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Jeep Liberty recalled
Today I read on our local swiss press about a large recall for the liberty (still called cherokee over here). A link: <http://www.msnbc.com/news/991534.asp> Some short detail: CHRYSLER, A unit of DaimlerChrysler AG, said the problem in the front suspension stems from the lower ball joint seal, which could become damaged and eventually result in loss of control. It looks that the famour 'how to break a hummer' video could have been filmed featuring a Liberty on a paved road... Markus -- Markus Baertschi Phone: ++41 (21) 807 1677 Bas du Rossé 14b Fax : ++41 (21) 807 1678 CH-1163, Etoy Email: markus@markus.org Switzerland Homepage: www.markus.org |
Re: Jeep Liberty recalled
Markus Baertschi wrote in message ... > >Today I read on our local swiss press about a large recall for the >liberty (still called cherokee over here). > >A link: <http://www.msnbc.com/news/991534.asp> > And here is another article on the same subject: http://www.omaha.com/index.php?u_pg=711&u_sid=911016 Here's the meat of it: "Chrysler Group said Friday it is recalling 318,000 Jeep Liberties because of a problem with the suspension that could cause drivers to lose control. " "Chrysler said the lower ball joint seal in 2002 and some 2003 Jeep Liberties is wearing away, which could affect the vehicle's suspension. In addition to the 318,000 recalls, Chrysler plans to investigate 120,000 other 2003 Jeep Liberties to make sure they aren't affected." "Ford said Chrysler started an internal investigation after getting 10 complaints about lower ball joint failures. The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration has received eight complaints about the Jeep Liberty's lower ball joints, including several that failed on new vehicles. " My girl friend is wanting to buy an 04 Liberty this week, but I don't know now. Does anyone know why they have had apparently the same problem for 3 years? What takes place during the recall? Are they fixing the problem or just replacing the worn-out part with a new (ready to fail) part? Is this a defective parts or just a design flaw? Cheers, Jim <=======Looking closer at Ford's! |
Re: Jeep Liberty recalled
Markus Baertschi wrote in message ... > >Today I read on our local swiss press about a large recall for the >liberty (still called cherokee over here). > >A link: <http://www.msnbc.com/news/991534.asp> > And here is another article on the same subject: http://www.omaha.com/index.php?u_pg=711&u_sid=911016 Here's the meat of it: "Chrysler Group said Friday it is recalling 318,000 Jeep Liberties because of a problem with the suspension that could cause drivers to lose control. " "Chrysler said the lower ball joint seal in 2002 and some 2003 Jeep Liberties is wearing away, which could affect the vehicle's suspension. In addition to the 318,000 recalls, Chrysler plans to investigate 120,000 other 2003 Jeep Liberties to make sure they aren't affected." "Ford said Chrysler started an internal investigation after getting 10 complaints about lower ball joint failures. The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration has received eight complaints about the Jeep Liberty's lower ball joints, including several that failed on new vehicles. " My girl friend is wanting to buy an 04 Liberty this week, but I don't know now. Does anyone know why they have had apparently the same problem for 3 years? What takes place during the recall? Are they fixing the problem or just replacing the worn-out part with a new (ready to fail) part? Is this a defective parts or just a design flaw? Cheers, Jim <=======Looking closer at Ford's! |
Re: Jeep Liberty recalled
Markus Baertschi wrote in message ... > >Today I read on our local swiss press about a large recall for the >liberty (still called cherokee over here). > >A link: <http://www.msnbc.com/news/991534.asp> > And here is another article on the same subject: http://www.omaha.com/index.php?u_pg=711&u_sid=911016 Here's the meat of it: "Chrysler Group said Friday it is recalling 318,000 Jeep Liberties because of a problem with the suspension that could cause drivers to lose control. " "Chrysler said the lower ball joint seal in 2002 and some 2003 Jeep Liberties is wearing away, which could affect the vehicle's suspension. In addition to the 318,000 recalls, Chrysler plans to investigate 120,000 other 2003 Jeep Liberties to make sure they aren't affected." "Ford said Chrysler started an internal investigation after getting 10 complaints about lower ball joint failures. The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration has received eight complaints about the Jeep Liberty's lower ball joints, including several that failed on new vehicles. " My girl friend is wanting to buy an 04 Liberty this week, but I don't know now. Does anyone know why they have had apparently the same problem for 3 years? What takes place during the recall? Are they fixing the problem or just replacing the worn-out part with a new (ready to fail) part? Is this a defective parts or just a design flaw? Cheers, Jim <=======Looking closer at Ford's! |
Re: Jeep Liberty recalled
Wait until that cast iron lower "A" frame that the ball joint sits
in begins to break on the road, much like that Hummer video Nathan put up. God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ Play4aBuck wrote: > > And here is another article on the same subject: > http://www.omaha.com/index.php?u_pg=711&u_sid=911016 > > Here's the meat of it: > > "Chrysler Group said Friday it is recalling 318,000 Jeep Liberties because > of a problem with the suspension that could cause drivers to lose control. " > > "Chrysler said the lower ball joint seal in 2002 and some 2003 Jeep > Liberties is wearing away, which could affect the vehicle's suspension. In > addition to the 318,000 recalls, Chrysler plans to investigate 120,000 other > 2003 Jeep Liberties to make sure they aren't affected." > > "Ford said Chrysler started an internal investigation after getting 10 > complaints about lower ball joint failures. The National Highway Traffic > Safety Administration has received eight complaints about the Jeep Liberty's > lower ball joints, including several that failed on new vehicles. " > > My girl friend is wanting to buy an 04 Liberty this week, but I don't know > now. > > Does anyone know why they have had apparently the same problem for 3 years? > What takes place during the recall? Are they fixing the problem or just > replacing the worn-out part with a new (ready to fail) part? Is this a > defective parts or just a design flaw? > > Cheers, > Jim <=======Looking closer at Ford's! |
Re: Jeep Liberty recalled
Wait until that cast iron lower "A" frame that the ball joint sits
in begins to break on the road, much like that Hummer video Nathan put up. God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ Play4aBuck wrote: > > And here is another article on the same subject: > http://www.omaha.com/index.php?u_pg=711&u_sid=911016 > > Here's the meat of it: > > "Chrysler Group said Friday it is recalling 318,000 Jeep Liberties because > of a problem with the suspension that could cause drivers to lose control. " > > "Chrysler said the lower ball joint seal in 2002 and some 2003 Jeep > Liberties is wearing away, which could affect the vehicle's suspension. In > addition to the 318,000 recalls, Chrysler plans to investigate 120,000 other > 2003 Jeep Liberties to make sure they aren't affected." > > "Ford said Chrysler started an internal investigation after getting 10 > complaints about lower ball joint failures. The National Highway Traffic > Safety Administration has received eight complaints about the Jeep Liberty's > lower ball joints, including several that failed on new vehicles. " > > My girl friend is wanting to buy an 04 Liberty this week, but I don't know > now. > > Does anyone know why they have had apparently the same problem for 3 years? > What takes place during the recall? Are they fixing the problem or just > replacing the worn-out part with a new (ready to fail) part? Is this a > defective parts or just a design flaw? > > Cheers, > Jim <=======Looking closer at Ford's! |
Re: Jeep Liberty recalled
Wait until that cast iron lower "A" frame that the ball joint sits
in begins to break on the road, much like that Hummer video Nathan put up. God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ Play4aBuck wrote: > > And here is another article on the same subject: > http://www.omaha.com/index.php?u_pg=711&u_sid=911016 > > Here's the meat of it: > > "Chrysler Group said Friday it is recalling 318,000 Jeep Liberties because > of a problem with the suspension that could cause drivers to lose control. " > > "Chrysler said the lower ball joint seal in 2002 and some 2003 Jeep > Liberties is wearing away, which could affect the vehicle's suspension. In > addition to the 318,000 recalls, Chrysler plans to investigate 120,000 other > 2003 Jeep Liberties to make sure they aren't affected." > > "Ford said Chrysler started an internal investigation after getting 10 > complaints about lower ball joint failures. The National Highway Traffic > Safety Administration has received eight complaints about the Jeep Liberty's > lower ball joints, including several that failed on new vehicles. " > > My girl friend is wanting to buy an 04 Liberty this week, but I don't know > now. > > Does anyone know why they have had apparently the same problem for 3 years? > What takes place during the recall? Are they fixing the problem or just > replacing the worn-out part with a new (ready to fail) part? Is this a > defective parts or just a design flaw? > > Cheers, > Jim <=======Looking closer at Ford's! |
Re: Jeep Liberty recalled
It seems that they've had ball joint issues on quite a few of their models.
I had a 99 Dakota that would go through a set every 40k matt "Markus Baertschi" <usenet@markus.org> wrote in message news:MPG.1a1c9fd944b68721989711@News.CIS.DFN.DE... > > Today I read on our local swiss press about a large recall for the > liberty (still called cherokee over here). > > A link: <http://www.msnbc.com/news/991534.asp> > > Some short detail: > CHRYSLER, A unit of DaimlerChrysler AG, said the problem in the front > suspension stems from the lower ball joint seal, which could become > damaged and eventually result in loss of control. > > It looks that the famour 'how to break a hummer' video could have been > filmed featuring a Liberty on a paved road... > > Markus > -- > Markus Baertschi Phone: ++41 (21) 807 1677 > Bas du Rossé 14b Fax : ++41 (21) 807 1678 > CH-1163, Etoy Email: markus@markus.org > Switzerland Homepage: www.markus.org --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.522 / Virus Database: 320 - Release Date: 9/29/2003 |
Re: Jeep Liberty recalled
It seems that they've had ball joint issues on quite a few of their models.
I had a 99 Dakota that would go through a set every 40k matt "Markus Baertschi" <usenet@markus.org> wrote in message news:MPG.1a1c9fd944b68721989711@News.CIS.DFN.DE... > > Today I read on our local swiss press about a large recall for the > liberty (still called cherokee over here). > > A link: <http://www.msnbc.com/news/991534.asp> > > Some short detail: > CHRYSLER, A unit of DaimlerChrysler AG, said the problem in the front > suspension stems from the lower ball joint seal, which could become > damaged and eventually result in loss of control. > > It looks that the famour 'how to break a hummer' video could have been > filmed featuring a Liberty on a paved road... > > Markus > -- > Markus Baertschi Phone: ++41 (21) 807 1677 > Bas du Rossé 14b Fax : ++41 (21) 807 1678 > CH-1163, Etoy Email: markus@markus.org > Switzerland Homepage: www.markus.org --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.522 / Virus Database: 320 - Release Date: 9/29/2003 |
Re: Jeep Liberty recalled
It seems that they've had ball joint issues on quite a few of their models.
I had a 99 Dakota that would go through a set every 40k matt "Markus Baertschi" <usenet@markus.org> wrote in message news:MPG.1a1c9fd944b68721989711@News.CIS.DFN.DE... > > Today I read on our local swiss press about a large recall for the > liberty (still called cherokee over here). > > A link: <http://www.msnbc.com/news/991534.asp> > > Some short detail: > CHRYSLER, A unit of DaimlerChrysler AG, said the problem in the front > suspension stems from the lower ball joint seal, which could become > damaged and eventually result in loss of control. > > It looks that the famour 'how to break a hummer' video could have been > filmed featuring a Liberty on a paved road... > > Markus > -- > Markus Baertschi Phone: ++41 (21) 807 1677 > Bas du Rossé 14b Fax : ++41 (21) 807 1678 > CH-1163, Etoy Email: markus@markus.org > Switzerland Homepage: www.markus.org --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.522 / Virus Database: 320 - Release Date: 9/29/2003 |
Re: Jeep Liberty recalled
Considering it's coming from a company that calls 12k miles the MAX life
on a rotor warranty-wise, I'd say 40k on one of their ball joints is like winning the lottery. (can you tell I'm perturbed about the rotor thing?) Matt wrote: > It seems that they've had ball joint issues on quite a few of their models. > > I had a 99 Dakota that would go through a set every 40k > > matt -- __________________________________________________ _________ tw 03 TJ Rubicon 01 XJ Sport There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." -- Dave Barry Pronunciation: 'jEp Function: noun Date: 1940 Etymology: probably from g. p. (abbreviation of general purpose) A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase, 1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in World War II. http://www.7slotgrille.com/jeepers/t...ron/index.html (Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email) __________________________________________________ _________ |
Re: Jeep Liberty recalled
Considering it's coming from a company that calls 12k miles the MAX life
on a rotor warranty-wise, I'd say 40k on one of their ball joints is like winning the lottery. (can you tell I'm perturbed about the rotor thing?) Matt wrote: > It seems that they've had ball joint issues on quite a few of their models. > > I had a 99 Dakota that would go through a set every 40k > > matt -- __________________________________________________ _________ tw 03 TJ Rubicon 01 XJ Sport There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." -- Dave Barry Pronunciation: 'jEp Function: noun Date: 1940 Etymology: probably from g. p. (abbreviation of general purpose) A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase, 1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in World War II. http://www.7slotgrille.com/jeepers/t...ron/index.html (Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email) __________________________________________________ _________ |
Re: Jeep Liberty recalled
Considering it's coming from a company that calls 12k miles the MAX life
on a rotor warranty-wise, I'd say 40k on one of their ball joints is like winning the lottery. (can you tell I'm perturbed about the rotor thing?) Matt wrote: > It seems that they've had ball joint issues on quite a few of their models. > > I had a 99 Dakota that would go through a set every 40k > > matt -- __________________________________________________ _________ tw 03 TJ Rubicon 01 XJ Sport There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." -- Dave Barry Pronunciation: 'jEp Function: noun Date: 1940 Etymology: probably from g. p. (abbreviation of general purpose) A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase, 1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in World War II. http://www.7slotgrille.com/jeepers/t...ron/index.html (Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email) __________________________________________________ _________ |
Re: Jeep Liberty recalled
>My girl friend is wanting to buy an 04 Liberty this week, but I don't know >now. Before she signs on the dotted line take one home for the night (any reasonable dealer will do this if you are serious about the car). Spend at least an hour in the seats and see if you are still comfortable. That is the one consistent complaint that I have heard and from the few of the first models I drove it was pretty apparent. They sit something akin to a church pew...without the cushions. Great for 10-20minutes but after that they are horrible. Same complaint from many owners. Otherwise, if the seats are good for you then enjoy the truck. I never did check to see if they updated the seats as time went on. (Btw, it didn't matter if they were cloth or leather, they were equally horrid) >Does anyone know why they have had apparently the same problem for 3 years? >What takes place during the recall? Are they fixing the problem or just >replacing the worn-out part with a new (ready to fail) part? Is this a >defective parts or just a design flaw? They should be using an updated part to replace the flawed ones. |
Re: Jeep Liberty recalled
>My girl friend is wanting to buy an 04 Liberty this week, but I don't know >now. Before she signs on the dotted line take one home for the night (any reasonable dealer will do this if you are serious about the car). Spend at least an hour in the seats and see if you are still comfortable. That is the one consistent complaint that I have heard and from the few of the first models I drove it was pretty apparent. They sit something akin to a church pew...without the cushions. Great for 10-20minutes but after that they are horrible. Same complaint from many owners. Otherwise, if the seats are good for you then enjoy the truck. I never did check to see if they updated the seats as time went on. (Btw, it didn't matter if they were cloth or leather, they were equally horrid) >Does anyone know why they have had apparently the same problem for 3 years? >What takes place during the recall? Are they fixing the problem or just >replacing the worn-out part with a new (ready to fail) part? Is this a >defective parts or just a design flaw? They should be using an updated part to replace the flawed ones. |
Re: Jeep Liberty recalled
>My girl friend is wanting to buy an 04 Liberty this week, but I don't know >now. Before she signs on the dotted line take one home for the night (any reasonable dealer will do this if you are serious about the car). Spend at least an hour in the seats and see if you are still comfortable. That is the one consistent complaint that I have heard and from the few of the first models I drove it was pretty apparent. They sit something akin to a church pew...without the cushions. Great for 10-20minutes but after that they are horrible. Same complaint from many owners. Otherwise, if the seats are good for you then enjoy the truck. I never did check to see if they updated the seats as time went on. (Btw, it didn't matter if they were cloth or leather, they were equally horrid) >Does anyone know why they have had apparently the same problem for 3 years? >What takes place during the recall? Are they fixing the problem or just >replacing the worn-out part with a new (ready to fail) part? Is this a >defective parts or just a design flaw? They should be using an updated part to replace the flawed ones. |
Re: Jeep Liberty recalled
you can translate "loss of control" as meaning the wheel fell off.
Do not mistake the Liberty as being a Jeep. No moreJeeps were designed/built after American Motor's designs. The last one in production is the wrangler, and even it has been compromised in various ways, but not to the complete detriment of the original design. Still, if you like t? )the liberty? Whynot? "Markus Baertschi" <usenet@markus.org> wrote in message news:MPG.1a1c9fd944b68721989711@News.CIS.DFN.DE... > > Today I read on our local swiss press about a large recall for the > liberty (still called cherokee over here). > > A link: <http://www.msnbc.com/news/991534.asp> > > Some short detail: > CHRYSLER, A unit of DaimlerChrysler AG, said the problem in the front > suspension stems from the lower ball joint seal, which could become > damaged and eventually result in loss of control. > > It looks that the famour 'how to break a hummer' video could have been > filmed featuring a Liberty on a paved road... > > Markus > -- > Markus Baertschi Phone: ++41 (21) 807 1677 > Bas du Rossé 14b Fax : ++41 (21) 807 1678 > CH-1163, Etoy Email: markus@markus.org > Switzerland Homepage: www.markus.org |
Re: Jeep Liberty recalled
you can translate "loss of control" as meaning the wheel fell off.
Do not mistake the Liberty as being a Jeep. No moreJeeps were designed/built after American Motor's designs. The last one in production is the wrangler, and even it has been compromised in various ways, but not to the complete detriment of the original design. Still, if you like t? )the liberty? Whynot? "Markus Baertschi" <usenet@markus.org> wrote in message news:MPG.1a1c9fd944b68721989711@News.CIS.DFN.DE... > > Today I read on our local swiss press about a large recall for the > liberty (still called cherokee over here). > > A link: <http://www.msnbc.com/news/991534.asp> > > Some short detail: > CHRYSLER, A unit of DaimlerChrysler AG, said the problem in the front > suspension stems from the lower ball joint seal, which could become > damaged and eventually result in loss of control. > > It looks that the famour 'how to break a hummer' video could have been > filmed featuring a Liberty on a paved road... > > Markus > -- > Markus Baertschi Phone: ++41 (21) 807 1677 > Bas du Rossé 14b Fax : ++41 (21) 807 1678 > CH-1163, Etoy Email: markus@markus.org > Switzerland Homepage: www.markus.org |
Re: Jeep Liberty recalled
you can translate "loss of control" as meaning the wheel fell off.
Do not mistake the Liberty as being a Jeep. No moreJeeps were designed/built after American Motor's designs. The last one in production is the wrangler, and even it has been compromised in various ways, but not to the complete detriment of the original design. Still, if you like t? )the liberty? Whynot? "Markus Baertschi" <usenet@markus.org> wrote in message news:MPG.1a1c9fd944b68721989711@News.CIS.DFN.DE... > > Today I read on our local swiss press about a large recall for the > liberty (still called cherokee over here). > > A link: <http://www.msnbc.com/news/991534.asp> > > Some short detail: > CHRYSLER, A unit of DaimlerChrysler AG, said the problem in the front > suspension stems from the lower ball joint seal, which could become > damaged and eventually result in loss of control. > > It looks that the famour 'how to break a hummer' video could have been > filmed featuring a Liberty on a paved road... > > Markus > -- > Markus Baertschi Phone: ++41 (21) 807 1677 > Bas du Rossé 14b Fax : ++41 (21) 807 1678 > CH-1163, Etoy Email: markus@markus.org > Switzerland Homepage: www.markus.org |
Re: Jeep Liberty recalled
Hi John,
One unbelievable compromise done to AMC's engineered Wrangler design, was to change the rear end to a "C" clip axles. What were they thinking? http://www.----------.com/dana35c God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- attnews wrote: > > you can translate "loss of control" as meaning the wheel fell off. > Do not mistake the Liberty as being a Jeep. No moreJeeps were > designed/built after American Motor's designs. The last one in production > is the wrangler, and even it has been compromised in various ways, but not > to the complete detriment of the original design. Still, if you like > t? )the liberty? Whynot? |
Re: Jeep Liberty recalled
Hi John,
One unbelievable compromise done to AMC's engineered Wrangler design, was to change the rear end to a "C" clip axles. What were they thinking? http://www.----------.com/dana35c God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- attnews wrote: > > you can translate "loss of control" as meaning the wheel fell off. > Do not mistake the Liberty as being a Jeep. No moreJeeps were > designed/built after American Motor's designs. The last one in production > is the wrangler, and even it has been compromised in various ways, but not > to the complete detriment of the original design. Still, if you like > t? )the liberty? Whynot? |
Re: Jeep Liberty recalled
Hi John,
One unbelievable compromise done to AMC's engineered Wrangler design, was to change the rear end to a "C" clip axles. What were they thinking? http://www.----------.com/dana35c God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- attnews wrote: > > you can translate "loss of control" as meaning the wheel fell off. > Do not mistake the Liberty as being a Jeep. No moreJeeps were > designed/built after American Motor's designs. The last one in production > is the wrangler, and even it has been compromised in various ways, but not > to the complete detriment of the original design. Still, if you like > t? )the liberty? Whynot? |
Re: Jeep Liberty recalled
"Let's save some big bucks on this axle assembly, no one will ever take
these things off road anyway?" Earle "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message news:3FB3E861.B25BBBD@cox.net... > Hi John, > One unbelievable compromise done to AMC's engineered Wrangler > design, was to change the rear end to a "C" clip axles. What were they > thinking? http://www.----------.com/dana35c > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O > mailto:-------------------- > > attnews wrote: > > > > you can translate "loss of control" as meaning the wheel fell off. > > Do not mistake the Liberty as being a Jeep. No moreJeeps were > > designed/built after American Motor's designs. The last one in production > > is the wrangler, and even it has been compromised in various ways, but not > > to the complete detriment of the original design. Still, if you like > > t? )the liberty? Whynot? |
Re: Jeep Liberty recalled
"Let's save some big bucks on this axle assembly, no one will ever take
these things off road anyway?" Earle "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message news:3FB3E861.B25BBBD@cox.net... > Hi John, > One unbelievable compromise done to AMC's engineered Wrangler > design, was to change the rear end to a "C" clip axles. What were they > thinking? http://www.----------.com/dana35c > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O > mailto:-------------------- > > attnews wrote: > > > > you can translate "loss of control" as meaning the wheel fell off. > > Do not mistake the Liberty as being a Jeep. No moreJeeps were > > designed/built after American Motor's designs. The last one in production > > is the wrangler, and even it has been compromised in various ways, but not > > to the complete detriment of the original design. Still, if you like > > t? )the liberty? Whynot? |
Re: Jeep Liberty recalled
"Let's save some big bucks on this axle assembly, no one will ever take
these things off road anyway?" Earle "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message news:3FB3E861.B25BBBD@cox.net... > Hi John, > One unbelievable compromise done to AMC's engineered Wrangler > design, was to change the rear end to a "C" clip axles. What were they > thinking? http://www.----------.com/dana35c > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O > mailto:-------------------- > > attnews wrote: > > > > you can translate "loss of control" as meaning the wheel fell off. > > Do not mistake the Liberty as being a Jeep. No moreJeeps were > > designed/built after American Motor's designs. The last one in production > > is the wrangler, and even it has been compromised in various ways, but not > > to the complete detriment of the original design. Still, if you like > > t? )the liberty? Whynot? |
Re: Jeep Liberty recalled
"This will make people want to get the Dana 44 ?"
Dave Milne, Scotland "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message news:3FB3E861.B25BBBD@cox.net... > Hi John, > One unbelievable compromise done to AMC's engineered Wrangler > design, was to change the rear end to a "C" clip axles. What were they > thinking? http://www.----------.com/dana35c > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O > mailto:-------------------- > > attnews wrote: > > > > you can translate "loss of control" as meaning the wheel fell off. > > Do not mistake the Liberty as being a Jeep. No moreJeeps were > > designed/built after American Motor's designs. The last one in production > > is the wrangler, and even it has been compromised in various ways, but not > > to the complete detriment of the original design. Still, if you like > > t? )the liberty? Whynot? |
Re: Jeep Liberty recalled
"This will make people want to get the Dana 44 ?"
Dave Milne, Scotland "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message news:3FB3E861.B25BBBD@cox.net... > Hi John, > One unbelievable compromise done to AMC's engineered Wrangler > design, was to change the rear end to a "C" clip axles. What were they > thinking? http://www.----------.com/dana35c > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O > mailto:-------------------- > > attnews wrote: > > > > you can translate "loss of control" as meaning the wheel fell off. > > Do not mistake the Liberty as being a Jeep. No moreJeeps were > > designed/built after American Motor's designs. The last one in production > > is the wrangler, and even it has been compromised in various ways, but not > > to the complete detriment of the original design. Still, if you like > > t? )the liberty? Whynot? |
Re: Jeep Liberty recalled
"This will make people want to get the Dana 44 ?"
Dave Milne, Scotland "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message news:3FB3E861.B25BBBD@cox.net... > Hi John, > One unbelievable compromise done to AMC's engineered Wrangler > design, was to change the rear end to a "C" clip axles. What were they > thinking? http://www.----------.com/dana35c > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O > mailto:-------------------- > > attnews wrote: > > > > you can translate "loss of control" as meaning the wheel fell off. > > Do not mistake the Liberty as being a Jeep. No moreJeeps were > > designed/built after American Motor's designs. The last one in production > > is the wrangler, and even it has been compromised in various ways, but not > > to the complete detriment of the original design. Still, if you like > > t? )the liberty? Whynot? |
Re: Jeep Liberty recalled
Say what you will about "AMC's designs", but I've owned two AMC CJ7s,
one AMC designed Chrysler YJ, and two Chrysler designed TJs. There is no question that there are huge design improvements over AMC's YJ in the development of the TJ. attnews wrote: > you can translate "loss of control" as meaning the wheel fell off. > Do not mistake the Liberty as being a Jeep. No moreJeeps were > designed/built after American Motor's designs. The last one in production > is the wrangler, and even it has been compromised in various ways, but not > to the complete detriment of the original design. Still, if you like > t? )the liberty? Whynot? > "Markus Baertschi" <usenet@markus.org> wrote in message > news:MPG.1a1c9fd944b68721989711@News.CIS.DFN.DE... -- __________________________________________________ _________ tw 03 TJ Rubicon 01 XJ Sport There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." -- Dave Barry Pronunciation: 'jEp Function: noun Date: 1940 Etymology: probably from g. p. (abbreviation of general purpose) A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase, 1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in World War II. http://www.7slotgrille.com/jeepers/t...ron/index.html (Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email) __________________________________________________ _________ |
Re: Jeep Liberty recalled
Say what you will about "AMC's designs", but I've owned two AMC CJ7s,
one AMC designed Chrysler YJ, and two Chrysler designed TJs. There is no question that there are huge design improvements over AMC's YJ in the development of the TJ. attnews wrote: > you can translate "loss of control" as meaning the wheel fell off. > Do not mistake the Liberty as being a Jeep. No moreJeeps were > designed/built after American Motor's designs. The last one in production > is the wrangler, and even it has been compromised in various ways, but not > to the complete detriment of the original design. Still, if you like > t? )the liberty? Whynot? > "Markus Baertschi" <usenet@markus.org> wrote in message > news:MPG.1a1c9fd944b68721989711@News.CIS.DFN.DE... -- __________________________________________________ _________ tw 03 TJ Rubicon 01 XJ Sport There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." -- Dave Barry Pronunciation: 'jEp Function: noun Date: 1940 Etymology: probably from g. p. (abbreviation of general purpose) A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase, 1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in World War II. http://www.7slotgrille.com/jeepers/t...ron/index.html (Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email) __________________________________________________ _________ |
Re: Jeep Liberty recalled
Say what you will about "AMC's designs", but I've owned two AMC CJ7s,
one AMC designed Chrysler YJ, and two Chrysler designed TJs. There is no question that there are huge design improvements over AMC's YJ in the development of the TJ. attnews wrote: > you can translate "loss of control" as meaning the wheel fell off. > Do not mistake the Liberty as being a Jeep. No moreJeeps were > designed/built after American Motor's designs. The last one in production > is the wrangler, and even it has been compromised in various ways, but not > to the complete detriment of the original design. Still, if you like > t? )the liberty? Whynot? > "Markus Baertschi" <usenet@markus.org> wrote in message > news:MPG.1a1c9fd944b68721989711@News.CIS.DFN.DE... -- __________________________________________________ _________ tw 03 TJ Rubicon 01 XJ Sport There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." -- Dave Barry Pronunciation: 'jEp Function: noun Date: 1940 Etymology: probably from g. p. (abbreviation of general purpose) A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase, 1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in World War II. http://www.7slotgrille.com/jeepers/t...ron/index.html (Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email) __________________________________________________ _________ |
Re: Jeep Liberty recalled
Are you trying convince yourself those coil springs are any good
other than a cushy ride on the street? God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ twaldron wrote: > > Say what you will about "AMC's designs", but I've owned two AMC CJ7s, > one AMC designed Chrysler YJ, and two Chrysler designed TJs. There is no > question that there are huge design improvements over AMC's YJ in the > development of the TJ. > __________________________________________________ _________ > tw > 03 TJ Rubicon > 01 XJ Sport > > There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." > -- Dave Barry > > Pronunciation: 'jEp > Function: noun > Date: 1940 > > Etymology: probably from g. p. (abbreviation of general purpose) > A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase, > 1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in > World War II. > > http://www.7slotgrille.com/jeepers/t...ron/index.html > (Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email) > __________________________________________________ _________ |
Re: Jeep Liberty recalled
Are you trying convince yourself those coil springs are any good
other than a cushy ride on the street? God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ twaldron wrote: > > Say what you will about "AMC's designs", but I've owned two AMC CJ7s, > one AMC designed Chrysler YJ, and two Chrysler designed TJs. There is no > question that there are huge design improvements over AMC's YJ in the > development of the TJ. > __________________________________________________ _________ > tw > 03 TJ Rubicon > 01 XJ Sport > > There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." > -- Dave Barry > > Pronunciation: 'jEp > Function: noun > Date: 1940 > > Etymology: probably from g. p. (abbreviation of general purpose) > A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase, > 1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in > World War II. > > http://www.7slotgrille.com/jeepers/t...ron/index.html > (Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email) > __________________________________________________ _________ |
Re: Jeep Liberty recalled
Are you trying convince yourself those coil springs are any good
other than a cushy ride on the street? God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ twaldron wrote: > > Say what you will about "AMC's designs", but I've owned two AMC CJ7s, > one AMC designed Chrysler YJ, and two Chrysler designed TJs. There is no > question that there are huge design improvements over AMC's YJ in the > development of the TJ. > __________________________________________________ _________ > tw > 03 TJ Rubicon > 01 XJ Sport > > There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." > -- Dave Barry > > Pronunciation: 'jEp > Function: noun > Date: 1940 > > Etymology: probably from g. p. (abbreviation of general purpose) > A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase, > 1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in > World War II. > > http://www.7slotgrille.com/jeepers/t...ron/index.html > (Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email) > __________________________________________________ _________ |
Re: Jeep Liberty recalled
It's a safety feature. You see coil springs make it harder to climb hills,
and if you get too high you could fall down. So the coil springs keep you down on the road where it's nice and safe... Earle "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message news:3FB40480.A36F1026@cox.net... > Are you trying convince yourself those coil springs are any good > other than a cushy ride on the street? > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ > > twaldron wrote: > > > > Say what you will about "AMC's designs", but I've owned two AMC CJ7s, > > one AMC designed Chrysler YJ, and two Chrysler designed TJs. There is no > > question that there are huge design improvements over AMC's YJ in the > > development of the TJ. > > __________________________________________________ _________ > > tw > > 03 TJ Rubicon > > 01 XJ Sport > > > > There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." > > -- Dave Barry > > > > Pronunciation: 'jEp > > Function: noun > > Date: 1940 > > > > Etymology: probably from g. p. (abbreviation of general purpose) > > A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase, > > 1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in > > World War II. > > > > http://www.7slotgrille.com/jeepers/t...ron/index.html > > (Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email) > > __________________________________________________ _________ |
Re: Jeep Liberty recalled
It's a safety feature. You see coil springs make it harder to climb hills,
and if you get too high you could fall down. So the coil springs keep you down on the road where it's nice and safe... Earle "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message news:3FB40480.A36F1026@cox.net... > Are you trying convince yourself those coil springs are any good > other than a cushy ride on the street? > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ > > twaldron wrote: > > > > Say what you will about "AMC's designs", but I've owned two AMC CJ7s, > > one AMC designed Chrysler YJ, and two Chrysler designed TJs. There is no > > question that there are huge design improvements over AMC's YJ in the > > development of the TJ. > > __________________________________________________ _________ > > tw > > 03 TJ Rubicon > > 01 XJ Sport > > > > There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." > > -- Dave Barry > > > > Pronunciation: 'jEp > > Function: noun > > Date: 1940 > > > > Etymology: probably from g. p. (abbreviation of general purpose) > > A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase, > > 1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in > > World War II. > > > > http://www.7slotgrille.com/jeepers/t...ron/index.html > > (Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email) > > __________________________________________________ _________ |
Re: Jeep Liberty recalled
It's a safety feature. You see coil springs make it harder to climb hills,
and if you get too high you could fall down. So the coil springs keep you down on the road where it's nice and safe... Earle "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message news:3FB40480.A36F1026@cox.net... > Are you trying convince yourself those coil springs are any good > other than a cushy ride on the street? > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ > > twaldron wrote: > > > > Say what you will about "AMC's designs", but I've owned two AMC CJ7s, > > one AMC designed Chrysler YJ, and two Chrysler designed TJs. There is no > > question that there are huge design improvements over AMC's YJ in the > > development of the TJ. > > __________________________________________________ _________ > > tw > > 03 TJ Rubicon > > 01 XJ Sport > > > > There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." > > -- Dave Barry > > > > Pronunciation: 'jEp > > Function: noun > > Date: 1940 > > > > Etymology: probably from g. p. (abbreviation of general purpose) > > A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase, > > 1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in > > World War II. > > > > http://www.7slotgrille.com/jeepers/t...ron/index.html > > (Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email) > > __________________________________________________ _________ |
Re: Jeep Liberty recalled
You Leaf Spring guys are all the same. :)
Earle Horton wrote: > It's a safety feature. You see coil springs make it harder to climb hills, > and if you get too high you could fall down. So the coil springs keep you > down on the road where it's nice and safe... > > Earle > > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message > news:3FB40480.A36F1026@cox.net... > >> Are you trying convince yourself those coil springs are any good >>other than a cushy ride on the street? >> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O >>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ >> >>twaldron wrote: >> >>>Say what you will about "AMC's designs", but I've owned two AMC CJ7s, >>>one AMC designed Chrysler YJ, and two Chrysler designed TJs. There is no >>>question that there are huge design improvements over AMC's YJ in the >>>development of the TJ. >>>_______________________________________________ ____________ >>>tw >>>03 TJ Rubicon >>>01 XJ Sport >>> >>>There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." >>>-- Dave Barry >>> >>>Pronunciation: 'jEp >>>Function: noun >>>Date: 1940 >>> >>>Etymology: probably from g. p. (abbreviation of general purpose) >>>A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase, >>>1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in >>>World War II. >>> >>>http://www.7slotgrille.com/jeepers/t...ron/index.html >>>(Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email) >>>_______________________________________________ ____________ > > > -- __________________________________________________ _________ tw 03 TJ Rubicon 01 XJ Sport There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." -- Dave Barry Pronunciation: 'jEp Function: noun Date: 1940 Etymology: probably from g. p. (abbreviation of general purpose) A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase, 1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in World War II. http://www.7slotgrille.com/jeepers/t...ron/index.html (Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email) __________________________________________________ _________ |
Re: Jeep Liberty recalled
You Leaf Spring guys are all the same. :)
Earle Horton wrote: > It's a safety feature. You see coil springs make it harder to climb hills, > and if you get too high you could fall down. So the coil springs keep you > down on the road where it's nice and safe... > > Earle > > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message > news:3FB40480.A36F1026@cox.net... > >> Are you trying convince yourself those coil springs are any good >>other than a cushy ride on the street? >> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O >>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ >> >>twaldron wrote: >> >>>Say what you will about "AMC's designs", but I've owned two AMC CJ7s, >>>one AMC designed Chrysler YJ, and two Chrysler designed TJs. There is no >>>question that there are huge design improvements over AMC's YJ in the >>>development of the TJ. >>>_______________________________________________ ____________ >>>tw >>>03 TJ Rubicon >>>01 XJ Sport >>> >>>There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." >>>-- Dave Barry >>> >>>Pronunciation: 'jEp >>>Function: noun >>>Date: 1940 >>> >>>Etymology: probably from g. p. (abbreviation of general purpose) >>>A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase, >>>1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in >>>World War II. >>> >>>http://www.7slotgrille.com/jeepers/t...ron/index.html >>>(Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email) >>>_______________________________________________ ____________ > > > -- __________________________________________________ _________ tw 03 TJ Rubicon 01 XJ Sport There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." -- Dave Barry Pronunciation: 'jEp Function: noun Date: 1940 Etymology: probably from g. p. (abbreviation of general purpose) A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase, 1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in World War II. http://www.7slotgrille.com/jeepers/t...ron/index.html (Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email) __________________________________________________ _________ |
Re: Jeep Liberty recalled
You Leaf Spring guys are all the same. :)
Earle Horton wrote: > It's a safety feature. You see coil springs make it harder to climb hills, > and if you get too high you could fall down. So the coil springs keep you > down on the road where it's nice and safe... > > Earle > > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message > news:3FB40480.A36F1026@cox.net... > >> Are you trying convince yourself those coil springs are any good >>other than a cushy ride on the street? >> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O >>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ >> >>twaldron wrote: >> >>>Say what you will about "AMC's designs", but I've owned two AMC CJ7s, >>>one AMC designed Chrysler YJ, and two Chrysler designed TJs. There is no >>>question that there are huge design improvements over AMC's YJ in the >>>development of the TJ. >>>_______________________________________________ ____________ >>>tw >>>03 TJ Rubicon >>>01 XJ Sport >>> >>>There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." >>>-- Dave Barry >>> >>>Pronunciation: 'jEp >>>Function: noun >>>Date: 1940 >>> >>>Etymology: probably from g. p. (abbreviation of general purpose) >>>A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase, >>>1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in >>>World War II. >>> >>>http://www.7slotgrille.com/jeepers/t...ron/index.html >>>(Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email) >>>_______________________________________________ ____________ > > > -- __________________________________________________ _________ tw 03 TJ Rubicon 01 XJ Sport There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." -- Dave Barry Pronunciation: 'jEp Function: noun Date: 1940 Etymology: probably from g. p. (abbreviation of general purpose) A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase, 1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in World War II. http://www.7slotgrille.com/jeepers/t...ron/index.html (Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email) __________________________________________________ _________ |
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