Jeep Liberty
12-21-2003, 09:01 PM
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Jeep Liberty
I was wondering if anyone else has experienced the same problem I am having
with my 2002 Liberty?
The first symptom was it started getting hard to start. It would turn over
fine, but took to long to fire up. Then the amber engine light came on and
then went off later. Took the vehicle to dealership and they said the plugs
were worn and ejectors needed cleaning. This was at 24,500 miles. Got
vehicle back, no improvement. Light came back on and stayed on, so I took
the vehicle back. Dealer put computer on and recorded a miss fire. They
reset the computer and gave me back the vehicle. I started vehicle up and
still it was hard to start. I drove vehicle off the lot and brought it
right back to them. They kept the vehicle for 1 1/2 weeks and replaced the
intake manifold for a vacuum leak. Light came back on with less then 100
miles. Then they replaced the head and things got worse. It now has a real
noticeable miss at idle fine over 1000 rpms and real hard to get it started.
Any input would be appreciated. I have talked with Jeep Corp with no
satisfaction next step is a Lawyer.
with my 2002 Liberty?
The first symptom was it started getting hard to start. It would turn over
fine, but took to long to fire up. Then the amber engine light came on and
then went off later. Took the vehicle to dealership and they said the plugs
were worn and ejectors needed cleaning. This was at 24,500 miles. Got
vehicle back, no improvement. Light came back on and stayed on, so I took
the vehicle back. Dealer put computer on and recorded a miss fire. They
reset the computer and gave me back the vehicle. I started vehicle up and
still it was hard to start. I drove vehicle off the lot and brought it
right back to them. They kept the vehicle for 1 1/2 weeks and replaced the
intake manifold for a vacuum leak. Light came back on with less then 100
miles. Then they replaced the head and things got worse. It now has a real
noticeable miss at idle fine over 1000 rpms and real hard to get it started.
Any input would be appreciated. I have talked with Jeep Corp with no
satisfaction next step is a Lawyer.
12-21-2003, 10:08 PM
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Re: Jeep Liberty
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Ritten Thomas wrote:
>
> I was wondering if anyone else has experienced the same problem I am having
> with my 2002 Liberty?
> The first symptom was it started getting hard to start. It would turn over
> fine, but took to long to fire up. Then the amber engine light came on and
> then went off later. Took the vehicle to dealership and they said the plugs
> were worn and ejectors needed cleaning. This was at 24,500 miles. Got
> vehicle back, no improvement. Light came back on and stayed on, so I took
> the vehicle back. Dealer put computer on and recorded a miss fire. They
> reset the computer and gave me back the vehicle. I started vehicle up and
> still it was hard to start. I drove vehicle off the lot and brought it
> right back to them. They kept the vehicle for 1 1/2 weeks and replaced the
> intake manifold for a vacuum leak. Light came back on with less then 100
> miles. Then they replaced the head and things got worse. It now has a real
> noticeable miss at idle fine over 1000 rpms and real hard to get it started.
> Any input would be appreciated. I have talked with Jeep Corp with no
> satisfaction next step is a Lawyer.
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Ritten Thomas wrote:
>
> I was wondering if anyone else has experienced the same problem I am having
> with my 2002 Liberty?
> The first symptom was it started getting hard to start. It would turn over
> fine, but took to long to fire up. Then the amber engine light came on and
> then went off later. Took the vehicle to dealership and they said the plugs
> were worn and ejectors needed cleaning. This was at 24,500 miles. Got
> vehicle back, no improvement. Light came back on and stayed on, so I took
> the vehicle back. Dealer put computer on and recorded a miss fire. They
> reset the computer and gave me back the vehicle. I started vehicle up and
> still it was hard to start. I drove vehicle off the lot and brought it
> right back to them. They kept the vehicle for 1 1/2 weeks and replaced the
> intake manifold for a vacuum leak. Light came back on with less then 100
> miles. Then they replaced the head and things got worse. It now has a real
> noticeable miss at idle fine over 1000 rpms and real hard to get it started.
> Any input would be appreciated. I have talked with Jeep Corp with no
> satisfaction next step is a Lawyer.
12-21-2003, 10:08 PM
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Re: Jeep Liberty
http://autopedia.com/html/LemonLaw/NC_lemonlaw.html
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Ritten Thomas wrote:
>
> I was wondering if anyone else has experienced the same problem I am having
> with my 2002 Liberty?
> The first symptom was it started getting hard to start. It would turn over
> fine, but took to long to fire up. Then the amber engine light came on and
> then went off later. Took the vehicle to dealership and they said the plugs
> were worn and ejectors needed cleaning. This was at 24,500 miles. Got
> vehicle back, no improvement. Light came back on and stayed on, so I took
> the vehicle back. Dealer put computer on and recorded a miss fire. They
> reset the computer and gave me back the vehicle. I started vehicle up and
> still it was hard to start. I drove vehicle off the lot and brought it
> right back to them. They kept the vehicle for 1 1/2 weeks and replaced the
> intake manifold for a vacuum leak. Light came back on with less then 100
> miles. Then they replaced the head and things got worse. It now has a real
> noticeable miss at idle fine over 1000 rpms and real hard to get it started.
> Any input would be appreciated. I have talked with Jeep Corp with no
> satisfaction next step is a Lawyer.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
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Ritten Thomas wrote:
>
> I was wondering if anyone else has experienced the same problem I am having
> with my 2002 Liberty?
> The first symptom was it started getting hard to start. It would turn over
> fine, but took to long to fire up. Then the amber engine light came on and
> then went off later. Took the vehicle to dealership and they said the plugs
> were worn and ejectors needed cleaning. This was at 24,500 miles. Got
> vehicle back, no improvement. Light came back on and stayed on, so I took
> the vehicle back. Dealer put computer on and recorded a miss fire. They
> reset the computer and gave me back the vehicle. I started vehicle up and
> still it was hard to start. I drove vehicle off the lot and brought it
> right back to them. They kept the vehicle for 1 1/2 weeks and replaced the
> intake manifold for a vacuum leak. Light came back on with less then 100
> miles. Then they replaced the head and things got worse. It now has a real
> noticeable miss at idle fine over 1000 rpms and real hard to get it started.
> Any input would be appreciated. I have talked with Jeep Corp with no
> satisfaction next step is a Lawyer.
12-21-2003, 10:08 PM
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Re: Jeep Liberty
http://autopedia.com/html/LemonLaw/NC_lemonlaw.html
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Ritten Thomas wrote:
>
> I was wondering if anyone else has experienced the same problem I am having
> with my 2002 Liberty?
> The first symptom was it started getting hard to start. It would turn over
> fine, but took to long to fire up. Then the amber engine light came on and
> then went off later. Took the vehicle to dealership and they said the plugs
> were worn and ejectors needed cleaning. This was at 24,500 miles. Got
> vehicle back, no improvement. Light came back on and stayed on, so I took
> the vehicle back. Dealer put computer on and recorded a miss fire. They
> reset the computer and gave me back the vehicle. I started vehicle up and
> still it was hard to start. I drove vehicle off the lot and brought it
> right back to them. They kept the vehicle for 1 1/2 weeks and replaced the
> intake manifold for a vacuum leak. Light came back on with less then 100
> miles. Then they replaced the head and things got worse. It now has a real
> noticeable miss at idle fine over 1000 rpms and real hard to get it started.
> Any input would be appreciated. I have talked with Jeep Corp with no
> satisfaction next step is a Lawyer.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
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Ritten Thomas wrote:
>
> I was wondering if anyone else has experienced the same problem I am having
> with my 2002 Liberty?
> The first symptom was it started getting hard to start. It would turn over
> fine, but took to long to fire up. Then the amber engine light came on and
> then went off later. Took the vehicle to dealership and they said the plugs
> were worn and ejectors needed cleaning. This was at 24,500 miles. Got
> vehicle back, no improvement. Light came back on and stayed on, so I took
> the vehicle back. Dealer put computer on and recorded a miss fire. They
> reset the computer and gave me back the vehicle. I started vehicle up and
> still it was hard to start. I drove vehicle off the lot and brought it
> right back to them. They kept the vehicle for 1 1/2 weeks and replaced the
> intake manifold for a vacuum leak. Light came back on with less then 100
> miles. Then they replaced the head and things got worse. It now has a real
> noticeable miss at idle fine over 1000 rpms and real hard to get it started.
> Any input would be appreciated. I have talked with Jeep Corp with no
> satisfaction next step is a Lawyer.
12-22-2003, 07:06 AM
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Re: Jeep Liberty
Use Bill's link........don't waste money on a lawyer.....I went thru the
whole mess without a lawyer.....just have your facts straight and in
writing, all laid out in a portfolio you can present each level of
contention.....you will be amazed how unprepared Jeep will be to contest
your presentation of the case....good luck.....
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>
> Ritten Thomas wrote:
> >
> > I was wondering if anyone else has experienced the same problem I am
having
> > with my 2002 Liberty?
> > The first symptom was it started getting hard to start. It would turn
over
> > fine, but took to long to fire up. Then the amber engine light came on
and
> > then went off later. Took the vehicle to dealership and they said the
plugs
> > were worn and ejectors needed cleaning. This was at 24,500 miles. Got
> > vehicle back, no improvement. Light came back on and stayed on, so I
took
> > the vehicle back. Dealer put computer on and recorded a miss fire.
They
> > reset the computer and gave me back the vehicle. I started vehicle up
and
> > still it was hard to start. I drove vehicle off the lot and brought it
> > right back to them. They kept the vehicle for 1 1/2 weeks and replaced
the
> > intake manifold for a vacuum leak. Light came back on with less then
100
> > miles. Then they replaced the head and things got worse. It now has a
real
> > noticeable miss at idle fine over 1000 rpms and real hard to get it
started.
> > Any input would be appreciated. I have talked with Jeep Corp with no
> > satisfaction next step is a Lawyer.
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contention.....you will be amazed how unprepared Jeep will be to contest
your presentation of the case....good luck.....
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>
> Ritten Thomas wrote:
> >
> > I was wondering if anyone else has experienced the same problem I am
having
> > with my 2002 Liberty?
> > The first symptom was it started getting hard to start. It would turn
over
> > fine, but took to long to fire up. Then the amber engine light came on
and
> > then went off later. Took the vehicle to dealership and they said the
plugs
> > were worn and ejectors needed cleaning. This was at 24,500 miles. Got
> > vehicle back, no improvement. Light came back on and stayed on, so I
took
> > the vehicle back. Dealer put computer on and recorded a miss fire.
They
> > reset the computer and gave me back the vehicle. I started vehicle up
and
> > still it was hard to start. I drove vehicle off the lot and brought it
> > right back to them. They kept the vehicle for 1 1/2 weeks and replaced
the
> > intake manifold for a vacuum leak. Light came back on with less then
100
> > miles. Then they replaced the head and things got worse. It now has a
real
> > noticeable miss at idle fine over 1000 rpms and real hard to get it
started.
> > Any input would be appreciated. I have talked with Jeep Corp with no
> > satisfaction next step is a Lawyer.
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12-22-2003, 07:06 AM
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Re: Jeep Liberty
Use Bill's link........don't waste money on a lawyer.....I went thru the
whole mess without a lawyer.....just have your facts straight and in
writing, all laid out in a portfolio you can present each level of
contention.....you will be amazed how unprepared Jeep will be to contest
your presentation of the case....good luck.....
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:3FE66032.DF690479@***.net...
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>
> Ritten Thomas wrote:
> >
> > I was wondering if anyone else has experienced the same problem I am
having
> > with my 2002 Liberty?
> > The first symptom was it started getting hard to start. It would turn
over
> > fine, but took to long to fire up. Then the amber engine light came on
and
> > then went off later. Took the vehicle to dealership and they said the
plugs
> > were worn and ejectors needed cleaning. This was at 24,500 miles. Got
> > vehicle back, no improvement. Light came back on and stayed on, so I
took
> > the vehicle back. Dealer put computer on and recorded a miss fire.
They
> > reset the computer and gave me back the vehicle. I started vehicle up
and
> > still it was hard to start. I drove vehicle off the lot and brought it
> > right back to them. They kept the vehicle for 1 1/2 weeks and replaced
the
> > intake manifold for a vacuum leak. Light came back on with less then
100
> > miles. Then they replaced the head and things got worse. It now has a
real
> > noticeable miss at idle fine over 1000 rpms and real hard to get it
started.
> > Any input would be appreciated. I have talked with Jeep Corp with no
> > satisfaction next step is a Lawyer.
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writing, all laid out in a portfolio you can present each level of
contention.....you will be amazed how unprepared Jeep will be to contest
your presentation of the case....good luck.....
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>
> Ritten Thomas wrote:
> >
> > I was wondering if anyone else has experienced the same problem I am
having
> > with my 2002 Liberty?
> > The first symptom was it started getting hard to start. It would turn
over
> > fine, but took to long to fire up. Then the amber engine light came on
and
> > then went off later. Took the vehicle to dealership and they said the
plugs
> > were worn and ejectors needed cleaning. This was at 24,500 miles. Got
> > vehicle back, no improvement. Light came back on and stayed on, so I
took
> > the vehicle back. Dealer put computer on and recorded a miss fire.
They
> > reset the computer and gave me back the vehicle. I started vehicle up
and
> > still it was hard to start. I drove vehicle off the lot and brought it
> > right back to them. They kept the vehicle for 1 1/2 weeks and replaced
the
> > intake manifold for a vacuum leak. Light came back on with less then
100
> > miles. Then they replaced the head and things got worse. It now has a
real
> > noticeable miss at idle fine over 1000 rpms and real hard to get it
started.
> > Any input would be appreciated. I have talked with Jeep Corp with no
> > satisfaction next step is a Lawyer.
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12-22-2003, 07:06 AM
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Re: Jeep Liberty
Use Bill's link........don't waste money on a lawyer.....I went thru the
whole mess without a lawyer.....just have your facts straight and in
writing, all laid out in a portfolio you can present each level of
contention.....you will be amazed how unprepared Jeep will be to contest
your presentation of the case....good luck.....
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:3FE66032.DF690479@***.net...
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>
> Ritten Thomas wrote:
> >
> > I was wondering if anyone else has experienced the same problem I am
having
> > with my 2002 Liberty?
> > The first symptom was it started getting hard to start. It would turn
over
> > fine, but took to long to fire up. Then the amber engine light came on
and
> > then went off later. Took the vehicle to dealership and they said the
plugs
> > were worn and ejectors needed cleaning. This was at 24,500 miles. Got
> > vehicle back, no improvement. Light came back on and stayed on, so I
took
> > the vehicle back. Dealer put computer on and recorded a miss fire.
They
> > reset the computer and gave me back the vehicle. I started vehicle up
and
> > still it was hard to start. I drove vehicle off the lot and brought it
> > right back to them. They kept the vehicle for 1 1/2 weeks and replaced
the
> > intake manifold for a vacuum leak. Light came back on with less then
100
> > miles. Then they replaced the head and things got worse. It now has a
real
> > noticeable miss at idle fine over 1000 rpms and real hard to get it
started.
> > Any input would be appreciated. I have talked with Jeep Corp with no
> > satisfaction next step is a Lawyer.
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contention.....you will be amazed how unprepared Jeep will be to contest
your presentation of the case....good luck.....
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
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>
> Ritten Thomas wrote:
> >
> > I was wondering if anyone else has experienced the same problem I am
having
> > with my 2002 Liberty?
> > The first symptom was it started getting hard to start. It would turn
over
> > fine, but took to long to fire up. Then the amber engine light came on
and
> > then went off later. Took the vehicle to dealership and they said the
plugs
> > were worn and ejectors needed cleaning. This was at 24,500 miles. Got
> > vehicle back, no improvement. Light came back on and stayed on, so I
took
> > the vehicle back. Dealer put computer on and recorded a miss fire.
They
> > reset the computer and gave me back the vehicle. I started vehicle up
and
> > still it was hard to start. I drove vehicle off the lot and brought it
> > right back to them. They kept the vehicle for 1 1/2 weeks and replaced
the
> > intake manifold for a vacuum leak. Light came back on with less then
100
> > miles. Then they replaced the head and things got worse. It now has a
real
> > noticeable miss at idle fine over 1000 rpms and real hard to get it
started.
> > Any input would be appreciated. I have talked with Jeep Corp with no
> > satisfaction next step is a Lawyer.
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12-29-2003, 10:11 PM
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Re: Jeep Liberty
PCM
Power control module. Presuming they have performed a fuel pressure drop
test, and have ruled out any injector problems. Long crank periods indicate
that the fuel pressure is low and that the engine cranks a long time before
the fuel pressure in the fuel rail build up enough to spray fuel through the
injector. Injectors can go bad and can cause an intermittent misfire. I have
seen a Liberty similarly to yours where we could not get rid of an "PO300
multiple misfire code" and a flashing Check engine light. We tried every
thing, and finally replaced the PCM under warranty and that fixed the
problem.
You have only one Jeep Dealer in your town?
Hope this helps.
Mike
"Mindy" <savagebrave@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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> Use Bill's link........don't waste money on a lawyer.....I went thru the
> whole mess without a lawyer.....just have your facts straight and in
> writing, all laid out in a portfolio you can present each level of
> contention.....you will be amazed how unprepared Jeep will be to contest
> your presentation of the case....good luck.....
>
>
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:3FE66032.DF690479@***.net...
> > http://autopedia.com/html/LemonLaw/NC_lemonlaw.html
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > Ritten Thomas wrote:
> > >
> > > I was wondering if anyone else has experienced the same problem I am
> having
> > > with my 2002 Liberty?
> > > The first symptom was it started getting hard to start. It would turn
> over
> > > fine, but took to long to fire up. Then the amber engine light came
on
> and
> > > then went off later. Took the vehicle to dealership and they said the
> plugs
> > > were worn and ejectors needed cleaning. This was at 24,500 miles.
Got
> > > vehicle back, no improvement. Light came back on and stayed on, so I
> took
> > > the vehicle back. Dealer put computer on and recorded a miss fire.
> They
> > > reset the computer and gave me back the vehicle. I started vehicle up
> and
> > > still it was hard to start. I drove vehicle off the lot and brought
it
> > > right back to them. They kept the vehicle for 1 1/2 weeks and
replaced
> the
> > > intake manifold for a vacuum leak. Light came back on with less then
> 100
> > > miles. Then they replaced the head and things got worse. It now has
a
> real
> > > noticeable miss at idle fine over 1000 rpms and real hard to get it
> started.
> > > Any input would be appreciated. I have talked with Jeep Corp with no
> > > satisfaction next step is a Lawyer.
>
>
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Power control module. Presuming they have performed a fuel pressure drop
test, and have ruled out any injector problems. Long crank periods indicate
that the fuel pressure is low and that the engine cranks a long time before
the fuel pressure in the fuel rail build up enough to spray fuel through the
injector. Injectors can go bad and can cause an intermittent misfire. I have
seen a Liberty similarly to yours where we could not get rid of an "PO300
multiple misfire code" and a flashing Check engine light. We tried every
thing, and finally replaced the PCM under warranty and that fixed the
problem.
You have only one Jeep Dealer in your town?
Hope this helps.
Mike
"Mindy" <savagebrave@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:67BFb.226810$Ec1.8061045@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> Use Bill's link........don't waste money on a lawyer.....I went thru the
> whole mess without a lawyer.....just have your facts straight and in
> writing, all laid out in a portfolio you can present each level of
> contention.....you will be amazed how unprepared Jeep will be to contest
> your presentation of the case....good luck.....
>
>
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:3FE66032.DF690479@***.net...
> > http://autopedia.com/html/LemonLaw/NC_lemonlaw.html
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > Ritten Thomas wrote:
> > >
> > > I was wondering if anyone else has experienced the same problem I am
> having
> > > with my 2002 Liberty?
> > > The first symptom was it started getting hard to start. It would turn
> over
> > > fine, but took to long to fire up. Then the amber engine light came
on
> and
> > > then went off later. Took the vehicle to dealership and they said the
> plugs
> > > were worn and ejectors needed cleaning. This was at 24,500 miles.
Got
> > > vehicle back, no improvement. Light came back on and stayed on, so I
> took
> > > the vehicle back. Dealer put computer on and recorded a miss fire.
> They
> > > reset the computer and gave me back the vehicle. I started vehicle up
> and
> > > still it was hard to start. I drove vehicle off the lot and brought
it
> > > right back to them. They kept the vehicle for 1 1/2 weeks and
replaced
> the
> > > intake manifold for a vacuum leak. Light came back on with less then
> 100
> > > miles. Then they replaced the head and things got worse. It now has
a
> real
> > > noticeable miss at idle fine over 1000 rpms and real hard to get it
> started.
> > > Any input would be appreciated. I have talked with Jeep Corp with no
> > > satisfaction next step is a Lawyer.
>
>
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12-29-2003, 10:11 PM
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Re: Jeep Liberty
PCM
Power control module. Presuming they have performed a fuel pressure drop
test, and have ruled out any injector problems. Long crank periods indicate
that the fuel pressure is low and that the engine cranks a long time before
the fuel pressure in the fuel rail build up enough to spray fuel through the
injector. Injectors can go bad and can cause an intermittent misfire. I have
seen a Liberty similarly to yours where we could not get rid of an "PO300
multiple misfire code" and a flashing Check engine light. We tried every
thing, and finally replaced the PCM under warranty and that fixed the
problem.
You have only one Jeep Dealer in your town?
Hope this helps.
Mike
"Mindy" <savagebrave@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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> Use Bill's link........don't waste money on a lawyer.....I went thru the
> whole mess without a lawyer.....just have your facts straight and in
> writing, all laid out in a portfolio you can present each level of
> contention.....you will be amazed how unprepared Jeep will be to contest
> your presentation of the case....good luck.....
>
>
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
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> > http://autopedia.com/html/LemonLaw/NC_lemonlaw.html
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> >
> > Ritten Thomas wrote:
> > >
> > > I was wondering if anyone else has experienced the same problem I am
> having
> > > with my 2002 Liberty?
> > > The first symptom was it started getting hard to start. It would turn
> over
> > > fine, but took to long to fire up. Then the amber engine light came
on
> and
> > > then went off later. Took the vehicle to dealership and they said the
> plugs
> > > were worn and ejectors needed cleaning. This was at 24,500 miles.
Got
> > > vehicle back, no improvement. Light came back on and stayed on, so I
> took
> > > the vehicle back. Dealer put computer on and recorded a miss fire.
> They
> > > reset the computer and gave me back the vehicle. I started vehicle up
> and
> > > still it was hard to start. I drove vehicle off the lot and brought
it
> > > right back to them. They kept the vehicle for 1 1/2 weeks and
replaced
> the
> > > intake manifold for a vacuum leak. Light came back on with less then
> 100
> > > miles. Then they replaced the head and things got worse. It now has
a
> real
> > > noticeable miss at idle fine over 1000 rpms and real hard to get it
> started.
> > > Any input would be appreciated. I have talked with Jeep Corp with no
> > > satisfaction next step is a Lawyer.
>
>
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Power control module. Presuming they have performed a fuel pressure drop
test, and have ruled out any injector problems. Long crank periods indicate
that the fuel pressure is low and that the engine cranks a long time before
the fuel pressure in the fuel rail build up enough to spray fuel through the
injector. Injectors can go bad and can cause an intermittent misfire. I have
seen a Liberty similarly to yours where we could not get rid of an "PO300
multiple misfire code" and a flashing Check engine light. We tried every
thing, and finally replaced the PCM under warranty and that fixed the
problem.
You have only one Jeep Dealer in your town?
Hope this helps.
Mike
"Mindy" <savagebrave@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:67BFb.226810$Ec1.8061045@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> Use Bill's link........don't waste money on a lawyer.....I went thru the
> whole mess without a lawyer.....just have your facts straight and in
> writing, all laid out in a portfolio you can present each level of
> contention.....you will be amazed how unprepared Jeep will be to contest
> your presentation of the case....good luck.....
>
>
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:3FE66032.DF690479@***.net...
> > http://autopedia.com/html/LemonLaw/NC_lemonlaw.html
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > Ritten Thomas wrote:
> > >
> > > I was wondering if anyone else has experienced the same problem I am
> having
> > > with my 2002 Liberty?
> > > The first symptom was it started getting hard to start. It would turn
> over
> > > fine, but took to long to fire up. Then the amber engine light came
on
> and
> > > then went off later. Took the vehicle to dealership and they said the
> plugs
> > > were worn and ejectors needed cleaning. This was at 24,500 miles.
Got
> > > vehicle back, no improvement. Light came back on and stayed on, so I
> took
> > > the vehicle back. Dealer put computer on and recorded a miss fire.
> They
> > > reset the computer and gave me back the vehicle. I started vehicle up
> and
> > > still it was hard to start. I drove vehicle off the lot and brought
it
> > > right back to them. They kept the vehicle for 1 1/2 weeks and
replaced
> the
> > > intake manifold for a vacuum leak. Light came back on with less then
> 100
> > > miles. Then they replaced the head and things got worse. It now has
a
> real
> > > noticeable miss at idle fine over 1000 rpms and real hard to get it
> started.
> > > Any input would be appreciated. I have talked with Jeep Corp with no
> > > satisfaction next step is a Lawyer.
>
>
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12-29-2003, 10:11 PM
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Re: Jeep Liberty
PCM
Power control module. Presuming they have performed a fuel pressure drop
test, and have ruled out any injector problems. Long crank periods indicate
that the fuel pressure is low and that the engine cranks a long time before
the fuel pressure in the fuel rail build up enough to spray fuel through the
injector. Injectors can go bad and can cause an intermittent misfire. I have
seen a Liberty similarly to yours where we could not get rid of an "PO300
multiple misfire code" and a flashing Check engine light. We tried every
thing, and finally replaced the PCM under warranty and that fixed the
problem.
You have only one Jeep Dealer in your town?
Hope this helps.
Mike
"Mindy" <savagebrave@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:67BFb.226810$Ec1.8061045@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> Use Bill's link........don't waste money on a lawyer.....I went thru the
> whole mess without a lawyer.....just have your facts straight and in
> writing, all laid out in a portfolio you can present each level of
> contention.....you will be amazed how unprepared Jeep will be to contest
> your presentation of the case....good luck.....
>
>
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:3FE66032.DF690479@***.net...
> > http://autopedia.com/html/LemonLaw/NC_lemonlaw.html
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > Ritten Thomas wrote:
> > >
> > > I was wondering if anyone else has experienced the same problem I am
> having
> > > with my 2002 Liberty?
> > > The first symptom was it started getting hard to start. It would turn
> over
> > > fine, but took to long to fire up. Then the amber engine light came
on
> and
> > > then went off later. Took the vehicle to dealership and they said the
> plugs
> > > were worn and ejectors needed cleaning. This was at 24,500 miles.
Got
> > > vehicle back, no improvement. Light came back on and stayed on, so I
> took
> > > the vehicle back. Dealer put computer on and recorded a miss fire.
> They
> > > reset the computer and gave me back the vehicle. I started vehicle up
> and
> > > still it was hard to start. I drove vehicle off the lot and brought
it
> > > right back to them. They kept the vehicle for 1 1/2 weeks and
replaced
> the
> > > intake manifold for a vacuum leak. Light came back on with less then
> 100
> > > miles. Then they replaced the head and things got worse. It now has
a
> real
> > > noticeable miss at idle fine over 1000 rpms and real hard to get it
> started.
> > > Any input would be appreciated. I have talked with Jeep Corp with no
> > > satisfaction next step is a Lawyer.
>
>
> ---
> Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
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>
>
Power control module. Presuming they have performed a fuel pressure drop
test, and have ruled out any injector problems. Long crank periods indicate
that the fuel pressure is low and that the engine cranks a long time before
the fuel pressure in the fuel rail build up enough to spray fuel through the
injector. Injectors can go bad and can cause an intermittent misfire. I have
seen a Liberty similarly to yours where we could not get rid of an "PO300
multiple misfire code" and a flashing Check engine light. We tried every
thing, and finally replaced the PCM under warranty and that fixed the
problem.
You have only one Jeep Dealer in your town?
Hope this helps.
Mike
"Mindy" <savagebrave@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:67BFb.226810$Ec1.8061045@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> Use Bill's link........don't waste money on a lawyer.....I went thru the
> whole mess without a lawyer.....just have your facts straight and in
> writing, all laid out in a portfolio you can present each level of
> contention.....you will be amazed how unprepared Jeep will be to contest
> your presentation of the case....good luck.....
>
>
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:3FE66032.DF690479@***.net...
> > http://autopedia.com/html/LemonLaw/NC_lemonlaw.html
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > Ritten Thomas wrote:
> > >
> > > I was wondering if anyone else has experienced the same problem I am
> having
> > > with my 2002 Liberty?
> > > The first symptom was it started getting hard to start. It would turn
> over
> > > fine, but took to long to fire up. Then the amber engine light came
on
> and
> > > then went off later. Took the vehicle to dealership and they said the
> plugs
> > > were worn and ejectors needed cleaning. This was at 24,500 miles.
Got
> > > vehicle back, no improvement. Light came back on and stayed on, so I
> took
> > > the vehicle back. Dealer put computer on and recorded a miss fire.
> They
> > > reset the computer and gave me back the vehicle. I started vehicle up
> and
> > > still it was hard to start. I drove vehicle off the lot and brought
it
> > > right back to them. They kept the vehicle for 1 1/2 weeks and
replaced
> the
> > > intake manifold for a vacuum leak. Light came back on with less then
> 100
> > > miles. Then they replaced the head and things got worse. It now has
a
> real
> > > noticeable miss at idle fine over 1000 rpms and real hard to get it
> started.
> > > Any input would be appreciated. I have talked with Jeep Corp with no
> > > satisfaction next step is a Lawyer.
>
>
> ---
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