RoyJ

:)

The Jeep is bad enough SAE, Metric, and Torix

Lon wrote:

> Buy a transitional era british sports car where you can enjoy whitworth,
> sae, and metric all within inches of each other.
>
> RoyJ proclaimed:
>
>> Of course the European standards for "suggested" bolt sizes from the
>> 60's and 70's did not include 15mm and 18mm. Then Ford went ahead and
>> did their 'sorta' metrification and changed 9/16" bolt heads to 15mm
>> and 11/16" to 18mm.
>>
>> Earle Horton wrote:
>>
>>> The transition to metric has taken a long time and is not yet complete.
>>> Worse, "standardization" hasn't done that much to get manufacturers
>>> to agree
>>> on anything. Whenever they can find an excuse to make a part to
>>> different
>>> standards, they all cheerfully do so.
>>>
>>> Earle
>>>
>>> "merrill" <merrill@can.rogers.com> wrote in message
>>> news:1168644161.614125.71740@v45g2000cwv.googlegro ups.com...
>>>
>>>> FWIW, I get out 2 sets of tools for any problem and put a plastic
>>>> garbage can lid under the hood (or close by) so I can fill it with
>>>> hardware and tools as I work. When I get finished, I just put the tools
>>>> away and dump the old parts in the garbage.
>>>>
>>>> On really old rusty hardware I just pick whatever size out of both sets
>>>> of tools that fits best.
>>>>
>>>> I try to keep everything arranged in order to avoid mixing the
>>>> hardware. And yes, I have gone out to buy replacement hardware and
>>>> realized that I got the right size with the wrong thread. I like to
>>>> take the old part with me to check. I thought this was just a Canadian
>>>> problem, but ran into this on vehicles made in USA.
>>>>
>>>> Merrill
>>>>
>>>> Thoth1...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Stupendous Man wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> The short answer is no. Not all domestic cars are metric.
>>>>>> You should hold the Jeep closer to the computer so we can see what
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> year it
>>>
>>>>>> is.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Just to make it more confusing, if you are a machinist you are
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> probably
>>>
>>>>>> aware that there are different types of "Metric" threads requiring
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> different
>>>
>>>>>> tooling or techniques to reproduce.
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Stupendous Man,
>>>>>> Defender of Freedom, Advocate of Liberty
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 2002 TJ
>>>>> Yes - the different threads are a PITA as well. I had to go to a
>>>>> hardware store to get a nut for my Honda motorcycle last summer.
>>>>> Insane. It makes everyone everywhere have to buy all sets of tools.
>>>>> More money in "Their" pocket....
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>

Jeff Strickland

Yes, they are metric or standard. On several occasions, the bolt might be
metric or standard and the nut will be standard or metric.






<Thoth1126@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1168608035.114249.251660@11g2000cwr.googlegro ups.com...
>I have a nut where the front sway bar link bushing is (bottom) and I
> think it's an 18 mm deep well socket but not sure maybe it's inches?
> Are all Domestic cars metric? Thx
>

Jeff Strickland

Yes, they are metric or standard. On several occasions, the bolt might be
metric or standard and the nut will be standard or metric.






<Thoth1126@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1168608035.114249.251660@11g2000cwr.googlegro ups.com...
>I have a nut where the front sway bar link bushing is (bottom) and I
> think it's an 18 mm deep well socket but not sure maybe it's inches?
> Are all Domestic cars metric? Thx
>

Jeff Strickland

Yes, they are metric or standard. On several occasions, the bolt might be
metric or standard and the nut will be standard or metric.






<Thoth1126@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1168608035.114249.251660@11g2000cwr.googlegro ups.com...
>I have a nut where the front sway bar link bushing is (bottom) and I
> think it's an 18 mm deep well socket but not sure maybe it's inches?
> Are all Domestic cars metric? Thx
>

Jeff Strickland

Yes, they are metric or standard. On several occasions, the bolt might be
metric or standard and the nut will be standard or metric.






<Thoth1126@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1168608035.114249.251660@11g2000cwr.googlegro ups.com...
>I have a nut where the front sway bar link bushing is (bottom) and I
> think it's an 18 mm deep well socket but not sure maybe it's inches?
> Are all Domestic cars metric? Thx
>

Jon

Hm, I dunno about this "transition". Ever been by an aircraft hangar?

On the other hand, I'd give a king's ransom for some degree of
uniformity amongst fasteners on one vehicle, let alone multiple
manufacturers.

Jon

(BTW thanks to those who helped with some tire and tech q's, the TJ
survived a run out to Ocotillo just fine...)


Earle Horton wrote:
> The transition to metric has taken a long time and is not yet complete.
> Worse, "standardization" hasn't done that much to get manufacturers to agree
> on anything. Whenever they can find an excuse to make a part to different
> standards, they all cheerfully do so.
>
> Earle
>
> "merrill" <merrill@can.rogers.com> wrote in message
> news:1168644161.614125.71740@v45g2000cwv.googlegro ups.com...
> > FWIW, I get out 2 sets of tools for any problem and put a plastic
> > garbage can lid under the hood (or close by) so I can fill it with
> > hardware and tools as I work. When I get finished, I just put the tools
> > away and dump the old parts in the garbage.
> >
> > On really old rusty hardware I just pick whatever size out of both sets
> > of tools that fits best.
> >
> > I try to keep everything arranged in order to avoid mixing the
> > hardware. And yes, I have gone out to buy replacement hardware and
> > realized that I got the right size with the wrong thread. I like to
> > take the old part with me to check. I thought this was just a Canadian
> > problem, but ran into this on vehicles made in USA.
> >
> > Merrill
> >
> > Thoth1...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > Stupendous Man wrote:
> > >
> > > > The short answer is no. Not all domestic cars are metric.
> > > > You should hold the Jeep closer to the computer so we can see what
> year it
> > > > is.
> > >
> > > > Just to make it more confusing, if you are a machinist you are
> probably
> > > > aware that there are different types of "Metric" threads requiring
> different
> > > > tooling or techniques to reproduce.
> > > > --
> > > > Stupendous Man,
> > > > Defender of Freedom, Advocate of Liberty
> > >
> > > 2002 TJ
> > > Yes - the different threads are a PITA as well. I had to go to a
> > > hardware store to get a nut for my Honda motorcycle last summer.
> > > Insane. It makes everyone everywhere have to buy all sets of tools.
> > > More money in "Their" pocket....
> >

Jon

Hm, I dunno about this "transition". Ever been by an aircraft hangar?

On the other hand, I'd give a king's ransom for some degree of
uniformity amongst fasteners on one vehicle, let alone multiple
manufacturers.

Jon

(BTW thanks to those who helped with some tire and tech q's, the TJ
survived a run out to Ocotillo just fine...)


Earle Horton wrote:
> The transition to metric has taken a long time and is not yet complete.
> Worse, "standardization" hasn't done that much to get manufacturers to agree
> on anything. Whenever they can find an excuse to make a part to different
> standards, they all cheerfully do so.
>
> Earle
>
> "merrill" <merrill@can.rogers.com> wrote in message
> news:1168644161.614125.71740@v45g2000cwv.googlegro ups.com...
> > FWIW, I get out 2 sets of tools for any problem and put a plastic
> > garbage can lid under the hood (or close by) so I can fill it with
> > hardware and tools as I work. When I get finished, I just put the tools
> > away and dump the old parts in the garbage.
> >
> > On really old rusty hardware I just pick whatever size out of both sets
> > of tools that fits best.
> >
> > I try to keep everything arranged in order to avoid mixing the
> > hardware. And yes, I have gone out to buy replacement hardware and
> > realized that I got the right size with the wrong thread. I like to
> > take the old part with me to check. I thought this was just a Canadian
> > problem, but ran into this on vehicles made in USA.
> >
> > Merrill
> >
> > Thoth1...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > Stupendous Man wrote:
> > >
> > > > The short answer is no. Not all domestic cars are metric.
> > > > You should hold the Jeep closer to the computer so we can see what
> year it
> > > > is.
> > >
> > > > Just to make it more confusing, if you are a machinist you are
> probably
> > > > aware that there are different types of "Metric" threads requiring
> different
> > > > tooling or techniques to reproduce.
> > > > --
> > > > Stupendous Man,
> > > > Defender of Freedom, Advocate of Liberty
> > >
> > > 2002 TJ
> > > Yes - the different threads are a PITA as well. I had to go to a
> > > hardware store to get a nut for my Honda motorcycle last summer.
> > > Insane. It makes everyone everywhere have to buy all sets of tools.
> > > More money in "Their" pocket....
> >

Jon

Hm, I dunno about this "transition". Ever been by an aircraft hangar?

On the other hand, I'd give a king's ransom for some degree of
uniformity amongst fasteners on one vehicle, let alone multiple
manufacturers.

Jon

(BTW thanks to those who helped with some tire and tech q's, the TJ
survived a run out to Ocotillo just fine...)


Earle Horton wrote:
> The transition to metric has taken a long time and is not yet complete.
> Worse, "standardization" hasn't done that much to get manufacturers to agree
> on anything. Whenever they can find an excuse to make a part to different
> standards, they all cheerfully do so.
>
> Earle
>
> "merrill" <merrill@can.rogers.com> wrote in message
> news:1168644161.614125.71740@v45g2000cwv.googlegro ups.com...
> > FWIW, I get out 2 sets of tools for any problem and put a plastic
> > garbage can lid under the hood (or close by) so I can fill it with
> > hardware and tools as I work. When I get finished, I just put the tools
> > away and dump the old parts in the garbage.
> >
> > On really old rusty hardware I just pick whatever size out of both sets
> > of tools that fits best.
> >
> > I try to keep everything arranged in order to avoid mixing the
> > hardware. And yes, I have gone out to buy replacement hardware and
> > realized that I got the right size with the wrong thread. I like to
> > take the old part with me to check. I thought this was just a Canadian
> > problem, but ran into this on vehicles made in USA.
> >
> > Merrill
> >
> > Thoth1...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > Stupendous Man wrote:
> > >
> > > > The short answer is no. Not all domestic cars are metric.
> > > > You should hold the Jeep closer to the computer so we can see what
> year it
> > > > is.
> > >
> > > > Just to make it more confusing, if you are a machinist you are
> probably
> > > > aware that there are different types of "Metric" threads requiring
> different
> > > > tooling or techniques to reproduce.
> > > > --
> > > > Stupendous Man,
> > > > Defender of Freedom, Advocate of Liberty
> > >
> > > 2002 TJ
> > > Yes - the different threads are a PITA as well. I had to go to a
> > > hardware store to get a nut for my Honda motorcycle last summer.
> > > Insane. It makes everyone everywhere have to buy all sets of tools.
> > > More money in "Their" pocket....
> >

Jon

Hm, I dunno about this "transition". Ever been by an aircraft hangar?

On the other hand, I'd give a king's ransom for some degree of
uniformity amongst fasteners on one vehicle, let alone multiple
manufacturers.

Jon

(BTW thanks to those who helped with some tire and tech q's, the TJ
survived a run out to Ocotillo just fine...)


Earle Horton wrote:
> The transition to metric has taken a long time and is not yet complete.
> Worse, "standardization" hasn't done that much to get manufacturers to agree
> on anything. Whenever they can find an excuse to make a part to different
> standards, they all cheerfully do so.
>
> Earle
>
> "merrill" <merrill@can.rogers.com> wrote in message
> news:1168644161.614125.71740@v45g2000cwv.googlegro ups.com...
> > FWIW, I get out 2 sets of tools for any problem and put a plastic
> > garbage can lid under the hood (or close by) so I can fill it with
> > hardware and tools as I work. When I get finished, I just put the tools
> > away and dump the old parts in the garbage.
> >
> > On really old rusty hardware I just pick whatever size out of both sets
> > of tools that fits best.
> >
> > I try to keep everything arranged in order to avoid mixing the
> > hardware. And yes, I have gone out to buy replacement hardware and
> > realized that I got the right size with the wrong thread. I like to
> > take the old part with me to check. I thought this was just a Canadian
> > problem, but ran into this on vehicles made in USA.
> >
> > Merrill
> >
> > Thoth1...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > Stupendous Man wrote:
> > >
> > > > The short answer is no. Not all domestic cars are metric.
> > > > You should hold the Jeep closer to the computer so we can see what
> year it
> > > > is.
> > >
> > > > Just to make it more confusing, if you are a machinist you are
> probably
> > > > aware that there are different types of "Metric" threads requiring
> different
> > > > tooling or techniques to reproduce.
> > > > --
> > > > Stupendous Man,
> > > > Defender of Freedom, Advocate of Liberty
> > >
> > > 2002 TJ
> > > Yes - the different threads are a PITA as well. I had to go to a
> > > hardware store to get a nut for my Honda motorcycle last summer.
> > > Insane. It makes everyone everywhere have to buy all sets of tools.
> > > More money in "Their" pocket....
> >