Re: Jeep CJ 258 Acceleration Issues. Please Help!
You think 9 degrees for full centripetal advance is too much????
The internal advance weights are full out at 1600 rpm on mine. If it pings there it need a decarbon job which is easy to do. Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's attnews wrote: > > 9 degrees sounds like too much ?? when you hear a ping, you are being given > notice of such. > "Chris Hill" <tatehill@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:1114012254.890452.93760@g14g2000cwa.googlegro ups.com... > > Thanks guys for the suggestions. > > When I purchased the CJ 04/04 it was hard to crank when it was cold and > > had some sort of miss in it that you could easily hear when it was > > idling, but driving it at highway speeds it had plenty of power and no > > hesitation when I accelerated but it did ping in 4th gear when under a > > load. I decided to give it a tune up because I wasn't sure when the > > last time it had one. I put a new dist cap, rotor, plugs, wires, fuel > > filter (return line is at top), and had the original carter rebuilt. > > The miss when it was idling or pinging didn't go away, but it still > > drove fine after it warmed up so I decided to leave it alone since it > > was my second vehicle and I only drove it on the weekends. > > > > I have since sold my primary vehicle and decided to make my jeep my > > daily driver which was about a month ago. I decided I wanted to go > > ahead and get the motor in great shape and do some mods / upgrades on > > it that I have read about since I have owned my jeep. I started w/ > > wanting to get rid of the miss and pinging I kept hearing so I went and > > did some research and decided to do an ignition upgrade to the TFI set > > up, set the timing to 9 degrees BTDC @1600rpm, changed from manifold > > (base of carb) vacuum advance to ported (side of carb), and It worked > > like a champ, and voila no more miss! I then wanted to do the Nutter > > Bypass (since I have heard nothing but good things about it) and did it > > and voila no more Pinging!! However, it was at that time that I could > > tell a faint acceleration issue when I pressed it all the way to the > > floor, so I thought well that's just this old carb and I'll go out and > > buy a new one. I decided to get one that didn't have the stepper motor > > on it from a 79 CJ (had to change base plate) put it on, and the jeep > > still idled fine, but the acceleration issue was worse I adjusted the 2 > > air mixture screws on the baseplate and got it a little better but > > still was not good at all. I put my old carb back on, adjusted air mix > > screws, and then it was a little better than the new carb but not good > > at all. I went ahead and changed the fuel filter again yesterday and > > still the same thing. I now am having to shift from 4th to 3rd to go > > uphill (I didn't before). It's like the rpms haved changed. I did hear > > it mildly backfiring when I downshifted yesterday so maybe the timing > > is off still? Do I need to retard it some more? The EGR valve has been > > plugged since I have owned the jeep, and since it ran so well before I > > started modifying then I wouldn't think that was it. It's like I've > > fixed a few problems only to discover a new one. Could I be getting too > > much spark since I'm putting out more volts from the new coil? Would > > you adjust the float level or Accelerator pump? I'm not sure still > > where to start. Also, I am using bosch platinum plugs gapped at .045 > > for the TFI setup. > > Sorry this was so long, but I wanted to make sure you knew the history. > > |
Re: Jeep CJ 258 Acceleration Issues. Please Help!
You think 9 degrees for full centripetal advance is too much????
The internal advance weights are full out at 1600 rpm on mine. If it pings there it need a decarbon job which is easy to do. Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's attnews wrote: > > 9 degrees sounds like too much ?? when you hear a ping, you are being given > notice of such. > "Chris Hill" <tatehill@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:1114012254.890452.93760@g14g2000cwa.googlegro ups.com... > > Thanks guys for the suggestions. > > When I purchased the CJ 04/04 it was hard to crank when it was cold and > > had some sort of miss in it that you could easily hear when it was > > idling, but driving it at highway speeds it had plenty of power and no > > hesitation when I accelerated but it did ping in 4th gear when under a > > load. I decided to give it a tune up because I wasn't sure when the > > last time it had one. I put a new dist cap, rotor, plugs, wires, fuel > > filter (return line is at top), and had the original carter rebuilt. > > The miss when it was idling or pinging didn't go away, but it still > > drove fine after it warmed up so I decided to leave it alone since it > > was my second vehicle and I only drove it on the weekends. > > > > I have since sold my primary vehicle and decided to make my jeep my > > daily driver which was about a month ago. I decided I wanted to go > > ahead and get the motor in great shape and do some mods / upgrades on > > it that I have read about since I have owned my jeep. I started w/ > > wanting to get rid of the miss and pinging I kept hearing so I went and > > did some research and decided to do an ignition upgrade to the TFI set > > up, set the timing to 9 degrees BTDC @1600rpm, changed from manifold > > (base of carb) vacuum advance to ported (side of carb), and It worked > > like a champ, and voila no more miss! I then wanted to do the Nutter > > Bypass (since I have heard nothing but good things about it) and did it > > and voila no more Pinging!! However, it was at that time that I could > > tell a faint acceleration issue when I pressed it all the way to the > > floor, so I thought well that's just this old carb and I'll go out and > > buy a new one. I decided to get one that didn't have the stepper motor > > on it from a 79 CJ (had to change base plate) put it on, and the jeep > > still idled fine, but the acceleration issue was worse I adjusted the 2 > > air mixture screws on the baseplate and got it a little better but > > still was not good at all. I put my old carb back on, adjusted air mix > > screws, and then it was a little better than the new carb but not good > > at all. I went ahead and changed the fuel filter again yesterday and > > still the same thing. I now am having to shift from 4th to 3rd to go > > uphill (I didn't before). It's like the rpms haved changed. I did hear > > it mildly backfiring when I downshifted yesterday so maybe the timing > > is off still? Do I need to retard it some more? The EGR valve has been > > plugged since I have owned the jeep, and since it ran so well before I > > started modifying then I wouldn't think that was it. It's like I've > > fixed a few problems only to discover a new one. Could I be getting too > > much spark since I'm putting out more volts from the new coil? Would > > you adjust the float level or Accelerator pump? I'm not sure still > > where to start. Also, I am using bosch platinum plugs gapped at .045 > > for the TFI setup. > > Sorry this was so long, but I wanted to make sure you knew the history. > > |
Re: Jeep CJ 258 Acceleration Issues. Please Help!
You think 9 degrees for full centripetal advance is too much????
The internal advance weights are full out at 1600 rpm on mine. If it pings there it need a decarbon job which is easy to do. Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's attnews wrote: > > 9 degrees sounds like too much ?? when you hear a ping, you are being given > notice of such. > "Chris Hill" <tatehill@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:1114012254.890452.93760@g14g2000cwa.googlegro ups.com... > > Thanks guys for the suggestions. > > When I purchased the CJ 04/04 it was hard to crank when it was cold and > > had some sort of miss in it that you could easily hear when it was > > idling, but driving it at highway speeds it had plenty of power and no > > hesitation when I accelerated but it did ping in 4th gear when under a > > load. I decided to give it a tune up because I wasn't sure when the > > last time it had one. I put a new dist cap, rotor, plugs, wires, fuel > > filter (return line is at top), and had the original carter rebuilt. > > The miss when it was idling or pinging didn't go away, but it still > > drove fine after it warmed up so I decided to leave it alone since it > > was my second vehicle and I only drove it on the weekends. > > > > I have since sold my primary vehicle and decided to make my jeep my > > daily driver which was about a month ago. I decided I wanted to go > > ahead and get the motor in great shape and do some mods / upgrades on > > it that I have read about since I have owned my jeep. I started w/ > > wanting to get rid of the miss and pinging I kept hearing so I went and > > did some research and decided to do an ignition upgrade to the TFI set > > up, set the timing to 9 degrees BTDC @1600rpm, changed from manifold > > (base of carb) vacuum advance to ported (side of carb), and It worked > > like a champ, and voila no more miss! I then wanted to do the Nutter > > Bypass (since I have heard nothing but good things about it) and did it > > and voila no more Pinging!! However, it was at that time that I could > > tell a faint acceleration issue when I pressed it all the way to the > > floor, so I thought well that's just this old carb and I'll go out and > > buy a new one. I decided to get one that didn't have the stepper motor > > on it from a 79 CJ (had to change base plate) put it on, and the jeep > > still idled fine, but the acceleration issue was worse I adjusted the 2 > > air mixture screws on the baseplate and got it a little better but > > still was not good at all. I put my old carb back on, adjusted air mix > > screws, and then it was a little better than the new carb but not good > > at all. I went ahead and changed the fuel filter again yesterday and > > still the same thing. I now am having to shift from 4th to 3rd to go > > uphill (I didn't before). It's like the rpms haved changed. I did hear > > it mildly backfiring when I downshifted yesterday so maybe the timing > > is off still? Do I need to retard it some more? The EGR valve has been > > plugged since I have owned the jeep, and since it ran so well before I > > started modifying then I wouldn't think that was it. It's like I've > > fixed a few problems only to discover a new one. Could I be getting too > > much spark since I'm putting out more volts from the new coil? Would > > you adjust the float level or Accelerator pump? I'm not sure still > > where to start. Also, I am using bosch platinum plugs gapped at .045 > > for the TFI setup. > > Sorry this was so long, but I wanted to make sure you knew the history. > > |
Re: Jeep CJ 258 Acceleration Issues. Please Help!
You know I never thought about that sticker being for the ford
emissions computer, and I just set it at that because I read when I setup the TFI to set it at 9 degrees and looked at the sticker and it said at 1600. So you would recommend to set it at 9 degrees BTDC with vacuum line off at idle or somewhere around this? Yes, I set mine at full advance then. Nice. Thanks again for all you help. |
Re: Jeep CJ 258 Acceleration Issues. Please Help!
You know I never thought about that sticker being for the ford
emissions computer, and I just set it at that because I read when I setup the TFI to set it at 9 degrees and looked at the sticker and it said at 1600. So you would recommend to set it at 9 degrees BTDC with vacuum line off at idle or somewhere around this? Yes, I set mine at full advance then. Nice. Thanks again for all you help. |
Re: Jeep CJ 258 Acceleration Issues. Please Help!
You know I never thought about that sticker being for the ford
emissions computer, and I just set it at that because I read when I setup the TFI to set it at 9 degrees and looked at the sticker and it said at 1600. So you would recommend to set it at 9 degrees BTDC with vacuum line off at idle or somewhere around this? Yes, I set mine at full advance then. Nice. Thanks again for all you help. |
Re: Jeep CJ 258 Acceleration Issues. Please Help!
You know I never thought about that sticker being for the ford
emissions computer, and I just set it at that because I read when I setup the TFI to set it at 9 degrees and looked at the sticker and it said at 1600. So you would recommend to set it at 9 degrees BTDC with vacuum line off at idle or somewhere around this? Yes, I set mine at full advance then. Nice. Thanks again for all you help. |
Re: Jeep CJ 258 Acceleration Issues. Please Help!
You know I never thought about that sticker being for the ford
emissions computer, and I just set it at that because I read when I setup the TFI to set it at 9 degrees and looked at the sticker and it said at 1600. So you would recommend to set it at 9 degrees BTDC with vacuum line off at idle or somewhere around this? Yes, I set mine at full advance then. Nice. Thanks again for all you help. |
Re: Jeep CJ 258 Acceleration Issues. Please Help!
You know I never thought about that sticker being for the ford
emissions computer, and I just set it at that because I read when I setup the TFI to set it at 9 degrees and looked at the sticker and it said at 1600. So you would recommend to set it at 9 degrees BTDC with vacuum line off at idle or somewhere around this? Yes, I set mine at full advance then. Nice. Thanks again for all you help. |
Re: Jeep CJ 258 Acceleration Issues. Please Help!
You know I never thought about that sticker being for the ford
emissions computer, and I just set it at that because I read when I setup the TFI to set it at 9 degrees and looked at the sticker and it said at 1600. So you would recommend to set it at 9 degrees BTDC with vacuum line off at idle or somewhere around this? Yes, I set mine at full advance then. Nice. Thanks again for all you help. |
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