, except > for the name that Krysler stuck on it. might investigate a good used > cherokee, which was done by a completely different sent of engineering (and > styling) parameters, by a different manufacturer. . The liberty is > tip-prone by krysler's own admission, due to faulty (ignorant?) design > parameters. IF you can stand the styling (?) gawkiness and weird proportions > and irrelevent dips and bulges and odd angles, then the liberty just might > be for you. but please don't refer to it as Jeep. It is not. > "j.lef" <j.lef@verizon.net> wrote in message > news:2xcPc.4246$uk3.2178@trndny06... > > Sorry if this is wrong newsgroup for posting this > > message. I need a fairly small vehicle, that has got to get me to work > > everyday without fail no matter the weather. I live in the northeast, but > > not too far north(one of the mid atlantic states). We can get heavy snow, > > sleet and rain. > > I have looked at the rav 4 , and the jeep liberty. I am > > looking at the automatic trannie only. I am leaning towards the liberty > > sport because of the greater room behind the front seats, for storing > gear. > > I have test driven them both, but only in city driving, > > couldnt get the dealership to get to a highway with them.(but that is > > another story) > > > > 1) The rav four seemed excellent in fit and finish. The engine seemed > > smooth and the car felt great, except its a little cramped for space. > > > > 2) The jeep engine felt sound, but not as refined. The car also felt to > not > > handle as well . > > > > Questions: > > From your experiences, what has the dependibility of newer jeep > liberty > > 4wd vehicles have been? I cant afford to have a vehicle that is > constantly > > in the shop. If I dont get to work on time, It is serious. > > > > Is the highway driving that bad? From reading reviews they talk > > about the stiff drive, because the jeep is also a serious off roader, and > > thus comprimised. I am willing to compromise a bit, because when it snows > > and sleets at three in the mourning, I have no choice but to be in the > > vehicle driving to or from work. I do like the jeeps rear room. > > > > So any actual experiences would be appreciated. One other > > reason is that the wife actually likes the way the jeep fits her body. She > > is short, and she also likes the visibility on the jeep. > > > > This is a tough decision. I have a parking > situation > > at work, thus I cant bring my larger suv to work. > > Looked at the honda crv, and the pedals are too far away for wife. > > > > So please help me out..LOL > > > > > > Thanks in advance > > > > > > |
Re: jeep sport liberty
The Liberty is a JEEP as any other one. His goal is not exactly the same
as a TJ but it still a JEEP. lol "attnews" <john .n. allen@worldnet.att.net> a écrit dans le message de news:bGsPc.165523$OB3.36396@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... > keep in mind that the liberty is not really a Jeep, not in anyway, except > for the name that Krysler stuck on it. might investigate a good used > cherokee, which was done by a completely different sent of engineering (and > styling) parameters, by a different manufacturer. . The liberty is > tip-prone by krysler's own admission, due to faulty (ignorant?) design > parameters. IF you can stand the styling (?) gawkiness and weird proportions > and irrelevent dips and bulges and odd angles, then the liberty just might > be for you. but please don't refer to it as Jeep. It is not. > "j.lef" <j.lef@verizon.net> wrote in message > news:2xcPc.4246$uk3.2178@trndny06... > > Sorry if this is wrong newsgroup for posting this > > message. I need a fairly small vehicle, that has got to get me to work > > everyday without fail no matter the weather. I live in the northeast, but > > not too far north(one of the mid atlantic states). We can get heavy snow, > > sleet and rain. > > I have looked at the rav 4 , and the jeep liberty. I am > > looking at the automatic trannie only. I am leaning towards the liberty > > sport because of the greater room behind the front seats, for storing > gear. > > I have test driven them both, but only in city driving, > > couldnt get the dealership to get to a highway with them.(but that is > > another story) > > > > 1) The rav four seemed excellent in fit and finish. The engine seemed > > smooth and the car felt great, except its a little cramped for space. > > > > 2) The jeep engine felt sound, but not as refined. The car also felt to > not > > handle as well . > > > > Questions: > > From your experiences, what has the dependibility of newer jeep > liberty > > 4wd vehicles have been? I cant afford to have a vehicle that is > constantly > > in the shop. If I dont get to work on time, It is serious. > > > > Is the highway driving that bad? From reading reviews they talk > > about the stiff drive, because the jeep is also a serious off roader, and > > thus comprimised. I am willing to compromise a bit, because when it snows > > and sleets at three in the mourning, I have no choice but to be in the > > vehicle driving to or from work. I do like the jeeps rear room. > > > > So any actual experiences would be appreciated. One other > > reason is that the wife actually likes the way the jeep fits her body. She > > is short, and she also likes the visibility on the jeep. > > > > This is a tough decision. I have a parking > situation > > at work, thus I cant bring my larger suv to work. > > Looked at the honda crv, and the pedals are too far away for wife. > > > > So please help me out..LOL > > > > > > Thanks in advance > > > > > > |
Re: jeep sport liberty
The Liberty is a JEEP as any other one. His goal is not exactly the same
as a TJ but it still a JEEP. lol "attnews" <john .n. allen@worldnet.att.net> a écrit dans le message de news:bGsPc.165523$OB3.36396@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... > keep in mind that the liberty is not really a Jeep, not in anyway, except > for the name that Krysler stuck on it. might investigate a good used > cherokee, which was done by a completely different sent of engineering (and > styling) parameters, by a different manufacturer. . The liberty is > tip-prone by krysler's own admission, due to faulty (ignorant?) design > parameters. IF you can stand the styling (?) gawkiness and weird proportions > and irrelevent dips and bulges and odd angles, then the liberty just might > be for you. but please don't refer to it as Jeep. It is not. > "j.lef" <j.lef@verizon.net> wrote in message > news:2xcPc.4246$uk3.2178@trndny06... > > Sorry if this is wrong newsgroup for posting this > > message. I need a fairly small vehicle, that has got to get me to work > > everyday without fail no matter the weather. I live in the northeast, but > > not too far north(one of the mid atlantic states). We can get heavy snow, > > sleet and rain. > > I have looked at the rav 4 , and the jeep liberty. I am > > looking at the automatic trannie only. I am leaning towards the liberty > > sport because of the greater room behind the front seats, for storing > gear. > > I have test driven them both, but only in city driving, > > couldnt get the dealership to get to a highway with them.(but that is > > another story) > > > > 1) The rav four seemed excellent in fit and finish. The engine seemed > > smooth and the car felt great, except its a little cramped for space. > > > > 2) The jeep engine felt sound, but not as refined. The car also felt to > not > > handle as well . > > > > Questions: > > From your experiences, what has the dependibility of newer jeep > liberty > > 4wd vehicles have been? I cant afford to have a vehicle that is > constantly > > in the shop. If I dont get to work on time, It is serious. > > > > Is the highway driving that bad? From reading reviews they talk > > about the stiff drive, because the jeep is also a serious off roader, and > > thus comprimised. I am willing to compromise a bit, because when it snows > > and sleets at three in the mourning, I have no choice but to be in the > > vehicle driving to or from work. I do like the jeeps rear room. > > > > So any actual experiences would be appreciated. One other > > reason is that the wife actually likes the way the jeep fits her body. She > > is short, and she also likes the visibility on the jeep. > > > > This is a tough decision. I have a parking > situation > > at work, thus I cant bring my larger suv to work. > > Looked at the honda crv, and the pedals are too far away for wife. > > > > So please help me out..LOL > > > > > > Thanks in advance > > > > > > |
Re: jeep sport liberty
>You jerk....How is this being a troll? And for what
>purpose and what direction? Get off my obstacle, you a hole. You have >nothing better to do with your time. > You have to realize that some people here consider the Liberty such an abomination that asking even intelligent questions about it is, in their definition, trolling. Been there, done that. Ignore them. This is not rec.autos.makers.jeep+willys.pre-1987. I'd personally never buy a Liberty, but judging by the number I see on the road a lot of people are. -- Monte Castleman, <<Spamfilter in Use>> Bloomington, MN <<to email, remove the "q" from address>> |
Re: jeep sport liberty
>You jerk....How is this being a troll? And for what
>purpose and what direction? Get off my obstacle, you a hole. You have >nothing better to do with your time. > You have to realize that some people here consider the Liberty such an abomination that asking even intelligent questions about it is, in their definition, trolling. Been there, done that. Ignore them. This is not rec.autos.makers.jeep+willys.pre-1987. I'd personally never buy a Liberty, but judging by the number I see on the road a lot of people are. -- Monte Castleman, <<Spamfilter in Use>> Bloomington, MN <<to email, remove the "q" from address>> |
Re: jeep sport liberty
>You jerk....How is this being a troll? And for what
>purpose and what direction? Get off my obstacle, you a hole. You have >nothing better to do with your time. > You have to realize that some people here consider the Liberty such an abomination that asking even intelligent questions about it is, in their definition, trolling. Been there, done that. Ignore them. This is not rec.autos.makers.jeep+willys.pre-1987. I'd personally never buy a Liberty, but judging by the number I see on the road a lot of people are. -- Monte Castleman, <<Spamfilter in Use>> Bloomington, MN <<to email, remove the "q" from address>> |
Re: jeep sport liberty
>You jerk....How is this being a troll? And for what
>purpose and what direction? Get off my obstacle, you a hole. You have >nothing better to do with your time. > You have to realize that some people here consider the Liberty such an abomination that asking even intelligent questions about it is, in their definition, trolling. Been there, done that. Ignore them. This is not rec.autos.makers.jeep+willys.pre-1987. I'd personally never buy a Liberty, but judging by the number I see on the road a lot of people are. -- Monte Castleman, <<Spamfilter in Use>> Bloomington, MN <<to email, remove the "q" from address>> |
Re: jeep sport liberty
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> > It 'isn't' a car. > > Jeeps have the sweetest, most well behaved 4x4 of any off road truck I > have ever seen or driven in and I have been bush running since the 70's. > > Jeeps also let you know 'real' fast if you are going to fast for > conditions, they get twitchy. Well, when a Jeep gets twitchy, check the > stopping distance, it won't easily let you outdrive the stopping power, > but it still can... > Thanks to all that have responded to me on group and directly. Its difficult sometimes making a decision, especially on something that cost 20,000 plus dollars, and something that you have to depend on day in and day out. I am in law enforcement and in the military, and thus need to get to work, no matter the conditions and need to stow gear and buddies sometimes, so dependability, space, and rugeddness in that order is whats important to me. I know the toyota quality having had two of them, and loving them. I also love my 13 year old dodge caravan with close to 200,00 on the odometer. I went with my spouse today, to sit in the jeep on the showroom floor again. She is a new driver(we are in our forties), and she will be driving vehicle occasionaly so it had to suit her also. (Shes the commanding officer at home, LOL ) She really likes both the rav4 and the toyota.I am a bigger guy and find the rav4 a bit small on the "belly room factor" LOL Darn, I wish I had the cash to buy one of each. Still open to more comments and opinions. This car will almost never be taken off road. 98 percent of time will be on paved roads. Thanks |
Re: jeep sport liberty
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> > It 'isn't' a car. > > Jeeps have the sweetest, most well behaved 4x4 of any off road truck I > have ever seen or driven in and I have been bush running since the 70's. > > Jeeps also let you know 'real' fast if you are going to fast for > conditions, they get twitchy. Well, when a Jeep gets twitchy, check the > stopping distance, it won't easily let you outdrive the stopping power, > but it still can... > Thanks to all that have responded to me on group and directly. Its difficult sometimes making a decision, especially on something that cost 20,000 plus dollars, and something that you have to depend on day in and day out. I am in law enforcement and in the military, and thus need to get to work, no matter the conditions and need to stow gear and buddies sometimes, so dependability, space, and rugeddness in that order is whats important to me. I know the toyota quality having had two of them, and loving them. I also love my 13 year old dodge caravan with close to 200,00 on the odometer. I went with my spouse today, to sit in the jeep on the showroom floor again. She is a new driver(we are in our forties), and she will be driving vehicle occasionaly so it had to suit her also. (Shes the commanding officer at home, LOL ) She really likes both the rav4 and the toyota.I am a bigger guy and find the rav4 a bit small on the "belly room factor" LOL Darn, I wish I had the cash to buy one of each. Still open to more comments and opinions. This car will almost never be taken off road. 98 percent of time will be on paved roads. Thanks |
Re: jeep sport liberty
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> > It 'isn't' a car. > > Jeeps have the sweetest, most well behaved 4x4 of any off road truck I > have ever seen or driven in and I have been bush running since the 70's. > > Jeeps also let you know 'real' fast if you are going to fast for > conditions, they get twitchy. Well, when a Jeep gets twitchy, check the > stopping distance, it won't easily let you outdrive the stopping power, > but it still can... > Thanks to all that have responded to me on group and directly. Its difficult sometimes making a decision, especially on something that cost 20,000 plus dollars, and something that you have to depend on day in and day out. I am in law enforcement and in the military, and thus need to get to work, no matter the conditions and need to stow gear and buddies sometimes, so dependability, space, and rugeddness in that order is whats important to me. I know the toyota quality having had two of them, and loving them. I also love my 13 year old dodge caravan with close to 200,00 on the odometer. I went with my spouse today, to sit in the jeep on the showroom floor again. She is a new driver(we are in our forties), and she will be driving vehicle occasionaly so it had to suit her also. (Shes the commanding officer at home, LOL ) She really likes both the rav4 and the toyota.I am a bigger guy and find the rav4 a bit small on the "belly room factor" LOL Darn, I wish I had the cash to buy one of each. Still open to more comments and opinions. This car will almost never be taken off road. 98 percent of time will be on paved roads. Thanks |
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